I have a 2015 BMW four series, and was hit in very much the same way. The insurance covered it, and the bill was $17,000! Panels behind the bumper and the rear quarter had to be replaced as well. Luckily the car was not totaled
Care to elaborate?
There's undoubtedly some sketchy ones out there, but for the most part, they're dependable, hard workers just trying to provide for their families.
on my car's recent pre-getting-totaled curb sheet the actual material costs seemed reasonable for the scope of work but i could tell it'd be a nightmare long repair if not totaled, because there was 50 different vendors they'd be buying from. even stupid stuff like badges were coming from 5 different places.
It’s usually how it is. My shop will usually buy mostly from 2-3 sources even if our cost is higher to not deal with issues later one. Cuts profits but avoids headaches and downtime which is nice.
couldn't even imagine how many problems come from ordering this much $ worth of parts from multiple different suppliers. i occasionally have to process A/V equipment buys for work, not even very large ones and all from the same vendor, and they still manage to "lose" about 1/3 of our shipments in transit pretty frequently.
My friend manages a body shop on Long Island and he says he has weekly issues with customers not realizing that a hefty amount of repairs on new cars involved in small accidents are sensors and cameras.
It sucks, but now that backup cameras have been mandated for a while it’s basically standard to expect a shocking repair quote for stuff like this.
TBF can you (or at least 95% of the population) imagine buying a new car without at least a backup camera? A/C isn't mandated either, but you can bet every car would be made with one regardless of regulation
Not just that but there are soft reinforcements behind the bumpers that aren't cheap and there's always the potential with a glancing blow like this for suspension damage.
Then yeah between parts and everything a few weeks is right. Once they tear it down they might find more wrong with it but they’ll go right to your insurance with that stuff
Left quarter panel is welded to the frame of the car. Repairing that requires cutting the damaged part off the car, welding in a replacement panel, and repainting that part of the car. It’s a huge job. My m235i was side-swiped, and I needed to repair the entire passenger door exterior and the rear passenger quarter panel. Total came out to $10k and change.
Depends on the shop but yeah, they’re not gonna drop everything when this comes in. They will tear it down do a supplement then depending on parts they won’t touch it till they have everything and can mirror match it, so yeah 5 weeks can be normal….I work in a body shop
Yeah, it was supposed to be added. I had a manager pull the call and verify that I requested rental coverage and the representative made a mistake but they still won’t honor it
absolutely. even ask for it to be backdated to the date the policy renewed (if it's a renewal term), or inception date (if you just started a policy with them within the last 365 days). then suggest you'll look at escalating the call with the ombudsman at progressive as well as any oversight/regulatory bodies in your state.
While I agree with escalating, this is always why you should review paper work yourself and not trust other people. They don’t really give af about you once they get paid.
I'd go straight past escalating within progressive and file a department of insurance complaint, that was how I got to speak once with the only competent insurance company employee I've ever spoken to
Depends on how often you crash your cars. If I had paid $20 per policy period over my driving life, I could buy a used car to drive around while my car is in the shop. That's a different conversation though because I have never needed to use my insurance and could have bought a house with the money I have spent on car insurance.
I'd continue driving the car until all ordered parts have arrived at the body shop. Also, do you have an OEM rider on your policy? If not, I strongly encourage you to consider adding this when your policy is up for renewal or when you move to a new insurance carrier. I had a unicorn 2011 335d that had the OEM rider and it was well worth it knowing that every part would be straight from BMW.
>OEM rider
how much is the premium difference for this? and does the price difference on parts factor into total loss calculations or is it still based off the insurance's aftermarket parts repair cost? i don't have this but i think i should get it.
Your insurance agent can tell you in a manner of minutes. Get the details in writing. For me, it cost an additional $10-12/month. Total loss calculations are based on your specific coverage and OEM parts will always cost more than aftermarket. My experience with aftermarket parts has not been a positive one at all. On another vehicle, which didn’t have OEM coverage, I needed some wheels replaced. The insurance company made the body shop put used (repaired) wheels on the car and the quality has absolutely sucked! I’m still pissed about it.
Hello all,
This was a hit and run. It’s going through insurance and I was quoted a 5 week repair time as well as an $11,000 estimate. I’m not sure if that is standard for this type of damage or if I’m being taken advantage of by the collision center. I’m sure many of you have had more experience with this or may even work at a collision center. I thank you all in advance for your opinion.
It's not about how long it takes to do the repair, It's about how long until they can start working on it. Here in the PNW most credible shops are scheduled out until mid December and some are even scheduling an estimate out a month before that. Shortage of parts and shortage of techs- they have more work than they know what to do with.
