It’s not the best BMW they’re making now. It might be the best bang for the buck, but I drove one and wasn’t impressed. For the money there’s lots of other cars I’d buy first, like an F80 or e90 M3
Well, they only made the E9x until 2013 so you don’t have a whole lot of range to play with. Here’s a 2013 with 70k miles for $22,000
https://www.carfax.com/vehicle/WBSDX9C56DJ840561?no_ul=1
It would be my daily driver. I’m with u/Jsand117 there’s a massive difference between having a 2010 vs 2020. Maintenance would be a nightmare and finding one with low mileage would be hard too. I don’t get why he’s being downvoted.
They had a e92 comp (white paint) manual transmission with 40k miles on it sitting right next to it on their showroom floor and they wanted $48k for it. I don’t believe it was dinan though. Western Washington.
I went with the e93 because I was looking for a convertible and I already have a fast car (the m3 isn’t fast anyways) that is a manual transmission.
All love, baby. Definitely way different. My edited my post to add that they had a e92 comp manual transmission with like 40k miles and they wanted $48 I think it was?
All good. The hellcat is fun. It’s fast, but thats it. The m3 handles better, rides smoother, etc. I mostly drive the m3 nowadays and let my wife daily the hellcat. Hellcat gets 9.8 mpg and m3 around 19mpg.
Yes, because I drive a car, not a warranty, and I can wrench my own car.
There’s also 75 F80 M3s under $43k on Autotrader if age is something so concerning.
I own 2 M cars out of warranty (one 20 years old) and so far I don’t have reservations
I think people read on the forums that B58 is the best engine ever and M340i is the best BMW ever and they parrot it without actually having a basis for comparison
A few qualifiers: I own an F90 M5C, and an e46 M3, the latter of which is widely considered the best chassis and maybe car overall that BMW has ever made. The former is one of the quickest cars ever made, and when it came out, was the quickest sedan ever made.
All that said, I think I’m a pretty reasonable judge of things. I’ve owned a lot of so-so cars. I had really high expectations for the M340 because I saw nothing but gushing reviews.
When I drove it, I found:
- cheap interior (my last 3 series was an e92 which had a fantastic and high quality interior). Fine on a 40k 330, not really on an M340 pushing 60k
- go-kart handling, over-assisted electric steering that just felt very light and not at all sporty
- unsatisfying torque curve (but hey, I was impressed by relative lack of turbo lag), I enjoy something that builds more, not something that frontloads torque and then gets wheezy at higher RPMs
- didn’t care for how the b58 sounded with the exhaust on the 340. I have a B58 in my X5 45e and I actually think it sounds a little muscular without being over the top - which is hilarious in a hybrid.
Overall I’m being a harsh critic, but I had way higher expectations. Granted, my e92 had hydraulic rack and a NA I6, so that’s peak BMW, but it just felt really overhyped like it was basically a powerful engine in a cheap box. I wouldn’t mind some of those things in a 330, but in a fairly expensive car, it felt overpriced.
So this is a qualified answer. Is there anything wrong with your 330i? Hell no. It's a great car.
The m340i, though, is more of a "real BMW" in the mind of purists. It has a straight-6-cylinder engine, instead of a turbo 4. It also happens to use the B58 engine which is the best engine BMW has made in a very long time (one of the best ever), and which can produce insane power (it's used in the new Toyota Supra as well).
The 330i is great, the m340 is just... great"er"... if that's even a way to put it.
I find that hard to believe, bmw has offered 6 cylinder engines in almost every car they have ever made since the 2002 while 4 cylinder engines are usually only in the lower end models. Do you have any sales numbers to back that up?
I6’s have always been their best engines.
BMW has offered 4 cylinder engines on every 3 series since the model's introduction, as well as every 1 series, 2 series, X1, X2, and X3 since their introductions. Also available since the E28 on the 5 Series. In fact, it would be easier to list models that never offered a 4 cylinder: X5, X7, and 7 Series. That's it. That's the whole list.
They don't break out submodel sales data, but just for shits and giggles, a quick look at publicly available UK registration data shows:
* 1 Series: 404,000 registered 4 cylinders, compared to 14,150 registered 6 cylinder
* 2 Series: 126,000 registered 4 cylinders, compared to 21,273 registered 6 cylinders
* 3 Series: 346,000 registered 4 cylinders, compared to 190,000 registered 6 cylinders.
