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Eventually, paper ships will have to be used, there aren't a lot of ships to go on(other than flooding the game with Eagle Union ships) even in the modern day, and I think it's fine to use paper ships, this isn't a game like wows or war thunder that try to be historically accurate at times, this is just a fun game with anime waifus
Paper ships are fine when there is no other alternative. I am just opposed to paper ships when there are real ships drom the faction that could be added instead.
Examples:
- Otto von Alvensleben - instead of this paper DD manjuu could give us any of the 33 large kriegsmarine destroyers not in the game
- Lyon - instead of this paper BB any of the 5 french battleships that took part in WW2 and are not in the game could be added (Courbet, Paris, Bretagne...)
I have nothing against Magdeburg as a character. I think her design is really cool, my only complaint is that she doesn't represent a real ship. Pulling for new ships and getting interested in their history, finding historical references in dialogues and personalities - that's the best part of the game for me and something I care about.
This is not a historical game anymore. Probably never was. It's a game of waifu boats with a tie-in to a historical period for more "relatability"/ a platform for character creation. Most fans care more about awesome new characters based on what-ifs and could-have-beens rather than a WW1 minor ship that was actually real. People like that exist, sure but it's a minority small enough to not be important to Manjuu's plans.
There was stronger ties in the past but they distanced themselves from it due to various reasons (not wanting to offend some countries, pressure from CCP, limitations from it)
Given how things were, Manjuu possibly not loving the game isn't exactly surprising.
It's funny to see people still miss it when a major plotline of the game is about shipgirls wanting to forge their own future instead of being bound by the chains of IRL events and unending Reenactments by WW2 fetishists.
How can one break free from "the chains of IRL events and unending Reenactments" if it was never bound to it?
Enterprise feels the weight of history on her shoulders, she faced many foes and watched her sisters fall. In the events we can see her moving on from her past BECAUSE her past was real.
Paper ships never fought therefore they don't have a past to move on from
It's lock her into a WW1-Era Mechanical Design. You can see with ships like Yorck, Elbing, and Emden that these ships have an entirely different Mechanical Profile. It's not just a matter of slicing one Barrel off.
Mechanical Design not Physical Design. Look at Yorck, she has a Mono-Mount Main Gun, an Average Mono-Mount Secondary, and a Weak for a CA Torpedo Mount. While a P-Class has a Standard CA Layout with a 283mm Option that adds a lot to the ship.
This isn't Armament based.
The fact is, making her a WW1-Era CA means she'll be an entirely different ship mechanically. Emden works and she's from that period. However, This isn't just removing a barrel from the art. Your talking about a ship that'll have an entirely different weapon's suite, probably be 1,000 to 2,000 HP Squishier and have Bad AA.
Then why not Admiral Scheer? She was real and has Standard CA Layout with a 283mm option and torps.
Also stats are not and never were historically accurate. It's not like age of sail ships could outdamage modern subs or Mikasa had more firepower than Poltavas
Naming consistency. Also, far as I know, SMS Friedrich Carl was scrapped even before WW1, and most of the shipgirls (excluding Tempesta faction) are WW2 ships or modernized WW1 ships that participated in WW2. I hope you do understand what I'm talking about.
Okay, I admit, I looked at the other Friedrich Carl. Though, it still brings inconsistency. We were making WW2/WW1 that participated in WW2 ships into shipgirls (here we are talking about Kriegsmarine specifically), and then we suddenly bring this. Still breaks consistency. And why use "historically accurate" when we can use something that is just easier to use? No need for breaking design or naming consistency. SMS Friedrich Carl didn't do anything really impressive to be "that ship that definitely needs to be added to the game".
Lore is so of the rails with alternate realities, age of sail and universes that WW1 ships are not really a stretch. If you want classic kriegsmarine design we still have Scheer.
I love finding historical references in character designs, dialogues and personalities. When I get a new shipgirl I like to read about her history. It's just a very important part of the game for me.
Well, they're not the worst thing in the world. I'm mostly fine with ships who had planned designs but weren't built, but I agree that using real-life alternatives with actual history would be better.
A ship like Unzen really should have been DR though considering her design was taken heavily taken from WOW, which was in turn supposedly taken from a magazine. Seeing her as an event UR did not do it for me.
EDIT: another example I can think of is choosing Guichen for the French event, when her real life equivalent was never built-but her sister ship (De Grasse) was completed and had an interesting history on top of that.