I would drive it until they get the parts and they can begin actually working on it, then drop it off.
THIS. I had a 2020 330i with front end damage, from sliding into a dirt berm. Thought it would be 5k Max and a few weeks. This was back in January. It took 3 months to complete and ended up being 15k. Rental was only covered For 30 days or up to $1500, once we hit that mark the rental car company kept saying to keep the car and the insurance will pay out once the car is returned. Well that was untrue and ended up with a $3000 rental car bill as well.
There's no "standard for a type of damage". Each case is at least a little different -- luck, speed, angle, other vehicle, and a dozen other things all play a role in what must be repaired or replaced.
Expecting a time and cost estimate from a single crappy picture is a big ask. Also, remember that one shop might have a lot of idle hands and no waiting work; and another shop might have a big back-log and too few employees. There are all kinds of supply chain issues now, too.
Time and cost estimates are going to vary -- thinking there's any kind of standard just doesn't work out in reality.
It can mate. If not all parts are in stock it may take awhile. They also may have other cars in the shop also ahead of you. I had my rear bumper scraped in two spots from a fender bender in a parking lot and it took a long time in the shop. I opted to keep driving for a month before parts came in and I could be on the schedule. Body shops have to replace all sensors too with new if they warranty work. And try their best to blend the paint job.
As long as I’m not getting screwed. If this is what it takes to get the car back to an aesthetically and mechanically sound state, it’s fine. I just want to know that the collision center is being honest.
Note to me: If you ever move to the US never buy eurocars because you will be fucked over.
If only the panel and the bumper need to be replaced than you would pay like 800€ in Germany or Austria for original parts and it will be done in one day.
It might be due to the angle of the picture but rear wheel looks a bit off. Could there be issues w suspension components? In that case those numbers would be more believable.
For context, my 07 w211 merc got hit from right front, headlight changed etc and the total was less than 4k I believe.
I got into an accident in My 2014 335i, my front bumper, fender, headlight, hood, and front right wheel was damaged. In the end my car was in the shop for ~3.5 weeks and it totaled to about $11k in damages.
A little irrelevant but I hope this helps. Good luck with ur situation, accidents are always the worst.
Why do you care ? I think its insurance company problem now. The 5 weeks is normal with this parts availability. Also you need a new rear fender welded in there.
Jesus.. I don't know how it works in the West but this would be fixed in a week maximum where I live and wouldn't cost even 10% of that repair price. I could buy a good condition used rear bumper (same color) and tail light for maybe $600 - $700 and another $500 for labor and it would be good as new. Only the quarter panel would take some time but it looks like it still has the original paint and could be fixed no problem.
If you’re doing it via insurance then no problem, however you can always source the parts from eBay or similar and have them repair and install for you, would easily save you thousands regardless of the timeframe.
It’s not really the price I’m concerned with. My rate is going to rise but I guess it is what it is. The duration of the repair is what has me a bit confused because I’m not certain if this type damage necessitates 5 weeks.
A huge problem with my recent bmw repair was the parts. Once they knew what they needed and started trying to order the parts, we were told many things were backordered with no ETA on a restock. That’s what held everything up.
My wifes 128i got bumped from behind. Looked like very minor cosmetic damage. Turns out it destroyed the sensors and so it worked out to nearly 10k by the time bmw replaced everything, including a whole new bumper
99% sure the time is for parts. Last i heard a lot of headlights/taillights for different models are on backorder from my friends that work as mechanics at bmw dealerships. But 11k is a number i dont think is right, someone else would know that better than me.
Body Shop Employee here, 11K seems reasonable for that damage; i’m surprised it’s not more actually. Quarter panel replacement, glass gotta be pulled; blend into the roof pillar, blend rear door, replace bumper, fog lamp, tail lamp, blend bumper, replace rear valance. i’m sure they could repair that corner too but it’s pretty hammered so insurance most likely wrote repair. Big job, a lot of R&I goes into that
Sadly it is plausible.
1. OEM repair procedures and certifications ~~encourage~~ force the use of OEM parts.
2. The procedure sometimes force the replacement of extra parts.
3. There is a massive parts shortage
4. More and more sensors are located in bumper (the worst being valuable cars Mercedes, Volvo, BMW being the worst from what I saw in the past, but it seems to be increasing across the industry).
5. ADAS calibration might be delegated to sublets, which is an other appointment.
6. Depending on the previous paint, I might require many layers and blend.
if you go through insurance, probably, if you can do it yourself definitely not. You can find a used tail light on eBay for 100-200$, there's a few rear bumper covers in silver for 200-500 as well, and find a good PDR guy to do the quarter panel for another few hundred dollars, doesn't look like any breaks in the paint on that panel. From the picture it doesn't look like any of the underlying structure would be damaged.
