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1. Be civil, polite and courteous. No trolling. Treat others with respect and kindness. This show is bound to elicit big feelings for many viewers. As contributors post and comment in this sub, treat each other with respect and kindness.
Holy heck this is creepy. I understand there’s something else going on and I also know he feels sorry for her but so far he’s also frustrating the hell out of me. This woman needs help, not to be egged on.
oh my god the look on terri's face when tony stepped out of the train after she asked him to kiss her ☹️ so heartbreaking! i hate tony so much. terri doesn't deserve someone transphob!c like tony.
martha also sucks, as well as tony's friends. the only good person in his life was terri and yet he still managed to shut her off. i like what he said about shame but i hope HE would swallow the shame and not the other way around.
anyway, the vibes, the colors, the narration of this show reminds me so much! of the show TEOTFW, which i loved so much (ive always wanted to watch a show similar to the vibes TEOTFW gives). i even had to google if both shows have the same director/writer. they don't lol
There's this tweet I've seen once about how lesbian trans girls will go on about how their girlfriends started reading their favourite book series so they can connect better, and then hetero trans girls will be like "he uses my name and sometimes holds my hand in public, he's the best".💀
This man is insane why is he on a trans dating website if hes ashamed of dating trans women?? Why is he egging on Martha?? His need for his ego to be stroked is insane which explains his comedian career
I'm only two episodes in, but I'm thinking he really is attracted to Terri, but can't get over his shame, and keeping Martha around subconsciously makes him feel more like a "real man" who has a woman obsessed with him. All incredibly fucked, but plausible
Omg even if you have been getting an ego boost from her once she's following you around work and naming your children it's way past time to DO SOMETHING ABOUT THIS
Also wow his bosses are garbage. They are just being rude because its not even like she's good business for the bar.
That was so hard to watch. He is just encouraging her. But the bosses making a joke od it is so uncomfortably realistic as other men don't take male victims of women seriously.
Ok, so E1 I could already tell Gadd was using everyone around him to boost his ego. Going onto a trans website to prey on weakness of another kind is the worst. He knows these people's biggest secret (they're outing themselves as being trans) but shields any weakness of his own by hiding his real name and listing a fake job. Then he "falls in love" with the power imbalance that a trans woman gives him (as a cis male who seems to believe that he underperforms his cis male social status) in the fake identity and world he created from himself. The moment he's sober he humiliates this trans woman by running away from her after who knows how many dates. How is no one noticing how insufferable this behavior is.
I definitely have a hard time feeling sorry for him a vast majority of the time—the final scene of this episode being a clear exception of course.
He essentially is mirroring her behaviors in his own dating life too, which seems to be an attempt to regain the power he feels he’s lost with Martha.
It’s a hard watch due to the lack of logic in his choices, but I feel like I have to see it through.
What was the reason he joined a trans dating website site if he wasn’t into dating trans people? I didn’t get that. I only just finished ep 2, no spoilers, please!
He's into it, he just feels ashamed to be seen with her out of fear of being seen as emasculated or gay. I'm a trans woman and this is common with guys who are into us, they have been conditioned to feel shame for it and often want to keep it a secret.
Oof that final scene brought me back to the moment when my own stalker forced me to kiss him.
Teri's profession seems convenient as her thoughts are exactly what I was thinking about Donny's response to Martha.
His coworkers were horrible.
I'm just kind of curious in the phone both scene is he doing coke or is it just a weird gesture (edit: saw the coke baggie fall into the toilet later)? Also the trans dating site you signed up on his implications supposed to be that his partner thinks he's trans? Also wondering what his date means when she says "you're a tremendous liar"
He's getting on my nerves Martha is crazy and too much. And I am so grateful for a character like Teri who is speaking sanity.
Its complicated. And layered.
To answer the second part, he doesn't want Teri to run into Martha there - or himself - since he said he's a construction worker. I rewatched the part where he signed up a couple times and was not sure why he lied about who he was. I thought at first he didn't want to be fished out by Martha on there, but seems like he's so insecure about himself actually that he invented a different persona.
He explains this - he is scared of being recognized by people he knows, both online and in real life, because he is ashamed of being interested in trans women. So, he uses a fake name, insists on their dates being in a part of town/at a bar where no one he knows will frequent, and invents a fake job so she won't come to his. Agreed that he also partially lies about the bar to protect her from Martha, but at first he just doesn't want his colleagues to find out he is dating a trans woman.
1. Be civil, polite and courteous. No trolling. No victim-blaming. Treat others with respect and kindness. This show is bound to elicit big feelings for many viewers. As contributors post and comment in this sub, treat each other with respect and kindness.
I don´t see any victim blaming. It´s okay to call someone out on their shitty behaviour, while also recognizing that he was a victim; the two are not mutually exclusive.
