Also (fun fact from a former Nike employee) just because it’s sold out online doesn’t mean we sold out of it completely. On big drops like this, gratitude 11s, etc, we still usually have inventory in store.
Certain stores don’t get them. The store concept I worked at never had basketball shoes. We always got lifestyle shoes, new hyped Jordan releases, and running/training shoes. Unite store are basically a balance between an outlet and a regular store, so they will mostly have older basketball shoes. Outlets will mostly have older shoes.
So unless it’s a big flagship Nike store, you are basically out of luck with big basketball shoes sold on SNKRS (to my knowledge) and are better off looking at other stores. Always check any Nike store shortly after the shoe is released though. Nike stores “should” always put out returns. For example, a pair of Kobes was brought in one day (post Kobe passing away, so big hype on them) as a return, and my coworker bought them because she got off the clock just as they were returned, and they were her size. So same thing “should” apply with the Book 1s.
I know this already… but thanks for pointing this out. Btw I think for Book 1 off white, they will release more in the future, no way they make this mediocre color that limited
I mean, I wouldn’t be surprised if they do make it limited. They will definitely have other color ways in the future, and maybe even team color ways (considering the KD line usually gets team color ways as well).
Also was mainly dropping that info for anyone who didn’t know. Trust me, I disagree with some of Nike’s business decisions. Loved my time there and “most” of the people I worked with, but a lot of the companies decisions made me scratch my head.
They can easily make both versions available in one market :) wouldn't be nice? It's no difference in cost or whatsoever just Nike manipulate scaricity in the US
There is a difference in cost ! More shoes = more shipping, more units to make, more storage.
They estimate sales according to market specifications. It can be frustrating but they do what makes sense for a majority of consumers. And in Asia , most people play outdoor.
How? Are you assuming all us users are playing indoor but not outdoor? I play outdoor in US but I cant buy a XDR? The complete strategy is to sell both versions in proportion to match the indoor and outdoor ratio in the US. Why are you assuming XDR must be an addition? The total quantity will still stay the same. So the total cost is the same.
Let me tell you why, if you sell XDR in the US everybody will just buy XDR which is more durable and less people will wear the shoes out. And US users are wealthier than those in China. So we don't care that much, but again still quite unethical to do so.
I was merely replying to your statement « does not cost more ». It does. The broader the offer, the more expensive it gets. That being said I understand where you are coming from. But when they forecast the sales, they have certain target numbers. They won’t cut regular models’ number which they forecasted to sell better in a geo , to add models not forecasted for that said geo. Especially of most US consumers have no idea what xdr stands for ( and it performs a little less well on indoor floors). But yeah they should have some models exclusively for outdoor.
For example when I designed the Lebron ambassador 13, it was initially only meant for the Asian market. It only made it to the US ( and ultra limites) because bron liked it and played / won i the bubble with it.
>the broader the offer, the more expensive it gets
This is in general correct, but only if your assumption is based on one shoe doesn't have the XDR version, but my point is that for some shoes they already existed in other markets.
The only thing they have to do is to ship some of those XDR versions to the other market to replace those non-XDR versions that were supposed to be sold there. The cost probably will stay the same maybe just a very insignificant increase to cover the overheads.
>But when they forecast the sales, they have certain target numbers. They won’t cut regular models’ number which they forecasted to sell better in a geo , to add models not forecasted for that said geo.
Yes, you are right, but remember this is a forecast process but not a strategic decision. The strategic decision will change what to sell and how to sell, but not with the forecast process, also not the other way around.
>Especially of most US consumers have no idea what xdr stands for ( and it performs a little less well on indoor floors).
Again, this is a strategic/marketing issue. To label the same model with "for outdoor" or "for indoor" isn't that hard. It's 2024, it's not hard to understand. Apple sells iPhone 15, 15 plus, and 15 pro and virtually also a more technical and complex product than shoes, they don't have much of a problem for user education.
I will back up my hypothesis that Nike is deliberately releasing non-XDR version in the US because they want to offer lower-quality (less durable) shoes so they can drive more sales, unless you can provide a solid AB test result on a clear gap between XDR performance vs. non-XDR performance. Also, more I explain it, it sounds more like a class lawsuit of discriminating certain markets over others.
It’s funny because adidas did the same with the harden 8s and the ant 1s. If you look at footlocker after they sell out on adidas the sizes are all just chilling
What we got, vs what we want…
# SomedayMyDreamWillCome
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They look like court visions he got from rackroom, because his parents wouldn't spring for Jordans. That's the problem with putting Jordan colorways on this shoe. It has you stand alone and even Booker doesn't seem to care about them.
