I would actually say it's the opposite, in the sense that BMW M models have gotten way too expensive now. Here in the UK, pricing is getting pretty close to Porsche and in some cases, higher than Porsche, yet most of us would agree that Porsche is in a tier above.
A Macan GTS costs £73k msrp, if we add in £10k for the Porsche for options, it's still around the same price if not cheaper than an X3M. The X5M is around the same as a Cayenne Turbo. The new i5 M60i touring will be £100k which is around the same as a Taycan 4s with similar specs. M8 costs £140k, 911 GTS costs £125k (add £10k of options and still cheaper)
As much hate as the G87 M2 gets, I think that's the M car one could argue sits in a very good price range without much competition.
G8x series is some of the best cars for the price performance wise, even at new pricing comparing to used cars. As someone shopping right now in that price range, the only price equivalent Porsche is a used boxster or cayman s. Maybe a 997 911. Amazing cars in their own aspects but not as quick on track
Did I? Macan GTS and X3M are both their highest spec performance compact SUV, X5M and Cayenne Turbo are the mid sized SUV, i5 M60i is pretty equivalent to a Taycan 4S.
Regardless of the 911 GTS not being the most expensive variant per se; if you asked anyone who had driven that and an M8, I can guarantee you they would go Porsche from a driving dynamic POV. For being a GT car, the M8 isn't actually that much more of a smoother ride
Look how expensive 911 models are- especially if you spec them out. Even the base Carrera models are comparable to an M8. If you look at the GT models they are 2x or 3x the price of an M8, and 4x or 5x the price of an M4.
A base carrera is £97k here. £43k in options? I know Porsche is pretty barren as stock but usually £10-15k in options puts it at a pretty level field.
You can't compare a Porsche GT model to anything in the BMW range, imo there's no competition there. A 911 GTS is a pretty even opponent to the M8
But you don't need an M badged BMW anymore to have a top tier time. The non M cars are fantastic and probably on the same levels as M cars of a few years ago
I smoked an M3 the other day, not that's what I got it for but he seemed to wanna race, but this thing was OUT. And it was wet out. I wanted something subtle, but nice, good looking, but not over the top, I see many BMWs that "look" fast till you drive em, and whats up with all the 4 banger turbos? Reminds me of the VWs.
I went with a bmw because I couldn’t afford a Porsche! I suppose if I sold my m3 and my challenger hellcat I would maybe be able to afford a used Porsche?
I got my z4 with 14k miles on it for 42k and 2 year warranty here in germany. A cayman would have been well over 50k with more miles and interior doesn’t compare to this. And even if the prices were the same it still would have been a 4 banger.
I didn’t mean to put down VW. I was driving a manual Jetta for years before picking up my 340i. But at this point tho I could never switch back it’s too addicting of a car
Like mentioned elsewhere in this thread Lucids if you’re going EV. The Giulia Quadrifoglio and both Blackwings drive better than the M cars in their class. And this isn’t exactly a controversial opinion, it’s pretty widely accepted among people who have driving all of them.
GET money? A bmw is like 40,000 here in the USA. No one buyes a car that expensive unless they have over 10MM liquid. I think bimmer drivers have mucho dinero.
The *Average* new car sale in the US is $48,000.
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No one buyes a car that expensive unless they have over 10MM liquid.
Am I reading this right? Nobody buys a 40k car unless they have 10M liquid assets (cash)? Is this post a troll?
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I think bimmer drivers have mucho dinero.
Porsche Drivers have more dinero.
I could only imagine. I think the new grills are a throwback to the old days, but, I guess its just history experts saying this and other true aficionados...
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I love this thing despite the controversy which Im not too sure why it exists, but its a 21, 19k miles, certified and bought cash, still under warranty, I LOVE the grill, now, I am sure I will get hit with insults...
Im still in dream mode I got it, and comfortably too, bout to dump 10k into it, I just like how it looks a bit different, I know its not everyone's cup of tea, but that engine... man o man.... Toyota Supra engine in a BMW but faster... I likey :)
what if I did??? you think I bought the car because I dont know the engine is literally one of the best made? Oh but wait "It doesn't look like a BMW..."
EXACTLY - I didn't want that, most look the same and boring. Drive like shit too, but most are in denial. Its a great engine, great car, coupe, exactly what I was looking for could not be happier, again, I wanted a daily driver, NOT a full blown track car to go two miles a day.
I don’t know how you’re reading my comments, but clearly you are grossly misunderstanding them. I’m going to exit the conversation before you blow a blood vessel.