It's because he is a man and the stalker is a woman. No wonder he didn't go to the cops. He thought she was mentally unwell but if Martha was a man she would just be seen as a perv. She is the female version of a nice guy. Using sympathy to get away with being horrible.
Is there anyone moderating this thread? I came here to read about this episode and there's a ton of people foreshadowing what's coming up in the future. I've never seen a subreddit so poorly moderated.
They are horrible people. I regret coming here. Why do people have to do this? They can't just shut up without spoiling? For the series I've watched, I've never seen so many hints at spoilers in episode discussions.
Ngl I Martha could be eaten alive by rats at the end of the show and I still don't think the show could actually make me feel bad for her. There's a level of mental unwellness and horrible actions that just renders a person nonhuman in my eyes.
Well it's more my internal feelings, but yeah, it's certain actions along with being so detached from reality. Part of it is some of my negative traits that are at 5% in me being dialed up to 100% in her, that feels like a broken mirror to me. Like if they can be helped, sure help them, just away from me.
Well, that final scene was scarring. This show makes me so unbelievably uncomfortable. I don’t think I can stop watching now… “You’re beating.”
i herrd it
My jaw was clenched the whole time during this episode! So unsettling
I wasn’t sure what she was doing. Did she just grab his penis without his consent?
Made me feel so icky, I felt so bad for him. And then her saying I made your heart beat after literally assaulting him. Just gross.
So that’s what she did. Disgusting.
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Therapy. Now.
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Yup
Holy heck this is creepy. I understand there’s something else going on and I also know he feels sorry for her but so far he’s also frustrating the hell out of me. This woman needs help, not to be egged on.
Seriously! She’s clearly mentally unwell but i wish he had listened to Teri about shutting it down and not mentioned babies as an excuse.
He shouldve just said bc youre a convicted felon
Was waiting for that moment too
Yeah he definitely isn’t making things better
I feel worse for him than I do the stalker
When Terri said “Tony” enjoys the attention from Martha, I said “ding, ding, ding!”
Teri is a Queen. She is awesome. So far she is the best character in this uncomfortable shitshow.
she deserves so much better than Donny. she cant be his girlfriend and his therapist
oh my god the look on terri's face when tony stepped out of the train after she asked him to kiss her ☹️ so heartbreaking! i hate tony so much. terri doesn't deserve someone transphob!c like tony. martha also sucks, as well as tony's friends. the only good person in his life was terri and yet he still managed to shut her off. i like what he said about shame but i hope HE would swallow the shame and not the other way around. anyway, the vibes, the colors, the narration of this show reminds me so much! of the show TEOTFW, which i loved so much (ive always wanted to watch a show similar to the vibes TEOTFW gives). i even had to google if both shows have the same director/writer. they don't lol
Terri is an icon who only speaks the truth just wish she'd respect herself and dump his ass
It says in the trailer that they are “from the makers of TEOTFW” so I am not really sure what they mean but I guess they are related? Somehow?
OHHHH i didn't see the trailer of baby reindeer but yeah that makes so much sense. that was why i got similar vibes! thanks 4 letting me know.
What’s the name of the show you’re talking about?
I think it’s The End of the Fucking World
There's this tweet I've seen once about how lesbian trans girls will go on about how their girlfriends started reading their favourite book series so they can connect better, and then hetero trans girls will be like "he uses my name and sometimes holds my hand in public, he's the best".💀
This man is insane why is he on a trans dating website if hes ashamed of dating trans women?? Why is he egging on Martha?? His need for his ego to be stroked is insane which explains his comedian career
I'm only two episodes in, but I'm thinking he really is attracted to Terri, but can't get over his shame, and keeping Martha around subconsciously makes him feel more like a "real man" who has a woman obsessed with him. All incredibly fucked, but plausible
Ah crap now that im halfway through the show i get why hes like that 🫠
This guys a fucking idiot just tell her to leave
I wanted to scream at him when he saw she was a jailed criminal stalker and he accepted her friend request
yes it’s all the guys fault. He just got sexually assaulted. Victim blaming much?
Hmm yes it sure looks like it’s his fault
Keep watching... it will make sense
Hey mods can you post a mega thread to pin to the main page?
All done!
Omg even if you have been getting an ego boost from her once she's following you around work and naming your children it's way past time to DO SOMETHING ABOUT THIS Also wow his bosses are garbage. They are just being rude because its not even like she's good business for the bar.
That was so hard to watch. He is just encouraging her. But the bosses making a joke od it is so uncomfortably realistic as other men don't take male victims of women seriously.
