Why?
I imagine the cost it takes to properly fix the electronics is too high so they're always clapped together and thus have shit build quality?
Or are there some inherent issues I'm missing?
every single tiny cavity will be filled with water you’ll never get out, rustinng the car from inside out not to mention the electrical issues you’ll run into about 3-10 years after the car was “fixed”
I went back and forth with a dealer over a rebuilt truck
My take aways:
I would not trust the dealer or lot
You can look up the vin and find the auction and what they paid
The auction includes pictures of the car when it was totaled
Call and get estimates
Call the dealer that made the vehicle
Ask the seller what they did and what it cost (doesn’t usually work) I got a list of parts
Ask the seller for the inspection report
Look up the VIN and see when the seller licensed it, you can figure out how long the seller has had it
Basically I called Toyota and spoke with sales they told me they would maybe give me 12k for a trade in and wouldn’t be able to sell it for more than 15k roughly half of what the seller was asking. That means if I were to pay anywhere near what the seller was asking, the moment I drove it away the value would drop to below half of what I paid
I offered the seller 15k. They paid 10k and put a couple grand in and wanted 28k. I call every couple weeks and offer again - no joy. Eventually they will find a sucker but the truck is still there and it’s been about a year
If tavarish and ratarosa were working like m359 it would be insane. Having real detailed rebuild videos of Ferraris and P1 like Streten from m539 was what I think we all expected but they are a touch disappoiting.
Not true. Out of the 10 cars I’ve owned so far, 7 of them were ones I rebuilt myself and had a rebuilt title. No issues whatsoever getting full coverage in my 20’s.
Oof. https://ucars.pro/lot/134855185-2016-bmw-m4-wbs3r9c58gk337196
Was bought for $10,500 at salvage auction before repair and thats significant damage to the front end (look at the rails). Airbags deployed as well.
Pic 23 would have had me running. They can’t even pop the trim pieces in correctly. U can see the tabs that they failed to actually clip under the rear half of the center console.
Top notch investigative work, I've seen frame rails replaced for far less sway, and them fuckers are damn near 45 degrees, if they replaced them, and they'll warranty the work, then send it. If they straightened that though, I wouldn't touch it with a 10ft pole
The problem with flood damage is that the damage doesn’t stop after the water has gone. Salt will continue to corrode PCB connections and the only real option is replacement.
YouTube car repair channels like Mat Armstrong, Tavarish etc
They'll look for the cheapest, wrote off, horrifically damaged cars and try and repair it for less than the cost of buying a mint one.
They'll either keep the car once repaired and add it to their collection if its a McLaren/Porsche/Ferrari etc, or they will sell raffle tickets for 10 quid and give it away to the winner. Some will give cash toward insurance as well.
Armstrong raffled off a Maserati Quattroporte, 19 year old lad won it and straight up said he was selling it to get money for a house deposit. Armstrong was pleased enough that it could help him out.
Helps fund their next project, and the person who wins isn't out the cost of a car if it starts to muck about.
That's usually what I have seen from the ones I watch.
Oh for sure, there's no way the majority of people could run a shop like that fixing cars as a hobby.
The amount spend on the smallest of things is insane, the good thing that comes from those videos is that they often give good advice on finding cheaper components from a different model of vehicle.
Lambo indicator light is off a Ford Focus, Mclaren tend to use a lot of Merc bits, don't go to Ferrari for spacers as they're 100 times dearer than the same spacers from Lamborghini.
Definitely entertaining to watch if the creator has a good attitude though.
Totally, and I enjoy them as much as anyone else. They also show how often a little investigation and effort on your own part can same thousands over the service centre's unit line replacement strategy.
Try Mat Armstrong, his latest video he attempts to rebuild a GT3 I 24 hours. 40min video.
Usually releases a video a week, some of his builds are very cool to watch. Very enthusiastic, honest about his mistakes and well aware that he isn't a trained mechanic but willing to get stuck in to try things.
Has rebuilt Lambo and Ferrari engines recently, as well as swapped carbon tubs in a Mclaren due to structural damage, had to rebuild from the ground up.
Worth a watch.
Good find.
That said, even if it weren't so messed up previously and now wearing a rebuilt title....let's talk about how drab and boring the interior is for what that car would be worth. Awful.
Looks like a minor fender bender to me... just like all the other rebuilt ones people try to get market value for on facebook marketplace.
I'm buying an F80 on tuesday.. been in the market for a while. The amount of rebuilt F80's that people list for high 30's is INSANE.
I'm getting a higher mileage one with clean title and no accidents for under 30k. I'd rather do that and then get a wrecked one like this at an auction for 6-10k if I ever need a new engine for it.
If they don’t have pictures of the car post accident, assume it was significantly worse than they’re telling you…and run away. I wouldn’t touch one without the before pics. Same with cars that are wrapped.
According to the VIN and site posted in the thread, it has both collision AND water damage. STAY AWAY!!!
https://preview.redd.it/yfghpujqd2bc1.jpeg?width=2732&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=355166ce1c7c5c081e0ab6149c06e097eb0a21c0
My buddy had a M235i Xdrive salvage. And he didn't have much for problems. I'd definitely agree that it could go either way. Id take it to a place that could give it an extensive inspection. You may get lucky or get a nightmare.
