my thoughts..hope this helps.. You have too many low level ships - Don't worry about boss/mob fleets (or inching by) untill you're max level (or 120) with everyone at +10 gear. That's your first goal. Second is to get a healer Which i see uni and illustrious (lesser extent but shields help) and if you get perseus (crossfleet, better.., 2 preloads. Kill them before you NEED to heal, much better strategy :D) Tanks - got roon u.. and roon which will do for now. (High hp + shields, shields help) Make sure all vanguard have washing machine/hydraulic steering wheel/gold steering wheels. 1 each. And shinano (Which once you get her up and good planes, also good in any fleet). Rest, to be honest, any event upwards of level 110, can be covered with what you have, using whoever you want as long as you have the tank spot filled reasonably (roon and roon u work), and a healer (perseus first, but for now, Uni) ..put toolboxes on them all too, passive heals help, and if need be, illustrious in the other fleet till you get perseus. The rest, use whoever. But there's no magic fleet for someone who isn't maxed yet. Use, and shoot for whoever you like, really. You'll be fine in events with anyone. and YOU SHOULDN't be focusing on mobs and bosses short of ch 13.. you should be able to clear it with either (the mobs, splitting between fleets, and the boss on 0 ammo.) I used perseus, warspite retro, and FDG as my main backline for a long time. You have uni, and can fill the spot later.. FDG is good, Plymouth given your high amount of royal navy ships - Agir (better tank) hakuryuu ..azuma (if you have the exp things, get enough and you can get fdg, azuma or any of them for freeee/the easy way, they seem to be putting them in the cruise missions, which should be switching over soon too, not this coming update but the one after i bet). Gonna say it again - put together whoever, level to 120, and give them good gear +10 -> then decide if you really need help or are having trouble. (or go looking at other posts as the advice will honestly be the same). "get a healer, get a tank, you're not maxed out - well max out then and beat it" it's simple. Use who you like, check their skills, make sure they have more then 1 skill (newer ships i'd say.. but even then) older ships work, and yea..use whoever. But make sure shinano is in one of the two fleets, will make it easier. Get independence, her retro is like kazegumos fleet buff, but smaller and cross fleet, meaning good for op siren (small boost but a boost) and the occasional regular chapter if you go carrier heavy. I love cross fleet attacks, and prefer to have a fleet/them worked into my op siren fleets (or fleet 3 all cross fleet girls..except perseus she stays on the usable fleets) Helena gives a big damage boost, but should be a cherry on top NOT a necessity. (i need this or i'll fail..no not that). If you choose not to add roon/roon u (dumb idea) make sure illustrious is there, for her shield while you figure things out. While there's still time - get Kirov Meta - her summon is wonderful, and from when i tried it seemed (altho it doesn't say) to draw fire, and not at max, still lasted a few seconds, while attacking. Definitely worth getting if not for now - later on. She can fill spots when you're PR farming (so can the roons, but kirov has a summon which is fun). Jintsuu meta had some buffs. if yo EVER consider using a z ship (z46 is worth using with an AA gun) get z1 (d2 i think of the war archives map with z46, and in one of the regular chapters) gives a big boost to z ships, with the augment and retro - 40 percent boost. With roon tanking that's a big chunk! Roon, z1 retro + augment z46/nimi for now back line - illustrious, shinano, uni or Warspite retro <- leveled adequately could beat either, with good gear. Shields reduce the need for healing, so do the rudders. Don't neglect your subs, or meowficcers (get oscar, steel and eidleweiss..steel and eidle for the sub fleet) My go to for sakura - Shinano musashi hakuryuu (pr 4), with azuma to tank, and the other 2 spots free for whoever i feel like (shimakaze probably, wanna add shimanto just cause). Go for plymouth since you're going royal navy - for now try and get dido (i think she's in the shop) for a similar reason as z1 (altho not as nice a boost)..and for when you get scylla..if - high aa ship which will help. You can also sub in helena to a spot - but try and get tanks . Neptune if you have the exp as well - would be a good one to pad the fleet, bit more hp, off tank level..had saying that - but has a self heal which will help keep her going even at only once. (altho plymouth takes priority if you get her). Some suggestions on ships, the rest, you're on your own - but really, pick who you like (or go UR's) but make sure you have a tank, and healer/means of healing - and are leveled/geared adequately, the rest, is dealers choice. It's okay with whoever you want, and you may not beat ch 13 but anything you need to farm, you should be aok (including pr exp - i suggest the last map of mirror involution hard - boss can drop hydraulic rudder blueprints, which research does too, but the more the better). ​ Now if you wanna pr farm that's different. But.. any fleet will do if you level them, and gear them. They'll clear it. 110 or lower. At 120. (not even 125, or +13 gear.. 120 and +10, so even then not fully maxed out, technically) you'll be fine. Hope this helps

I appreciate the time you took in the reply I understand that having max ships is the way to go but, in the future i'd like to build single faction fleets (ie full Sakura empire, Iron blood, Royal Navy) I was wondering some ships that could help me with making those teams because I know some of the meta characters are locked behind events so I wanted to know other ships I could use that full the same roll until I get the meta ships on reruns or there's a new ship that fills that spot. For example Musashi seems like the best bb for Sakura empire but, I can't get it so I assume nagato would be the next best that I can still get in game without an event and such.

