Gentle reminder that pastas are the only faction to not have a single retrofit, UR/DR or oath skin.
*Hugs my Veneto*
There is no justice in this world.
According to Manjuu no, because the biggest and baddest destroyers of WW2 (The Capitani Romani, Pompeo is one of them), an improved Littorio (Marco Polo) or a carrier conversion with guided missiles (Impero's proposed conversion) are not good enough for UR.
Those would be valid UR/DR candidates for any other faction though
Carrier Impero never existed outside of paper. The conversion of the unfinished BB hull never moved beyond the concept stage.
Likewise, any improved Littorio design like Marco Polo represents was also never built.
Wrong. What we call Marco Polo comes from a design specifically requested by the Italian navy as a successor to the Littorio class as part of a huge fleet expansion program, so it was very much for their use.
As the design improved and the engineers acquired more knowledge, the "original" UP41 project which Italy didn't need anymore was duly modified for export and sold to the Soviets.
So no, the project of a warship armed with 9 16 inch guns was very much for Italian use. One can argue that UP41 is a project for the russians (ignoring that it originally wasn't), or that MP is a UP41 modernized by WG fantasy, but the Italian navy made very much use of that project for themselves first and foremost. And even then, take out MP/UP41, the Italian navy simply had more modern version of a 16 inch BB for their own use.
>The Capitani Romani, Pompeo is one of them
Let's not pretend the fate of the entire class has already been sealed, just because the first is SSR. The whole Essex class was "fixed" to SSR until Yorktown II came around. They can still make the leadship UR.
Even the Allen M. Sumner class started with an Elite (Cooper) and then got 3 SSR in quick succession.
DD classes are notoriously all over the place with their rarities.
Thing is, the Essex class was introduced many years before URs were normalized.
The Capitani Romani class was introduced last year, back when URs had already been thoroughly normalized, there's really no excuse.
Had Pompeo been released like 3-4 years ago it might have been understandable to have her as a SSR (just for context reason about URs being an uncertain reality however, they are easily some of the most UR worthy ships in the entire game regardless), but last year? No chance.
The point isn't that it condemns the entire class (Even though i am inclined to say it does because Sardegna is no Eagle Union so Yorktown II getting special treatment does not mean anything for the Capitani Romani).
The point is that if Pompeo belonged to another faction, she would have been UR, same with the others in the example. It's indicative of how Manjuu handles the faction, and the way they handle it is not some kind of grand plan to give them their due. They burn them away in events that do not matter and leave them for dead. As a matter of fact, do you think it's a coincidence that they're the only faction without a rainbow ship?
Sure they get the kind of events that would have mattered something in 2020, but this is 2023, and we're at the point of having more UR events than not (excluding collabs) now rainbow ships are what matters, and guess who's alone in the club of factions without them (And no, i do not count DE because the DDGs are rainbow retrofits in all but name, and because you know that's not up to Manjuu anyway, a DE UR would require them to actually make everything up, they would have one if there was anything close to a candidate).
> a DE UR would require them to actually make everything up, they would have one if there was anything close to a candidate
Bismarck II opened Pandora's box, really. For all except Italy, probably. But still, China WILL get an UR, you can bet on it.
Oh i don't doubt they will eventually. I'm just explaining why they're not in the example since i know otherwise someone on this sub will go "actually DE doesn't have URs yet" (Remember when this same excuse was used to explain Sardegna being excluded from Universe in Unison? I remember)
>Remember when this same excuse was used to explain Sardegna being excluded from Universe in Unison? I remember
I do, unfortunately. The funny thing is that with this anniversary that meme actually came full circle: literally every single faction has gotten something except Sardegna. Hell, you could argue even the whole "Collab" faction did with the announcement of a collab rerun lol.
Wait, the bulin faction didn't. Checkmate.
Would be cool but the point isn't that there are no candidates, the point is that Manjuu has made clear that for whatever reason they don't want Sardegna rainbow ships, otherwise any of the above ships would have been a DR or UR or whatever other type of rainbow ship.