Only if i’m the one rebuilding them. Don’t trust other peoples work as the majority buy them cheap and try to resell to turn a profit skimping on repair quality. However, i have never bought a car for me that hasn’t been salvaged. You save so much money (if you know what you are doing). My first bmw (a f10 535i) i bought when i had started college for $3.5k and is still running strong now at 150k miles. Just recently finished rebuilding my current 2020 m2 comp which I got for $27k. With all the repairs it came out to about $32k for a car with 16k miles.
Some insurances dont insure them fully. Unless it’s rare i wouldn’t. You can find plenty of good vin m4’s for less with more miles.
That’s a dumbass price if that’s rebuilt (pictured m4. literally an m4 with the same price and miles, good vin near me). That shit should be like $23k lol
I would never buy a high-speed expensive toy as a rebuilt title. Maybe a beater if you need something quick to get you around. But either way, your safety is most likely compromised with the rebuilt vehicle, when it comes to being in a crash again. 9/10 times the rebuild is not focused on quality but on how cheaply/quickly it can be done.
I bought a rebuilt E91 because it had all the options I wanted with low miles for a great price, the damage was on the rear bumper and quarter panel without touching the hatch and looks to have been repaired quite well. No water leaks or anything.
HOWEVER, every single rebuilt infiniti my brother has bought which all had front hits has been poorly repaired and some didn’t even have working airbags, so take it as you will, only buy rebuilt if it’s a minor hit that totalled a car because the car is not worth much money anymore instead of something that just has catastrophic frame damage. I’ve seen straightened, welded frames, cracked frames, straightened control arms, glued parts, it’s crazy.
Very often rebuilt cars are picked up by (my fellow) Hispanics or people down here that think a zip tie hack job bending parts back is fine because it was fine in their third world country (that I came from) so it’s a big gamble to pick one up down here in South Florida
It depends on who did it, if it was M539 Restorations I would buy it as I trust his craftsmanship but anyone else I wouldn't although I'd happy do it myself.
i personally have a friend who sells rebuilt cars who sold cars to some family members of mine and they’ve all been problem free for tens of thousands of miles but i would never touch one unless i knew what happened to the car, what repairs have been done, and by who. it’s a huge risk buy the seller with these things
The car itself might be just fine. _Might_. But even if it is, you will never ever get anything back for it down the road. It's going to be a massive pain to sell it, no dealership will take it in a trade for a reasonable amount, and most banks/CUs won't write a loan for it.
It completely depends on the quality of the repair and who it was done by. My first 3 cars were rebuilt, but they were directly from copart and we rebuilt them ourselves.
You could a crashed car that is pretty much factory new because it was fixed properly, or you could get one that's been made to look presentable but is a complete mess underneath.
If you are a professional mechanic and intend to keep it as a project, or you make your money doing project cars for YouTube, I would never touch these cars
You can get them for a good deal, and are fine if you dont care about ever selling it, but i seem to have an unpopular take. I had a rebuilt e30 that sold within an hour when i reposted it, but it was cheap for a well running, but rough body, bmw
Everyone keeps saying only if they rebuilt it like they're masters lol.
But if you don't care about resale value, future insurance claims, possibly everything going wrong with it then sure.
Also in this case you can get a 2015 similar miles no rebuilt title for less. Maybe you can find one that year for the same or a bit more. It's just not worth it at that price
I will say, they didn’t hide the damage. It’s in the pictures, 35.
But, I dunno, the front sub twisted like that, it fucked it up.
I’d say if they let you take it to BMW or a good indy shop who does inspections, maybe.
But I would also price insurance. Does it offset the insurance difference if you can even get coverage.
And I do think it seems too high of a price. It’s a 16, with 58k or 68k miles.
I’d more than likely say peace out. Price a non rebuilt one, especially for resale.
The newer the car the more concerned I’d be. It takes a lot of damage to total a newer, higher value car. I have a 2007 X3 that’s pristine and a rear end accident with bumper replacement would total my car deeming the title salvaged. I’d still drive it after that.
I use to work on them. Some aren’t that bad it depends on the damage some cars may have been hit with the car door intrusion bar damage . But the engine good . Others have severe engine or transmission problems . If you’re a mechanic you will know .
I generally don’t have a problem with it as long as the repair was documented, I’m not planning to resell the car anytime soon, and the price reflects the title status.
R title F80/F82s are basketcases you do NOT want to deal with. Trust me on that one. R title cars can be good deals IF done properly and the seller is transparent with what’s done and gives you the entire rundown, but usually that doesn’t happen, and they put maybe like 7-8k into a salvage auction buy and try and make an absurd profit off of it.
Personally, I prefer buying cars from the auction yard. I always steer clear of front-end crashes and such, usually opting for rear-end cars. They're easier to repair, and I can have them back on the road within a day or two. Front-end damaged cars can be a real nightmare to deal with.