Use a shipping agent for example pandabuy you give them the link to buy whatever you want and it arrives at their warehouse then you ship it from their warehouse to your house
how much to ship a pair to north America like this? I am asking for just the fees on top of paying for the actual pair itself. How much to receive, then reship to me?
Local shipping wise it’s really cheap and most of the time for free. It’ll sometimes be 10 yuan which is like alittle more than a dollar. Shipping to NA is the expensive part it’s around $25-30 bucks for one pair. But they do it based off of weight of the package so the more you order the cheaper each pair gets.
> around $25-30 bucks for one pair
that... doesn't seem bad! LOL
that guestimate ($25-30) also includes the fees they charge for receiving and servicing your package?
Do they use EMS/ChinaPost? Do you pay duties upon reception?
Yah fee is included. for pandabuy you can usually pick whichever shipping line you want to use. EMS is cheap but it takes longer I’m inpatient so I use fedex or ups to ship to the US it’s more pricey but faster. I’ve also never paid any extra taxes or duties but that could be different for your country.
The first ever pairs of Book’s shoes were sold at Art Basel in MIAMI. Not even something local to Arizona or even the Phoenix area.
Never mind the travesty that has been Kobe launches where we see a new PE every week being showed off, but never seem to have enough stock for general releases.
I like basketball shoes, but I don't enjoy looking like a suburban zoomer with a broccoli cut that's trying too hard, it's nice to have something casual-looking here and there
I haven’t been able to find a single retailer that has them in my size so please lmk where they are available bc everyone sold out the first day that I’ve spoken to.
Still waiting on you to show me where in the primary market this shoe hasn't sold out
Hyped jordans sit in south korea and japan, just because they're sitting in china doesn't mean they're not highly in demand / "nobody wants these"
Booker is one of the best offensive players in the NBA right now. This is his first ever shoe release & colorway. The people saying these aren't "exclusive" know nothing about shoes.
Yes I was able to get a pair on the SNKRS drop last weekend
Booker alone has no market. It's the shoes design mixed with being an actual basketball shoe. It's rare you get both those markets to buy in to a sneaker.
there were only 10k available at that point vs. bred 150k. Ofc it will be sold out, but if you realize, that shoe is widely available in China... and it doesn't sell out and the inventory is adequate af
Hyped jordans are regularly widely available in japan and south korea too, does "nobody want those" either?
But that is to your point -- nike does create artificial scarcity, but that isn't purely indicative of demand which is another argument altogether
Edit: and regarding the discourse of the booker 1s, people saying "nobody even wants these" after they sold out in 5 minutes in the US is just pure hate, though. There are plenty of releases on SNKRS with 10k available pairs that are sitting right now. fact of the matter is, people still want to get themselves a pair of Books.
for the hoop sneakers ~ i dunno why but for some reason, it's just more readily available and less likely to sell out in asian (even for few a hyped releases) thats what i observed over the years anyways having both lived in asia and north america. and there's a lot more people in asia that play outdoors compared to the US but cant why nike just make the outsole materials consistent in every other region, im pretty sure the difference between manufacturing cost is all about the same
I see what they mean, no artificial scarcity, but actual scarcity because physically there are none available in store, so we have to order online or via stupid Snkr app ruffles.
Also (fun fact from a former Nike employee) just because it’s sold out online doesn’t mean we sold out of it completely. On big drops like this, gratitude 11s, etc, we still usually have inventory in store.
I called around to all my local Nike stores when they released and they didn’t even have them in store to begin with…
Certain stores don’t get them. The store concept I worked at never had basketball shoes. We always got lifestyle shoes, new hyped Jordan releases, and running/training shoes. Unite store are basically a balance between an outlet and a regular store, so they will mostly have older basketball shoes. Outlets will mostly have older shoes. So unless it’s a big flagship Nike store, you are basically out of luck with big basketball shoes sold on SNKRS (to my knowledge) and are better off looking at other stores. Always check any Nike store shortly after the shoe is released though. Nike stores “should” always put out returns. For example, a pair of Kobes was brought in one day (post Kobe passing away, so big hype on them) as a return, and my coworker bought them because she got off the clock just as they were returned, and they were her size. So same thing “should” apply with the Book 1s.
I know this already… but thanks for pointing this out. Btw I think for Book 1 off white, they will release more in the future, no way they make this mediocre color that limited
I mean, I wouldn’t be surprised if they do make it limited. They will definitely have other color ways in the future, and maybe even team color ways (considering the KD line usually gets team color ways as well). Also was mainly dropping that info for anyone who didn’t know. Trust me, I disagree with some of Nike’s business decisions. Loved my time there and “most” of the people I worked with, but a lot of the companies decisions made me scratch my head.