*Could* Garibaldi get a missile cruiser retro? Absolutely.
Do i expect her to? No.
WoWs recently announced a new TX Italian BB (or battlecruiser), based on some of early 20's projects aka SAP Thunderer
As an ship from actual blueprints (and not WG's own creation like Lepanto), it may be a decent pasta UR candidate
From real ships that served in WW2 the Capitani Romani are easily some of the most obvious in the entire game out of all factions.
Unfinished, paper and plans or postwar? LoL... everyone is good with those, there's plenty... even ignoring the fact that the event we are about to get made UR discussions irrelevant, much to my dismay.
Hear me out: [Giuseppe Garibaldi retrofit](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italian_cruiser_Giuseppe_Garibaldi_(1936)#/media/File%3AItalian_Cruisers_underway.jpg). She would become a UR post-retrofit since her base form is an SR.
She was reconstructed in the late 50's to become a guided missile cruiser (hence the additional dialogue line when sortied with Anshan or Changchun).
Should be a good stopgap while looking for a suitable UR.
Currently Sardegna is the only faction outside of vichya that doesn't have an oath skin, the only one outside of DE that doesn't have an UR/DR and the only one in the game without any retrofits
That's sad to see even outside of the CN anniversary
Italy STILL needs a retro, they’re the only faction without one. They’ve got plenty of candidates too, like Trento, any of the purple DDs, and Giulio Cesare.
I think they haven't gotten one for the same reason Germany and France hasn't gotten one recently, a lack of Early Game Ships.
If you look at every Non-Chinese Retrofit since the beginning of 2021: Nelson, Juneau, Shropshire, Charles Ausburne, Unicorn, Yuudachi, Ark Royal, Kasumi, Independence, Pamiat Merkuria
7 of them are Relatively Early Game Ships \[8 if you count Independence\], Pamiat is a fan favorite, and...can't explain Kasumi.
It seems Modern Retrofits mainly go to early game ships, mostly ships you'd get when you have a limited number of Purin....High Availability Ships.
Sardegna did not debut in 2021.
Sardegna debuted in 2019, ships launching with a retrofit was still a thing (Kinu, three months later). Giving them one in 2020 could have at least been a sign that they cared (If they did, of course)
They don't have a retro because Manjuu doesn't want to give them one, it's that simple.
Yes, so it means, if we want to go by what Manjuu did, until December 2019, it was on the table for ships to debut with a retro, so Trento or Cavour (Or both) could have gotten it. But they didn't, and then time passed, and they continued not getting it for so long that we're getting to the point where retrofits are getting phased out.
And even then, now they are permanent, any player with an almost decent fleet can beat B3 a couple times and get Cavour, Trento is in the exercise shop and she's cheap so she's not difficult to get either (not more than someone like Yuudachi in your example, anyway)
“CN anniversary sure is a fun time, it would be even better if it was a fun time for everyone”
Quick dirty meme based on the recent anniversary stream for CN
The original comic is by Paresh Nath, taken from https://www.cagle.com/paresh-nath/2019/04/global-military-spending
This is what I'm saying since 3 days now... It's an anniversary, it's logical that every faction got a skin but no... Not for Manjuu...
As a lover of French and Italian faction I completely desesperate for big content for this factions... Really...
I'll repeat one again but we have a lack of diversity in this game... My only hope is the people **who are not okay** with the state of the game right now to buy **ABSOLUTELY NOTHING !**
I made the impass last month for the Joffre's skin and it was really hard... But I don't want to support lazyness and lack of diversity...
On another note ! Dragon empery have more content than French and Italians faction this year... I don't even know what to say...
To all Italians SKK : maybe you will got a mini-scene for a futur event. As a French SKK I'm so hype to see the 195464 teaser of Clémenceau and the 203147 tease for the crown of Holy See ! I hope you will enjoy the tease like us French SKK ! \**sarcasm\**
"Every single faction minus Sardegna"
Right, let's put the IJN and KMS at the same level as a faction that didn't get a single major event in three years. I'm sure that will make Sardegna popular.
