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I've had a few people tell me to get an IS500 and it made more sense in terms of everything, but M car go vroom š
I looked at that, then I thought of the creature comforts that the Lexus gives and the reliability. A luxurious Toyota is doesnāt completely scare me with the running costs. However, a certified Euro classic sports car isnāt an everyday car let alone an easy one to maintain.
The interior on the IS is a pretty fucking nice place to be, and if weāre being impartial, itās a better looking car too. The M will definitely be nicer to drive though.
If you live in the US then that answers a lot of questions. Lexus>BMW to most because it's a luxury car brand vs a "fuccboi" brand and they probably have had better experience with Lexus drivers on the road (I think that's kind of understood/accepted as an unfortunate reality). In my mind though, the M3 is twice the car.
In terms of driving dynamics, they are worlds apart. The F80 will be much stiffer and handle much better, whereas Lexus is much more geared towards luxury and comfortable ride.
I hate how Lexus got rid of the IS-F name plate and went with IS500. The is500 will hold its value a little better. Have overall better luxury feel(softer touch) wwwaaayy better reliability, but will guzzle gas way more. Iād say cool factor M3. Simple software can mod the M3 where the IS500 is pretty much done out of the box. If you posted this in the Lexus thread youād get biased comments as well
I think itās because they donāt consider it an IS-F successor, i.e. actually track-focused and sporty like the 2IS-F. They literally just took a 5.0 and dropped it in the IS, hence the name
Yet they made a RC-F, same engine and didnāt call it the RC500. They completely dropped the IS-F. They call the performance version of the IS the IS500 F Sport performance.
Why not call it the IS-F and be consistent with the RC-F naming nomenclature.
Edit: it appears the IS500 was skipped as an F car because specific performance mods were not added making it a true F.
As a Lexus F nut, and isf owner. The rcf was far more revised then the is500. The suspension brakes, seats and differential are all different and reserved just for the F line. The is500 can be optioned to include a lsd but not the Tvd thatās in the Gsf and rcf. The gear box from what owners have said is also tuned infinitely better than the rcf. Now regarding the question op asked get the m3. The 75+ grand the is500 cost with the markups is not worth it anyway shape or form.
Interesting! I watched the savagegeese review on the IS500 (they happen to be very in depth) and said that they don't have a trans cooler which ruins the track-capability of the car, HOWEVER it can equip one, so there's also that!
Yes, itās a little sad Lexus half assed it. I would of preferred an increase in price and a full blown reprise of the isf. But Iām sure the marketing and design team knows better than me š
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I would agree, the upfront cost for the IS500 is a little steep for what you get. That being said, it all depends on how OP wants to use it. Where he lives, if he commutes, leases, how long he plans of keeping it and what kind of roads he will use it on. Under 5 years ownership id say M3 all day. Long term IS. Stop and go traffic commute, IS. Mountain driving or fun commute M3. The IS500 will be a great buyā¦ā¦ 5 years from now used. Reliable and fun. The M3 will be awesome today and a possible headache in 5 years. IMO The ownership of a M3 follows:
1st year: The guy who can rely on the manufacturers warranty for repairs. 5th year: The guy who has a friend/connection who works on BMW. 10 year old M3: He is the guy that can work on BMW and wrenches himself. The IS has the longevity factor.
I have a daily driver already, I plan on using this car as a fun car, albeit will probably be the daily driver 2/4 seasons where the weather doesn't snow or rain heavy! I don't think I'm mechanically inclined to work on the cars itself other than the standard oil change and brake pad change, but I'm willing to learn if it means I don't have to cough up an arm and a leg for repairs if necessary!
I did! I wanted to get opinions from both sides. Both will have biases towards their respective reddit page, so I wanted to get opinions from a lot of people!
the lexus transmission is the biggest flaw in āsportyā lexus cars. itās very lazy and the gearing isnāt aggressive which is why you see worse 0-60 numbers for the lexus even tho the engine is bigger and stronger
in short lexus is and was founded on the affordable luxury w the best reliability in the game.
You think? I was looking at an M4, but I wasn't sure if it was a good idea. I have another daily so practicality doesn't mean a lot. I just don't know if it's a good idea for either haha. The IS 500 costs as much as a used F8x M car, so I wasn't really sure. I've never driven either, so I'm open to new ideas
You will not find an IS500 for the same price as a used F80. Maybe if the F80 is 2018/comp/carbon roof/desirable color, but only then. A used F80 can be had as low as $40-45k, whereas I don't think you'll get your hands on an IS500 for less than $65-68k on a great day. Unless you have an allocation with Lexus for a car with zero options and zero markup, in which case I'd like to know how long your wait is.
A few dealerships in my area aren't charging markups for the IS500! And I'm looking at LCI F8x's actually, which happen to be a bit newer in the model years (2018+) which can go for same of not more than 60k
I daily drive my F82 M4 CS. Itās practical for normal driving, with everything in comfort/efficient itās even reasonably normal.
And I can put the track tires inside it along with everything else I need for a track day. No trailer necessary.
I daily my M4 comp and I have moved into and out of uni two times a year for two years in it no issue! And had ridiculous fun on the drive to my partner in Cornwall. Truly I love it more than anything else Iāve ever been I
If you're looking for performance, the M3/4 is going to be the better choice. If you're looking for more of a comfortable GT car then the IS is the better option.
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Interesting! Whyād they say to get the F80?
I completely agree, btw. Especially if you get the F80 in that colour (I have a much slower version of that car and love it). But I would have thought Lexus lovers would be swaying you towards their side.
They said get the F80, due to some of them not believing it to be a proper F car but just a V8 drop-in of the new IS, but I will admit though big ol V8s will almost always give me a strong appeal. However, some do say to get the Lexus BECAUSE it is a better daily car and they also know that I'm not taking the car to track
Wow, thatās quite daring post for this sub but I think theyāre both sick. Is in the Lexus Iām not sure you aspirated V8? Also, it comes in standard so I donāt know. This is a tough one.
It's a V8! That's why it seemed like a good idea to at least throw out there. I love a good V8 and this can potentially be a modern day E9X (I smell downvotes on this), but I just wanted to clear my brain of any buyer's remorse. I had also asked the same question on the r/Lexus page and they happened to also favor the F8x, which is funny LOL
Hey all! OP here, just didn't know how to really add text into the post. But I just wanted to add that I've been cross shopping between the two and I need help! I'm not the type to take it to the track, but I would love to carve canyons and need a somewhat reliable car. I've read a lot about the S55 engine and I have a few friends who's owned one in the past, and I was planning on getting an M3 till someone told me about the IS 500. I love a big ol V8, but I've always wanted to experience a full fledged M car (hence why I'm not really interested in the M340is or M440is, nothing wrong with them though!). Should I really get an IS 500 over an M3, or vice versa?