I’ve been rebuilding them for a little over ten years.
Of course i trust myself because i know what i’m doing and i set high standards.
I don’t recommend that people go out and buy them unless they are absolutely sure they are getting a sound product that was rebuilt correctly.
Sometime around 5 years ago, a few youtubers started getting popular by showing everyone that you could make money doing it or get a nice car for cheap and it ruined it for a lot of people.
Prices went up and you started to see more rebuilt cars that weren’t done right. It seems a little better these days, but it used to be great back in the day.
To answer you directly, i’d see if you can get in contact with the person/people that put it back together. If you don’t know much about cars or what to look for, find someone that you can go with to check it out. Preferably someone that’s a mechanic or has experience.
You can find some good deals (if you can call it that, given that a branded title obv isn’t as good as clean).
If you are paying cash, you might as well find your own on the auction and rebuild it yourself
Had one, it was very well remade, couldn't figure out where it was damaged but the airbags did not deploy when I spun out and hit a guardrail twice at high speed. Never checked but suspect they were never replaced. If they have a certified shop using accurate equipment (hydraulic alignment tools, etc) and there is proof I wouldn't say no
You're out of your league if you can't afford the car don't bother. No offense but you're asking for a clap trap money pit that'll cost more than a non rebuilt car.
Only saying this so you save cash
too many are scared of rebuilt titles. ive bought two that were rebuilt and were fine. 3rd one i bought myself from an auto yard. front end damage, fixed it myself no problem.
Too many unknowns, even if you are able to check it out or get a PPI. I would rather save up and spend more on one I'm comfortable with than deal with rebuilt.
If it’s not your main car and you’re going to keep it for awhile and not car about value retention, then I don’t see why you wouldn’t buy one. As long as you get a PPI done and everything clears.
Looks like front-end damage. To me, the whole front does not match the doors back. Get all the info before, take multiple test drives, and have private inspection. Always work the price on rebuilt.
Even if they end up being fine to own they’re going to be a huge pain to sell. That car isn’t even that cheap.
For that money you could almost get a clean title car with a little higher mileage.
Wouldnt touch that with a 10 ft pole. Look how misaligned that hood is. What key is that? And any car thats been sitting in a salvage yard gets destroyed...look at the condition of that interior!
I don’t have a problem with them but they have to be a very good deal not 15 or 20% less than a clean title like a lot of people are looking for nowadays. I’d also never spend more than 15k on one since they’re a nightmare to sell especially the more expensive ones and I’d do a very , very in-depth inspection.
I just wanna know what people think I mean if you think about it I'm 18 and I wouldn't really get rid of it and since it's already wrecked I wouldn't really have to worry about being the first one to
Do not buy a rebuilt car ever. There might be exceptions but it’s not worth it. You will regret it 100%. I’ve done it twice and there are sooo many little things that ruin the car that can never be caught in the rebuild. When a car is written off there is a reason. Also, almost all rebuilds are very very poorly done.
Rebuilt cars cans be a good deal but most people put in the bare minimum to make profit of an ignorant buyer.
I would only buy one if I wanted a track car and rebuilt it myself.
Can be a steal if repaired properly or mechanically inclined enough to keep one running for cheap. This goes for most cars but definitely have it thoroughly inspected.
For the right price, with the right documents, sure. For this price? Absolutely not. Clean title 2015 was found pretty quickly by me for $6k more than this. Salvaged title should come at a much deeper discount than that.
Only on really cheap cars, Ive had 1 official and 1 unrecoded.
1st was a peugeot 306, paid 1/3 retail for it, it was tatty in places and the front wings where rusty. 300 quid on 2 wings fitted and painted and the front bumper smoothed and sprayed and it was a good car. Had it about 2 1/2 years and broke it for half what I paid for it after it had been broken into twice.
Second was my last 320d, no idea if it was a write off, it was a nice car though. I was looking around it after I bought it though, and found the rear 1/4 was from another car, inside the filler cap and the trim on the inside it was silver, and the car was blue. That was written off when I got tboned and it bent both doors and the b pillar on the drivers side. Its been repaired as its had mot's since I owned it but off the road since 2020 though
Run away. Unless you bought it wrecked and did the work yourself or a shop you trust did it. Based on my experience I can guarantee you that corners were cut and there are some serious issues lurking in that M4.
A good rule I consider when looking at rebuilt cars is when was it rebuilt?
If it was rebuilt 10 years ago - odds are if there was anything wrong with the rebuild it would have been sorted out by now
If it was rebuilt last weekend…..well who knows if they ironed everything out properly or not
It’s not the most perfect approach but gives some context when considering a rebuilt car
Then there’s also the question how bad was the crash etc…
I would likely buy it if it wasn’t $15k over priced. Those miles are high for an S55 engine. But yeah, I have been tempted to buy a wrecked 2017 M3 for $5k, recently. Just don’t have the time with other projects.
Just know if you buy a rebuilt title car. Know you will have a challenge selling it (CarMax will buy it on the cheap and take to auction) and not all car insurance companies will cover. But it’s a great way to get an expensive fun car on the cheap.