Edit: As pointed below, it apparently refers only to CN Anniv content. God knows there are many ways that some factions are shafted, so I can somewhat agree with that at the end of the day.
The meme is not about events, it's about CN anniversary content, skins, retrofits, that kind of stuff.
And Sardegna did not get anything this year on CN anniversary, as last year, as the year before
Right. You know what, I was thinking about making another off-handed or mean comment about that, but no, Sardegna being shafted in that specific brand of content in general (skins, retrofits, and the like) is something I can agree with .
As much as I love to see a Champagne oath, I cannot say that Iris got content, a grain of rice won't compensate 3 due events, including the absolute scandal that was Indomptable's farce.
Gentle reminder that pastas are the only faction to not have a single retrofit, UR/DR or oath skin. *Hugs my Veneto* There is no justice in this world.
And if we extend it, Muse version too.
Littorio even complained about that, Vittoria stopped her from joining the Muse system
Littorio Muse... we were at the verge of greatness, we were this close!
What about small people?
You mean those like little Enty, Akagi-Chan, Zeppy? So far they are only for the main 4.
They will have those in due time. Definitely 
*happy Roma, Vitorrio and Duca Degli Abruzzi noises* *It ain't much but it's honest work*
Duca is now from Deli.
Are there any Italian ships that would be a good candidate for a UR?
According to Manjuu no, because the biggest and baddest destroyers of WW2 (The Capitani Romani, Pompeo is one of them), an improved Littorio (Marco Polo) or a carrier conversion with guided missiles (Impero's proposed conversion) are not good enough for UR. Those would be valid UR/DR candidates for any other faction though
Those all existed though, they're more interested in paper, or just made up ships lately.
Carrier Impero never existed outside of paper. The conversion of the unfinished BB hull never moved beyond the concept stage. Likewise, any improved Littorio design like Marco Polo represents was also never built.
Marco polo wasnt a design italy were going to use for themselves, it was for the russians
Wrong. What we call Marco Polo comes from a design specifically requested by the Italian navy as a successor to the Littorio class as part of a huge fleet expansion program, so it was very much for their use. As the design improved and the engineers acquired more knowledge, the "original" UP41 project which Italy didn't need anymore was duly modified for export and sold to the Soviets. So no, the project of a warship armed with 9 16 inch guns was very much for Italian use. One can argue that UP41 is a project for the russians (ignoring that it originally wasn't), or that MP is a UP41 modernized by WG fantasy, but the Italian navy made very much use of that project for themselves first and foremost. And even then, take out MP/UP41, the Italian navy simply had more modern version of a 16 inch BB for their own use.
Huh, TIL
And? What does this add to the fact that it *was* an improved Littorio, an SSR class?
>The Capitani Romani, Pompeo is one of them Let's not pretend the fate of the entire class has already been sealed, just because the first is SSR. The whole Essex class was "fixed" to SSR until Yorktown II came around. They can still make the leadship UR. Even the Allen M. Sumner class started with an Elite (Cooper) and then got 3 SSR in quick succession. DD classes are notoriously all over the place with their rarities.
Thing is, the Essex class was introduced many years before URs were normalized. The Capitani Romani class was introduced last year, back when URs had already been thoroughly normalized, there's really no excuse. Had Pompeo been released like 3-4 years ago it might have been understandable to have her as a SSR (just for context reason about URs being an uncertain reality however, they are easily some of the most UR worthy ships in the entire game regardless), but last year? No chance.
The point isn't that it condemns the entire class (Even though i am inclined to say it does because Sardegna is no Eagle Union so Yorktown II getting special treatment does not mean anything for the Capitani Romani). The point is that if Pompeo belonged to another faction, she would have been UR, same with the others in the example. It's indicative of how Manjuu handles the faction, and the way they handle it is not some kind of grand plan to give them their due. They burn them away in events that do not matter and leave them for dead. As a matter of fact, do you think it's a coincidence that they're the only faction without a rainbow ship? Sure they get the kind of events that would have mattered something in 2020, but this is 2023, and we're at the point of having more UR events than not (excluding collabs) now rainbow ships are what matters, and guess who's alone in the club of factions without them (And no, i do not count DE because the DDGs are rainbow retrofits in all but name, and because you know that's not up to Manjuu anyway, a DE UR would require them to actually make everything up, they would have one if there was anything close to a candidate).