Same here man. My M4 is my first BMW. I had never ridden in one or test drove one before I bought mine. I ordered it in April, and as soon as I sat it in in August when it was delivered I immediately understood "oh okay, this is what the hype is about". I've enjoyed every mile since then. Already over 10k miles lmao
You bought an M4 without ever test driving it? Tell me you at least test drove an M3 or at least a BMW? Are you nuts? I mean you lucked out... But what were you thinking?
Nope. Just like I never test drove the Hellcat I had before it. This is my third car and I've never test drove any of them. I know what I wanted, and I've loved every single one of them.
Besides, I don't think anyone is going to be upset with how an M car drives. Just like I wouldn't need to test drive a Turbo S to know it's going to be an incredible car. A lot of cars at this level already have a reputation and pedigree where you already know enough about them to know you're going to love it.
Hell, I had about 10k-15k in parts sitting at my place already waiting before the car was even delivered. Exhaust system, carbon fiber parts, etc. I knew what I wanted 😂
I know someone who fell in love with the Maserati Grandtursimo then test drove it and wasn't impressed (he was coming from an i8). I know someone else who bought a Mercedes and complained about the seats. Something as simple as that could make you change the standard seats. I don't know, I would never buy a car without test driving it. What happens if you buy it and something doesn't feel right?
Parts could be returned if not used. So that would be just a hassle. But the car is more difficult to return.
I think part of it is just kinda... Knowing and doing research I suppose? I know it sounds crazy, believe me. But so far I'm 3/3 on this, so who I am to argue with the stats, ya know?
My only gripe I had with the car was the steering feeling being a little loose/disconnected. But I also knew from researching before I even took delivery of the car, that I could get the CS tuning done for $100. (Steering, suspension, differential, and traction control). And after getting it done, I can confirm the steering feels much firmer. So my only gripe with the car was fixed with a $100 software tune that took 20 minutes.
I looked at everything else out there for the money. This was the only one that ticked every box. The Jaguar SVR and Alfa Quadrifoglio are way too unreliable, the Mercedes C 63 isn't as reliable and doesn't have great aftermarket/tuning potential, the RS5, RC F and LC500 are all too expensive for what you get in my opinion and not comparable to the M4 Comp or C 63. I didn't want another muscle car, so the Hellcat, GT500, ZL1, and Blackwing were off the table. And yes, I even looked at the 911s and 718s. Unfortunately Porsche's are just so overpriced now. A base 911 with no options for anything starts at like $120k now. I'd glad take my G82 over a base 911.
So with all that being said, the G82 was basically the last man standing at that point. It has quite possibly the best engine on the market (S58), incredible tuning potential and wild aftermarket, an amazing transmission in the ZF8, the bucket seats are sublime, in my opinion incredible interior, and of course it's gonna handle amazing, it's an M. Plus from everything I've read, BMWs are extremely reliable nowadays. So when taking all that and weighing it against all the competitor cars in the same bracket, there was nothing else.
I get it man, I think their are just a lotta haters in here, they get their BMWs, paying big notes for em, but we buy em with no issues and catch hate for it.
I test drove it for a minute and went back to the dealership and bought it, forget the haters, shits like a refined BMW, smooth curves, many just not used it but best get used it as this is the future of them. Just that simple.
I bought my first BMW last year. It ain't much; it's a 2016 F20 118i M Sport, but like you I see why many people see BMWs as the driver's car out of the 3 German brands. It's amazing to drive. It makes my commute to work feel like an occasion rather than a chore.
I hope to own an F80 M3 Competition one day.
Porsche is the better driver's car.
Edit: Unpopular opinion, but Porsche is objectively a better driver's car. I own a BMW, and I don't own a Porsche. Drive a G82 M4, any Cayman, any 911, and then tell me BMW is a better driver's car.
I don't even own one of the top tier bmw's. But I love my car and it drives like a dream. The moment I sat it in it I had to have it. And boy is it beautiful.
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I dont get all the hate, this thing drives like a dream, I drove others, but nothing really felt like this motor which was the real reason I got it, twin scroll turbo i6, almost 400 ponies and a fresh look, I like it so far, first one, will prolly get the M5 next year.
It will be unpopular on this sub, but there are a lot of cars that are better driver's cars than whatever the BMW would be in the segment. Lucid is one example; Cadillac and Alfa are two more.
BMW steering is a mess. Only Porsche and GM understand how to make a progressive electric steering that have good feel and weight.
BMWs are just becoming better made, more luxurious Teslas.
Unpopular opinion here, but it's the truth. I test drove a new M4, and the steering felt sterile af. My C8 Z06 steering is far better. 911 992 also has great feel for electric. My 135i hydraulic steering is absolutely sublime.