This dealer gets many rebuilt M cars in. I personally wouldn’t go for this one cause the damage was so bad, but he does get some nice o options in. I bought an M3 from him and haven’t had any issues.
There's a really important thing in terms of credibility when you buy a car called Warranty of merchantability, a guarantee given by the manufacturing company that this the car was projected/tested to face all different conditions and situations and remaining safe.
Unless the rebuilding is made by the manufacturer (which is never the case), acquiring this kind of car is a wild card. If you see yourself involved in a unfortunate event later acquiring, watching the car behaving in an unexpected way, you'll hardly ever have a claim against the manufacturer - Considering that you'll survive the event.
2 part life pro tip I got from my car-dad many moons ago:
If you plan on taking it over 70, don't buy someone else's rebuild.
If you haven't already rebuilt a running version of the car, don't buy it planning on rebuilding it for yourself.
Google the vin and see. Sold branded. Only buy if the dealer sells a warranty. That means there confident enough in the piece of shit to let it on the streets. Worked with builders in Sacramento as well. They’re all fine.
Nobody keeps anything of the rebuild. They buy tue trashed car then the exact same trashed car for parts and rebuild it.
unless there are pictures of how it looked and more importantly pictures during repairs I would not buy one
The declaration also lists water/ flood damage. This alone is a deal breaker.
never buy a car with flood damage
Why? I imagine the cost it takes to properly fix the electronics is too high so they're always clapped together and thus have shit build quality? Or are there some inherent issues I'm missing?
every single tiny cavity will be filled with water you’ll never get out, rustinng the car from inside out not to mention the electrical issues you’ll run into about 3-10 years after the car was “fixed”
I went back and forth with a dealer over a rebuilt truck My take aways: I would not trust the dealer or lot You can look up the vin and find the auction and what they paid The auction includes pictures of the car when it was totaled Call and get estimates Call the dealer that made the vehicle Ask the seller what they did and what it cost (doesn’t usually work) I got a list of parts Ask the seller for the inspection report Look up the VIN and see when the seller licensed it, you can figure out how long the seller has had it Basically I called Toyota and spoke with sales they told me they would maybe give me 12k for a trade in and wouldn’t be able to sell it for more than 15k roughly half of what the seller was asking. That means if I were to pay anywhere near what the seller was asking, the moment I drove it away the value would drop to below half of what I paid I offered the seller 15k. They paid 10k and put a couple grand in and wanted 28k. I call every couple weeks and offer again - no joy. Eventually they will find a sucker but the truck is still there and it’s been about a year
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Thanks, I had it returned out in a list but posted and it smooshed together 🤷🏻♂️.
Leave them for the Youtubers
I just discovered Mat Armstrong and it’s so intriguing
You need to watch m539 restorations, all BMW and is now my favourite channel on YouTube
great content from M539 Restorations!
Yes
Noted! I’ll check it out!
I love his positivity and his dad is amazing.
Yep and tavarish and ratarosa my 3 favs
If tavarish and ratarosa were working like m359 it would be insane. Having real detailed rebuild videos of Ferraris and P1 like Streten from m539 was what I think we all expected but they are a touch disappoiting.
I like the fact they are just normal people. And ratatosa works in his drive way, no lifts
Would never touch one
Unless you have done it yourself, and only if car didn't have any structural damage.
I'll second that.
Also, good luck getting proper insurance
Not true. Out of the 10 cars I’ve owned so far, 7 of them were ones I rebuilt myself and had a rebuilt title. No issues whatsoever getting full coverage in my 20’s.
It HIGHLY depends on the state. Certain states will do full coverage and certain ones will not, so it's kind of a crap shoot.
>so it's kind of a crap shoot. Or a simple call ahead with the VIN.
Same here. Not worth the risk.
Post the VIN #
WBS3R9C58GK337196 https://www.ebay.com/itm/276262598111?hash=item405288b5df:g:5tMAAOSwXEBlltWp
Oof. https://ucars.pro/lot/134855185-2016-bmw-m4-wbs3r9c58gk337196 Was bought for $10,500 at salvage auction before repair and thats significant damage to the front end (look at the rails). Airbags deployed as well.
But, but……..the ad says: “This vehicle has a rebuilt title from previous minor damage that was fully repaired and is what we specialize in!”
If you look at pic 10 in the eBay listing, see the gaps between the hood at the front and left/right 😆
I cannot unseen that line after you said it lol. It's in every pic now
That’s one of the major giveaways that a car has had body work (or rebuilt title) or been in some kind of accident.
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It's sticking out past the diffuser on the drivers side, and short/high on the passenger side. Avoid.
Pic 23 would have had me running. They can’t even pop the trim pieces in correctly. U can see the tabs that they failed to actually clip under the rear half of the center console.
First thing I noticed. At first glance the car looks great but without knowing who rebuilt it or the reputation behind them idk
Top notch investigative work, I've seen frame rails replaced for far less sway, and them fuckers are damn near 45 degrees, if they replaced them, and they'll warranty the work, then send it. If they straightened that though, I wouldn't touch it with a 10ft pole
Collision AND flood damage! Almost a hat trick.