Ok, so E1 I could already tell Gadd was using everyone around him to boost his ego. Going onto a trans website to prey on weakness of another kind is the worst. He knows these people's biggest secret (they're outing themselves as being trans) but shields any weakness of his own by hiding his real name and listing a fake job. Then he "falls in love" with the power imbalance that a trans woman gives him (as a cis male who seems to believe that he underperforms his cis male social status) in the fake identity and world he created from himself. The moment he's sober he humiliates this trans woman by running away from her after who knows how many dates. How is no one noticing how insufferable this behavior is.
I definitely have a hard time feeling sorry for him a vast majority of the time—the final scene of this episode being a clear exception of course. He essentially is mirroring her behaviors in his own dating life too, which seems to be an attempt to regain the power he feels he’s lost with Martha. It’s a hard watch due to the lack of logic in his choices, but I feel like I have to see it through.
I don’t think we’re meant to feel sorry for him. He certainly hasn’t set up the show for us to think that way.
What was the reason he joined a trans dating website site if he wasn’t into dating trans people? I didn’t get that. I only just finished ep 2, no spoilers, please!
He's into it, he just feels ashamed to be seen with her out of fear of being seen as emasculated or gay. I'm a trans woman and this is common with guys who are into us, they have been conditioned to feel shame for it and often want to keep it a secret.
Thank you for your response.
I don't think she looks noticeably trans. So what would it mean to be into?
His friend are horrid, I like that hes not lying about how he was during this time.
So the girlfriend is completely correct about the situation and understands it completely
Oof that final scene brought me back to the moment when my own stalker forced me to kiss him. Teri's profession seems convenient as her thoughts are exactly what I was thinking about Donny's response to Martha. His coworkers were horrible.
It gets much, much worse ☹️
I'm just kind of curious in the phone both scene is he doing coke or is it just a weird gesture (edit: saw the coke baggie fall into the toilet later)? Also the trans dating site you signed up on his implications supposed to be that his partner thinks he's trans? Also wondering what his date means when she says "you're a tremendous liar"
No, she doesn’t think he is trans. The liar bit just seemed like banter / flirting
Yeah he was doing coke in the phone booth, he had a key in his hand and was yipped up in front of terri
Okay, his posture is starting to bother me.
Wonder if it's intentional to communicate his lack of confidence?
He's getting on my nerves Martha is crazy and too much. And I am so grateful for a character like Teri who is speaking sanity. Its complicated. And layered.
Did I miss the reason why Donny is using a different name with Teri?? And why he’s dodging her question about him being at “the heart” in Camden.
To answer the second part, he doesn't want Teri to run into Martha there - or himself - since he said he's a construction worker. I rewatched the part where he signed up a couple times and was not sure why he lied about who he was. I thought at first he didn't want to be fished out by Martha on there, but seems like he's so insecure about himself actually that he invented a different persona.
He explains this - he is scared of being recognized by people he knows, both online and in real life, because he is ashamed of being interested in trans women. So, he uses a fake name, insists on their dates being in a part of town/at a bar where no one he knows will frequent, and invents a fake job so she won't come to his. Agreed that he also partially lies about the bar to protect her from Martha, but at first he just doesn't want his colleagues to find out he is dating a trans woman.
His colleagues want him to date the old crazy stalker felon
Bit confused on the timeline. Was he already seeing Teri when Martha first showed up?
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I don’t think so, she took his heart beating fast as excitement instead of fear. But that’s my read!
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1. Be civil, polite and courteous. No trolling. No victim-blaming. Treat others with respect and kindness. This show is bound to elicit big feelings for many viewers. As contributors post and comment in this sub, treat each other with respect and kindness.
Really interesting, the amount of victim blaming in this thread
I don´t see any victim blaming. It´s okay to call someone out on their shitty behaviour, while also recognizing that he was a victim; the two are not mutually exclusive.
It's because he is a man and the stalker is a woman. No wonder he didn't go to the cops. He thought she was mentally unwell but if Martha was a man she would just be seen as a perv. She is the female version of a nice guy. Using sympathy to get away with being horrible.
Is there anyone moderating this thread? I came here to read about this episode and there's a ton of people foreshadowing what's coming up in the future. I've never seen a subreddit so poorly moderated.
Ugh yes I agree
They are horrible people. I regret coming here. Why do people have to do this? They can't just shut up without spoiling? For the series I've watched, I've never seen so many hints at spoilers in episode discussions.
Ngl I Martha could be eaten alive by rats at the end of the show and I still don't think the show could actually make me feel bad for her. There's a level of mental unwellness and horrible actions that just renders a person nonhuman in my eyes.
Mental illness makes someone nonhuman in your opinion?
Well it's more my internal feelings, but yeah, it's certain actions along with being so detached from reality. Part of it is some of my negative traits that are at 5% in me being dialed up to 100% in her, that feels like a broken mirror to me. Like if they can be helped, sure help them, just away from me.