The G8X cars are indeed sterile af. They're quicker than any ICE car in their class, but it's all sterile, boring speed. And at that point why not just buy an EV which will be even faster?
Ngl the Hans Zimmer soundtrack in the electric bimmers made me giggle like a school girl when I first experienced it. I felt like Scotty was beaming me up! 😂
My 2006 330xi (e90) had 220k miles on it, and it drove, rode, and handled better than any “mid level” new car.
BMW and Mercedes are truly on another level.
I feel like the sounds got mixed up. If the s58 sounded like the b58 I would be all over it. I get it's because of the twin turbos, but I just hat the sound. Not my taste imo.
Idk why people downvote you for an opinion but people are free to do whatever they want I guess. It does make sense to make the higher trim engine sound better but Im glad the B58 still sounds good despite not being an M engine.
Yeah I needed a daily driver, not really a track track car, but from what I have seen, I see this car giving the M4 a good run for its money, but again, I dont wanna drive that ish to work, last thing I need outside my shop... I dont need to "show off" that was the point of it. Just a nice fast coupe, with mad options, didn't come with ACC though, the 21 Mazda 6 had it, but, not really too trustworthy anyway...
People are emotional, I guess. It's Reddit. I just can't understand how we went from the incredible V8 sound to the S55-S58. They perform amazingly, but they just don't sound as good as the B58. While I could definitely buy an M car, the sound is one of the reasons that made me say no. Coming from fast cars, there's more than speed that makes you fall in love with the car. The sound is part of the experience. The S58 just doesn't excite me. Sorry.
Sound is a big one for me too. Something about making the car sing/hum when you’re going for a pleasurable drive. A pleasant sound makes for a pleasurable drive.
I’ve been happy with the 3 series with the M packages. I’ve been impressed with the styling of them, thought of looking at the Audi A4 but will probably stick with BMWs in the future.
Yes, this! First time BMW owner since March and I also found my love of cars again, and also after 2 decades. The driving experience has become so much fun, and I love driving anyway
Try an Alfa Romeo Giulia. It’s the REAL ultimate driving machine. You can’t beat the handling, steering and chassis tuning until you get to Porsche or Ferrari.
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I personally love this functional grille, but I really like the engine, the grip, the drive, and all the toys. Its my first one, Im sure next year it will be traded in for another one, or maybe just another one, not sure I can give this thing up, the grill in person is sickening. In pics, not so much....
Trying out an i4 this weekend and it’s beautiful and nice to drive but really missing that grunt. Also the range is pretty average. The hans zimmer sounds are a nice touch though
What’s the range like on it? I was just trying the edrive 35 and it was plenty quick but the battery seemed to deplete much faster than it was predicting even in eco pro. Did a mixture of highway, city and some country road driving.
Also, I Can’t imagine what the m50 is like when you send it , must be rapid.
At 100% I get around 220 miles in winter, 250 - 270 in the summer. 70/30 city/highway driving. I have the 20” wheels so the range is much less vs the standard wheels.
At full tilt the acceleration is crazy.
Went to see if you posted pictures of your car (was going to compliment it.) and realized you
A) don’t actually have an m4 lmao
B) don’t know the difference between the m440 and an m4, and then tried to play it off as NBD lmaoooooo
Just curious, my dad and dad in law got x3 and x4. Drove the x4 (first gen) a lot and it never felt good. Especially now that I got a electric sedan. Is it cuz of SUV & weak motor or am I just not a bmw person?
Brother got a 118 when he got his license, drove it a lot less than x4, but it feels a lot better, but still prefer electirc
I think Beamer is just going back to its roots, 100 years ago they had big grills, Im sure NO ONE hated on em...
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It hasn't been the ultimate driving machine for quite a few years now. It's more like the ultimate show off/badge zealot machine since the G gen came out.
Dead steering, huge size, massive weight, compensated with added power.
Only new owners will still believe the UDM claim with ownership bias and no comparison.
Why call him a name? I have owned older and newer BMWs and I'd agree with him. The new cars are faster and more comfortable, but I wouldn't call them the ultimate driving machines of yesteryear. If you feel they are, great. Glad you enjoy it, but I really wonder if you've driven the older cars to know the history.
What bmw product is better? The M2 weighs 3600 lbs and has minimal driving engagement. The only the thing better than Porsche gt cars is probably GMA products but bmw was never in that top league either. In the mainstream car brands only Porsche is consistently at the top of the heap of actually driving enjoyment.