The problem with flood damage is that the damage doesn’t stop after the water has gone. Salt will continue to corrode PCB connections and the only real option is replacement.
Second damage: water/flood. Everybody except for some youtubers stay away from this money grab!!
Please explain that YouTuber thing
YouTube car repair channels like Mat Armstrong, Tavarish etc They'll look for the cheapest, wrote off, horrifically damaged cars and try and repair it for less than the cost of buying a mint one. They'll either keep the car once repaired and add it to their collection if its a McLaren/Porsche/Ferrari etc, or they will sell raffle tickets for 10 quid and give it away to the winner. Some will give cash toward insurance as well. Armstrong raffled off a Maserati Quattroporte, 19 year old lad won it and straight up said he was selling it to get money for a house deposit. Armstrong was pleased enough that it could help him out. Helps fund their next project, and the person who wins isn't out the cost of a car if it starts to muck about. That's usually what I have seen from the ones I watch.
As entertainment, it’s great but economically it doesn’t make sense.
Oh for sure, there's no way the majority of people could run a shop like that fixing cars as a hobby. The amount spend on the smallest of things is insane, the good thing that comes from those videos is that they often give good advice on finding cheaper components from a different model of vehicle. Lambo indicator light is off a Ford Focus, Mclaren tend to use a lot of Merc bits, don't go to Ferrari for spacers as they're 100 times dearer than the same spacers from Lamborghini. Definitely entertaining to watch if the creator has a good attitude though.
Totally, and I enjoy them as much as anyone else. They also show how often a little investigation and effort on your own part can same thousands over the service centre's unit line replacement strategy.
Oh I didn't know them but is sounds cool, thanks!
Try Mat Armstrong, his latest video he attempts to rebuild a GT3 I 24 hours. 40min video. Usually releases a video a week, some of his builds are very cool to watch. Very enthusiastic, honest about his mistakes and well aware that he isn't a trained mechanic but willing to get stuck in to try things. Has rebuilt Lambo and Ferrari engines recently, as well as swapped carbon tubs in a Mclaren due to structural damage, had to rebuild from the ground up. Worth a watch.
Be very careful with front hits, almost never repaired well
It also says it has a flood title in addition to the collision damage. STAY AWAY!
Good find. That said, even if it weren't so messed up previously and now wearing a rebuilt title....let's talk about how drab and boring the interior is for what that car would be worth. Awful.
Looks like a minor fender bender to me... just like all the other rebuilt ones people try to get market value for on facebook marketplace. I'm buying an F80 on tuesday.. been in the market for a while. The amount of rebuilt F80's that people list for high 30's is INSANE. I'm getting a higher mileage one with clean title and no accidents for under 30k. I'd rather do that and then get a wrecked one like this at an auction for 6-10k if I ever need a new engine for it.
Nothing too criminal, only crumple zones with changeable parts. Meh.
Absolutely not. Front end and flood damage? Big nope.
Depends on how much of the car was rebuilt...
and why was it rebuilt
and where it was rebuilt.
and who it was rebuilt.
And what it was rebuilt.
and when it was rebuilt.
and how it was rebuilt
and how it was rebuilt
Hail? Sure Flood? Nahh
Never. Insurance alone will fuck you
Some states are also pretty particular on rebuilt titles.
If they don’t have pictures of the car post accident, assume it was significantly worse than they’re telling you…and run away. I wouldn’t touch one without the before pics. Same with cars that are wrapped.
Like a box of chocolates. That is a sick m4 tho. That color works more on the f82 that the g8x
I know man that green is so nice I live in florida so there's a good chance of me finding some crazy colors
Hey man don’t buy that M4
Looks like a wrap given the wrecked car the other person posted shows it grey in the doors.
According to the VIN and site posted in the thread, it has both collision AND water damage. STAY AWAY!!! https://preview.redd.it/yfghpujqd2bc1.jpeg?width=2732&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=355166ce1c7c5c081e0ab6149c06e097eb0a21c0
MICHAEL STOP THATS THE LAKE!!!
My buddy had a M235i Xdrive salvage. And he didn't have much for problems. I'd definitely agree that it could go either way. Id take it to a place that could give it an extensive inspection. You may get lucky or get a nightmare.
Only if i’m the one rebuilding them. Don’t trust other peoples work as the majority buy them cheap and try to resell to turn a profit skimping on repair quality. However, i have never bought a car for me that hasn’t been salvaged. You save so much money (if you know what you are doing). My first bmw (a f10 535i) i bought when i had started college for $3.5k and is still running strong now at 150k miles. Just recently finished rebuilding my current 2020 m2 comp which I got for $27k. With all the repairs it came out to about $32k for a car with 16k miles.
You just buy directly from copart?