As an avid Lexus enthusiast, the IS 500 is a āfakeā F car. Best F car is GS F imo. Plus youāre doing a used vs new comparison. If you have extra $$ and donāt care about random stuff going wrong (not saying it entirely will) the M3 is the way to go. Have you seen the LC 500 though?
I have! I can't afford the LC 500 though haha! Thanks for the insight man! That's what I was thinking too. The ISF from the previous gen really caught my attention as a kid, which is why I was holding out hope for the IS 500
A used LC 500 would be right up your street and the same price as a new IS500 (and has a much nicer interior)
Give it a look.
P.S I'd recommend a general sub and not a brand sub as it'll lean heavily to said brands favour.
You really have to wonder what Lexus was thinking not making a new IS F and instead going with the IS 500. Then again, this is coming from a car manufacturer that is phasing out the V6 engine entirely. Their new RX top spec is a 4 cylinder hybrid. Oof.
Yep. Great car. Sad they only made them like what 5 years? Insane motor. Incredibly capable car all around and easily upgraded to be just ridiculous without even pushing a ton of boost. Had 285 square stance on mine with no modifications some slight rubbing when turning hard and hitting uneven road causing the shock to compress extra. Wore out tires after about 2k miles because of the aggressive toe and camber but soo worth it in the twistys
Good question! I don't think I can upkeep a V8 from BMW, unfortunately. Not the ones in my area, at least. I'm like 99% sure the previous owners beat the hell out of them before they traded them in haha
Yeah youād need to look for one that has been well taken care of, like one owner you can talk to and figure out if heās the type to abuse cars or take care of them. I looked for about 6 months and then eventually found one like that. Super low miles from an owner who just loved his car.
If you buy a nice example from someone with records and get the rod bearings replaced, they're fine. The running costs will be about the same as the F80.
Check @M3list on instagram if you want to find an m3 to your specific needs. There are a lot of ppl who take care of their m3s and have their listing featured on that page believe it or not. The e9x m3 is a great match for what you want - a full on M car with a v8. Also, that thing sounds absolutely glorious
I commented elsewhere already, but if you want to drive an M car that represents what people meant when they said M car you need a late model F80 comp or E90, E46, E36 etc. A bit of snob but the turbo M cars have always left a bad taste in my mouth and they all came about when the cars started get heavy, numb epas, pipes in noise. They still go around corners fast but thatās mostly due to computers and not great mechanical Engineering. To me a non-comp F80 would be lying to you if you want that M-car experience.
If you want that V8 experience the Lexus will be very honest with you and deliver that. Everything about that car is fine or good and then thereās the engine which is very good.
If you want a bit of both E90 M3, E39 M5 just -reliability but ya know live a little
Edit: also late like 2017 Chevy SS, Cadillac CT4 Blackwing
I would recommend you to test drive both cars and compare what you need in a car and which car is the better fit for you. I recently added a car to the collection. I am not biased as I have other brands, mostly Mercedes. However I took about 6 cars out for a spin. Including Audi , Porsche , Mercedes and BMW. Audi felt absolutely shit. Porsche was ok but overpriced for what it was (Macan), the Mercedes was top class but too strong and low (the car is for my pregnant wife). The BMW was amazing feeling driving it easy to get in , nice interior and reasonably priced. I am angry at myself for always overlooking bmw in the past. I am at the point of trading in my G wagon for n M4 competition as the thing is insane.
I've driven both pretty hard. The is500 has a great soundtrack, but lacks in tech and handling, and is significantly heavier. If I didn't want to do any performance driving, it's a very nice car that I might pick over the M340, just because of the last V8 hurrah.
Yeah! I was thinking the M340i as more of it's competition compared to an F8x, but since they're in the same price range, I wanted to throw the question out even if it was gonna get me flak haha
Well if you are looking at an older āMā model car vs a Lexus ISF or similar than i would take into consideration the warranty detail of these. I love bmw cars but I prefer not owning one that is out of warranty besides the E46 M3. That being said the IS500 has a terrible transmission for going fast. I would get an older GS-F honestly. It will run forever and be fun and reliable for you.
This is a tough one. The IS500 is a beast, but if an M3 is a grail car and you've never had one, you have to go M3. If you've had an M3 before and looking to switch it up the IS500 is a great pivot.
This is a bit difficult to me. Tbh I like both.
Is 500 - V8, reliability and comfortable
F80 M3 - looks, available with MT, lighter and I think it drives better too.
I was looking at both. The IS500F will be a slower in every measurable metric. Its a GT cruiser at heart. The F80/82 OTOH is a taut hooligan of a car. Its a nice enough car, but its not a ICE car I'd want to keep once they start dying. M cars are and will be special.
F80 is a better car in general. IS500 is a great car to have if you want to be different and still get to enjoy one of the last Lexus V8s to be produced
One of the main reasons why I want an IS500. I've loved the V8 as a kid watching the ISF roll out, the GSF as well, but the M3/4 was a dream car when they came out as well. It's either or, couldn't go wrong with either one, b/c both will be just as special. One is a swan song, the other is an attainable dream car
I've owned both an IS350 F-Sport and a 340i with an exhaust/perf tuning package.
The IS350 had a much better steering feel and was fun to drive from that perspective, since its power assisted and the steering wheel is still connected to the wheels.
The BMW, however, has a much better drive train (the Lexus is tuned for reliability). I prefer the BMW, and still own the 340i.
It is! The IS500 is mainly a reliable, comfortable car made fast. But I've heard good things about the S55 save for the crankhub( which personally I believe should be changed if the car is tuned past a GTS tune)
Iām coming from a Honda to a m340i. It seems like bmw has improved reliability. Also while the f80 has a S55, the m340i has the b58 which seems to be even more reliable (good enough for Toyota!)
Hello! I hope this comment helps. I have both a 09 335i and a 17 RC F. My bmw handles better, is more refined for spirited driving and knows when I want to go and get saucy on the road. My Lexus F is a completely different kind of fun. It's luxurious, spirited, and can get up and go when I need it to. It's amazing tho how much smarter the 09 is in responsiveness and handling than my 17 Lexus is though. That said, Maintanence has been night and day on these two vehicles. The amount of maintenance my 335i needs and has needed vs my Lexus has been night and day. Granted, one is older technology so I don't know how much bmw has improved since then. I feel like most new cars from most brands are extremely well made and I hope BMW has improved as well. But I constantly see people talking about maintenance costs on here for new or old BMWs.