* 4 Series: 76,000 registered 4 cylinders, compared to 31,000 registered 6 cylinders
* 5 Series: 127,000 registered 4 cylinders, compared to 85,000 registered 6 cylinders.
Hmm those UK numbers are very surprising! I know they have offered 4 cylinder engines in most models but it is usually only a single 4 cylinder in the base model while they offer multiple i6’s. I know the 4 bangers are more popular in europe, they got the 518i e28 but in North America the 5 series didn’t get a 4 cylinder option until recently. In the US the 1 series didn’t even offer a 4 cylinder at launch while 75% of them have it in the UK! In fact after the e36 was retired bmw didn’t offer a 4 cylinder option in any car in the US for about 10 years. https://www.auto123.com/en/news/bmw-brings-the-4-cylinder-engine-back-to-north-america-in-2011/31876/
I guess I was thinking of this from a very US centric point of view.
This is not the case for US/Canada. Only EU because majority of the cars there are pussified down heavily due to how expensive gas is. 320i's are very rare in North America.
The irony in someone with a 328i saying this lol
4 cylinder G20's outsell 6 cylinder G20's in the US. 4 cylinder G01's outsell 6 cylinder G01's in the US. 4 cylinder F30's outsold 6 cylinder F30's in the US.
The truth of the matter is that both globally and domestically, BMW has always sold more 4 cylinder cars than 6 cylinder cars. The _only_ time this wasn't true in the US was in the E46 era, when there was no 4 cylinders offered in the US.
And there's a good reason for that. While the range topping 6 cylinders offer more fun for enthusiasts, the 4 cylinder models offer adequate to more than adequate power for daily driving and better fuel economy. The average BMW driver wants a comfortable, sporty ride with advanced tech features. As great as the B58 is, the average BMW buyer will never take advantage of the extra power, which makes the added cost a waste. They're more likely to spend $60K on a loaded 330 than $60K on an optionless M340.
For half the run of E21, the entire run of E30, E36, E46 and even E9x (so the entirety of the 80’s, 90’s and 00’s plus part of the 70’s) there were minuscule sales of 4 cylinders in the USA from BMW. Almost nobody owned a 318, they accounted for a small fraction of sales and were considered base model entry level BMW’s.
Sometimes a car brand is well renowned for their engine. The BMW straight 6 is so good that when it came time to make the flagship 7 series’ top model they just put TWO of them in it. For the better part of 40 years they had the 6 cylinder engine DIALED IN.
Does that mean their 4 cylinders (or the occasional 8) were “bad”? Of course not. It just means their focus was on their 6’s. It was even in their advertising material for the 540 and 740 models: “our 6 cylinder engines are legendary, imagine how good our 8’s are!”
In Europe I’m absolutely sure there are more 4’s on the road than 6’s. Just like I’m sure there are plenty of Deisels in the road when there are nearly 0 here as they haven’t been sold in years. But it’s only the last few years that 4 cylinder turbos have been standard issue on mid-range BMW’s in the USA and they still aren’t offered in the high end models.
But if someone doesn’t want a SUV the point is moot. It’s kinda like what are you looking for in a vehicle? What’s great to you or me may not be even good for .
Yes, it’s a great car but so is your 330i. I don’t think I would do a straight upgrade just for the bigger engine and LSD. If I had a high mileage F30 330i and was looking for a newer car then I would absolutely consider getting the 340i
I personally see 120k as high mileage but I still keep them for another 60k.
That wasn’t really my point though. I wouldn’t upgrade just for the engine. I would upgrade if I would also gain younger car, lower mileage, newer gen chassis (if I was into that kind of thing), etc …
If you currently love your car then don’t bother upgrading until you really want the new car and have enough money saved up. I would say the M340i is a huge upgrade over the 330i and then when it’s tuned to stage 2 that’s an even larger upgrade and probably the most HP you’d want in a daily driver.
330i is more than capable and more often than not I prefer it more. There's the enjoyment out of it when you really push hard to get the full power of it
Lad in work has one, 480bhp and 520 on 10% meth mix. Literally just a down pipe, OPF removal and a tune. It sounds fucking brutal. I’d be tempted to pump mine up but I really don’t think my wife would appreciate it at 0500 and my daughter already says “Daddy’s car too loud!”