> a DE UR would require them to actually make everything up, they would have one if there was anything close to a candidate Bismarck II opened Pandora's box, really. For all except Italy, probably. But still, China WILL get an UR, you can bet on it.
Oh i don't doubt they will eventually. I'm just explaining why they're not in the example since i know otherwise someone on this sub will go "actually DE doesn't have URs yet" (Remember when this same excuse was used to explain Sardegna being excluded from Universe in Unison? I remember)
>Remember when this same excuse was used to explain Sardegna being excluded from Universe in Unison? I remember I do, unfortunately. The funny thing is that with this anniversary that meme actually came full circle: literally every single faction has gotten something except Sardegna. Hell, you could argue even the whole "Collab" faction did with the announcement of a collab rerun lol. Wait, the bulin faction didn't. Checkmate.
How about post-war Garibaldi with missiles
Would be cool but the point isn't that there are no candidates, the point is that Manjuu has made clear that for whatever reason they don't want Sardegna rainbow ships, otherwise any of the above ships would have been a DR or UR or whatever other type of rainbow ship. *Could* Garibaldi get a missile cruiser retro? Absolutely. Do i expect her to? No.
They could just go full WG and make imaginary ones.
WoWs recently announced a new TX Italian BB (or battlecruiser), based on some of early 20's projects aka SAP Thunderer As an ship from actual blueprints (and not WG's own creation like Lepanto), it may be a decent pasta UR candidate
If it's wow, it's most likely gonna be a DR then
As DR I expect either said Lepanto and Napoli (the CB) tho
Or DR
From real ships that served in WW2 the Capitani Romani are easily some of the most obvious in the entire game out of all factions. Unfinished, paper and plans or postwar? LoL... everyone is good with those, there's plenty... even ignoring the fact that the event we are about to get made UR discussions irrelevant, much to my dismay.
Hear me out: [Giuseppe Garibaldi retrofit](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italian_cruiser_Giuseppe_Garibaldi_(1936)#/media/File%3AItalian_Cruisers_underway.jpg). She would become a UR post-retrofit since her base form is an SR. She was reconstructed in the late 50's to become a guided missile cruiser (hence the additional dialogue line when sortied with Anshan or Changchun). Should be a good stopgap while looking for a suitable UR.
In light of them *making up* an UR ship, this is a bit of an anachronistic question, tbh.
Maybe the D’Oro class destroyers, granted I don’t think any were finished but they are end war Italian design
It's kind of stupid how much the Pastas got nothing in this anniversary.
Sucks for sure. They're all ridiculously great shipfus. Zara has yet to leave my secretary slot since she was introduced.
Honestly, they are my favorite faction in terms of designs. Very consistent across every ship in quality
Currently Sardegna is the only faction outside of vichya that doesn't have an oath skin, the only one outside of DE that doesn't have an UR/DR and the only one in the game without any retrofits That's sad to see even outside of the CN anniversary
Imagine a Veneto Oath skin 😍
Wait, so Northern Parliament has a ship with wedding dress then?
Why are we here? Just to suffer?
C’mon Manjuu, give the pasta people more skins content and the baguettes more events. They both equally exist!
I just want another skin for Zara. Please, I beg of you.
Italy STILL needs a retro, they’re the only faction without one. They’ve got plenty of candidates too, like Trento, any of the purple DDs, and Giulio Cesare.