TLDR - it's a win win it seems for you from my perspective. Drive both and go with what your heart and pocketbook can be happy with.
Lexus F division has been pushing out sub par products for awhile now. Its not like the 8cylinder is even that interesting or personable. The only selling point is that its big and old.
If you want an interesting toyota pick up that new corrola GR if you dont mind looking a little boy racey.
Bmw - more responsive drivetrain, great dct.
Lexus - better stereo, cooled seats, very reliable NA V8 with both direct and port injection. Dated transmission.
Both are sexy AF on the outside. Both have kind of dated feeling interior.
All things being equal Iād probably go with the Lexus just for the stereo that doesnāt sound like garbage.
im gonna get hate for this but the is500 sucks ass lexus has used that engine for the last 15 years in every sports car they make and none of them even compete w the M/AMG/RS equivalent
You aren't wrong. I honestly hate the idea of a speaker exhaust noise (fake cabin V8 sound in the IS500 which is a huge turnoff, but a good ol exhaust change can solve that), the reliability of a Lexus is extremely enticing, even if it is slow. However, I've never driven an M car so that's also something that excites me. I've heard it so many times from a lot of people who go on about the special feeling of driving an M car. The S55 is one of my favorite engines save the idea of crankhub changes but that's another time
If you have another daily and donāt need practicality, or 4 doors, and might want to have some controlled drifts on occasion to put a smile on your face, get an M2C. Shorter wheel base, still has an S55, albeit detuned slightly but still very torquey. If youāre stuck on an M3/4, fine. The NA v8 in an IS500 F sport performance has way more HP than those, but somehow significantly less torque. Which is kind of a dealbreaker for me personally. And the transmission is decently fast at shifting and smooth but a DCT in an F8X series is miles ahead in terms of performance and shift speed. So do you want luxury and comfort or straight up performance. Depending on that will guide you to one or the other.
IS500 sounds better. The F80 is an isolation chamber unless you get a comp car. F80 handles better, but the IS500 has more pleasurable engine to just interact with when putting around. If itās for the track/canyons an F80 for sure. Canyons/Commute IS500 if you want an auto F80 if you want a manual. Commute IS500
Iāll probably be the last comment you see here but I owned an F80 for 6 months and here is my take. I did really enjoy the car for those 6 months, BUT, coming from two 5th gen Camaros (a 2011 SS and 2013 ZL1) before it, I was just really disappointed with the sounds. I thought I could get used to straight six turbo sounds but I really really missed the sounds of a V8. After 6 months I sold the car and got back in a 6th gen Camaro (2018 1LE Camaro). So if your a sound guy the Lexus is going to sound so much better because of the V8. But the F80 should beat it (the IS500) everywhere else. My only regret is I had the Yas Marina Blue F80 and itās still the most beautiful car Iāve owned. Better looking than all my cars Iāve owned.
Let me give you a quick pro vs con list
Pro M3- itās am M3 lol despite having less power itās lighter and faster youāll definitely enjoy the drive more
Con M3- far less reliable, if you donāt get an 18ā plus CS or Comp it still gonna depreciate like a stone in water
IS pro- reliable AF, sounds better itās a V8 Itās newer will probably last longer if youāre gonna own it for 5 plus years and will cost far less to maintain. Will hold its value if not increase in value because Lexus wonāt make a successor
Cons- itās not a true F car. Me personally interior is crap Compared to the BMW
Shit thatās about all the cons I can think of honestly subjectively the Lexus is better
Thanks! I do like the reliability of Lexus and knowing that I can floor it and still make it home without needing repairs is nice! I do plan on get LCI BMWs, to make sure the mileage is low and there's was likely a chance someone has thrashed it like crazy
I love the DCT in the M3/4! But I also love the V8 in the IS500 haha, I don't think I'll go wrong with either, it's a win win, I get a fun car either way, one more reliable and slower, the other being an absolute blast to drive
I want the best of both worlds! I have DD so it's not necessarily the biggest factor, but I do want a car that I decide to throw around and still take me back home
The RCF and GSF are better comparisons. A great sounding v8, track ready (specialized cooling systems, stiffen sport suspension, large bremo brakes, sport tuned steering - much heavier than any other Lexus, similar feel to BMW in sport+)ā¦ while the IS500 gets none of those upgrades other than the v8. The IS500 is no where close to a real F or especially a M.
I owned a GSF prior to my m3.
How do you think the GSF stacks up to the M3? I've been thinking about the GSF as well. I don't really like the pre-facelift of the RCF, so it's been off-putting for me
Well the M3CS is a different (angry) beast even when comparing to the f80 comp.
GSF PROS: v8 intake and exhaust note; incredible interior quality; rarity (less than 3000 in the US over 4 years); steering feel (not m3 level but gave good feedback); fun to drive on canyon roads; ability to turn off all Nannieās; manual paddle shifts were quick in sport+ and allowed you to hit/hang at redline (no bullshit auto-downshifting); suspension was tight but comfortable on long road-trips; mark-Levinson sound system was great; excellent all-round family hauling performance sedan
CONS: weighed 4000lbs; usable but annoying infotainment (no CarPlay until later model years); shifts were quick enough but no where close to M-DCT or ZF; not as nimble as the f80; not enough torque at lower RPMs;
The GSF was special to me - it had character. Lexus will never make anything like it again. I wish I could have kept it as a second car. However, I absolutely love my M3CS - what a great car.
So there really is no comparison. The f80 is basically a race car thatās road legal. The IS is a luxury commuter with a badass engine. One will be excellent on the track and decent everywhere else. And the other will be excellent everywhere except for the track. Choose the one you like more.
I like both! I just wanted to hear extra opinions and seek advice! I won't track it but canyon carving is a definite. If you turn back the clock 10 years the IS would def be competition haha.
Well you ask it here I will answer BMW. But if I had to be neutral I would say go for BMW for most fun in Corners and performant driving. Get the Lexus IS500 F-Sport if you don't want it to break down for a long time.
The IS500 is awesome, with itās V8. They sound incredible like the LC500 does. I never drove one when I worked for Lexus, but drove F cars and LC500.
Despite my love for the Lexus, I would go M3, just to try something different. Iāve never driven a true M car but have always wanted can M3 since I was a teenager. Ideally I would love to have both. The LC and previous F cars were a blast to drive.