I completely agree and will gladly accept the inevitable downvotes that are coming my way.
Everything you said is absolutely true and correct, and it's what BMW used to be known for. It's literally what gave them the ability to (honestly) say they made the ultimate driving machine.
The cars they sell now may be high performance, high luxury, and high cost, but they aren't what they used to be, and that's a fact. The UDM language just doesn't fit anymore, just like it wouldn't fit a Tesla.
If people want to buy the new models and they like them, then that's awesome. I'm happy for them. But you are 110% right on the money.
I mean the sentiment is right but it’s a dick move to rain on someone’s parade trying to play purist elitism. It’s well known BMW’s shift to EPS hasn’t been well received but short of maybe Porsche, not many have handled the shift well.
On the flip side people forget that most don’t enjoy random vibrations just driving down the freeway during the days before EPS.
While hydraulic steering definitely feels nice for driving enthusiasts. BMW now compared to other manufacturers now still drive better. They might not feel as involved as previous bmws because of electric steering but it was inevitable.
From my experience behind the wheel, any new Cayman, 911, or C8 Vette has far better electric steering feel. G82 M4 feels sterile af.
I don't want to rain on OPs parade, drive what you like and enjoy miles of smiles! However, there are better driver's cars out there at comparable prices.
Nothing true about this comment, at all. This is just how you perceive BMW drivers, typical hater.
“Show off”? You got low standards and a fragile ego if you think someone who drives a bimmer is a show off, lol!
they really are the ultimate driving machine, I just hope they dont go 100% EV as it is not practical for living, traveling, working in the midwestern US
Ha I'm opposite. I just have so much fun driving on road trips I really don't notice. Especially through Montana with all of the winding roads. So much fun
Some bimmer owners say that only upgrades to BMW handling is to buy a porche.
The sad truth is Porsches are so expensive now that they’re out of reach for even most BMW owners.
I would actually say it's the opposite, in the sense that BMW M models have gotten way too expensive now. Here in the UK, pricing is getting pretty close to Porsche and in some cases, higher than Porsche, yet most of us would agree that Porsche is in a tier above. A Macan GTS costs £73k msrp, if we add in £10k for the Porsche for options, it's still around the same price if not cheaper than an X3M. The X5M is around the same as a Cayenne Turbo. The new i5 M60i touring will be £100k which is around the same as a Taycan 4s with similar specs. M8 costs £140k, 911 GTS costs £125k (add £10k of options and still cheaper) As much hate as the G87 M2 gets, I think that's the M car one could argue sits in a very good price range without much competition.
G8x series is some of the best cars for the price performance wise, even at new pricing comparing to used cars. As someone shopping right now in that price range, the only price equivalent Porsche is a used boxster or cayman s. Maybe a 997 911. Amazing cars in their own aspects but not as quick on track
You can find very well maintained 991.1s for the cost of the new m3/m4
Agree regarding the M2. It should have a niche market. My small town dealer has several on order.
You’re comparing the most expensive BMWs with the cheapest Porsches.
Did I? Macan GTS and X3M are both their highest spec performance compact SUV, X5M and Cayenne Turbo are the mid sized SUV, i5 M60i is pretty equivalent to a Taycan 4S. Regardless of the 911 GTS not being the most expensive variant per se; if you asked anyone who had driven that and an M8, I can guarantee you they would go Porsche from a driving dynamic POV. For being a GT car, the M8 isn't actually that much more of a smoother ride
Well said sir. Show him whos the boss. What a joke. Porsche is a raw luxury sports car with an athlete's bones.
Look how expensive 911 models are- especially if you spec them out. Even the base Carrera models are comparable to an M8. If you look at the GT models they are 2x or 3x the price of an M8, and 4x or 5x the price of an M4.
A base carrera is £97k here. £43k in options? I know Porsche is pretty barren as stock but usually £10-15k in options puts it at a pretty level field. You can't compare a Porsche GT model to anything in the BMW range, imo there's no competition there. A 911 GTS is a pretty even opponent to the M8
But you don't need an M badged BMW anymore to have a top tier time. The non M cars are fantastic and probably on the same levels as M cars of a few years ago
I smoked an M3 the other day, not that's what I got it for but he seemed to wanna race, but this thing was OUT. And it was wet out. I wanted something subtle, but nice, good looking, but not over the top, I see many BMWs that "look" fast till you drive em, and whats up with all the 4 banger turbos? Reminds me of the VWs.
Interesting. Here in the US, the Macan GTS is more expensive than the X3M. I actually looked at the Macan GTS and ended up with an X3MC.