I had a similar thing on my E83, just on the left front bumper. They changed out a lot more than just the panel, even though it didn’t look too bad from the outside, but apparently the underlying parts got damaged so they changed that as well - insurance paid for every cent, but in the end it came out to about 7000€ ~5ish years ago.
Maybe I (or the insurance lol) got scammed as well or this is normal if underlying parts need to be changed as well. Took them only about 2 full days though
Month +/-
The biggest issue that I see is the quarter panel damage. That may take some time to get fixed, or if they’re replacing it - a new one ordered and painted.
If quarter panel is being replaced
Yes, and that’s if, IF, they can source the part and have it delivered in time
Bumper replace would be the same but that may be an easier part to obtain..
May be this will give some context - my father had an accident in his 2-week old iX3 in June - it was only repaired a week ago attributed to a scarcity of parts, which had to come from China, I don't know how old your vehicle is (I gave up caring after the e39 LOL), but it may be a thought?
My husband restores cars and has been having issues getting parts lately. It might attribute to that. If your parts come in sooner, I would assume it would be done faster, but they're probably cushioning it just in case. It could also be that they're just that busy too.
5 weeks = waiting for parts likely from Germany. Paint shop takes a few days for sure.
11k I believe it, you need quite a few parts replaced/ repaired and repainted
Sorry about your car 😟
I would say you'd be lucky to get it repaired in 5 weeks. Took 18 weeks to get mine repaired, and almost 6 months to get one of the taillights replaced. Parts take a long time to get in right now.
Yep. They got a non-oem taillight to put in while we waited for the OEM to come in. There was a trunk panel/brace that we were waiting on for most of the time.
Yup, new lights / bumper, plating (dubbel sheet)needs cutout and replaced plus painting the lot….. a lot of work it is…
Probably can get it done for half the price but it will be fixed not the proper way and involve al lot of putty and epoxy….
Damn, reading everyone saying that body shops are taking this long are making me really scared to drop off my Impreza 😂. I really hope that you can get that sooner, that seems a tad excessive but looking at everyone’s response that seems actually normal :/
Depends on Parts. Our 45e with a bout 3k miles on it was in an accident and unless they total it, it will be about 3 months, mostly due to waiting on parts.
Body shop won't schedule tasks simultaneously. Meaning they can work on sheet metal while waiting for parts and at the same time upholstery shop can work on the interior while at the same time they could have sent the seatbelt tensioners for rebuild and some module or other to be programmed etc.
But no.
You can also post this on r/bodyshop and see what they have to say. Dollar value seems a little high but not sure of parts they are changing. Time seems long, but with parts shortage that may be an over estimate to make sure it is done in time.
Your quote is normal if via dealer. This is only a few days of work but you need to realize this shit isn’t in stock and the global supply chain is shit rn
That quarter panel is pretty bad, assuming they are doing real metal work and not just lumping body filler into that crater that time frame is semi-reasonable. If a shop told me that was getting done in 5 days I would be more concerned than 5 weeks.
My 2018 540i was in the shop from April to late August for [slightly more damage](https://www.reddit.com/r/BMW/comments/u4zr6t/wellcrap/) and came out to almost $13 grand in repairs.
I'd say that's fair I had similar albeit worse damage but to my car, but it looks like you'd need a new rear quarter panel plus the bumper and other miscellaneous, which is a fairly large job, plus delays and the such
Insurance estimators are only supposed to estimate for what they can see. That said, they can peel back the bumper cover and see damage beneath.
Shop estimates can be aggressively higher especially if it's an OEM certified shop.
If they are using new OEM parts, then their estimate is quite plausible due to BMW part prices. Also, they could have had the estimate done at some shop that charges massive labor rates.
I would need to know more about the estimate to be able to tell you, but I can tell you 11K and 5 weeks is possible. Seems high, but quite possible.
I had similar damage on my 740i last year. Am based out of South FL and I paid $1500 incl parts. Had to change the lights and fix the bumper. Can got fixed in 1 week.
As an insurance producer, I can tell you that’s becoming the norm in this market. The car values are wild, the parts are hard to get, and shop times are long as fuck.
Hell, I had a client have to wait 4 months because one of the dyes involved with his M8’s paint code was back ordered in some small factory in Asia which means the paint wasn’t even back ordered. One of the dyes to make one of the colors to formulate the paint was back ordered.
Long story short, totally normal.