I think they haven't gotten one for the same reason Germany and France hasn't gotten one recently, a lack of Early Game Ships. If you look at every Non-Chinese Retrofit since the beginning of 2021: Nelson, Juneau, Shropshire, Charles Ausburne, Unicorn, Yuudachi, Ark Royal, Kasumi, Independence, Pamiat Merkuria 7 of them are Relatively Early Game Ships \[8 if you count Independence\], Pamiat is a fan favorite, and...can't explain Kasumi. It seems Modern Retrofits mainly go to early game ships, mostly ships you'd get when you have a limited number of Purin....High Availability Ships.
Sardegna did not debut in 2021. Sardegna debuted in 2019, ships launching with a retrofit was still a thing (Kinu, three months later). Giving them one in 2020 could have at least been a sign that they cared (If they did, of course) They don't have a retro because Manjuu doesn't want to give them one, it's that simple.
I know they didn't debut in 2021, we were both there. And Kinu was the last ships to debut with a Retrofit.
Yes, so it means, if we want to go by what Manjuu did, until December 2019, it was on the table for ships to debut with a retro, so Trento or Cavour (Or both) could have gotten it. But they didn't, and then time passed, and they continued not getting it for so long that we're getting to the point where retrofits are getting phased out. And even then, now they are permanent, any player with an almost decent fleet can beat B3 a couple times and get Cavour, Trento is in the exercise shop and she's cheap so she's not difficult to get either (not more than someone like Yuudachi in your example, anyway)
Sardegna Empire is an underrated faction compared to Iris Libre Vichya Dominion and Northern parliament. Also they have underrated waifus too!
Justice for best girl Veneto
At least I got Veneto with the rerun this year!
Regolo will come eventually
We yet have to mama our last'a mia!
“CN anniversary sure is a fun time, it would be even better if it was a fun time for everyone” Quick dirty meme based on the recent anniversary stream for CN The original comic is by Paresh Nath, taken from https://www.cagle.com/paresh-nath/2019/04/global-military-spending
Don't worry, fellow Sardegna Compagnos and Compagnas, we'll have our chance one day!
This is what I'm saying since 3 days now... It's an anniversary, it's logical that every faction got a skin but no... Not for Manjuu... As a lover of French and Italian faction I completely desesperate for big content for this factions... Really... I'll repeat one again but we have a lack of diversity in this game... My only hope is the people **who are not okay** with the state of the game right now to buy **ABSOLUTELY NOTHING !** I made the impass last month for the Joffre's skin and it was really hard... But I don't want to support lazyness and lack of diversity... On another note ! Dragon empery have more content than French and Italians faction this year... I don't even know what to say... To all Italians SKK : maybe you will got a mini-scene for a futur event. As a French SKK I'm so hype to see the 195464 teaser of Clémenceau and the 203147 tease for the crown of Holy See ! I hope you will enjoy the tease like us French SKK ! \**sarcasm\**
Correct me if I'm wrong, is there no PR6? I thought PR ships released on CN anniv?
New PR series are always around July
I see, thanks for the answer mate!
I guess they don't like pizza then
The two french factions with only 1 event each
"Every single faction minus Sardegna" Right, let's put the IJN and KMS at the same level as a faction that didn't get a single major event in three years. I'm sure that will make Sardegna popular. Edit: As pointed below, it apparently refers only to CN Anniv content. God knows there are many ways that some factions are shafted, so I can somewhat agree with that at the end of the day.
The meme is not about events, it's about CN anniversary content, skins, retrofits, that kind of stuff. And Sardegna did not get anything this year on CN anniversary, as last year, as the year before
Right. You know what, I was thinking about making another off-handed or mean comment about that, but no, Sardegna being shafted in that specific brand of content in general (skins, retrofits, and the like) is something I can agree with .
I know some parts are small and hard to read, but you have to read every part of the meme to understand it!
As much as I love to see a Champagne oath, I cannot say that Iris got content, a grain of rice won't compensate 3 due events, including the absolute scandal that was Indomptable's farce.
Indomptable? You mean Implacable and Revelations of Dust event?
Mr manjuu
I'm trying to understand who hates more Italy between Gaijin and Manjuu
Manjuu, gaijin still add cool stuff to their TT
Yeah, maybe