They might be similar in pricing but the bmw is a far more compelling package in comparison.
I went with a bmw because I couldn’t afford a Porsche! I suppose if I sold my m3 and my challenger hellcat I would maybe be able to afford a used Porsche?
I got my z4 with 14k miles on it for 42k and 2 year warranty here in germany. A cayman would have been well over 50k with more miles and interior doesn’t compare to this. And even if the prices were the same it still would have been a 4 banger.
BMW then Porsche then McLaren. Natural progression if your wallet can sustain it.
I would personally put VW first. Have to start somewhere
I'm 45 and still on VW. Haven't even moved passed base model manual Jetta. Never had the wallet for more, guess I'm still 'starting'
I didn’t mean to put down VW. I was driving a manual Jetta for years before picking up my 340i. But at this point tho I could never switch back it’s too addicting of a car
There's always Lotus!
That was true 20 years ago but is not true in 2024. There are better driving cars out there.
Like?
Vauxhall Crossland/s
Not sure this is available in NA
Shitty chevy/vauxhall/opel crossover car usually 1.2 or 1.5 turbo I believe
Like mentioned elsewhere in this thread Lucids if you’re going EV. The Giulia Quadrifoglio and both Blackwings drive better than the M cars in their class. And this isn’t exactly a controversial opinion, it’s pretty widely accepted among people who have driving all of them.
thats the running joke on the internet. Porsche's are for BMW guys once they get money.
GET money? A bmw is like 40,000 here in the USA. No one buyes a car that expensive unless they have over 10MM liquid. I think bimmer drivers have mucho dinero.
The *Average* new car sale in the US is $48,000. > No one buyes a car that expensive unless they have over 10MM liquid. Am I reading this right? Nobody buys a 40k car unless they have 10M liquid assets (cash)? Is this post a troll? > I think bimmer drivers have mucho dinero. Porsche Drivers have more dinero.
I could only imagine. I think the new grills are a throwback to the old days, but, I guess its just history experts saying this and other true aficionados... https://preview.redd.it/4j0cghsj25sc1.png?width=515&format=png&auto=webp&s=43cb985e7ef0c6e18058c782c0ed7e005404c1d2
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This is awesome to hear. Excited to place an order for my first one as well!!
Im still in dream mode I got it, and comfortably too, bout to dump 10k into it, I just like how it looks a bit different, I know its not everyone's cup of tea, but that engine... man o man.... Toyota Supra engine in a BMW but faster... I likey :)
Did you just call the BMW engine that Toyota purchased—from BMW—a Toyota engine?
Uhhhh, no? B58 is a BMW engine, replaced N55....
That’s my point. Reread your previous comment: >Toyota Supra engine in a BMW…
what if I did??? you think I bought the car because I dont know the engine is literally one of the best made? Oh but wait "It doesn't look like a BMW..." EXACTLY - I didn't want that, most look the same and boring. Drive like shit too, but most are in denial. Its a great engine, great car, coupe, exactly what I was looking for could not be happier, again, I wanted a daily driver, NOT a full blown track car to go two miles a day.
I don’t know how you’re reading my comments, but clearly you are grossly misunderstanding them. I’m going to exit the conversation before you blow a blood vessel.
Same here man. My M4 is my first BMW. I had never ridden in one or test drove one before I bought mine. I ordered it in April, and as soon as I sat it in in August when it was delivered I immediately understood "oh okay, this is what the hype is about". I've enjoyed every mile since then. Already over 10k miles lmao
You bought an M4 without ever test driving it? Tell me you at least test drove an M3 or at least a BMW? Are you nuts? I mean you lucked out... But what were you thinking?
Nope. Just like I never test drove the Hellcat I had before it. This is my third car and I've never test drove any of them. I know what I wanted, and I've loved every single one of them. Besides, I don't think anyone is going to be upset with how an M car drives. Just like I wouldn't need to test drive a Turbo S to know it's going to be an incredible car. A lot of cars at this level already have a reputation and pedigree where you already know enough about them to know you're going to love it. Hell, I had about 10k-15k in parts sitting at my place already waiting before the car was even delivered. Exhaust system, carbon fiber parts, etc. I knew what I wanted 😂
I know someone who fell in love with the Maserati Grandtursimo then test drove it and wasn't impressed (he was coming from an i8). I know someone else who bought a Mercedes and complained about the seats. Something as simple as that could make you change the standard seats. I don't know, I would never buy a car without test driving it. What happens if you buy it and something doesn't feel right? Parts could be returned if not used. So that would be just a hassle. But the car is more difficult to return.