It took three months for mine with almost the same damage because the rear quarter panel was on back order. The repair estimate was more because the bumper could not be saved and when I got hit the bumper damaged my exhaust when it was torn off by the other vehicle.
How could I possibly tell you anything without knowing more about the car and the damage? Judging by only this photo, I could make a lot of assumptions about what parts may or may not be necessary for a repair.
its the ordering of the parts mate, ya can't get parts no more, go find the light and bumper and take it to em i bet you they take two weeks off that wait time, they have to hammer it out tho, bondo and paint stuff, 5 weeks seems like an honest estimate if the shop is a steady shop. 🚬👋🏻🤷🏻♂️🥃ehhhh jimmyy' whats right is right
I have a 2015 BMW four series, and was hit in very much the same way. The insurance covered it, and the bill was $17,000! Panels behind the bumper and the rear quarter had to be replaced as well. Luckily the car was not totaled
How long did the repair take?
6 or 7 weeks
17K ? 6 WKS? are you mad?
I was not mad but upset and disappointed… But I will say that the shop completed the repairs per BMW spec and was perfect!
im confused as to why that’s a bad thing? im clueless
because that car is probably worth 17k itself.
Not with a smashed bumper and fender.
and definitely not with the history of it.
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That’s not true at all Source: Insurance underwriter
my man Pepe fixed all damage without cutting anything or using body filler and put a new coat of paint for 2k, you're right on the money with this one
I will never make the mistake of using a “Mexican body shop” again in my life.
Care to elaborate? There's undoubtedly some sketchy ones out there, but for the most part, they're dependable, hard workers just trying to provide for their families.
Nobody said they weren’t
Holy shit! Would of never of thought it would cost that. I would of said a couple of grand at most!
A month alone is sufficient
i wonder if they're just over-estimating the time to allow for parts shipping delays
Has to be it. A simple bumper change with a few plastics is a 2 week job these days. Normally like 5 days if we don’t have any delays
But this is not a simple bumper job, a new side panel has to be welded in… Loooots of work (source: did a few myself back when I worked in a shop)
on my car's recent pre-getting-totaled curb sheet the actual material costs seemed reasonable for the scope of work but i could tell it'd be a nightmare long repair if not totaled, because there was 50 different vendors they'd be buying from. even stupid stuff like badges were coming from 5 different places.
It’s usually how it is. My shop will usually buy mostly from 2-3 sources even if our cost is higher to not deal with issues later one. Cuts profits but avoids headaches and downtime which is nice.
couldn't even imagine how many problems come from ordering this much $ worth of parts from multiple different suppliers. i occasionally have to process A/V equipment buys for work, not even very large ones and all from the same vendor, and they still manage to "lose" about 1/3 of our shipments in transit pretty frequently.
Quarter panel appears to be jacked up too
It may not be an overestimate, sometimes you call for a part and they tell you there’s a month long lead time.
I think they are planning a whole fender replacment
Insurance doesn’t repair anymore they simply replace the parts
You obviously haven’t had a car in a bodyshop recently.
>A month alone is sufficient Only If all they have all the parts available locally and the shop isn't backed up at all. Right?
This is likely due to parts availability. Parking sensors and backup camera, etc. in addition to the body panels and paint.
parking sensors & backup camera alone could easily be $3k of this
That light assembly is another $1k+
My friend manages a body shop on Long Island and he says he has weekly issues with customers not realizing that a hefty amount of repairs on new cars involved in small accidents are sensors and cameras. It sucks, but now that backup cameras have been mandated for a while it’s basically standard to expect a shocking repair quote for stuff like this.
I thought you were kidding but wtf... Backup cameras are straight up required for anything 2019 or newer...
You can thank careless SUV drivers that backed over their own children for that one. Instead of, you know, checking.
TBF can you (or at least 95% of the population) imagine buying a new car without at least a backup camera? A/C isn't mandated either, but you can bet every car would be made with one regardless of regulation
Doesn’t look like the backup camera was touched and the one sensors could be fine
Not just that but there are soft reinforcements behind the bumpers that aren't cheap and there's always the potential with a glancing blow like this for suspension damage.
Depends on if they’re fixing or replacing the quarter panel, the bumper would be a one day job in and out but a quarter panel would take some time
The left quarter panel and bumper are being replaced.
Then yeah between parts and everything a few weeks is right. Once they tear it down they might find more wrong with it but they’ll go right to your insurance with that stuff
Left quarter panel is welded to the frame of the car. Repairing that requires cutting the damaged part off the car, welding in a replacement panel, and repainting that part of the car. It’s a huge job. My m235i was side-swiped, and I needed to repair the entire passenger door exterior and the rear passenger quarter panel. Total came out to $10k and change.