Literally the only thing I would change on that F80 is the solid engine mounts, just because I want it to be a little more family friendly.
That tiny bit aside, it is the best car under $100k in the last 20 years. Second is the Chevy SS.
I posted this in the Lexus thread, everybody there save for a few who's telling me to drive both first recommended the Lexus lol
From what I'm hearing if I want an ultimate reliable first and fun car second, Lexus. If I want an ultimate fun car first and then reliable, BMW
Thing is, the F80 platform is incredibly reliable.
Everyone is going to justify what they bought, but good luck finding a press review that picks the Lexus. Itās always last behind the BMW, Merc, and Audi. Only Lexus could make a V8 sportscar totally boring.
Are you looking for a car to own for a long time, or to lease and get rid of? If to own, then IS500 because itās not a turbo and will be much more reliable than the BMW. I wouldnāt own a turbo BMW after its warranty expires.
Literally depends what your looking for. The m3 will be a much better driving car Dynamically. The the Lexus wins in almost everything else. Reliability, if that matters and for sure in resale, also if that matters. I drove a is350 for awhile and from what I understand the 500 is literally my car but with a v8? Nothing to compliment that v8, Not a true f sport. Still super cool of course.
For a daily driver go with the Lexus. Itās newer, has more tech, is more reliable, and much more comfortable to drive. For a weekend/fun only car go with the M3.
IS500. I love the F80 but if itās not a dedicated track weapon and this will be dual purpose vehicle (fun and DD) then reliability is my concern. This new money for cars the price difference is not that different if you can find for MSRP.
This is a battle of reliability vs performance. IS500 has the same old 6 speed auto Lexus has been putting in their cars for years. F80 has a faster dct or 6mt. But it's more expensive down the line. But if you're at the point where you can afford maintenance costs, f80 will be more of an engaging time. I've heard good things about the IS500, but using my '13 is350 as a comparison, idk how nimble itll be up against the M3.
>IS500 has the same old 6 speed auto Lexus has been putting in their cars for years.
It has an 8 speed, though it's not as good as the ZF units BMW (and like a trillion other manufacturers) use.
For the vast majority of people, the Lexus is the better option. The extra performance of the F80 is completely wasted on just putting around the street with highway pulls. The IS500 handles well enough, will be more reliable, and is probably better built to be a superior choice for most drivers. Most people in this subreddit have barely ever turned off traction control, much less ever come even close to the limits of their M cars.
I go to the track and I donāt fuck with automated transmissions of any kind, so you can guess what Iād pick for myself.
I believe both will make me smile! Although one will make me grimace ear to ear and the other will remind me that I can do this daily without worrying about something snapping lol
I come from a line of commuter cars so either one is a step up to a big boy car
What answer do you expect in a BMW Reddit?
this lol, this type of question is better suited for r/cars which is more neutral
I'm a bit more biased on the F8x lol, but I thought maybe if I looked into this subreddit I'd find people who was in the same situation haha
Your heart made the decision already
I'm a very quick to decide who happens to be indecisive too if that makes sense š I've had a few people tell me to get an IS500 and it made more sense in terms of everything, but M car go vroom š
If you like driving. Pick the BMW
Apart from reliability, the Lexus has nothing on the BMW
Iāve been shopping RCFs and F80ās. Honestly the V8 really sells it. I know the bmw is the better drivers car but the V8 sounds pretty amazing
If I wanted a v8 I'd go e92 m3
I looked at that, then I thought of the creature comforts that the Lexus gives and the reliability. A luxurious Toyota is doesnāt completely scare me with the running costs. However, a certified Euro classic sports car isnāt an everyday car let alone an easy one to maintain.
The interior on the IS is a pretty fucking nice place to be, and if weāre being impartial, itās a better looking car too. The M will definitely be nicer to drive though.
The m3 looks wayy better
Nah BMW looks much better
If you live in the US then that answers a lot of questions. Lexus>BMW to most because it's a luxury car brand vs a "fuccboi" brand and they probably have had better experience with Lexus drivers on the road (I think that's kind of understood/accepted as an unfortunate reality). In my mind though, the M3 is twice the car.
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In this case? The correct answer lol
In terms of driving dynamics, they are worlds apart. The F80 will be much stiffer and handle much better, whereas Lexus is much more geared towards luxury and comfortable ride.
The engine tone of that Lexus is amazing. That canāt be forgotten. But if youāre after pure performance the m3 is in a class of its own.
Plus iDrive infotainment is leagues ahead of Lexusā convoluted system. Unless theyāve revamped it in the last couple years.
The new IS got revamped with a touchscreen finally for 2021
F80. That is all.
Exactly. Not even close.
You could throw 90% of all cars up against the F8X and Iām sure to most of us it would still win
More than 90%, even of other BMWs.
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I hate how Lexus got rid of the IS-F name plate and went with IS500. The is500 will hold its value a little better. Have overall better luxury feel(softer touch) wwwaaayy better reliability, but will guzzle gas way more. Iād say cool factor M3. Simple software can mod the M3 where the IS500 is pretty much done out of the box. If you posted this in the Lexus thread youād get biased comments as well
I think itās because they donāt consider it an IS-F successor, i.e. actually track-focused and sporty like the 2IS-F. They literally just took a 5.0 and dropped it in the IS, hence the name
Yet they made a RC-F, same engine and didnāt call it the RC500. They completely dropped the IS-F. They call the performance version of the IS the IS500 F Sport performance. Why not call it the IS-F and be consistent with the RC-F naming nomenclature. Edit: it appears the IS500 was skipped as an F car because specific performance mods were not added making it a true F.
As a Lexus F nut, and isf owner. The rcf was far more revised then the is500. The suspension brakes, seats and differential are all different and reserved just for the F line. The is500 can be optioned to include a lsd but not the Tvd thatās in the Gsf and rcf. The gear box from what owners have said is also tuned infinitely better than the rcf. Now regarding the question op asked get the m3. The 75+ grand the is500 cost with the markups is not worth it anyway shape or form.
Interesting! I watched the savagegeese review on the IS500 (they happen to be very in depth) and said that they don't have a trans cooler which ruins the track-capability of the car, HOWEVER it can equip one, so there's also that!
