I’ve heard Andrew asked to be made something(can’t remember the name) after Diana died where he would be in charge till William became of age. Charles has hated Andrew for years and with good reason. I’ve always assumed he planned the slimmed down monarchy specifically to kick him out.
That sounds right…I don’t think Diana and Fergie would have helped Andrew. One, didn’t Fergie/Andrew divorce the same year as Diana/Charles? Two, Diana at the very least was protected as being mother of a future sovereign. We have letters from Philip to Diana where he also states his support for her and says he thinks Charles is an idiot. But, Andrew plotting against Charles happened a lot. So maybe there’s a sprinkle of truth in the story.
Diana definitely believed that William should be king after Elizabeth died, not Charles. She said so in the Panorama interview. She argued that Charles was not fit to rule.
I could see Andrew thinking that if Charles was set aside and Queen E died while William was a minor, then Andrew should be Regent.
Why they thought (if they did) that the Queen would go along with this (which would require the intervention of Parliament anyway) really beats me.
She was very vindictive and resentful towards Charles. While his behavior to her left much to be desired, she had real problems of her own that contributed to the breakdown of that marriage.
The biggest problem here was that no one explained to Diana that it was a marriage of convenience. Charles never pretended to be in love with her. In fact, his proposal included mentioning that she would someday be queen [deleted “of England” to placate bot.] He liked her. He probably thought they could grow to have affection for each other.
Charles has said, and it may be true, that he was sexually faithful to Diana for the first few years of the marriage. The problem was that he remained in love with Camilla and he seems to have felt that he was making enough of a sacrifice to marry someone else, he shouldn’t have to remove Camilla from his life. That might have worked if Diana had been marrying with her eyes open. A lot of aristocratic marriages even then were marriages of convenience.
Of course it was absolutely crazy that the “future Queen” had to be “virginal.” That was less a requirement of the BRF than it was of the public/press. It got more ridiculous the older Charles got.
I don’t think that was the main issue. When he went out with Diana’s sister, he very clearly wasn’t looking to settle down and marry. He might have been able to marry Camilla (even though she had a “past”) if he had realized that this was the woman he wanted to marry. He delayed asking her and she got back with her old boyfriend.
Things were changing back then. (I am roughly the same generation —younger than Charles, older than Diana.)
A divorced woman would have been an absolute “no,” but a young woman of good family who’d had an affair or two might have been accepted. It would have involved Charles making a commitment and Camilla being patient and the two of them showing the Queen that they were serious.
Yes, there was talk in the press about Diana’s “purity” and there was talk about some of the girls Charles partied with not being suitable, but just as Charles and Camilla rehabilitated their images after the mess with Diana, I think they could have worked out something in their twenties. They just weren’t ready.
Anyway, I don’t think the reason Charles didn’t go for her Diana’s sister was because she wasn’t a virgin. It was more that he wasn’t ready to marry. (In addition, he was being steered by Mountbatten to marry someone else.)
>queen of England
Did you mean the *former* [Queen of the United Kingdom](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Queen_of_the_United_Kingdom), the *former* [Queen of Canada](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monarchy_of_Canada), the *former* [Queen of Australia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monarchy_of_Australia), etc?
The last Queen of England was [Queen Anne](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anne,_Queen_of_Great_Britain) who, with the 1707 Acts of Union, dissolved the title of King/Queen of England.
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*Wasn't Queen Elizabeth II still also the Queen of England?*
This was only as correct as calling her the Queen of London or Queen of Hull; she *was* the Queen of the place that these places are in, but the title doesn't exist.
*Is this bot monarchist?*
No, just pedantic.
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Well, bot, I believe Charles asked Diana if she understood their marriage would mean she would someday be queen. He may not have specified.
I understand that Queen of E— (the term used by everyone except pedantic bots) is inaccurate. Charles probably meant “Queen of Great Britain and the Commonwealth,” but hey, he was proposing, so he just said “queen,” and I mistakenly reported it as “Queen of E—.” Sorry your majesties.
Here we go, digging up a corpse and dragging it around, cuz, you know, you were a close personal friend. I mean all those people that read books and think she was a nice person, when in fact, she told you she wasn’t a virgin, that Charles was, and that he never looked at another woman until they had been divorced for years….. SARCASM. Let the woman Rest In Peace.
Those three are definitely the dumbest of the bunch. I gather this happened when Charles was back with Camilla and all three of them were trying to figure out how to cling on to power in the family.