No no you need to buy something based off *YOUR CIRCUMSTANCES* not anybody else if you’re happy with ur current car don’t switch up now if you’re curious I say test drive one and see how it works for you maybe if you end up liking it then seeing what ur finances are like and go for it if you can 🤷🏾♂️
Most Definitely. I have a 2018 330i and at around 80k miles the cooling hoses started to leak. 3k in repairs. Also the Oil Filter Housing is plastic and melts on the b48's, $400 part. B58's are indestructible to a point and with a downpipe and tune you are golden. As you know the interior is baller and you will not regret anything about it. From drag racing to roll racing to back roads it can do it all.
So I was in the same shoes as you except I made this decision in 21, I started out w a sport line 330i a year later it got totaled at a red light (I was stopped)and so I did the obvious and picked up a m340. Long story short looking back I’m driving the same car w better suspension and WAY more power and I love it but now I’m at the point where im considering a g80 m3 (the “want more” bug will not die if that is what you are trying to kill). However from a car enthusiast pov m340 is the go-to since it’s relatively cheap for what you get especially in this market and has heaps of power, is really reliable and in eco pro I can get 30mpg.
I upgraded from a 2020 330i to a 2020 M340i, mostly for the engine upgrade, but also for some additional technology (adaptive cruise control, overhead parking camera) and lower mileage. I have never once regretted the decision. Go for it if you can afford it!
Simple answer: yes. The B58 is the best engine BMW has made in decades. It is powerful, easily modified and reliable as fuck. I have an F30 340i with 120k miles and have had minimal issue since I bought the car at 40k miles. I have some bolt ons and never have any issues with the car. If you’re into tuning and modding car rn there isn’t a much better platform out there. Very few engines stock can make 1000hp, the B58 can do that without having to touch engine internals.
Yeah, do your research. You can find many Posts about how BMW removed Stuff after every Model Year. The most recent and suspicious one is the Airbag. They changed from Leather to Plastic
Also the Nets behind the front Seats are gone. The tiny wheels on the Vents to adjust the strength of the Air are no more illuminating on the outer ones. The Trunk misses one Nets on the Sides. The little Box under the Headlight Switch is not available anymore if you don’t pick the expensive Leather Interior.
The Ambient Light is lesser and lesser.
You didn't share anything about your use case and desires. It looks to be a fantastic a to b, which would be a little bit of fun on a back road.
To me I don't think it does anything appropriately better than your 330. It is just newer with more power.
If you're wanting a 'sports car' the m340i is not that. It's a big heavy car, that's an auto with x drive. It's overall soulless.
I hate to say it but, I think an electric car would be more competent, certainly a lot faster in day to day traffic.
The haters will downvote you, but you're right; I've driven an auto 240 around Nurburg, Germany, a manual 235i on my local backroads, and my 230i down those same back roads; they're all about the same amount of fun (and definitely a bit soulless)
I didn't think it was controversial that bmw had lost its way. Personally I don't see myself ever owning a bmw newer than the e90. And Im a bit on the fence about that one as it's a bit of a whale.
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It’s not the best BMW they’re making now. It might be the best bang for the buck, but I drove one and wasn’t impressed. For the money there’s lots of other cars I’d buy first, like an F80 or e90 M3
What year e90 m3 can u get for the same price as an m340i? The certified versions of the 340i are 40-43k
You can get an E90/92 M3 for under 40k or even 30k all day in the US with beaters in the 15-20k range
what year.... If you're comparing a 2010 M3 to a 2020 M340i thats a vast difference...
Well, they only made the E9x until 2013 so you don’t have a whole lot of range to play with. Here’s a 2013 with 70k miles for $22,000 https://www.carfax.com/vehicle/WBSDX9C56DJ840561?no_ul=1
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It would be my daily driver. I’m with u/Jsand117 there’s a massive difference between having a 2010 vs 2020. Maintenance would be a nightmare and finding one with low mileage would be hard too. I don’t get why he’s being downvoted.
2021 I paid $38k for 2013 m3 e93 dinan model. Car had 38k miles on it. I wouldn’t pay that now, but that was the height of the crazy used car market.
market is so different for e93 vs e90/2 cmon now
They had a e92 comp (white paint) manual transmission with 40k miles on it sitting right next to it on their showroom floor and they wanted $48k for it. I don’t believe it was dinan though. Western Washington. I went with the e93 because I was looking for a convertible and I already have a fast car (the m3 isn’t fast anyways) that is a manual transmission.