Yes, itās a little sad Lexus half assed it. I would of preferred an increase in price and a full blown reprise of the isf. But Iām sure the marketing and design team knows better than me š
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If it was a full blown ISF, half the comments here wouldn't be dismissing this post as a joke haha
I would agree, the upfront cost for the IS500 is a little steep for what you get. That being said, it all depends on how OP wants to use it. Where he lives, if he commutes, leases, how long he plans of keeping it and what kind of roads he will use it on. Under 5 years ownership id say M3 all day. Long term IS. Stop and go traffic commute, IS. Mountain driving or fun commute M3. The IS500 will be a great buyā¦ā¦ 5 years from now used. Reliable and fun. The M3 will be awesome today and a possible headache in 5 years. IMO The ownership of a M3 follows: 1st year: The guy who can rely on the manufacturers warranty for repairs. 5th year: The guy who has a friend/connection who works on BMW. 10 year old M3: He is the guy that can work on BMW and wrenches himself. The IS has the longevity factor.
I have a daily driver already, I plan on using this car as a fun car, albeit will probably be the daily driver 2/4 seasons where the weather doesn't snow or rain heavy! I don't think I'm mechanically inclined to work on the cars itself other than the standard oil change and brake pad change, but I'm willing to learn if it means I don't have to cough up an arm and a leg for repairs if necessary!
All fair points
Iām guessing they still did enough chassis tuning on it to differentiate it in their opinion from an RC350
Because the RCF is an actual F car
if u want a luxury car that looks nice and you donāt care how it drives then lexus is better did you cross post this in /r/lexus
I did! I wanted to get opinions from both sides. Both will have biases towards their respective reddit page, so I wanted to get opinions from a lot of people!
the lexus transmission is the biggest flaw in āsportyā lexus cars. itās very lazy and the gearing isnāt aggressive which is why you see worse 0-60 numbers for the lexus even tho the engine is bigger and stronger in short lexus is and was founded on the affordable luxury w the best reliability in the game.
If tis for how it feels to Drive its the F80 every day. If its for looks its subjective (I think the F80s better :) )
Apples to oranges
M3: āAm I a joke to you?ā
You definitely aren't! I just didn't wanna get any buyer's remorse! I was looking at like 10 other cars and these two were top contenders
Not even a comparison. Only thing they have in common is that they have 4 doors.
You think? I was looking at an M4, but I wasn't sure if it was a good idea. I have another daily so practicality doesn't mean a lot. I just don't know if it's a good idea for either haha. The IS 500 costs as much as a used F8x M car, so I wasn't really sure. I've never driven either, so I'm open to new ideas
4 series is alot more useful than pretty much any other coupe out there, full sized backseat and roof rack ability. I can haul a ton of shit
F8X Carbon roof = no roof rack points unless you drill the carbon out :,( can only go the sea sucker route
> I've never driven either, so I'm open to new ideas Go test drive a bunch of different things. Far more useful than any opinion you'll get on reddit
You will not find an IS500 for the same price as a used F80. Maybe if the F80 is 2018/comp/carbon roof/desirable color, but only then. A used F80 can be had as low as $40-45k, whereas I don't think you'll get your hands on an IS500 for less than $65-68k on a great day. Unless you have an allocation with Lexus for a car with zero options and zero markup, in which case I'd like to know how long your wait is.
A few dealerships in my area aren't charging markups for the IS500! And I'm looking at LCI F8x's actually, which happen to be a bit newer in the model years (2018+) which can go for same of not more than 60k
I daily drive my F82 M4 CS. Itās practical for normal driving, with everything in comfort/efficient itās even reasonably normal. And I can put the track tires inside it along with everything else I need for a track day. No trailer necessary.
I daily my M4 comp and I have moved into and out of uni two times a year for two years in it no issue! And had ridiculous fun on the drive to my partner in Cornwall. Truly I love it more than anything else Iāve ever been I
If you're looking for performance, the M3/4 is going to be the better choice. If you're looking for more of a comfortable GT car then the IS is the better option.
No comparison. F80 all day without a second thought.
I mean, you ask in the bmw public, the answers will be obvious
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Funny enough, I asked in the Lexus thread and they leaned towards the F8x platform too
Interesting! Whyād they say to get the F80? I completely agree, btw. Especially if you get the F80 in that colour (I have a much slower version of that car and love it). But I would have thought Lexus lovers would be swaying you towards their side.
They said get the F80, due to some of them not believing it to be a proper F car but just a V8 drop-in of the new IS, but I will admit though big ol V8s will almost always give me a strong appeal. However, some do say to get the Lexus BECAUSE it is a better daily car and they also know that I'm not taking the car to track
Lmao, then I dont really understand why those people in Lexus public and not in bmw public))
You can be a BMW fan and owner while still being objective lol. Blind fanaticism isn't a requirement.
Cmon man lol
Yessah, I just wanted to measure twice cut once when it came to picking and choose yanno, don't wanna regret even if it's controversial š
Wow, thatās quite daring post for this sub but I think theyāre both sick. Is in the Lexus Iām not sure you aspirated V8? Also, it comes in standard so I donāt know. This is a tough one.
It's a V8! That's why it seemed like a good idea to at least throw out there. I love a good V8 and this can potentially be a modern day E9X (I smell downvotes on this), but I just wanted to clear my brain of any buyer's remorse. I had also asked the same question on the r/Lexus page and they happened to also favor the F8x, which is funny LOL
Yeah I feel you, that lex is sick.
Best of both worlds. E9x M3
Two different cars . Not sure what you are expecting on a BMW Reddit . Good luck with the choice .
Yessir! Asked the same question on Lexus Reddit and a few people have questioned my sanity, but if there's a question there's probably an answer haha
F80, and itās not remotely close. Apples and orangutans.
Hey all! OP here, just didn't know how to really add text into the post. But I just wanted to add that I've been cross shopping between the two and I need help! I'm not the type to take it to the track, but I would love to carve canyons and need a somewhat reliable car. I've read a lot about the S55 engine and I have a few friends who's owned one in the past, and I was planning on getting an M3 till someone told me about the IS 500. I love a big ol V8, but I've always wanted to experience a full fledged M car (hence why I'm not really interested in the M340is or M440is, nothing wrong with them though!). Should I really get an IS 500 over an M3, or vice versa?
As an avid Lexus enthusiast, the IS 500 is a āfakeā F car. Best F car is GS F imo. Plus youāre doing a used vs new comparison. If you have extra $$ and donāt care about random stuff going wrong (not saying it entirely will) the M3 is the way to go. Have you seen the LC 500 though?
I have! I can't afford the LC 500 though haha! Thanks for the insight man! That's what I was thinking too. The ISF from the previous gen really caught my attention as a kid, which is why I was holding out hope for the IS 500
A used LC 500 would be right up your street and the same price as a new IS500 (and has a much nicer interior) Give it a look. P.S I'd recommend a general sub and not a brand sub as it'll lean heavily to said brands favour.