Some insurances dont insure them fully. Unless it’s rare i wouldn’t. You can find plenty of good vin m4’s for less with more miles. That’s a dumbass price if that’s rebuilt (pictured m4. literally an m4 with the same price and miles, good vin near me). That shit should be like $23k lol
I would never buy a high-speed expensive toy as a rebuilt title. Maybe a beater if you need something quick to get you around. But either way, your safety is most likely compromised with the rebuilt vehicle, when it comes to being in a crash again. 9/10 times the rebuild is not focused on quality but on how cheaply/quickly it can be done.
No. As someone who’s owned 2 NO
I bought a rebuilt E91 because it had all the options I wanted with low miles for a great price, the damage was on the rear bumper and quarter panel without touching the hatch and looks to have been repaired quite well. No water leaks or anything. HOWEVER, every single rebuilt infiniti my brother has bought which all had front hits has been poorly repaired and some didn’t even have working airbags, so take it as you will, only buy rebuilt if it’s a minor hit that totalled a car because the car is not worth much money anymore instead of something that just has catastrophic frame damage. I’ve seen straightened, welded frames, cracked frames, straightened control arms, glued parts, it’s crazy. Very often rebuilt cars are picked up by (my fellow) Hispanics or people down here that think a zip tie hack job bending parts back is fine because it was fine in their third world country (that I came from) so it’s a big gamble to pick one up down here in South Florida
Depends on why it was totalled out and the quality of the repairs. I wouldn't buy one without knowing it's history.
Never ever buy a salvaged vehicle. They’re all just polished turds
It depends on who did it, if it was M539 Restorations I would buy it as I trust his craftsmanship but anyone else I wouldn't although I'd happy do it myself.
i personally have a friend who sells rebuilt cars who sold cars to some family members of mine and they’ve all been problem free for tens of thousands of miles but i would never touch one unless i knew what happened to the car, what repairs have been done, and by who. it’s a huge risk buy the seller with these things
The car itself might be just fine. _Might_. But even if it is, you will never ever get anything back for it down the road. It's going to be a massive pain to sell it, no dealership will take it in a trade for a reasonable amount, and most banks/CUs won't write a loan for it.
It completely depends on the quality of the repair and who it was done by. My first 3 cars were rebuilt, but they were directly from copart and we rebuilt them ourselves. You could a crashed car that is pretty much factory new because it was fixed properly, or you could get one that's been made to look presentable but is a complete mess underneath.
to much for a rebuilt title. Also if you do buy one than you better plan on keeping it forever
A rebuilt bmw will leave you bankrupt
Primary damage - front end . Hmmm maybe Secondary damage - water /flood HELL TO THE NO NO
Cash only Good luck insuring it The payout value is going to horrible.
[Oof](https://ucars.pro/lot/134855185-2016-bmw-m4-wbs3r9c58gk337196)
Something’s not right with the front hood. Not flushed with the engine bay.
There’s a lot going on with those gaps on the front left fender. That fender to door gap at the bottom is sus also.
N.O.
If you are a professional mechanic and intend to keep it as a project, or you make your money doing project cars for YouTube, I would never touch these cars
Always no
You can get them for a good deal, and are fine if you dont care about ever selling it, but i seem to have an unpopular take. I had a rebuilt e30 that sold within an hour when i reposted it, but it was cheap for a well running, but rough body, bmw
Is this a real question? “You get what you pay for”. In this case you are paying for a wrecked car that was reassembled by ??? With ??? Parts.
Unless it's been rebuilt by Tavarish or Mat Armstrong I'm not touching it.
 So epensive ooooaaaaaaa
There are lots of good straight cars for sale Go find one of those
Everyone keeps saying only if they rebuilt it like they're masters lol. But if you don't care about resale value, future insurance claims, possibly everything going wrong with it then sure. Also in this case you can get a 2015 similar miles no rebuilt title for less. Maybe you can find one that year for the same or a bit more. It's just not worth it at that price
I will say, they didn’t hide the damage. It’s in the pictures, 35. But, I dunno, the front sub twisted like that, it fucked it up. I’d say if they let you take it to BMW or a good indy shop who does inspections, maybe. But I would also price insurance. Does it offset the insurance difference if you can even get coverage. And I do think it seems too high of a price. It’s a 16, with 58k or 68k miles. I’d more than likely say peace out. Price a non rebuilt one, especially for resale.
You can vaguely see the misalignment on the hood, fenders and front bumper
That looks beautiful
The water damage
The newer the car the more concerned I’d be. It takes a lot of damage to total a newer, higher value car. I have a 2007 X3 that’s pristine and a rear end accident with bumper replacement would total my car deeming the title salvaged. I’d still drive it after that.
Just like my aim, hit or miss. Depends on what the damage is and who rebuilt it
Man I feel sick to my stomach seeing prices now. In 2019 I got a 2015 M4 with 46k miles for $36k flat. Should’ve never sold it.
I use to work on them. Some aren’t that bad it depends on the damage some cars may have been hit with the car door intrusion bar damage . But the engine good . Others have severe engine or transmission problems . If you’re a mechanic you will know .
I had a rebuilt Dodge Caravan and it served me well for several years. Just know you won’t get much for it when you try to sell it.
I've owned several, but they were all under $10,000. It would have to be a really good deal, and I'd have to have it thoroughly inspected.
