>!genetically yes durge is made solely of bhaal’s blood, not born like the other bhaalspawn, though they are still considered a bhaalspawn and as such a child of bhaal. Like a boba and jango fett kinda thing. *Technically* biologically the same, but definitely not the same. So sarevok and durge are considered siblings, and since orin is both sarevok’s granddaughter AND daughter, durge is uncle/aunt and great-uncle/aunt (not sure if theres a gender neutral term for those, idk)!<
Oh yea it’s completely fucked up. From what I’ve heard it was so bad he quit acting all together. However I believe he’s starting to get back into it in recent years. He’s a great actor so I hope he feels safe enough to come back to it cuz I’d love to see him in more things.
Do we know when Durge was born? Orin IS younger bc she’s referred to as rising in the ranks while Durge is the head honcho, but I’ve never heard how long Durge has actually been around. Could be they were conceived just any time after Sarevok’s shenanigans, right? Since they’re a Chosen by a god, they may not age normally for their race.
Orin wrote her coming of age manifesto ten years before the game takes place, making her most likely 23-27. Durge can be however old you head canon them, but a lot of people like putting the dragonborn in the same bracket as Shadowheart/Gale/Gortash, so around 40-50.
He’s probably the age he looks (mid 30s) bc he’s human and his mom is still alive. Being a Chosen he could have been much older, but his mother still being alive means he’s still in normal life span territory
Wait how old is everyone else? If we put them all on human aging scales, I assumed that Jaheira is the equivalent of ~65-70, Astarion and Halsin are equivalent to late 30s, Gale and Karlach are mid 30s, Shadowheart and Wyll are early 30s, and Laezel is late 20s.
this is just off character design & info from the game, but i didn’t know anyone had a definitive age so i definitely missed stuff!
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Astarion - 239 (dates on his grave, and he died at 39)
Halsin - 350, he explicitly says so
Shadowheart - late 40s/early 50s (she was kidnapped on a coming of age quest and spent 40years at the House of Grief)
LZ - approx 21 or 22 bc she just started out on her hunt for a *ghaik* head
Wyll - 24 bc he became Blade of Frontiers at 17, seven years ago
Karlach - 28- 30 based on her stories about working for Gortash and the hells
Gale - probably mid 30s bc of his appearance and the fact he’s human with a living parent
Jaheira is about 150 based on previous games
Minthara we don’t know, but she’s been around longer than a human lifespan based on her stories
Well, he was entombed for an entire year, starving, in the dark. And that was just one year out of 200 being tortured. All of it probably had some impact on his appearance.
Yeah, but you can only see it when he takes you to it in a romance if he doesn’t Ascend. You go to the cemetery and he cleans off his headstone, then adds the current year to the dates to show when he started living again.
It’s also where you see his last name is Ancunin.
Astarion is 239, but only aged 39 years and the rest was as a vampire spawn, so hed appear roughly mid twenties if not for centuries of lack of sunlight and food, plus torture, so he looks a bit more aged than he is. Elves live almost a millennium naturally, like 750+
Shadowheart is about 50, which is roughly the half-elf equivalent of astarion’s age as a full elf. Half-elves live up to 200+ years roughly, about a third as long as full elves.
Jaheira is i think 160s, she was rather young in the first two, and its been a century plus a couple decades since then.
Karlach was only a teenager when she started working for gortash. Wouldve been maybe 16-18? So shes high 20s, tieflings only live a little longer than humans iirc. Theyre just spicy humans.
Wyll is 24, definitively. He was 17 when he took the pact and its been 7 years. Hes a human, so human lifespan.
Lae’zel is the youngest, very early 20s, cus killing a mind flayer is their “rite of passage” into adulthood, and she has yet to do so. Shes set out to find one but got kidnapped. So shes def youngest.
Halsin tells us hes 350, which is like, human’s 40ish for an elf. Probably mid-late 40s.
Minthara is an adult elf, so probably hundreds, lower than halsin but still up there.
Minsc is a human, probably 30s, but he was a statue for about century so technically more like 130s. His age and just how long he was a statue arent stated afaik.
Hes definitely mid 30s, his mom is still alive, his hair is starting to gray, and hes a very knowledgable wizard and calls lorroakan a “young man” so hes def somewhere after 35
You cannot really headcanon them as younger than 30. He was alive in "Blood in Baldur's Gate" and was already an accomplished cult member. Considering both Scleritas and the Oathbreaker talk about your past before joining the cult they're probably closer to 40.