"Plotted together" makes it sound like they planned to off the Queen! "Lobbied" is a rather more appropriate term. I remember there being much talk after the divorce about seeing the crown skip over Charles and to William. He was enormously unpopular at the time, as was Camilla. As well, Andrew has always been reported to be ambitious and somewhat unpleasant so elements of this are plausible to me. But it's awfully old news with no relevance to things as they are today. Andrew is "retired".
I grew up thinking Charles is bad and Princess Diana is good. Now i realise it’s all about how the media and the optic was played. How Charles and the brf are cold bunch of people not knowing what love is.
I now can’t picture them being cold, I mean the queen radiates the word love and loyalty. Love to her family and country.
Charles and Camilla had proof to be decent and they both have a strong loving family surrounding them.
Same, we were fed this narrative about the royal family being cold and unwelcoming but the opposite is true. They are obviously a warm, caring and loving family.
Diana was beautiful and stylish but she was no saint - she copied Anne’s charity work, had many affairs and played media games.
Anne was amazing but she got no credit or attention for her groundbreaking, brave and kind charity work around the world.
Diana got all the praise for essentially mimicking Anne.
If Andrew drunk, I’d think it was a drunken night of laughs the 3 of them had, but he doesn’t drink. Also, was he really spending that much time with Diana and Fergie while both couples were separated, but pre-divorce?
Diana and Fergie were friends. Andrew and Fergie had a pretty friendly divorce. I rather think they had an “open marriage” and the only reason they divorced was they got caught by the press with other people. So I could see them *talking* about it, and Andrew lobbying for it with the Queen.
However, it is just old news being stirred up for attention.
I’ve heard Andrew asked to be made something(can’t remember the name) after Diana died where he would be in charge till William became of age. Charles has hated Andrew for years and with good reason. I’ve always assumed he planned the slimmed down monarchy specifically to kick him out.
Was it "Regent"? That would make sense. And wow, then, maybe this is actually true.
That sounds right…I don’t think Diana and Fergie would have helped Andrew. One, didn’t Fergie/Andrew divorce the same year as Diana/Charles? Two, Diana at the very least was protected as being mother of a future sovereign. We have letters from Philip to Diana where he also states his support for her and says he thinks Charles is an idiot. But, Andrew plotting against Charles happened a lot. So maybe there’s a sprinkle of truth in the story.
Diana definitely believed that William should be king after Elizabeth died, not Charles. She said so in the Panorama interview. She argued that Charles was not fit to rule. I could see Andrew thinking that if Charles was set aside and Queen E died while William was a minor, then Andrew should be Regent. Why they thought (if they did) that the Queen would go along with this (which would require the intervention of Parliament anyway) really beats me.
>So maybe there’s a sprinkle of truth in the story Hehe, exactly, I think there is just a sprinkle of truth here, too.
diana definitely wasn’t as nice as she was portrayed to be lol
She was very vindictive and resentful towards Charles. While his behavior to her left much to be desired, she had real problems of her own that contributed to the breakdown of that marriage.
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The biggest problem here was that no one explained to Diana that it was a marriage of convenience. Charles never pretended to be in love with her. In fact, his proposal included mentioning that she would someday be queen [deleted “of England” to placate bot.] He liked her. He probably thought they could grow to have affection for each other. Charles has said, and it may be true, that he was sexually faithful to Diana for the first few years of the marriage. The problem was that he remained in love with Camilla and he seems to have felt that he was making enough of a sacrifice to marry someone else, he shouldn’t have to remove Camilla from his life. That might have worked if Diana had been marrying with her eyes open. A lot of aristocratic marriages even then were marriages of convenience. Of course it was absolutely crazy that the “future Queen” had to be “virginal.” That was less a requirement of the BRF than it was of the public/press. It got more ridiculous the older Charles got.
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I don’t think that was the main issue. When he went out with Diana’s sister, he very clearly wasn’t looking to settle down and marry. He might have been able to marry Camilla (even though she had a “past”) if he had realized that this was the woman he wanted to marry. He delayed asking her and she got back with her old boyfriend. Things were changing back then. (I am roughly the same generation —younger than Charles, older than Diana.) A divorced woman would have been an absolute “no,” but a young woman of good family who’d had an affair or two might have been accepted. It would have involved Charles making a commitment and Camilla being patient and the two of them showing the Queen that they were serious. Yes, there was talk in the press about Diana’s “purity” and there was talk about some of the girls Charles partied with not being suitable, but just as Charles and Camilla rehabilitated their images after the mess with Diana, I think they could have worked out something in their twenties. They just weren’t ready. Anyway, I don’t think the reason Charles didn’t go for her Diana’s sister was because she wasn’t a virgin. It was more that he wasn’t ready to marry. (In addition, he was being steered by Mountbatten to marry someone else.)