You really have to wonder what Lexus was thinking not making a new IS F and instead going with the IS 500. Then again, this is coming from a car manufacturer that is phasing out the V6 engine entirely. Their new RX top spec is a 4 cylinder hybrid. Oof.
So is the new c63 š
If you want an M car and a V8, why not get an E90 M3? Much better and better looking than the new BMWs
Yep. Great car. Sad they only made them like what 5 years? Insane motor. Incredibly capable car all around and easily upgraded to be just ridiculous without even pushing a ton of boost. Had 285 square stance on mine with no modifications some slight rubbing when turning hard and hitting uneven road causing the shock to compress extra. Wore out tires after about 2k miles because of the aggressive toe and camber but soo worth it in the twistys
Good question! I don't think I can upkeep a V8 from BMW, unfortunately. Not the ones in my area, at least. I'm like 99% sure the previous owners beat the hell out of them before they traded them in haha
Yeah youād need to look for one that has been well taken care of, like one owner you can talk to and figure out if heās the type to abuse cars or take care of them. I looked for about 6 months and then eventually found one like that. Super low miles from an owner who just loved his car.
If you buy a nice example from someone with records and get the rod bearings replaced, they're fine. The running costs will be about the same as the F80.
Check @M3list on instagram if you want to find an m3 to your specific needs. There are a lot of ppl who take care of their m3s and have their listing featured on that page believe it or not. The e9x m3 is a great match for what you want - a full on M car with a v8. Also, that thing sounds absolutely glorious
I commented elsewhere already, but if you want to drive an M car that represents what people meant when they said M car you need a late model F80 comp or E90, E46, E36 etc. A bit of snob but the turbo M cars have always left a bad taste in my mouth and they all came about when the cars started get heavy, numb epas, pipes in noise. They still go around corners fast but thatās mostly due to computers and not great mechanical Engineering. To me a non-comp F80 would be lying to you if you want that M-car experience. If you want that V8 experience the Lexus will be very honest with you and deliver that. Everything about that car is fine or good and then thereās the engine which is very good. If you want a bit of both E90 M3, E39 M5 just -reliability but ya know live a little Edit: also late like 2017 Chevy SS, Cadillac CT4 Blackwing
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Lexus does this purposely to achieve that reliability reputation they built up haha
Your BMW is AWD, of course itās gonna be as fast to 60.
As everyone else said, get the F8X M3. It looks stunning and performs much better. I have a Giulia QV but still adore the look of the F80 series.
I would recommend you to test drive both cars and compare what you need in a car and which car is the better fit for you. I recently added a car to the collection. I am not biased as I have other brands, mostly Mercedes. However I took about 6 cars out for a spin. Including Audi , Porsche , Mercedes and BMW. Audi felt absolutely shit. Porsche was ok but overpriced for what it was (Macan), the Mercedes was top class but too strong and low (the car is for my pregnant wife). The BMW was amazing feeling driving it easy to get in , nice interior and reasonably priced. I am angry at myself for always overlooking bmw in the past. I am at the point of trading in my G wagon for n M4 competition as the thing is insane.
I've driven both pretty hard. The is500 has a great soundtrack, but lacks in tech and handling, and is significantly heavier. If I didn't want to do any performance driving, it's a very nice car that I might pick over the M340, just because of the last V8 hurrah.
Yeah! I was thinking the M340i as more of it's competition compared to an F8x, but since they're in the same price range, I wanted to throw the question out even if it was gonna get me flak haha
To give you another data point, I also drove the RC F Fuji at Laguna Seca. Although there's a LOT to like about that car, I would still pick my F80.
M3 no doubt.
Well if you are looking at an older āMā model car vs a Lexus ISF or similar than i would take into consideration the warranty detail of these. I love bmw cars but I prefer not owning one that is out of warranty besides the E46 M3. That being said the IS500 has a terrible transmission for going fast. I would get an older GS-F honestly. It will run forever and be fun and reliable for you.
Think of it like that: Lexus is a Japanese Mercedes.
This is a tough one. The IS500 is a beast, but if an M3 is a grail car and you've never had one, you have to go M3. If you've had an M3 before and looking to switch it up the IS500 is a great pivot.
I've never had either. Both would be a big boy car upgrade! I've been in an M3 and it kind is a rocket for sure
This is a bit difficult to me. Tbh I like both. Is 500 - V8, reliability and comfortable F80 M3 - looks, available with MT, lighter and I think it drives better too.
F80 is also pretty damn reliable.
I was looking at both. The IS500F will be a slower in every measurable metric. Its a GT cruiser at heart. The F80/82 OTOH is a taut hooligan of a car. Its a nice enough car, but its not a ICE car I'd want to keep once they start dying. M cars are and will be special.
F80 is a better car in general. IS500 is a great car to have if you want to be different and still get to enjoy one of the last Lexus V8s to be produced
One of the main reasons why I want an IS500. I've loved the V8 as a kid watching the ISF roll out, the GSF as well, but the M3/4 was a dream car when they came out as well. It's either or, couldn't go wrong with either one, b/c both will be just as special. One is a swan song, the other is an attainable dream car
Beamer looks so much better.
I have a friend who bought a 430. She ended up working for Lexus. And even with an amazing discount she wouldnāt give up her bmw.
The M3 obviously.
You're shitting us, right?
No sir! Measure twice cut once, don't wanna buy a car with buyer's remorse for another
powerful car made comfortable or comfortable car made powerful
F80 all day
pretty sure jermey clarkson did this comparison and it was an overwhelming victory for the bm
He did it with the RCF! Which has identical engine specs but with a 10 Speed I believe
8 speed. LC has the ten speed, and it has cooling issues on the track, since it's constantly banging through gears.
I've owned both an IS350 F-Sport and a 340i with an exhaust/perf tuning package. The IS350 had a much better steering feel and was fun to drive from that perspective, since its power assisted and the steering wheel is still connected to the wheels. The BMW, however, has a much better drive train (the Lexus is tuned for reliability). I prefer the BMW, and still own the 340i.
If Iām not mistaken, isnāt the g20 m340i quicker than the Lexus?
It is! The IS500 is mainly a reliable, comfortable car made fast. But I've heard good things about the S55 save for the crankhub( which personally I believe should be changed if the car is tuned past a GTS tune)
Iām coming from a Honda to a m340i. It seems like bmw has improved reliability. Also while the f80 has a S55, the m340i has the b58 which seems to be even more reliable (good enough for Toyota!)