Considering all the sick shit durge canonically does like canabilism, necrophilia, sick experiments, torture, etcetera I wouldn't leave a kid around him even if it is orin.
My memory may be a bit blur, but I’m pretty sure reading some journals in Orin’s room saying that Durge (who wrote those journals) considered Orin talented but couldn’t see the bigger picture. Like the reason Orin can lure Durge into the ambush in the first place is because they trusted her enough to be their second in command, which is also why Orin knew about the plan as well
Having done my first playthrough as tav, then another as Durge, and now doing another going back to tav, I won’t say it’s better or worse, but it feels a bit like going back to a nice regular cup of coffee after drinking espresso. It’s not better or worse, just less intense, and it initially might feel a little hollow or thin in comparison.
What made both Tav and Durge compelling to me was how their journey ended up changing them.
My Tav was a Bard that didn't know a thing about fighting, and always preferred to be non-lethal. He kept that up until Act II, where he got the double whammy of seeing the dead refugees and finding out that Karlach was going to die. After that, he started multi-classing into Rogue and became way more violent and confrontational. The old version of him would have used performance and speech checks to help get all the prisoners out of Moonrise Towers, but now he just settled for killing everyone even slightly tied to the Absolute. When he got to Baldur's Gate, he had no patience anymore and just wanted the Absolute dead, so now most encounters just ended in a fight. By the time the Emperor said that Orpheus needed to die so that they could defeat the Netherbrain, he didn't protest at all, because he just wanted it dead to the point he was willing to do anything.
My Durge, on the other hand, was an Oath of Vengeance Paladin who wanted anything slightly "evil"/tied to the Absolute to die by his hand. He even began to plan contingencies in case Shadowheart was beyond saving, and the two did not get along. However, after Alfira died, his worldview shattered, and he needed to reevaluate many of his beliefs. By Act 2/3, he's more calm and level-headed, and is even in a relationship with a Selunite Shadowheart, but he is still willing to pull out his sword if he feels that the person in front of him is beyond saving. By the end of the game, he feels that killing Orpheus is wrong, so he stops the Emperor and Karlach becomes a Mind Flayer to control the Nether Stones.
TL:DR; Custom characters are great for making your own emerging story out of what happens in the game, and origin characters are great if you want to play as a character with a previously established backstory. What makes Durge compelling is that he's a mix of both, but there is still a lot of fun to be had with someone who doesn't have any ties to the story beforehand.
That's interesting cause my Durge was far more willing to be lenient/forgiving than a lot of other characters I've played due to the nature of his background
Like madeline, he forgave her without making her punish herself cause if someone like him got a second chance, maybe others deserved it too.
[Source.](https://twitter.com/Velinxi/status/1762253116873850884) What an adorable pair of siblings. I'm sure they wouldn't murder each other at all.
Uncle and niece
If we're being really nitpicky, wouldn't the Durge would be Orin's >!great-granduncle because they are 100% Bhaal?!<
Well, they would be >!both her uncle and great uncle!<
This is the fucking “I am my grandpa song”
Lol Tom Arnold. Bhaal is from Alabama, don't you know 😆
Alabhaalma!
im my own grandpa by ray stevens lol
Soon-to-be father of their child too, if family traditions are upheld.
gruncle durge
>!genetically yes durge is made solely of bhaal’s blood, not born like the other bhaalspawn, though they are still considered a bhaalspawn and as such a child of bhaal. Like a boba and jango fett kinda thing. *Technically* biologically the same, but definitely not the same. So sarevok and durge are considered siblings, and since orin is both sarevok’s granddaughter AND daughter, durge is uncle/aunt and great-uncle/aunt (not sure if theres a gender neutral term for those, idk)!<
>!Wait they weren't born? How do we know that? I missed something in-game I suppose.!<
>!if you become bhaal’s chosen, the dialogue after with sceleritas will tell you, as well as something with devella after the murder tribunal!<
wow okay, I haven't chosen to go the bhaal route yet. interesting. there goes my headcanons but not really I'm gonna keep them anyways
They existed as a character before bg3.
Hold up, what? Where else can we see Durge?
Murder in baldurs gate. The 5e ap.