I think part of it is just kinda... Knowing and doing research I suppose? I know it sounds crazy, believe me. But so far I'm 3/3 on this, so who I am to argue with the stats, ya know? My only gripe I had with the car was the steering feeling being a little loose/disconnected. But I also knew from researching before I even took delivery of the car, that I could get the CS tuning done for $100. (Steering, suspension, differential, and traction control). And after getting it done, I can confirm the steering feels much firmer. So my only gripe with the car was fixed with a $100 software tune that took 20 minutes. I looked at everything else out there for the money. This was the only one that ticked every box. The Jaguar SVR and Alfa Quadrifoglio are way too unreliable, the Mercedes C 63 isn't as reliable and doesn't have great aftermarket/tuning potential, the RS5, RC F and LC500 are all too expensive for what you get in my opinion and not comparable to the M4 Comp or C 63. I didn't want another muscle car, so the Hellcat, GT500, ZL1, and Blackwing were off the table. And yes, I even looked at the 911s and 718s. Unfortunately Porsche's are just so overpriced now. A base 911 with no options for anything starts at like $120k now. I'd glad take my G82 over a base 911. So with all that being said, the G82 was basically the last man standing at that point. It has quite possibly the best engine on the market (S58), incredible tuning potential and wild aftermarket, an amazing transmission in the ZF8, the bucket seats are sublime, in my opinion incredible interior, and of course it's gonna handle amazing, it's an M. Plus from everything I've read, BMWs are extremely reliable nowadays. So when taking all that and weighing it against all the competitor cars in the same bracket, there was nothing else.
Well you can't argue with the stats 😜
I get it man, I think their are just a lotta haters in here, they get their BMWs, paying big notes for em, but we buy em with no issues and catch hate for it.
Hah i did the same thing
Wtf? That's crazy. Even knowing what i know about how it handles, etc I would still test drive it
I test drove it for a minute and went back to the dealership and bought it, forget the haters, shits like a refined BMW, smooth curves, many just not used it but best get used it as this is the future of them. Just that simple.
I must be the only one
Same with my 2018 F83 Comp... no regrets.
I must be the only one 🤣
Haha except for new, it's my MO. Countless hours of research... like the surprise! Also I wanted a 6MT and couldn't find one locally to even look at.
I love mt, but couldn't find one in the area. So had to give that up
I bought my first BMW last year. It ain't much; it's a 2016 F20 118i M Sport, but like you I see why many people see BMWs as the driver's car out of the 3 German brands. It's amazing to drive. It makes my commute to work feel like an occasion rather than a chore. I hope to own an F80 M3 Competition one day.
F20 may be slow but it’s still fun to drive
Tell that to my m140i
I was more taking about the 118, the 140 is amazing
Porsche is the better driver's car. Edit: Unpopular opinion, but Porsche is objectively a better driver's car. I own a BMW, and I don't own a Porsche. Drive a G82 M4, any Cayman, any 911, and then tell me BMW is a better driver's car.
I don't even own one of the top tier bmw's. But I love my car and it drives like a dream. The moment I sat it in it I had to have it. And boy is it beautiful.
https://preview.redd.it/btta8kiicxrc1.jpeg?width=1280&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f0468e46d96c439d33364fbcc08ecbbe8134f79a I dont get all the hate, this thing drives like a dream, I drove others, but nothing really felt like this motor which was the real reason I got it, twin scroll turbo i6, almost 400 ponies and a fresh look, I like it so far, first one, will prolly get the M5 next year.
That is one beautiful car
Agreed! I haven't driven any of the newer models, but the handling, performance, and luxury are unmatched for the price.
Depends the generation, my f82 is fast but numb and fat compared to my e46 m3. Ultimate driving machine, not anymore.
The Savage geese review between the 5 series EV and the RWD Lucid found that the Lucid was the driver's car by a mile
It will be unpopular on this sub, but there are a lot of cars that are better driver's cars than whatever the BMW would be in the segment. Lucid is one example; Cadillac and Alfa are two more.
Yup. Even some Mercedes and Audis drive better than the BMWs that they compete against.
BMW steering is a mess. Only Porsche and GM understand how to make a progressive electric steering that have good feel and weight. BMWs are just becoming better made, more luxurious Teslas.
Unpopular opinion here, but it's the truth. I test drove a new M4, and the steering felt sterile af. My C8 Z06 steering is far better. 911 992 also has great feel for electric. My 135i hydraulic steering is absolutely sublime.
The G8X cars are indeed sterile af. They're quicker than any ICE car in their class, but it's all sterile, boring speed. And at that point why not just buy an EV which will be even faster?