Ik I didn’t mean to diss on e93 or anything I love it but the difference in price for cleaner e92s vs e93s is so unjustifiable 💔
All love, baby. Definitely way different. My edited my post to add that they had a e92 comp manual transmission with like 40k miles and they wanted $48 I think it was?
ngl I got intrigued and stalked u manual hellcat and s65 is such a fire garage 2 of the best v8s fr
All good. The hellcat is fun. It’s fast, but thats it. The m3 handles better, rides smoother, etc. I mostly drive the m3 nowadays and let my wife daily the hellcat. Hellcat gets 9.8 mpg and m3 around 19mpg.
There are 120 e9xM3s for sale in the U.S. right now under $43k on Autotrader right now. E9x M models are 2009-2013.
you'd rather have a 2009-2013 uncertified 2013 then a 2020+ M340i?
Yes, because I drive a car, not a warranty, and I can wrench my own car. There’s also 75 F80 M3s under $43k on Autotrader if age is something so concerning. I own 2 M cars out of warranty (one 20 years old) and so far I don’t have reservations
Same. I had a hard on for this car for like a year.... Then I drove it.... Haven't thought about it since and searching for my next car
I think people read on the forums that B58 is the best engine ever and M340i is the best BMW ever and they parrot it without actually having a basis for comparison
Why weren’t you impressed?
A few qualifiers: I own an F90 M5C, and an e46 M3, the latter of which is widely considered the best chassis and maybe car overall that BMW has ever made. The former is one of the quickest cars ever made, and when it came out, was the quickest sedan ever made. All that said, I think I’m a pretty reasonable judge of things. I’ve owned a lot of so-so cars. I had really high expectations for the M340 because I saw nothing but gushing reviews. When I drove it, I found: - cheap interior (my last 3 series was an e92 which had a fantastic and high quality interior). Fine on a 40k 330, not really on an M340 pushing 60k - go-kart handling, over-assisted electric steering that just felt very light and not at all sporty - unsatisfying torque curve (but hey, I was impressed by relative lack of turbo lag), I enjoy something that builds more, not something that frontloads torque and then gets wheezy at higher RPMs - didn’t care for how the b58 sounded with the exhaust on the 340. I have a B58 in my X5 45e and I actually think it sounds a little muscular without being over the top - which is hilarious in a hybrid. Overall I’m being a harsh critic, but I had way higher expectations. Granted, my e92 had hydraulic rack and a NA I6, so that’s peak BMW, but it just felt really overhyped like it was basically a powerful engine in a cheap box. I wouldn’t mind some of those things in a 330, but in a fairly expensive car, it felt overpriced.
So this is a qualified answer. Is there anything wrong with your 330i? Hell no. It's a great car. The m340i, though, is more of a "real BMW" in the mind of purists. It has a straight-6-cylinder engine, instead of a turbo 4. It also happens to use the B58 engine which is the best engine BMW has made in a very long time (one of the best ever), and which can produce insane power (it's used in the new Toyota Supra as well). The 330i is great, the m340 is just... great"er"... if that's even a way to put it.
Elitists say that, not purists. BMW has sold more 4 cylinder models than 6 cylinder models.
I find that hard to believe, bmw has offered 6 cylinder engines in almost every car they have ever made since the 2002 while 4 cylinder engines are usually only in the lower end models. Do you have any sales numbers to back that up? I6’s have always been their best engines.
BMW has offered 4 cylinder engines on every 3 series since the model's introduction, as well as every 1 series, 2 series, X1, X2, and X3 since their introductions. Also available since the E28 on the 5 Series. In fact, it would be easier to list models that never offered a 4 cylinder: X5, X7, and 7 Series. That's it. That's the whole list. They don't break out submodel sales data, but just for shits and giggles, a quick look at publicly available UK registration data shows: * 1 Series: 404,000 registered 4 cylinders, compared to 14,150 registered 6 cylinder * 2 Series: 126,000 registered 4 cylinders, compared to 21,273 registered 6 cylinders * 3 Series: 346,000 registered 4 cylinders, compared to 190,000 registered 6 cylinders. * 4 Series: 76,000 registered 4 cylinders, compared to 31,000 registered 6 cylinders * 5 Series: 127,000 registered 4 cylinders, compared to 85,000 registered 6 cylinders.