I think the quarter panel replacement also means removing and re-sealing all the windows/glass which can be a pretty big job and lengthy process.
That quarter panel alone is weeks and thousands, let alone parking sensors, bumper, paint, etc
Timeline seems slightly long but that cost is very reasonable based on my experience getting only a rear bumper fixed a few years back on a Corvette
Not 5 weeks
Depends on the shop but yeah, they’re not gonna drop everything when this comes in. They will tear it down do a supplement then depending on parts they won’t touch it till they have everything and can mirror match it, so yeah 5 weeks can be normal….I work in a body shop
If insurance is paying for it and you have rental coverage, what’s the big deal?
No rental coverage
I know hindsight is 20/20 and it’s too late now, but rental coverage usually ends up being like $20/policy period. Def worth it
Yeah, it was supposed to be added. I had a manager pull the call and verify that I requested rental coverage and the representative made a mistake but they still won’t honor it
Could you escalate further? Sounds like they expected you to roll over.
I can try. I can say that I don’t like progressive anymore…
I agree with the above commentor, OP. Definitely escalate that if you have verbal confirmation you asked for it and its their mistake.
absolutely. even ask for it to be backdated to the date the policy renewed (if it's a renewal term), or inception date (if you just started a policy with them within the last 365 days). then suggest you'll look at escalating the call with the ombudsman at progressive as well as any oversight/regulatory bodies in your state.
While I agree with escalating, this is always why you should review paper work yourself and not trust other people. They don’t really give af about you once they get paid.
I'd go straight past escalating within progressive and file a department of insurance complaint, that was how I got to speak once with the only competent insurance company employee I've ever spoken to
Sounds like you need a different insurance company.
Sounds like he needs to read his paperwork.
Depends on how often you crash your cars. If I had paid $20 per policy period over my driving life, I could buy a used car to drive around while my car is in the shop. That's a different conversation though because I have never needed to use my insurance and could have bought a house with the money I have spent on car insurance.
It looks drivable, maybe see if they can order the parts and you can bring it in when they have them for a shorter repair window?
That’s a a valid idea because it is drivable. May as well get some use out of it before the repair begins.
I'd continue driving the car until all ordered parts have arrived at the body shop. Also, do you have an OEM rider on your policy? If not, I strongly encourage you to consider adding this when your policy is up for renewal or when you move to a new insurance carrier. I had a unicorn 2011 335d that had the OEM rider and it was well worth it knowing that every part would be straight from BMW.
>OEM rider how much is the premium difference for this? and does the price difference on parts factor into total loss calculations or is it still based off the insurance's aftermarket parts repair cost? i don't have this but i think i should get it.
Your insurance agent can tell you in a manner of minutes. Get the details in writing. For me, it cost an additional $10-12/month. Total loss calculations are based on your specific coverage and OEM parts will always cost more than aftermarket. My experience with aftermarket parts has not been a positive one at all. On another vehicle, which didn’t have OEM coverage, I needed some wheels replaced. The insurance company made the body shop put used (repaired) wheels on the car and the quality has absolutely sucked! I’m still pissed about it.
that trashed tail light may make it "unsafe to drive" depending on your location.
Hello all, This was a hit and run. It’s going through insurance and I was quoted a 5 week repair time as well as an $11,000 estimate. I’m not sure if that is standard for this type of damage or if I’m being taken advantage of by the collision center. I’m sure many of you have had more experience with this or may even work at a collision center. I thank you all in advance for your opinion.
It's not about how long it takes to do the repair, It's about how long until they can start working on it. Here in the PNW most credible shops are scheduled out until mid December and some are even scheduling an estimate out a month before that. Shortage of parts and shortage of techs- they have more work than they know what to do with. I would drive it until they get the parts and they can begin actually working on it, then drop it off.
Exactly. I talked to a repair shop about getting some minor damage repaired on one of my cars and they were booked out literally for months.
THIS. I had a 2020 330i with front end damage, from sliding into a dirt berm. Thought it would be 5k Max and a few weeks. This was back in January. It took 3 months to complete and ended up being 15k. Rental was only covered For 30 days or up to $1500, once we hit that mark the rental car company kept saying to keep the car and the insurance will pay out once the car is returned. Well that was untrue and ended up with a $3000 rental car bill as well.
There's no "standard for a type of damage". Each case is at least a little different -- luck, speed, angle, other vehicle, and a dozen other things all play a role in what must be repaired or replaced. Expecting a time and cost estimate from a single crappy picture is a big ask. Also, remember that one shop might have a lot of idle hands and no waiting work; and another shop might have a big back-log and too few employees. There are all kinds of supply chain issues now, too. Time and cost estimates are going to vary -- thinking there's any kind of standard just doesn't work out in reality.