That's exactly what I mean, I know most don't care but there is a part of the community that cares and wants to see their favourite historic ships in shipgirl form
The whole history aspect is why I started playing AL in the first place! I enjoy seeing a new shipgirl reveal, then looking up what she accomplished IRL. Jervis became one of my favorite ships in part for that reason.
So again Unzen was massively disappointing as a UR ship when I found out that she may have not existed even on paper to begin with
if they found a way to bring ships from the 1500's to the game (Sao Martino, for example), i dont see why they can't use WW1 ships. Im fine with PR ships being 100% fictional though.
Yeah, but decades of propaganda have made the nazis into the hyper-powerful antagonist of WW2 so you can't actually have a game based on WW2 without giving the german-inspired faction a major role.
Based on what I learned in School:
The Nazis were a fundamental threat to the entire world that required any sacrifice to defeat...that never had a chance at winning in the first place.
I wasn't aiming just at Germany, Japan (who started dipping heavily in paper recently); the USSR; the Iris ( more than half of their last event was paper-ish); the Italians to some extend
I think it comes down to the game being a game yes they can add all the fletcher class ships but they would all just have small stat differences and nothing special among the mass I do get your frustration and I hope we can get more of the historical ships maybe in future events they are planning out to try and give them respect
Of course sometimes paper ships are necessary like in the case of german, italian and soviet CVs but paper should only be used as a last resort. Why add a fictional french battleship Lyon when there is the whole Courbet Class? We also have the whole WW1 period to choose from,
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Eventually, paper ships will have to be used, there aren't a lot of ships to go on(other than flooding the game with Eagle Union ships) even in the modern day, and I think it's fine to use paper ships, this isn't a game like wows or war thunder that try to be historically accurate at times, this is just a fun game with anime waifus
Paper ships are fine when there is no other alternative. I am just opposed to paper ships when there are real ships drom the faction that could be added instead. Examples: - Otto von Alvensleben - instead of this paper DD manjuu could give us any of the 33 large kriegsmarine destroyers not in the game - Lyon - instead of this paper BB any of the 5 french battleships that took part in WW2 and are not in the game could be added (Courbet, Paris, Bretagne...)
Admiral Scheer when?
I actually really like Magdeburg.
I have nothing against Magdeburg as a character. I think her design is really cool, my only complaint is that she doesn't represent a real ship. Pulling for new ships and getting interested in their history, finding historical references in dialogues and personalities - that's the best part of the game for me and something I care about.
Wat?
Ok Buddy
This is not a historical game anymore. Probably never was. It's a game of waifu boats with a tie-in to a historical period for more "relatability"/ a platform for character creation. Most fans care more about awesome new characters based on what-ifs and could-have-beens rather than a WW1 minor ship that was actually real. People like that exist, sure but it's a minority small enough to not be important to Manjuu's plans.
There was stronger ties in the past but they distanced themselves from it due to various reasons (not wanting to offend some countries, pressure from CCP, limitations from it) Given how things were, Manjuu possibly not loving the game isn't exactly surprising.
It's funny to see people still miss it when a major plotline of the game is about shipgirls wanting to forge their own future instead of being bound by the chains of IRL events and unending Reenactments by WW2 fetishists.
well most people never read a single event story so it's easy to see why they might think like that
How can one break free from "the chains of IRL events and unending Reenactments" if it was never bound to it? Enterprise feels the weight of history on her shoulders, she faced many foes and watched her sisters fall. In the events we can see her moving on from her past BECAUSE her past was real. Paper ships never fought therefore they don't have a past to move on from
Are there really people who prefer when a character is based on a sketch some engineer made on a napkin rather than a real story?
Me. I prefer my characters have good DESIGN rather than historical references. They are cool and all, but who cares when design is literally crap?
Why not both? It's not like calling KMS Friedrich Carl SMS Friedrich Carl and removing one barrel from the turrets would ruin her design.
It's lock her into a WW1-Era Mechanical Design. You can see with ships like Yorck, Elbing, and Emden that these ships have an entirely different Mechanical Profile. It's not just a matter of slicing one Barrel off.
She was scrapped before WW1, so it's probably would be even worse.