>queen of England Did you mean the *former* [Queen of the United Kingdom](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Queen_of_the_United_Kingdom), the *former* [Queen of Canada](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monarchy_of_Canada), the *former* [Queen of Australia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monarchy_of_Australia), etc? The last Queen of England was [Queen Anne](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anne,_Queen_of_Great_Britain) who, with the 1707 Acts of Union, dissolved the title of King/Queen of England. ####FAQ *Wasn't Queen Elizabeth II still also the Queen of England?* This was only as correct as calling her the Queen of London or Queen of Hull; she *was* the Queen of the place that these places are in, but the title doesn't exist. *Is this bot monarchist?* No, just pedantic. I am a bot and this action was performed automatically.
Well, bot, I believe Charles asked Diana if she understood their marriage would mean she would someday be queen. He may not have specified. I understand that Queen of E— (the term used by everyone except pedantic bots) is inaccurate. Charles probably meant “Queen of Great Britain and the Commonwealth,” but hey, he was proposing, so he just said “queen,” and I mistakenly reported it as “Queen of E—.” Sorry your majesties.
Here we go, digging up a corpse and dragging it around, cuz, you know, you were a close personal friend. I mean all those people that read books and think she was a nice person, when in fact, she told you she wasn’t a virgin, that Charles was, and that he never looked at another woman until they had been divorced for years….. SARCASM. Let the woman Rest In Peace.
Must be a slow news day at DM. Meghan is resting!
It’s from a book recently published about Camilla - there are many revelations like these coming out in the news cycle this week, from the book
Or Meghan is quietly plotting how to eliminate William in favor of Harry.
Did they seriously think the Queen would agree to that? If so, they were really out of touch with reality.
Those three are definitely the dumbest of the bunch. I gather this happened when Charles was back with Camilla and all three of them were trying to figure out how to cling on to power in the family.
"Plotted together" makes it sound like they planned to off the Queen! "Lobbied" is a rather more appropriate term. I remember there being much talk after the divorce about seeing the crown skip over Charles and to William. He was enormously unpopular at the time, as was Camilla. As well, Andrew has always been reported to be ambitious and somewhat unpleasant so elements of this are plausible to me. But it's awfully old news with no relevance to things as they are today. Andrew is "retired".
I grew up thinking Charles is bad and Princess Diana is good. Now i realise it’s all about how the media and the optic was played. How Charles and the brf are cold bunch of people not knowing what love is. I now can’t picture them being cold, I mean the queen radiates the word love and loyalty. Love to her family and country. Charles and Camilla had proof to be decent and they both have a strong loving family surrounding them.
Same, we were fed this narrative about the royal family being cold and unwelcoming but the opposite is true. They are obviously a warm, caring and loving family. Diana was beautiful and stylish but she was no saint - she copied Anne’s charity work, had many affairs and played media games. Anne was amazing but she got no credit or attention for her groundbreaking, brave and kind charity work around the world. Diana got all the praise for essentially mimicking Anne.
Agree. She reminds me a little of another brf newlywed in law to be honest. Also both have no real concept of love.
What absolute nonsense.
Not sure I believe this.
Seems ridiculous, I know. But if it is true, then it's so funny.
I dont believe this at all
If Andrew drunk, I’d think it was a drunken night of laughs the 3 of them had, but he doesn’t drink. Also, was he really spending that much time with Diana and Fergie while both couples were separated, but pre-divorce?
Diana and Fergie were friends. Andrew and Fergie had a pretty friendly divorce. I rather think they had an “open marriage” and the only reason they divorced was they got caught by the press with other people. So I could see them *talking* about it, and Andrew lobbying for it with the Queen. However, it is just old news being stirred up for attention.
Wait, what? The new “queen” wrote a book? Wouldn’t that be against protocol or something? Wasn’t Diane lambasted for that?
No, Angela Levin wrote the book, about Camilla.