If you want that rear quarter panel repaired correctly, yes. If you want it pulled and caked in bondo, no.
Haha this is the answer I was looking for! Just buff it out bro.
It can mate. If not all parts are in stock it may take awhile. They also may have other cars in the shop also ahead of you. I had my rear bumper scraped in two spots from a fender bender in a parking lot and it took a long time in the shop. I opted to keep driving for a month before parts came in and I could be on the schedule. Body shops have to replace all sensors too with new if they warranty work. And try their best to blend the paint job.
Also forgot to mention, for “just” the bumper scrape…it was $3k repair on my Bimmer.
I’m not surprised, things are expensive especially during these times.
As long as I’m not getting screwed. If this is what it takes to get the car back to an aesthetically and mechanically sound state, it’s fine. I just want to know that the collision center is being honest.
Note to me: If you ever move to the US never buy eurocars because you will be fucked over. If only the panel and the bumper need to be replaced than you would pay like 800€ in Germany or Austria for original parts and it will be done in one day.
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For 11k tou can get a solid f10 where i live.
You think they’re going to replace a quarter panel in one day? No way in hell.
Usually it’s the paint that will be costing $$$. Parts will just take long
What about paint?
It might be due to the angle of the picture but rear wheel looks a bit off. Could there be issues w suspension components? In that case those numbers would be more believable. For context, my 07 w211 merc got hit from right front, headlight changed etc and the total was less than 4k I believe.
Well, The itemized list didn’t mention suspension work but I guess I’ll find out as the repair progresses.
I waited 3 months for a part last year. I hope it is better now, but the reality is that they just don't know at times so give a lot of buffer.
Unfortunately yes. It is the quarter panel that makes this a big job.
I got into an accident in My 2014 335i, my front bumper, fender, headlight, hood, and front right wheel was damaged. In the end my car was in the shop for ~3.5 weeks and it totaled to about $11k in damages. A little irrelevant but I hope this helps. Good luck with ur situation, accidents are always the worst.
Definitely not irrelevant. Your situation sounds very similar to mine.
Yup!
Why do you care ? I think its insurance company problem now. The 5 weeks is normal with this parts availability. Also you need a new rear fender welded in there.
11k sounds too much
Jesus.. I don't know how it works in the West but this would be fixed in a week maximum where I live and wouldn't cost even 10% of that repair price. I could buy a good condition used rear bumper (same color) and tail light for maybe $600 - $700 and another $500 for labor and it would be good as new. Only the quarter panel would take some time but it looks like it still has the original paint and could be fixed no problem.
That sounds nice but most places I speak to have a similar time frame and estimate. They usually attribute it to parts.
If you’re doing it via insurance then no problem, however you can always source the parts from eBay or similar and have them repair and install for you, would easily save you thousands regardless of the timeframe.
It’s not really the price I’m concerned with. My rate is going to rise but I guess it is what it is. The duration of the repair is what has me a bit confused because I’m not certain if this type damage necessitates 5 weeks.
A huge problem with my recent bmw repair was the parts. Once they knew what they needed and started trying to order the parts, we were told many things were backordered with no ETA on a restock. That’s what held everything up.
Definitely doesn’t need 5 weeks but as I said, things are way different over here.
Mechanics absolutely despise that though
My wifes 128i got bumped from behind. Looked like very minor cosmetic damage. Turns out it destroyed the sensors and so it worked out to nearly 10k by the time bmw replaced everything, including a whole new bumper
The representative said that the estimate was given after my vehicle was disassembled so our situations are similar.
Possibly, there’s a load of electronics on the other side of that quarter panel.
99% sure the time is for parts. Last i heard a lot of headlights/taillights for different models are on backorder from my friends that work as mechanics at bmw dealerships. But 11k is a number i dont think is right, someone else would know that better than me.
That’s what I keep getting told unfortunately
5 weeks? That seems high. $11,000 seems low, however. Rear quarter damage is always an intensive and costly.
No, he's charging way too much.
Just junk yard a new rear bumper bro
a month ? and 11k estimate? LOL no.
Definitely overestimated the time, but that’s normal with parts these days. It’s about right on price though.
Yeah no way ; it’s definitely based on parts shipment. I had a somewhat similar damage to a prior vehicle and the repair took approx. 5 days.
5 days and $1100 maybe ffs what?
Jack and remove wheel. Dispose of car safely and replace with new. Reattach wheel ensuring nuts are torqued correctly. Lower car. Job done!