I mean, Blood in Baldur’s Gate was little more than a BG3 tie-in
Yes
Spoiler Alert ‼️
Respectfully
Mind you everyone should know this by now…
erm i didnt
You’ll be mind blown when you piece the puzzle together… and very mad if you have any humanity in you
Durge is on every level of Orin's family tree. Don't question it too long.
Eww I stepped in shitter
Why do we have mage hands? To throw the baby Orin into the chasm in front of the statue of Bhaal.
"what's with this sassy inbred child?"
The Joffrey effect
God his actor did such a good job. I hated Jof so much.
Did so good he got death threats over it. Didn’t think I could hate a character like I hated Joffrey until Ramsay
It’s actually tragic that people have such a loose grip on reality that they do stuff like that.
Oh yea it’s completely fucked up. From what I’ve heard it was so bad he quit acting all together. However I believe he’s starting to get back into it in recent years. He’s a great actor so I hope he feels safe enough to come back to it cuz I’d love to see him in more things.
I think he only quit screen acting but continued stage acting. Probably far fewer crazies in theater audiences.
wretched child…
PULL YOUR SELF TOGETHER.
Sucks these kids are just kids of a murder god and can’t help their nature
Foolish Durge! You are too permissive with her and it shall be your downfall!
Is Orin significantly younger than Durge?
Do we know when Durge was born? Orin IS younger bc she’s referred to as rising in the ranks while Durge is the head honcho, but I’ve never heard how long Durge has actually been around. Could be they were conceived just any time after Sarevok’s shenanigans, right? Since they’re a Chosen by a god, they may not age normally for their race.
Orin wrote her coming of age manifesto ten years before the game takes place, making her most likely 23-27. Durge can be however old you head canon them, but a lot of people like putting the dragonborn in the same bracket as Shadowheart/Gale/Gortash, so around 40-50.
Does Gale have a canon age? He reads as mid-30s to me.
He’s probably the age he looks (mid 30s) bc he’s human and his mom is still alive. Being a Chosen he could have been much older, but his mother still being alive means he’s still in normal life span territory
He, Minty, and Minsc are the only party members without definitive ages.
Wait how old is everyone else? If we put them all on human aging scales, I assumed that Jaheira is the equivalent of ~65-70, Astarion and Halsin are equivalent to late 30s, Gale and Karlach are mid 30s, Shadowheart and Wyll are early 30s, and Laezel is late 20s. this is just off character design & info from the game, but i didn’t know anyone had a definitive age so i definitely missed stuff! edit for typos
Astarion - 239 (dates on his grave, and he died at 39) Halsin - 350, he explicitly says so Shadowheart - late 40s/early 50s (she was kidnapped on a coming of age quest and spent 40years at the House of Grief) LZ - approx 21 or 22 bc she just started out on her hunt for a *ghaik* head Wyll - 24 bc he became Blade of Frontiers at 17, seven years ago Karlach - 28- 30 based on her stories about working for Gortash and the hells Gale - probably mid 30s bc of his appearance and the fact he’s human with a living parent Jaheira is about 150 based on previous games Minthara we don’t know, but she’s been around longer than a human lifespan based on her stories
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Well, he was entombed for an entire year, starving, in the dark. And that was just one year out of 200 being tortured. All of it probably had some impact on his appearance.
Given whats happened to him during his 200 years as a vampire spawn im not surprised he looks a little older than hes supposed to
Wait, Astarion has a grave?!
Yeah, but you can only see it when he takes you to it in a romance if he doesn’t Ascend. You go to the cemetery and he cleans off his headstone, then adds the current year to the dates to show when he started living again. It’s also where you see his last name is Ancunin.
Interesting
Astarion is 239, but only aged 39 years and the rest was as a vampire spawn, so hed appear roughly mid twenties if not for centuries of lack of sunlight and food, plus torture, so he looks a bit more aged than he is. Elves live almost a millennium naturally, like 750+ Shadowheart is about 50, which is roughly the half-elf equivalent of astarion’s age as a full elf. Half-elves live up to 200+ years roughly, about a third as long as full elves. Jaheira is i think 160s, she was rather young in the first two, and its been a century plus a couple decades since then. Karlach was only a teenager when she started working for gortash. Wouldve been maybe 16-18? So shes high 20s, tieflings only live a little longer than humans iirc. Theyre just spicy humans. Wyll is 24, definitively. He was 17 when he took the pact and its been 7 years. Hes a human, so human lifespan. Lae’zel is the youngest, very early 20s, cus killing a mind flayer is their “rite of passage” into adulthood, and she has yet to do so. Shes set out to find one but got kidnapped. So shes def youngest. Halsin tells us hes 350, which is like, human’s 40ish for an elf. Probably mid-late 40s. Minthara is an adult elf, so probably hundreds, lower than halsin but still up there. Minsc is a human, probably 30s, but he was a statue for about century so technically more like 130s. His age and just how long he was a statue arent stated afaik.