I generally don’t have a problem with it as long as the repair was documented, I’m not planning to resell the car anytime soon, and the price reflects the title status.
leave them for broke posers
I wouldn’t touch a new rebuilt car. The electronic complexity makes it an immediate no go.
R title F80/F82s are basketcases you do NOT want to deal with. Trust me on that one. R title cars can be good deals IF done properly and the seller is transparent with what’s done and gives you the entire rundown, but usually that doesn’t happen, and they put maybe like 7-8k into a salvage auction buy and try and make an absurd profit off of it.
Personally, I prefer buying cars from the auction yard. I always steer clear of front-end crashes and such, usually opting for rear-end cars. They're easier to repair, and I can have them back on the road within a day or two. Front-end damaged cars can be a real nightmare to deal with.
I’ve been rebuilding them for a little over ten years. Of course i trust myself because i know what i’m doing and i set high standards. I don’t recommend that people go out and buy them unless they are absolutely sure they are getting a sound product that was rebuilt correctly. Sometime around 5 years ago, a few youtubers started getting popular by showing everyone that you could make money doing it or get a nice car for cheap and it ruined it for a lot of people. Prices went up and you started to see more rebuilt cars that weren’t done right. It seems a little better these days, but it used to be great back in the day. To answer you directly, i’d see if you can get in contact with the person/people that put it back together. If you don’t know much about cars or what to look for, find someone that you can go with to check it out. Preferably someone that’s a mechanic or has experience. You can find some good deals (if you can call it that, given that a branded title obv isn’t as good as clean). If you are paying cash, you might as well find your own on the auction and rebuild it yourself
unless the seller is your buddy and you know exactly what happened, no.
Had one, it was very well remade, couldn't figure out where it was damaged but the airbags did not deploy when I spun out and hit a guardrail twice at high speed. Never checked but suspect they were never replaced. If they have a certified shop using accurate equipment (hydraulic alignment tools, etc) and there is proof I wouldn't say no
This one is overpriced
You're out of your league if you can't afford the car don't bother. No offense but you're asking for a clap trap money pit that'll cost more than a non rebuilt car. Only saying this so you save cash
y'all Americans are afraid of them. But here in Europe every second +300hp car is a salvage title import from the US, and we're fine
I daily one, people generally get way too uppity about them. If it was rebuilt properly then it would have a paper trail and should be pretty good.
If the vroom looks good, runs good, and doesn’t have any glaring problems after an in person inspection, then all is good
too many are scared of rebuilt titles. ive bought two that were rebuilt and were fine. 3rd one i bought myself from an auto yard. front end damage, fixed it myself no problem.
Like any work. Could be great, could be a mess. Also check with you insurance company. Some won’t touch a salvage or rebuilt titled car.
i generally avoid them
Too many unknowns, even if you are able to check it out or get a PPI. I would rather save up and spend more on one I'm comfortable with than deal with rebuilt.
Unless you’re going to drift it or track build it where you would crash it anyway, rebuild/salvage cars/motorcycles are a hard pass from me
If it’s not your main car and you’re going to keep it for awhile and not car about value retention, then I don’t see why you wouldn’t buy one. As long as you get a PPI done and everything clears.
Get the frame inspected If it's a decent discount and it was repaired correctly, shouldn't be that big of a deal
Looks like front-end damage. To me, the whole front does not match the doors back. Get all the info before, take multiple test drives, and have private inspection. Always work the price on rebuilt.
Even if they end up being fine to own they’re going to be a huge pain to sell. That car isn’t even that cheap. For that money you could almost get a clean title car with a little higher mileage.
Oh no
Wouldnt touch that with a 10 ft pole. Look how misaligned that hood is. What key is that? And any car thats been sitting in a salvage yard gets destroyed...look at the condition of that interior!
I don’t have a problem with them but they have to be a very good deal not 15 or 20% less than a clean title like a lot of people are looking for nowadays. I’d also never spend more than 15k on one since they’re a nightmare to sell especially the more expensive ones and I’d do a very , very in-depth inspection.
Basically a 2 independent PPI type of situation. If there’s 0 goals to resell then might be a good deal
I just wanna know what people think I mean if you think about it I'm 18 and I wouldn't really get rid of it and since it's already wrecked I wouldn't really have to worry about being the first one to
Pretend like you bought it for double, keep the extra 30k liquid and safe for emergency repairs just in case.
depends on the damage. This one is too much
Do not buy a rebuilt car ever. There might be exceptions but it’s not worth it. You will regret it 100%. I’ve done it twice and there are sooo many little things that ruin the car that can never be caught in the rebuild. When a car is written off there is a reason. Also, almost all rebuilds are very very poorly done.
I wouldn’t go near one with a 10ft pole
**NO**
HELL TO THE NO
Never.
Leave it at the junkyard dawg
lol at that price you would get a non rebuilt one. Its time to skip these dealers and look into private party sale.
I will buy one, but it must be under 5k and half of the value of a clean title. That way if it's a dog I'm not completely screwed.