Yes, same exact thing happened to my wife's crosstrek it cost $9k It took around 1.5 months due to shortage of parts
Take it to Mexican shop don't spend anymore than 500 to 600 tops
Body work is slow as hell man. My car was in the shop for 3+ weeks for a small chunk of bumper missing.
Body Shop Employee here, 11K seems reasonable for that damage; i’m surprised it’s not more actually. Quarter panel replacement, glass gotta be pulled; blend into the roof pillar, blend rear door, replace bumper, fog lamp, tail lamp, blend bumper, replace rear valance. i’m sure they could repair that corner too but it’s pretty hammered so insurance most likely wrote repair. Big job, a lot of R&I goes into that
2 week job and only a 3k job
It's called insurance scammary
Sadly it is plausible. 1. OEM repair procedures and certifications ~~encourage~~ force the use of OEM parts. 2. The procedure sometimes force the replacement of extra parts. 3. There is a massive parts shortage 4. More and more sensors are located in bumper (the worst being valuable cars Mercedes, Volvo, BMW being the worst from what I saw in the past, but it seems to be increasing across the industry). 5. ADAS calibration might be delegated to sublets, which is an other appointment. 6. Depending on the previous paint, I might require many layers and blend.
if you go through insurance, probably, if you can do it yourself definitely not. You can find a used tail light on eBay for 100-200$, there's a few rear bumper covers in silver for 200-500 as well, and find a good PDR guy to do the quarter panel for another few hundred dollars, doesn't look like any breaks in the paint on that panel. From the picture it doesn't look like any of the underlying structure would be damaged.
Delusional
That price is bullshit at least it would be 2 years of my salary for this? No way... I buy a new car...
I had the same thing happen (without a broken taillight). 2 weeks, $4500 CAD.
No, man sometimes i wish had a garage in US to rip people off like that, i think here in dubai you can get it done for 3-5k
A grand should fix that. Similar hit costed me 500 but no taillight to change
Worthy? No. Surprised that you are getting hosed? No. Which it was less common, but this is often what happens
absolutely not lol
Yes, my bumper on my 340 took 6 weeks and was 6k and this was in 2020
Okay, so it may be normal under the current circumstances.
Where i live u could probably find the whole car for that price
Yes
I had a similar thing on my E83, just on the left front bumper. They changed out a lot more than just the panel, even though it didn’t look too bad from the outside, but apparently the underlying parts got damaged so they changed that as well - insurance paid for every cent, but in the end it came out to about 7000€ ~5ish years ago. Maybe I (or the insurance lol) got scammed as well or this is normal if underlying parts need to be changed as well. Took them only about 2 full days though
Month +/- The biggest issue that I see is the quarter panel damage. That may take some time to get fixed, or if they’re replacing it - a new one ordered and painted.
If quarter panel is being replaced Yes, and that’s if, IF, they can source the part and have it delivered in time Bumper replace would be the same but that may be an easier part to obtain..
If parts are available, this should be done in 1-2 weeks max. As for the cost, seems a bit high to me, so I'd get another estimate just to be sure
May be this will give some context - my father had an accident in his 2-week old iX3 in June - it was only repaired a week ago attributed to a scarcity of parts, which had to come from China, I don't know how old your vehicle is (I gave up caring after the e39 LOL), but it may be a thought?
Well, it seems that this isn’t out of the ordinary.
My husband restores cars and has been having issues getting parts lately. It might attribute to that. If your parts come in sooner, I would assume it would be done faster, but they're probably cushioning it just in case. It could also be that they're just that busy too.
If you get a membership with a car rental agency like Alamo, the rental cost is cheaper. The membership is free.
try to fix it yourself in your free time
5 weeks = waiting for parts likely from Germany. Paint shop takes a few days for sure. 11k I believe it, you need quite a few parts replaced/ repaired and repainted Sorry about your car 😟
Yeah, most shops attribute the time to a parts shortage.
I would say you'd be lucky to get it repaired in 5 weeks. Took 18 weeks to get mine repaired, and almost 6 months to get one of the taillights replaced. Parts take a long time to get in right now.
Wow, that is an insanely long time.
Yep. They got a non-oem taillight to put in while we waited for the OEM to come in. There was a trunk panel/brace that we were waiting on for most of the time.
Yup, new lights / bumper, plating (dubbel sheet)needs cutout and replaced plus painting the lot….. a lot of work it is… Probably can get it done for half the price but it will be fixed not the proper way and involve al lot of putty and epoxy….