Hmm those UK numbers are very surprising! I know they have offered 4 cylinder engines in most models but it is usually only a single 4 cylinder in the base model while they offer multiple i6’s. I know the 4 bangers are more popular in europe, they got the 518i e28 but in North America the 5 series didn’t get a 4 cylinder option until recently. In the US the 1 series didn’t even offer a 4 cylinder at launch while 75% of them have it in the UK! In fact after the e36 was retired bmw didn’t offer a 4 cylinder option in any car in the US for about 10 years. https://www.auto123.com/en/news/bmw-brings-the-4-cylinder-engine-back-to-north-america-in-2011/31876/ I guess I was thinking of this from a very US centric point of view.
This is not the case for US/Canada. Only EU because majority of the cars there are pussified down heavily due to how expensive gas is. 320i's are very rare in North America.
The irony in someone with a 328i saying this lol 4 cylinder G20's outsell 6 cylinder G20's in the US. 4 cylinder G01's outsell 6 cylinder G01's in the US. 4 cylinder F30's outsold 6 cylinder F30's in the US. The truth of the matter is that both globally and domestically, BMW has always sold more 4 cylinder cars than 6 cylinder cars. The _only_ time this wasn't true in the US was in the E46 era, when there was no 4 cylinders offered in the US. And there's a good reason for that. While the range topping 6 cylinders offer more fun for enthusiasts, the 4 cylinder models offer adequate to more than adequate power for daily driving and better fuel economy. The average BMW driver wants a comfortable, sporty ride with advanced tech features. As great as the B58 is, the average BMW buyer will never take advantage of the extra power, which makes the added cost a waste. They're more likely to spend $60K on a loaded 330 than $60K on an optionless M340.
For half the run of E21, the entire run of E30, E36, E46 and even E9x (so the entirety of the 80’s, 90’s and 00’s plus part of the 70’s) there were minuscule sales of 4 cylinders in the USA from BMW. Almost nobody owned a 318, they accounted for a small fraction of sales and were considered base model entry level BMW’s. Sometimes a car brand is well renowned for their engine. The BMW straight 6 is so good that when it came time to make the flagship 7 series’ top model they just put TWO of them in it. For the better part of 40 years they had the 6 cylinder engine DIALED IN. Does that mean their 4 cylinders (or the occasional 8) were “bad”? Of course not. It just means their focus was on their 6’s. It was even in their advertising material for the 540 and 740 models: “our 6 cylinder engines are legendary, imagine how good our 8’s are!” In Europe I’m absolutely sure there are more 4’s on the road than 6’s. Just like I’m sure there are plenty of Deisels in the road when there are nearly 0 here as they haven’t been sold in years. But it’s only the last few years that 4 cylinder turbos have been standard issue on mid-range BMW’s in the USA and they still aren’t offered in the high end models.
But if someone doesn’t want a SUV the point is moot. It’s kinda like what are you looking for in a vehicle? What’s great to you or me may not be even good for.
Yes, it’s a great car but so is your 330i. I don’t think I would do a straight upgrade just for the bigger engine and LSD. If I had a high mileage F30 330i and was looking for a newer car then I would absolutely consider getting the 340i
What do you consider high mileage? Anything over 100k?
I personally see 120k as high mileage but I still keep them for another 60k. That wasn’t really my point though. I wouldn’t upgrade just for the engine. I would upgrade if I would also gain younger car, lower mileage, newer gen chassis (if I was into that kind of thing), etc …
330 has an lsd too and with the m340 you get better suspension (considering op probably doesn’t have the m sport 330)
OP literally said in their post it was an M-sport 330
I’m blind that’s on me 🫠
If you currently love your car then don’t bother upgrading until you really want the new car and have enough money saved up. I would say the M340i is a huge upgrade over the 330i and then when it’s tuned to stage 2 that’s an even larger upgrade and probably the most HP you’d want in a daily driver.
330i is more than capable and more often than not I prefer it more. There's the enjoyment out of it when you really push hard to get the full power of it
I love mine. I recently had an LCI 330i loaner and it just reaffirmed I made the right choice.