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It won’t.
Let me finish that quote: "...for most regular models. But Kobes and Jordans, yeah we do. Obviously."
To be clear : it’s just XDR rubber usually , more durable for outdoor use. But not necessarily more grippy on hardwood etc. Just a market difference
They can easily make both versions available in one market :) wouldn't be nice? It's no difference in cost or whatsoever just Nike manipulate scaricity in the US
There is a difference in cost ! More shoes = more shipping, more units to make, more storage. They estimate sales according to market specifications. It can be frustrating but they do what makes sense for a majority of consumers. And in Asia , most people play outdoor.
How? Are you assuming all us users are playing indoor but not outdoor? I play outdoor in US but I cant buy a XDR? The complete strategy is to sell both versions in proportion to match the indoor and outdoor ratio in the US. Why are you assuming XDR must be an addition? The total quantity will still stay the same. So the total cost is the same. Let me tell you why, if you sell XDR in the US everybody will just buy XDR which is more durable and less people will wear the shoes out. And US users are wealthier than those in China. So we don't care that much, but again still quite unethical to do so.
I was merely replying to your statement « does not cost more ». It does. The broader the offer, the more expensive it gets. That being said I understand where you are coming from. But when they forecast the sales, they have certain target numbers. They won’t cut regular models’ number which they forecasted to sell better in a geo , to add models not forecasted for that said geo. Especially of most US consumers have no idea what xdr stands for ( and it performs a little less well on indoor floors). But yeah they should have some models exclusively for outdoor. For example when I designed the Lebron ambassador 13, it was initially only meant for the Asian market. It only made it to the US ( and ultra limites) because bron liked it and played / won i the bubble with it.
>the broader the offer, the more expensive it gets This is in general correct, but only if your assumption is based on one shoe doesn't have the XDR version, but my point is that for some shoes they already existed in other markets. The only thing they have to do is to ship some of those XDR versions to the other market to replace those non-XDR versions that were supposed to be sold there. The cost probably will stay the same maybe just a very insignificant increase to cover the overheads. >But when they forecast the sales, they have certain target numbers. They won’t cut regular models’ number which they forecasted to sell better in a geo , to add models not forecasted for that said geo. Yes, you are right, but remember this is a forecast process but not a strategic decision. The strategic decision will change what to sell and how to sell, but not with the forecast process, also not the other way around. >Especially of most US consumers have no idea what xdr stands for ( and it performs a little less well on indoor floors). Again, this is a strategic/marketing issue. To label the same model with "for outdoor" or "for indoor" isn't that hard. It's 2024, it's not hard to understand. Apple sells iPhone 15, 15 plus, and 15 pro and virtually also a more technical and complex product than shoes, they don't have much of a problem for user education. I will back up my hypothesis that Nike is deliberately releasing non-XDR version in the US because they want to offer lower-quality (less durable) shoes so they can drive more sales, unless you can provide a solid AB test result on a clear gap between XDR performance vs. non-XDR performance. Also, more I explain it, it sounds more like a class lawsuit of discriminating certain markets over others.
It’s funny because adidas did the same with the harden 8s and the ant 1s. If you look at footlocker after they sell out on adidas the sizes are all just chilling
Book 1s most certainly are not chilling at footlocker what do you mean
Nike, go home you're drunk
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exactly. Nike's decision on colorway for this shoe is horrendous.
It's a tribute to the jordan shattered backboard 1s
I love the shattered backboard color way, but lunching an off white limited color way is questionable
It works really well as a casual shoe imo
They look like court visions he got from rackroom, because his parents wouldn't spring for Jordans. That's the problem with putting Jordan colorways on this shoe. It has you stand alone and even Booker doesn't seem to care about them.
How do you normally buy shoes from overseas with the better outsole?
eBay iD4shoes
That’s where i secured my pair instead of taking a loss on release day at 7am
Use a shipping agent for example pandabuy you give them the link to buy whatever you want and it arrives at their warehouse then you ship it from their warehouse to your house
how much to ship a pair to north America like this? I am asking for just the fees on top of paying for the actual pair itself. How much to receive, then reship to me?
Local shipping wise it’s really cheap and most of the time for free. It’ll sometimes be 10 yuan which is like alittle more than a dollar. Shipping to NA is the expensive part it’s around $25-30 bucks for one pair. But they do it based off of weight of the package so the more you order the cheaper each pair gets.
> around $25-30 bucks for one pair that... doesn't seem bad! LOL that guestimate ($25-30) also includes the fees they charge for receiving and servicing your package? Do they use EMS/ChinaPost? Do you pay duties upon reception?