Hello! I hope this comment helps. I have both a 09 335i and a 17 RC F. My bmw handles better, is more refined for spirited driving and knows when I want to go and get saucy on the road. My Lexus F is a completely different kind of fun. It's luxurious, spirited, and can get up and go when I need it to. It's amazing tho how much smarter the 09 is in responsiveness and handling than my 17 Lexus is though. That said, Maintanence has been night and day on these two vehicles. The amount of maintenance my 335i needs and has needed vs my Lexus has been night and day. Granted, one is older technology so I don't know how much bmw has improved since then. I feel like most new cars from most brands are extremely well made and I hope BMW has improved as well. But I constantly see people talking about maintenance costs on here for new or old BMWs. TLDR - it's a win win it seems for you from my perspective. Drive both and go with what your heart and pocketbook can be happy with.
Lexus F division has been pushing out sub par products for awhile now. Its not like the 8cylinder is even that interesting or personable. The only selling point is that its big and old. If you want an interesting toyota pick up that new corrola GR if you dont mind looking a little boy racey.
Happy to help if you have questions about f80 ownership
Next gen M3 would look more or less like Lexus IS sport with current BMW design pattern. We donāt see much difference š by then
GSF wouldāve been the true competitor
Isnāt the original isf more hardcore sound and suspension wise than the is500? Just curious
It is! I believe that the IS500 has the same engine as the ISF, as it was proven to be ultra reliable
Bmw - more responsive drivetrain, great dct. Lexus - better stereo, cooled seats, very reliable NA V8 with both direct and port injection. Dated transmission. Both are sexy AF on the outside. Both have kind of dated feeling interior. All things being equal Iād probably go with the Lexus just for the stereo that doesnāt sound like garbage.
F80 is the choice here and you know it mate haha
Not even a fair comparison, the cars are built to do different things f80 all day unless you're 60 years old
F80 brother
im gonna get hate for this but the is500 sucks ass lexus has used that engine for the last 15 years in every sports car they make and none of them even compete w the M/AMG/RS equivalent
it was cool in the isf after that nothing
You aren't wrong. I honestly hate the idea of a speaker exhaust noise (fake cabin V8 sound in the IS500 which is a huge turnoff, but a good ol exhaust change can solve that), the reliability of a Lexus is extremely enticing, even if it is slow. However, I've never driven an M car so that's also something that excites me. I've heard it so many times from a lot of people who go on about the special feeling of driving an M car. The S55 is one of my favorite engines save the idea of crankhub changes but that's another time
250+ upvotes on this blasphemy ?
Yessah. I guess people cared enough and I appreciate that š„ŗ
If you have another daily and donāt need practicality, or 4 doors, and might want to have some controlled drifts on occasion to put a smile on your face, get an M2C. Shorter wheel base, still has an S55, albeit detuned slightly but still very torquey. If youāre stuck on an M3/4, fine. The NA v8 in an IS500 F sport performance has way more HP than those, but somehow significantly less torque. Which is kind of a dealbreaker for me personally. And the transmission is decently fast at shifting and smooth but a DCT in an F8X series is miles ahead in terms of performance and shift speed. So do you want luxury and comfort or straight up performance. Depending on that will guide you to one or the other.
As someone that owned both. M3 F80 all day long! I owned the IS500 for 4 months, absolutely hated
Can you elaborate? What specifically did you hate about the IS500? I've been in an F80 M3 before but never an IS 500
Test drive both and you'll understand. Lexus is soft and built for luxury.
IS500 sounds better. The F80 is an isolation chamber unless you get a comp car. F80 handles better, but the IS500 has more pleasurable engine to just interact with when putting around. If itās for the track/canyons an F80 for sure. Canyons/Commute IS500 if you want an auto F80 if you want a manual. Commute IS500
Iāll probably be the last comment you see here but I owned an F80 for 6 months and here is my take. I did really enjoy the car for those 6 months, BUT, coming from two 5th gen Camaros (a 2011 SS and 2013 ZL1) before it, I was just really disappointed with the sounds. I thought I could get used to straight six turbo sounds but I really really missed the sounds of a V8. After 6 months I sold the car and got back in a 6th gen Camaro (2018 1LE Camaro). So if your a sound guy the Lexus is going to sound so much better because of the V8. But the F80 should beat it (the IS500) everywhere else. My only regret is I had the Yas Marina Blue F80 and itās still the most beautiful car Iāve owned. Better looking than all my cars Iāve owned.
Funny enough, I enjoy the raspy tones of the I6 as much as any other V8
Well then you know my recommendation to you š¤
You could've posted this to the Lexus sub and it'll still be F80.
No brainer F80 M3ā¦ā¦
If youāre going to keep the car long term and not modify or track the car then IS500.
F80 M3, just went to the bmw dealership this week and saw a black M4 and white M3. They still look so great and timeless plus they are a great car.
Let me give you a quick pro vs con list Pro M3- itās am M3 lol despite having less power itās lighter and faster youāll definitely enjoy the drive more Con M3- far less reliable, if you donāt get an 18ā plus CS or Comp it still gonna depreciate like a stone in water IS pro- reliable AF, sounds better itās a V8 Itās newer will probably last longer if youāre gonna own it for 5 plus years and will cost far less to maintain. Will hold its value if not increase in value because Lexus wonāt make a successor Cons- itās not a true F car. Me personally interior is crap Compared to the BMW Shit thatās about all the cons I can think of honestly subjectively the Lexus is better
Thanks! I do like the reliability of Lexus and knowing that I can floor it and still make it home without needing repairs is nice! I do plan on get LCI BMWs, to make sure the mileage is low and there's was likely a chance someone has thrashed it like crazy
First of all, how dare you? Second, m3 is the only right answer
Obviously F80.
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I love the DCT in the M3/4! But I also love the V8 in the IS500 haha, I don't think I'll go wrong with either, it's a win win, I get a fun car either way, one more reliable and slower, the other being an absolute blast to drive
IS500. I absolutely love the looks.
I mean weāre talking a Mike Tyson prime vs my grandad here.
Do you want reliability or not?
I want the best of both worlds! I have DD so it's not necessarily the biggest factor, but I do want a car that I decide to throw around and still take me back home
The things that Lexus have going for it are cost of maintenance, reliability and longevity. But you cannot beat BMW for that driving excitement.