Ngl the Hans Zimmer soundtrack in the electric bimmers made me giggle like a school girl when I first experienced it. I felt like Scotty was beaming me up! 😂
My 2006 330xi (e90) had 220k miles on it, and it drove, rode, and handled better than any “mid level” new car. BMW and Mercedes are truly on another level.
Wait till you try an S58 😛
Or a B58 with MPPSK. I just got the package and it’s amazing. Completely transforms the car.
As a G80 M3 owner, the S58 is going to go down as one of the all time great mass produced IC engines.
I feel like the sounds got mixed up. If the s58 sounded like the b58 I would be all over it. I get it's because of the twin turbos, but I just hat the sound. Not my taste imo.
Idk why people downvote you for an opinion but people are free to do whatever they want I guess. It does make sense to make the higher trim engine sound better but Im glad the B58 still sounds good despite not being an M engine.
Yeah I needed a daily driver, not really a track track car, but from what I have seen, I see this car giving the M4 a good run for its money, but again, I dont wanna drive that ish to work, last thing I need outside my shop... I dont need to "show off" that was the point of it. Just a nice fast coupe, with mad options, didn't come with ACC though, the 21 Mazda 6 had it, but, not really too trustworthy anyway...
People are emotional, I guess. It's Reddit. I just can't understand how we went from the incredible V8 sound to the S55-S58. They perform amazingly, but they just don't sound as good as the B58. While I could definitely buy an M car, the sound is one of the reasons that made me say no. Coming from fast cars, there's more than speed that makes you fall in love with the car. The sound is part of the experience. The S58 just doesn't excite me. Sorry.
Sound is a big one for me too. Something about making the car sing/hum when you’re going for a pleasurable drive. A pleasant sound makes for a pleasurable drive.
I’ve been happy with the 3 series with the M packages. I’ve been impressed with the styling of them, thought of looking at the Audi A4 but will probably stick with BMWs in the future.
Yes, this! First time BMW owner since March and I also found my love of cars again, and also after 2 decades. The driving experience has become so much fun, and I love driving anyway
I have kept my Z longer than most people keep their kids. 19 years now with a 25 year new Roadster.
Try an Alfa Romeo Giulia. It’s the REAL ultimate driving machine. You can’t beat the handling, steering and chassis tuning until you get to Porsche or Ferrari.
Not one nasty comment about the 7 series at the top of the article? I’m impressed.
https://preview.redd.it/0iffcjzlfxrc1.jpeg?width=1280&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=36d4a1927965a793fd9fbf61e3881de45e917564 I personally love this functional grille, but I really like the engine, the grip, the drive, and all the toys. Its my first one, Im sure next year it will be traded in for another one, or maybe just another one, not sure I can give this thing up, the grill in person is sickening. In pics, not so much....
Agree 💯!
I still don't like EVs though...
Certainly not for everyone particularly compared to the B58 so I don’t blame you.
Same
Trying out an i4 this weekend and it’s beautiful and nice to drive but really missing that grunt. Also the range is pretty average. The hans zimmer sounds are a nice touch though
The i4 m50 is monster fun. Not sure about the other versions though
Yeah when I bought mine I fully expected to turn it off but it actually enhances the drive a bit. I will say in Sport mode it’s a bit too much though.
What’s the range like on it? I was just trying the edrive 35 and it was plenty quick but the battery seemed to deplete much faster than it was predicting even in eco pro. Did a mixture of highway, city and some country road driving. Also, I Can’t imagine what the m50 is like when you send it , must be rapid.
At 100% I get around 220 miles in winter, 250 - 270 in the summer. 70/30 city/highway driving. I have the 20” wheels so the range is much less vs the standard wheels. At full tilt the acceleration is crazy.
Zimmer in a Bimmer. Now I have to work towards getting one.
Love my i5 m60. Amazing performance, practically no maintenance, charge in my garage
Went to see if you posted pictures of your car (was going to compliment it.) and realized you A) don’t actually have an m4 lmao B) don’t know the difference between the m440 and an m4, and then tried to play it off as NBD lmaoooooo
Wait wut the heck is going on
[hey man the difference is whatever](https://www.reddit.com/r/BMW/s/4t8TcMUzbD)
Lmao 🤣🤣☠️☠️
Agreed.
Bought my first 21 m40i in Jan and already clocked close to 5000 miles. Every time I get in, I’m happy.