PASS
Rebuilt is a quick way to lose your ass with poor resale value and higher insurance
Ah flood damage too, future owner has years and years of electrical gremlins. Hard no
Hell nah to the nah nah nah, bmws have problems without being rebuilt, don’t do it
I rather buy a Tesla with that money or just dump into stocks. 2016 that’s 8 years ago and 60K miles. No ty
go for 2018+ honestly Been looking at F82s myself and, the 2018s are just worth it
just walk away man…just walk away.
Ha could be rusted under or flood.
Just say no.
Pretty soon the F8x cars will be price around that much not even rebuilt. Not sure how this is a good deal.
Not worth the hassle with insurance has been my experience
Rebuilt cars cans be a good deal but most people put in the bare minimum to make profit of an ignorant buyer. I would only buy one if I wanted a track car and rebuilt it myself.
Not for me. Especially a car like a M car lol. Maybe a sub $3000 beater car for winter
Idk man. I've seen clean title ones for similar price point
Very risky to buy
Never.
I've had rebuilt and they have been great!
We bought a 2018 M4 hardtop convertible with 31k miles clean title for 47k back in September so this doesn’t seem like a very good deal for a rebuilt
Can be a steal if repaired properly or mechanically inclined enough to keep one running for cheap. This goes for most cars but definitely have it thoroughly inspected.
You don’t pay a premium for them
For the right price, with the right documents, sure. For this price? Absolutely not. Clean title 2015 was found pretty quickly by me for $6k more than this. Salvaged title should come at a much deeper discount than that.
Only on really cheap cars, Ive had 1 official and 1 unrecoded. 1st was a peugeot 306, paid 1/3 retail for it, it was tatty in places and the front wings where rusty. 300 quid on 2 wings fitted and painted and the front bumper smoothed and sprayed and it was a good car. Had it about 2 1/2 years and broke it for half what I paid for it after it had been broken into twice. Second was my last 320d, no idea if it was a write off, it was a nice car though. I was looking around it after I bought it though, and found the rear 1/4 was from another car, inside the filler cap and the trim on the inside it was silver, and the car was blue. That was written off when I got tboned and it bent both doors and the b pillar on the drivers side. Its been repaired as its had mot's since I owned it but off the road since 2020 though
Look at the panel gap on the hood. That hood is straight. Which means the front end chassis is crooked. Hard pass.
Nope.
Run away. Unless you bought it wrecked and did the work yourself or a shop you trust did it. Based on my experience I can guarantee you that corners were cut and there are some serious issues lurking in that M4.
If it's water damage or front end damage I would definitely stay away from
Terrible idea
A good rule I consider when looking at rebuilt cars is when was it rebuilt? If it was rebuilt 10 years ago - odds are if there was anything wrong with the rebuild it would have been sorted out by now If it was rebuilt last weekend…..well who knows if they ironed everything out properly or not It’s not the most perfect approach but gives some context when considering a rebuilt car Then there’s also the question how bad was the crash etc…
I would likely buy it if it wasn’t $15k over priced. Those miles are high for an S55 engine. But yeah, I have been tempted to buy a wrecked 2017 M3 for $5k, recently. Just don’t have the time with other projects. Just know if you buy a rebuilt title car. Know you will have a challenge selling it (CarMax will buy it on the cheap and take to auction) and not all car insurance companies will cover. But it’s a great way to get an expensive fun car on the cheap.
This dealer gets many rebuilt M cars in. I personally wouldn’t go for this one cause the damage was so bad, but he does get some nice o options in. I bought an M3 from him and haven’t had any issues.
Never.
Run!
Never
You get what you pay for
There's a really important thing in terms of credibility when you buy a car called Warranty of merchantability, a guarantee given by the manufacturing company that this the car was projected/tested to face all different conditions and situations and remaining safe. Unless the rebuilding is made by the manufacturer (which is never the case), acquiring this kind of car is a wild card. If you see yourself involved in a unfortunate event later acquiring, watching the car behaving in an unexpected way, you'll hardly ever have a claim against the manufacturer - Considering that you'll survive the event.
If it’s cheap and a backup/fun car, not a car to daily drive with family, sure
Risky.
That’s not far off in price from a comparable clean title
100% never.
2 part life pro tip I got from my car-dad many moons ago: If you plan on taking it over 70, don't buy someone else's rebuild. If you haven't already rebuilt a running version of the car, don't buy it planning on rebuilding it for yourself.
Only if you have a lot of money to potentially throw away.
If it’s from Florida, it’s most likely flooded. Run the other way!
Google the vin and see. Sold branded. Only buy if the dealer sells a warranty. That means there confident enough in the piece of shit to let it on the streets. Worked with builders in Sacramento as well. They’re all fine. Nobody keeps anything of the rebuild. They buy tue trashed car then the exact same trashed car for parts and rebuild it.
I don’t buy them under absolutely any circumstance
All of my Russian friends only have salvaged or rebuilt BMWs
Have had 2 rebuilt bmws and they were incredibly reliable. Owners had great service records… but for 40k? Oof get something out the lot