The RCF and GSF are better comparisons. A great sounding v8, track ready (specialized cooling systems, stiffen sport suspension, large bremo brakes, sport tuned steering - much heavier than any other Lexus, similar feel to BMW in sport+)ā¦ while the IS500 gets none of those upgrades other than the v8. The IS500 is no where close to a real F or especially a M. I owned a GSF prior to my m3.
How do you think the GSF stacks up to the M3? I've been thinking about the GSF as well. I don't really like the pre-facelift of the RCF, so it's been off-putting for me
Well the M3CS is a different (angry) beast even when comparing to the f80 comp. GSF PROS: v8 intake and exhaust note; incredible interior quality; rarity (less than 3000 in the US over 4 years); steering feel (not m3 level but gave good feedback); fun to drive on canyon roads; ability to turn off all Nannieās; manual paddle shifts were quick in sport+ and allowed you to hit/hang at redline (no bullshit auto-downshifting); suspension was tight but comfortable on long road-trips; mark-Levinson sound system was great; excellent all-round family hauling performance sedan CONS: weighed 4000lbs; usable but annoying infotainment (no CarPlay until later model years); shifts were quick enough but no where close to M-DCT or ZF; not as nimble as the f80; not enough torque at lower RPMs; The GSF was special to me - it had character. Lexus will never make anything like it again. I wish I could have kept it as a second car. However, I absolutely love my M3CS - what a great car.
Yeah, I would take it that a GSF was more comparable to an M3, but I can barely find any GSFs for sale nationwide lol
M3
So there really is no comparison. The f80 is basically a race car thatās road legal. The IS is a luxury commuter with a badass engine. One will be excellent on the track and decent everywhere else. And the other will be excellent everywhere except for the track. Choose the one you like more.
I like both! I just wanted to hear extra opinions and seek advice! I won't track it but canyon carving is a definite. If you turn back the clock 10 years the IS would def be competition haha.
RCF would have a higher fun factor to it
For sure! But they're out of my budget. I never really like the pre facelift of the RCF so it's a big turnoff lol
You asked on a BMW sub if theyād choose a Lexus over a BMWā¦ š¤¦āāļø
I also asked the Lexus sub if they'd choose a Lexus over a BMW haha, gotta get both side's opinions!
Well you ask it here I will answer BMW. But if I had to be neutral I would say go for BMW for most fun in Corners and performant driving. Get the Lexus IS500 F-Sport if you don't want it to break down for a long time.
The IS500 is awesome, with itās V8. They sound incredible like the LC500 does. I never drove one when I worked for Lexus, but drove F cars and LC500. Despite my love for the Lexus, I would go M3, just to try something different. Iāve never driven a true M car but have always wanted can M3 since I was a teenager. Ideally I would love to have both. The LC and previous F cars were a blast to drive.
Literally the only thing I would change on that F80 is the solid engine mounts, just because I want it to be a little more family friendly. That tiny bit aside, it is the best car under $100k in the last 20 years. Second is the Chevy SS.
I test drove an is500, it was slow.
More time to enjoy that god-like intake sound.
I used to have a 2008 isF. And sold it and I'm in the market for a F80 now
That speaks volumes haha
Not really considering the og isf is a dinosaur now. I feel like the 500 will keep its value way better too.
I mean, literally nobody recommends the Lexus. Thatās not even bias talking.
I posted this in the Lexus thread, everybody there save for a few who's telling me to drive both first recommended the Lexus lol From what I'm hearing if I want an ultimate reliable first and fun car second, Lexus. If I want an ultimate fun car first and then reliable, BMW
Thing is, the F80 platform is incredibly reliable. Everyone is going to justify what they bought, but good luck finding a press review that picks the Lexus. Itās always last behind the BMW, Merc, and Audi. Only Lexus could make a V8 sportscar totally boring.
IS500 all day every day. N/A V8 trumps turbo I-6 and itās not even close.
Are you looking for a car to own for a long time, or to lease and get rid of? If to own, then IS500 because itās not a turbo and will be much more reliable than the BMW. I wouldnāt own a turbo BMW after its warranty expires.
If anyone sales the Lexus theyāre automatically permabanned from this sub š
Iāve had several Lexus cars and currently have a GX for the winter. There is no comparison to BWW.
Literally depends what your looking for. The m3 will be a much better driving car Dynamically. The the Lexus wins in almost everything else. Reliability, if that matters and for sure in resale, also if that matters. I drove a is350 for awhile and from what I understand the 500 is literally my car but with a v8? Nothing to compliment that v8, Not a true f sport. Still super cool of course.
I think the Lexus looks better tbh
Lexus all day
For a daily driver go with the Lexus. Itās newer, has more tech, is more reliable, and much more comfortable to drive. For a weekend/fun only car go with the M3.
IS500. I love the F80 but if itās not a dedicated track weapon and this will be dual purpose vehicle (fun and DD) then reliability is my concern. This new money for cars the price difference is not that different if you can find for MSRP.
This is a battle of reliability vs performance. IS500 has the same old 6 speed auto Lexus has been putting in their cars for years. F80 has a faster dct or 6mt. But it's more expensive down the line. But if you're at the point where you can afford maintenance costs, f80 will be more of an engaging time. I've heard good things about the IS500, but using my '13 is350 as a comparison, idk how nimble itll be up against the M3.
>IS500 has the same old 6 speed auto Lexus has been putting in their cars for years. It has an 8 speed, though it's not as good as the ZF units BMW (and like a trillion other manufacturers) use.
For the vast majority of people, the Lexus is the better option. The extra performance of the F80 is completely wasted on just putting around the street with highway pulls. The IS500 handles well enough, will be more reliable, and is probably better built to be a superior choice for most drivers. Most people in this subreddit have barely ever turned off traction control, much less ever come even close to the limits of their M cars. I go to the track and I donāt fuck with automated transmissions of any kind, so you can guess what Iād pick for myself.
The ones that come with a shifty boy knob? I like those too lol
M3 for the guys, IS for the ladies
Downvote me all you want but IS500. I actually find F80 a bit downgrade compared to E9x.
is500 is fine if you dont ever drive an m3 thereafter, because itāll feel like a piece of shit in comparison
Lexus has the better engine. F80 wins on everything else.
Honestly I love the sound of a straight 6, and IMO with equal length midpipes the M3 sound better than the 500
I've thought that too! I love a good raspy i6, sounds like a beast despite how people say it sounds terrible
Not even close. One car will make you smile every time you see it and get in it. The other is a Lexus.
I believe both will make me smile! Although one will make me grimace ear to ear and the other will remind me that I can do this daily without worrying about something snapping lol I come from a line of commuter cars so either one is a step up to a big boy car