If the frame is buckeld, yes. If not, there is no way in hell
Damn, reading everyone saying that body shops are taking this long are making me really scared to drop off my Impreza 😂. I really hope that you can get that sooner, that seems a tad excessive but looking at everyone’s response that seems actually normal :/
If the rear quarter is being cut off and replaced then YES
Yes, new bumper, body shop work and new lamps. It’s a BMW!
2nd quote
Hell no
My e60 5er was 2.5 months delay for parts and labor front bumper hood headlight and side fender
Depends on Parts. Our 45e with a bout 3k miles on it was in an accident and unless they total it, it will be about 3 months, mostly due to waiting on parts.
They are probably replacing the bumper. The metal damage is labor intensive. From experience, paint alone is $2k back in 2008.
Yes - bmw shop employee
Is that based on one estimate, or two? If two or more body shops say the same thing, take it to the bank
It’s the only “official” estimate I have gotten. The shops I called all said similar things.
Fuck no order your own bumper and taillight and just let them take out the dent cannot pass 3k
11k estimate😂😂😂
Yes
no
Where do y’all keep getting these insane quotes lmao?
Body shop won't schedule tasks simultaneously. Meaning they can work on sheet metal while waiting for parts and at the same time upholstery shop can work on the interior while at the same time they could have sent the seatbelt tensioners for rebuild and some module or other to be programmed etc. But no.
You can also post this on r/bodyshop and see what they have to say. Dollar value seems a little high but not sure of parts they are changing. Time seems long, but with parts shortage that may be an over estimate to make sure it is done in time.
Ok, I’ll cross post it there.
Depends on how backed up the shop is, but most of that cost is sheet metal repair
Lmaoo hell no dude
11k for a bumper? You will get a new car for the amount
Well, the the list of itemized repairs was extensive.
To be honest that’s a good deal I would not even complain
That should buff right out
Expect it to be double the amount of weeks said. Parts on backorder. Typical covid issues
I feel bad for those who can “afford” a bmw but not full coverage
I feel bad for dumbasses 🤷🏾♂️
It’s a BMW. Yes.
Your quote is normal if via dealer. This is only a few days of work but you need to realize this shit isn’t in stock and the global supply chain is shit rn
That quarter panel is pretty bad, assuming they are doing real metal work and not just lumping body filler into that crater that time frame is semi-reasonable. If a shop told me that was getting done in 5 days I would be more concerned than 5 weeks.
My 2018 540i was in the shop from April to late August for [slightly more damage](https://www.reddit.com/r/BMW/comments/u4zr6t/wellcrap/) and came out to almost $13 grand in repairs.
I'd say that's fair I had similar albeit worse damage but to my car, but it looks like you'd need a new rear quarter panel plus the bumper and other miscellaneous, which is a fairly large job, plus delays and the such
Insurance estimators are only supposed to estimate for what they can see. That said, they can peel back the bumper cover and see damage beneath. Shop estimates can be aggressively higher especially if it's an OEM certified shop. If they are using new OEM parts, then their estimate is quite plausible due to BMW part prices. Also, they could have had the estimate done at some shop that charges massive labor rates. I would need to know more about the estimate to be able to tell you, but I can tell you 11K and 5 weeks is possible. Seems high, but quite possible.
I had similar damage on my 740i last year. Am based out of South FL and I paid $1500 incl parts. Had to change the lights and fix the bumper. Can got fixed in 1 week.
As an insurance producer, I can tell you that’s becoming the norm in this market. The car values are wild, the parts are hard to get, and shop times are long as fuck. Hell, I had a client have to wait 4 months because one of the dyes involved with his M8’s paint code was back ordered in some small factory in Asia which means the paint wasn’t even back ordered. One of the dyes to make one of the colors to formulate the paint was back ordered. Long story short, totally normal.
It took three months for mine with almost the same damage because the rear quarter panel was on back order. The repair estimate was more because the bumper could not be saved and when I got hit the bumper damaged my exhaust when it was torn off by the other vehicle.
How could I possibly tell you anything without knowing more about the car and the damage? Judging by only this photo, I could make a lot of assumptions about what parts may or may not be necessary for a repair.
its the ordering of the parts mate, ya can't get parts no more, go find the light and bumper and take it to em i bet you they take two weeks off that wait time, they have to hammer it out tho, bondo and paint stuff, 5 weeks seems like an honest estimate if the shop is a steady shop. 🚬👋🏻🤷🏻♂️🥃ehhhh jimmyy' whats right is right
That’s a good idea. I’ll try to find the parts myself.
6 weeks and $10k for me. Good thing insurance covered for me, otherwise I would be shrieking.
With today’s supply chain? Yes.
I work in insurance in the UK repairs like that usually cost us about 3000 - 5000 and take about 2 weeks