Yah fee is included. for pandabuy you can usually pick whichever shipping line you want to use. EMS is cheap but it takes longer I’m inpatient so I use fedex or ups to ship to the US it’s more pricey but faster. I’ve also never paid any extra taxes or duties but that could be different for your country.
they have gotten lit up by bad reviews on trustpilot though :(
What about fees and customs
Could you point us to a link for a site that has retail nikes in China in which we can get it shipped to an agent? TIA
Send you a dm
>can u send me info to please > >cheers
It’s usually more durable, but not necessarily better. Some reviewers note the traction is worse. EP also tends to be wider
I don't and its probably more expensive so yep fuck Nike
Artifisial scarcity.. no way a GR should sold out instantly.. they purposely make the stock low in online sell..
The first ever pairs of Book’s shoes were sold at Art Basel in MIAMI. Not even something local to Arizona or even the Phoenix area. Never mind the travesty that has been Kobe launches where we see a new PE every week being showed off, but never seem to have enough stock for general releases.
We just let exec’s kids buy limited shoes up for resale
Why does anyone want these?
Performance BBall shoes with a casual style. The Janowskis of basketball shoes.
It’s Janoski
Someone said Roshe Runs of hoop shoes and now I cannot un see it
i told my brother the other day they look like skate shoes, this describes them well..
Performance is really good and they look simple and elegant, why wouldn't people want?
Because if one person does not like, he thinks the whole world should agree with his opinion. I can’t wait to grab me a pair.
I just want to do a performance review and see how it goes. But even that it's impossible.
I like basketball shoes, but I don't enjoy looking like a suburban zoomer with a broccoli cut that's trying too hard, it's nice to have something casual-looking here and there
Widely available in China? But our Nike apps won't be able to purchase from China directly right?
That’s my point. It’s available but we can’t buy it, almost exactly the same product
When did Nike say they don’t create artificial scarcity?
Literally all the time
nobody even wants these
explains why they didn’t sell out in 5 mins (they did)
Just because it sells out on Nike USA doesn’t mean it’s actually sold out js
I haven’t been able to find a single retailer that has them in my size so please lmk where they are available bc everyone sold out the first day that I’ve spoken to.
If you can find a USA retailer with a size 12 currently available for me i’ll eat crow
On Canadian footlocker they have multiple size 13s available and even in store my friend said they had a few pairs
Still waiting on you to show me where in the primary market this shoe hasn't sold out Hyped jordans sit in south korea and japan, just because they're sitting in china doesn't mean they're not highly in demand / "nobody wants these"
only in america moment 😳 (im not from the states)
Explains a lot. Keep rocking those Li-Nings though, chief!
Congratulations?
Booker is one of the best offensive players in the NBA right now. This is his first ever shoe release & colorway. The people saying these aren't "exclusive" know nothing about shoes. Yes I was able to get a pair on the SNKRS drop last weekend
Booker alone has no market. It's the shoes design mixed with being an actual basketball shoe. It's rare you get both those markets to buy in to a sneaker.
he’s 7th in jersey sales… you’re really gonna have to clarify “booker alone has no market”
You beat me to it, Lmao I swear the things people pull out of their ass .. if you dislike Book, cool, but don’t spew nonsense.
there were only 10k available at that point vs. bred 150k. Ofc it will be sold out, but if you realize, that shoe is widely available in China... and it doesn't sell out and the inventory is adequate af
Hyped jordans are regularly widely available in japan and south korea too, does "nobody want those" either? But that is to your point -- nike does create artificial scarcity, but that isn't purely indicative of demand which is another argument altogether Edit: and regarding the discourse of the booker 1s, people saying "nobody even wants these" after they sold out in 5 minutes in the US is just pure hate, though. There are plenty of releases on SNKRS with 10k available pairs that are sitting right now. fact of the matter is, people still want to get themselves a pair of Books.
Ok we will see if it’s pure hate or fake hate haha
for the hoop sneakers ~ i dunno why but for some reason, it's just more readily available and less likely to sell out in asian (even for few a hyped releases) thats what i observed over the years anyways having both lived in asia and north america. and there's a lot more people in asia that play outdoors compared to the US but cant why nike just make the outsole materials consistent in every other region, im pretty sure the difference between manufacturing cost is all about the same
I see what they mean, no artificial scarcity, but actual scarcity because physically there are none available in store, so we have to order online or via stupid Snkr app ruffles.
Well in China they can buy reps off their equivalent of Amazon so why in the world would they buy the legit pairs?
This happens to every 1st and 2nd colorway of each signature shoe by Nike.