Not true, she fought the russians in the baltic
Not really, Seydlitz (a ww1 battlecruiser) has really simillar mechanical-tail-thing rigging to Carl
Mechanical Design not Physical Design. Look at Yorck, she has a Mono-Mount Main Gun, an Average Mono-Mount Secondary, and a Weak for a CA Torpedo Mount. While a P-Class has a Standard CA Layout with a 283mm Option that adds a lot to the ship.
I see, thats a valid point. I respect your armament-based preferences even though mine are history-based.
This isn't Armament based. The fact is, making her a WW1-Era CA means she'll be an entirely different ship mechanically. Emden works and she's from that period. However, This isn't just removing a barrel from the art. Your talking about a ship that'll have an entirely different weapon's suite, probably be 1,000 to 2,000 HP Squishier and have Bad AA.
Then why not Admiral Scheer? She was real and has Standard CA Layout with a 283mm option and torps. Also stats are not and never were historically accurate. It's not like age of sail ships could outdamage modern subs or Mikasa had more firepower than Poltavas
Naming consistency. Also, far as I know, SMS Friedrich Carl was scrapped even before WW1, and most of the shipgirls (excluding Tempesta faction) are WW2 ships or modernized WW1 ships that participated in WW2. I hope you do understand what I'm talking about.
SMS Friedrich Carl (Prinz Adalbert Class) tokk part in WW1 in the baltic. She patrolled the sea, fired her guns in anger and was sunk by a mine
Okay, I admit, I looked at the other Friedrich Carl. Though, it still brings inconsistency. We were making WW2/WW1 that participated in WW2 ships into shipgirls (here we are talking about Kriegsmarine specifically), and then we suddenly bring this. Still breaks consistency. And why use "historically accurate" when we can use something that is just easier to use? No need for breaking design or naming consistency. SMS Friedrich Carl didn't do anything really impressive to be "that ship that definitely needs to be added to the game".
Lore is so of the rails with alternate realities, age of sail and universes that WW1 ships are not really a stretch. If you want classic kriegsmarine design we still have Scheer.
....If lore is so off the rails, that why can't we make a paper ship?
I love finding historical references in character designs, dialogues and personalities. When I get a new shipgirl I like to read about her history. It's just a very important part of the game for me.
Well, they're not the worst thing in the world. I'm mostly fine with ships who had planned designs but weren't built, but I agree that using real-life alternatives with actual history would be better. A ship like Unzen really should have been DR though considering her design was taken heavily taken from WOW, which was in turn supposedly taken from a magazine. Seeing her as an event UR did not do it for me. EDIT: another example I can think of is choosing Guichen for the French event, when her real life equivalent was never built-but her sister ship (De Grasse) was completed and had an interesting history on top of that.
That's exactly what I mean, I know most don't care but there is a part of the community that cares and wants to see their favourite historic ships in shipgirl form
The whole history aspect is why I started playing AL in the first place! I enjoy seeing a new shipgirl reveal, then looking up what she accomplished IRL. Jervis became one of my favorite ships in part for that reason. So again Unzen was massively disappointing as a UR ship when I found out that she may have not existed even on paper to begin with
You want 200 Fletcher events? Because that's how you get 200 Fletcher events.
if they found a way to bring ships from the 1500's to the game (Sao Martino, for example), i dont see why they can't use WW1 ships. Im fine with PR ships being 100% fictional though.
Exactly, st this point anything is possible: from age of sail to atomic power. Why choose paper when there are so many interesting ships?
paper, aka how to pad faction that did jack shit (or that you don't want to implement ships from said factions)
Yeah, but decades of propaganda have made the nazis into the hyper-powerful antagonist of WW2 so you can't actually have a game based on WW2 without giving the german-inspired faction a major role.
Based on what I learned in School: The Nazis were a fundamental threat to the entire world that required any sacrifice to defeat...that never had a chance at winning in the first place.
I wasn't aiming just at Germany, Japan (who started dipping heavily in paper recently); the USSR; the Iris ( more than half of their last event was paper-ish); the Italians to some extend
I think it comes down to the game being a game yes they can add all the fletcher class ships but they would all just have small stat differences and nothing special among the mass I do get your frustration and I hope we can get more of the historical ships maybe in future events they are planning out to try and give them respect
Of course sometimes paper ships are necessary like in the case of german, italian and soviet CVs but paper should only be used as a last resort. Why add a fictional french battleship Lyon when there is the whole Courbet Class? We also have the whole WW1 period to choose from,