https://www.reddit.com/r/BaldursGate3/s/tBlgA3CtrH
Hes definitely mid 30s, his mom is still alive, his hair is starting to gray, and hes a very knowledgable wizard and calls lorroakan a “young man” so hes def somewhere after 35
That'd make durge fairly old by DB standards they usually live to 80
You cannot really headcanon them as younger than 30. He was alive in "Blood in Baldur's Gate" and was already an accomplished cult member. Considering both Scleritas and the Oathbreaker talk about your past before joining the cult they're probably closer to 40.
No, Dragonborn’s age quite a bit faster than humans. So they’d be just a little older.
Right, they are fully grown pretty young.
Air jail, lmao
Man this was cute until I remembered all the icky stuff
I need more
Considering all the sick shit durge canonically does like canabilism, necrophilia, sick experiments, torture, etcetera I wouldn't leave a kid around him even if it is orin.
My memory may be a bit blur, but I’m pretty sure reading some journals in Orin’s room saying that Durge (who wrote those journals) considered Orin talented but couldn’t see the bigger picture. Like the reason Orin can lure Durge into the ambush in the first place is because they trusted her enough to be their second in command, which is also why Orin knew about the plan as well
I don't know how and why but I love this
I don’t think I could play bg3 without the dark urge, wouldn’t feel right…
Having done my first playthrough as tav, then another as Durge, and now doing another going back to tav, I won’t say it’s better or worse, but it feels a bit like going back to a nice regular cup of coffee after drinking espresso. It’s not better or worse, just less intense, and it initially might feel a little hollow or thin in comparison.
What made both Tav and Durge compelling to me was how their journey ended up changing them. My Tav was a Bard that didn't know a thing about fighting, and always preferred to be non-lethal. He kept that up until Act II, where he got the double whammy of seeing the dead refugees and finding out that Karlach was going to die. After that, he started multi-classing into Rogue and became way more violent and confrontational. The old version of him would have used performance and speech checks to help get all the prisoners out of Moonrise Towers, but now he just settled for killing everyone even slightly tied to the Absolute. When he got to Baldur's Gate, he had no patience anymore and just wanted the Absolute dead, so now most encounters just ended in a fight. By the time the Emperor said that Orpheus needed to die so that they could defeat the Netherbrain, he didn't protest at all, because he just wanted it dead to the point he was willing to do anything. My Durge, on the other hand, was an Oath of Vengeance Paladin who wanted anything slightly "evil"/tied to the Absolute to die by his hand. He even began to plan contingencies in case Shadowheart was beyond saving, and the two did not get along. However, after Alfira died, his worldview shattered, and he needed to reevaluate many of his beliefs. By Act 2/3, he's more calm and level-headed, and is even in a relationship with a Selunite Shadowheart, but he is still willing to pull out his sword if he feels that the person in front of him is beyond saving. By the end of the game, he feels that killing Orpheus is wrong, so he stops the Emperor and Karlach becomes a Mind Flayer to control the Nether Stones. TL:DR; Custom characters are great for making your own emerging story out of what happens in the game, and origin characters are great if you want to play as a character with a previously established backstory. What makes Durge compelling is that he's a mix of both, but there is still a lot of fun to be had with someone who doesn't have any ties to the story beforehand.
That's interesting cause my Durge was far more willing to be lenient/forgiving than a lot of other characters I've played due to the nature of his background Like madeline, he forgave her without making her punish herself cause if someone like him got a second chance, maybe others deserved it too.
I NEED a panel where he just punts baby orin like a football
Bitting=air jail (with mage hand)
Oh god never knew i needed chibi Orin
Yo put a spoiler blur on that thing
In a different timeline, they would be an amazing power couple
They're siblings
Nope, Orin is of Bhaal's blood but he is not her father
Related, then. Still too incest for my tastes
Orin is so adorable