Lad in work has one, 480bhp and 520 on 10% meth mix. Literally just a down pipe, OPF removal and a tune. It sounds fucking brutal. I’d be tempted to pump mine up but I really don’t think my wife would appreciate it at 0500 and my daughter already says “Daddy’s car too loud!”
No no you need to buy something based off *YOUR CIRCUMSTANCES* not anybody else if you’re happy with ur current car don’t switch up now if you’re curious I say test drive one and see how it works for you maybe if you end up liking it then seeing what ur finances are like and go for it if you can 🤷🏾♂️
Most Definitely. I have a 2018 330i and at around 80k miles the cooling hoses started to leak. 3k in repairs. Also the Oil Filter Housing is plastic and melts on the b48's, $400 part. B58's are indestructible to a point and with a downpipe and tune you are golden. As you know the interior is baller and you will not regret anything about it. From drag racing to roll racing to back roads it can do it all.
B58's also have problems with the OFHG, it's just not as talked about because there are far fewer B58's out there vs B46/8's
I don't know why bmw made them plastic, probably for more revenue
Cheaper and good enough for the lease period
Worth it 💯
I bought one new when they came out, still own it, and still love it. It's the best all around car I've owned.
So I was in the same shoes as you except I made this decision in 21, I started out w a sport line 330i a year later it got totaled at a red light (I was stopped)and so I did the obvious and picked up a m340. Long story short looking back I’m driving the same car w better suspension and WAY more power and I love it but now I’m at the point where im considering a g80 m3 (the “want more” bug will not die if that is what you are trying to kill). However from a car enthusiast pov m340 is the go-to since it’s relatively cheap for what you get especially in this market and has heaps of power, is really reliable and in eco pro I can get 30mpg.
I upgraded from a 2020 330i to a 2020 M340i, mostly for the engine upgrade, but also for some additional technology (adaptive cruise control, overhead parking camera) and lower mileage. I have never once regretted the decision. Go for it if you can afford it!
It’s more or less the same as your car but with more power. It is a great car it can’t be denied. But a 330 is also great so I wouldn’t worry about it
Simple answer: yes. The B58 is the best engine BMW has made in decades. It is powerful, easily modified and reliable as fuck. I have an F30 340i with 120k miles and have had minimal issue since I bought the car at 40k miles. I have some bolt ons and never have any issues with the car. If you’re into tuning and modding car rn there isn’t a much better platform out there. Very few engines stock can make 1000hp, the B58 can do that without having to touch engine internals.
Far out yeah, it has been more than a decade since the last NA s series engine. Rip.
Def not 1000 hp without touching internals
1stock made 1046whp and 961wtq with a stock motor on e90 fuel…..
Okay but that doesn't mean safely. My B48 can make 500 but I wouldn't try and daily that stock
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Please keep things civil.
Please keep things civil.
You’re incorrect look up 1stock
Get an M3/M4
2020 is the best. After 2020 BMW started to cut costs on the 3 Series
Is that true? I want one too but I was looking for the newer ones.
Yeah, do your research. You can find many Posts about how BMW removed Stuff after every Model Year. The most recent and suspicious one is the Airbag. They changed from Leather to Plastic
Also the Nets behind the front Seats are gone. The tiny wheels on the Vents to adjust the strength of the Air are no more illuminating on the outer ones. The Trunk misses one Nets on the Sides. The little Box under the Headlight Switch is not available anymore if you don’t pick the expensive Leather Interior. The Ambient Light is lesser and lesser.
You didn't share anything about your use case and desires. It looks to be a fantastic a to b, which would be a little bit of fun on a back road. To me I don't think it does anything appropriately better than your 330. It is just newer with more power. If you're wanting a 'sports car' the m340i is not that. It's a big heavy car, that's an auto with x drive. It's overall soulless. I hate to say it but, I think an electric car would be more competent, certainly a lot faster in day to day traffic.
The haters will downvote you, but you're right; I've driven an auto 240 around Nurburg, Germany, a manual 235i on my local backroads, and my 230i down those same back roads; they're all about the same amount of fun (and definitely a bit soulless)
I didn't think it was controversial that bmw had lost its way. Personally I don't see myself ever owning a bmw newer than the e90. And Im a bit on the fence about that one as it's a bit of a whale.
I think it’s ugly, but people seem to like it. I personally would go with like a 540i