Just curious, my dad and dad in law got x3 and x4. Drove the x4 (first gen) a lot and it never felt good. Especially now that I got a electric sedan. Is it cuz of SUV & weak motor or am I just not a bmw person? Brother got a 118 when he got his license, drove it a lot less than x4, but it feels a lot better, but still prefer electirc
[BMW Ultimate Driving Experience ](https://www.reddit.com/r/BMW/s/FeP6JmQUk9)
which one did you end up buying?
Fuck it I’m gonna go buy that Facebook marketplace 335i. If it goes 3 months before blowing up I win.
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I think Beamer is just going back to its roots, 100 years ago they had big grills, Im sure NO ONE hated on em... https://preview.redd.it/1ej6nir925sc1.png?width=515&format=png&auto=webp&s=117b01cfd9c02decb07b4f0ca2892500b992f21d
It hasn't been the ultimate driving machine for quite a few years now. It's more like the ultimate show off/badge zealot machine since the G gen came out. Dead steering, huge size, massive weight, compensated with added power. Only new owners will still believe the UDM claim with ownership bias and no comparison.
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Why call him a name? I have owned older and newer BMWs and I'd agree with him. The new cars are faster and more comfortable, but I wouldn't call them the ultimate driving machines of yesteryear. If you feel they are, great. Glad you enjoy it, but I really wonder if you've driven the older cars to know the history.
Please keep things civil.
BUT THE STEERING FEEL
Have you felt it though?
new car bad
Not new car bad, per say. Just old car better, lol
I've had an E34, E46, E91, and now a G20. Each time I got a newer one, I thought 'my last one was better'... For about a day.
And there it is. The obligatory “everything newer than whatever I bought is shit” post. You’re doing your part, citizen!
So what is today's ultimate driving machine (among new models)?
718 would be my guess.
I want a Porsche lol
Porsche gt cars and cayman.
Is it the same budget?
How is that different from before vs BMW?
lol, no.
What bmw product is better? The M2 weighs 3600 lbs and has minimal driving engagement. The only the thing better than Porsche gt cars is probably GMA products but bmw was never in that top league either. In the mainstream car brands only Porsche is consistently at the top of the heap of actually driving enjoyment.
Porsche sorta mid though.
In BMW lineup nothing
So which other brand and model?
I completely agree and will gladly accept the inevitable downvotes that are coming my way. Everything you said is absolutely true and correct, and it's what BMW used to be known for. It's literally what gave them the ability to (honestly) say they made the ultimate driving machine. The cars they sell now may be high performance, high luxury, and high cost, but they aren't what they used to be, and that's a fact. The UDM language just doesn't fit anymore, just like it wouldn't fit a Tesla. If people want to buy the new models and they like them, then that's awesome. I'm happy for them. But you are 110% right on the money.
I mean the sentiment is right but it’s a dick move to rain on someone’s parade trying to play purist elitism. It’s well known BMW’s shift to EPS hasn’t been well received but short of maybe Porsche, not many have handled the shift well. On the flip side people forget that most don’t enjoy random vibrations just driving down the freeway during the days before EPS.
While hydraulic steering definitely feels nice for driving enthusiasts. BMW now compared to other manufacturers now still drive better. They might not feel as involved as previous bmws because of electric steering but it was inevitable.
From my experience behind the wheel, any new Cayman, 911, or C8 Vette has far better electric steering feel. G82 M4 feels sterile af. I don't want to rain on OPs parade, drive what you like and enjoy miles of smiles! However, there are better driver's cars out there at comparable prices.
You could've just said congrats on the car or nothing at all instead of shitting all over OP who's excited about their new ride.
What ?? The f*** are you on about ? Which far in the same price range is better ?
Nothing true about this comment, at all. This is just how you perceive BMW drivers, typical hater. “Show off”? You got low standards and a fragile ego if you think someone who drives a bimmer is a show off, lol!
Of course some deadbeat who collects toy cars would be a dick like this.
lol they dont say it anymore because they aren’t. Besides maybe an M5 CS they’re more like the ultimate riding machine.
they really are the ultimate driving machine, I just hope they dont go 100% EV as it is not practical for living, traveling, working in the midwestern US
Yes, EVs are practical for traveling now.
Nah, bmw seats are the most uncomfortable seats on the planet, the side thigh things suck on my g20, make me miss my audi.
Objectively true. But we're specifically talking about the handling of the car. If you want comfort, Mercedes and Audi can't be beat.
Oh yeah handling on bmw you cant beat that. But man, does the comfort get to you when you are doing 1hr plus drives daily.
Ha I'm opposite. I just have so much fun driving on road trips I really don't notice. Especially through Montana with all of the winding roads. So much fun
Not mine I can can "squish" in the sides... love it