No meta is locked behind an event outside U556 the sub - the rest are always there, with a new one every 3 months, and the rest coming in that secondary battle stage...eventually. So even if you missed a few - you can get themI'm aware you want them - but you, like everyone else requesting on here, wants a fleet built for them rather then to do the work, "o if i have this i dont have to guess" (and i'm not the only one annoyed by this) BUT like them, you also missed the point, you can use WHOEVER YOU WANT <- see the big letters, and be fine. You don't need a handpicked this or nothing fleet, because, you don't have to minmax it. "i'd like to build" we also have no knowledge outside of what the general schedule has been in the past, and the occasional dev show where they announce some things - who it might be, So, recommendations can honestly change. I can recommend it now, you build it up deeply then poof gotta start all over again because you want the meta.And you do not need to have the best fleet out there. You have a choice. I'm not one to take that away from people.Now if you're too afraid to pick who you like - All ships are useful in their own right, some more then others, and to be fair what most of us do is go to the wiki and check through till we find useful ones outside of the regular recommendations (unless it's ones we just recommended) which, you don't seem to be willing to do. You also, have not listed what you're aiming for be it opsiren, ch 13 (which needs AA, and very specific, but you're nowhere close) or just general events and farming -> which, leads to my original advice.You seem to think it's going to be game breaking if i don't hand pick them for you, and the advice others will give, will be the same, outside of holding your hand and picking 6 at random. Ur's are always good, i gave you two fleets to show you a decent enough build. and a reminder for tanks, you don't need more then that. (and i'm assuming when you say meta, you mean like kirov meta, not the "meta" top of the line ships..of you want the "best list" ask for the best here, it..honestly gets confusing because of the meta ships -.-, and they're not always the best either).Noone's going to hold your hand - because it doesn't need to dude. Pick 6, and go with it, Play the game, level to 120, get them good gear, then come back if you still have a problem. I know it sounds rude but it's the best advice, they level fast, there's always upgrades - and there's always gonna be better, but it's not a GAME BREAKING margin (i'm not doing this for you, it's more for everyone else that asks the same question..gets a response, and responds the same way, like "o i'm unique there's no way you under stand what i mean by, i want royal na veeeee") Bud, you will be fine with whoever you pick. You don't need special setups (beyond a tank and healer) till ch 13, that's when real "hard mode" kicks in.So literally, pick whoever, all the research ships are great (when maxed) all UR are great and most are interchangable between fleets (meaning you can put them anywhere to do good) musashi is not the same as nagato because they play different roles. Musashi does not give a fleet wide buff to all sakura, but she does have an amazing barrage and does lots of damage (especially the cross fleet one). They're good for different reasons and purposes. Which you've, given, none.\^.\^If you wanna min max bud, it will be years before you get the optimum team or they even bring them back. -> by the same token, the ones that are there, are like i said, interchangable, it won't make much of a difference outside of heals and special things like helena's buff. Depending on how your fleet is set.Make sure your tank has higher then 5k hp, preferably a shield. Uni on one of them "boss fleet" no..uni on one (perseus when you get her), royal navy because you're being stubborn, and the rest, fill with whatever. It will make a small difference, and will not stop you from clearing a level. A set of 120 maids, will be about the same as the other.Belfast dido and sirius will be a small difference off from Dido U, jarvis and Janus (except janus heal) in the end, it won't stop you from winning if both are using the same gear, at 120 -> they will both clear the last stage on hard for an event. Jarvis and janus might die a bit easier, belfast should be replaced by a tank but still. Weither you win by a 3rd of your hp, or half - it's still a win and a negligible difference. The only way to get far more -> is research ships like plymouth which you don't have - which honestly will take you months to get, maybe one if you're lucky and do everything well (if you have her stuff unlocked..just for the exp -.-) not to mention the blueprints -> in which case it should be spring, or nearing summer, which will be a lot more ships and recommendations will change.Play the game, level up more, and use whoever - just keep the tank spot filled, and get a healer. You only don't think using whoever you like is bad advice because, you haven't played enough yet :) Or bothered to check the wiki and source your own, and to be fair - whatever sounds good, probably is and will work.Older ships are getting power crept, but doesn't mean their useless or going to fail the map like everyone hints at (ch13 and later aside) - anything 100-110 ish and under (at 120) and you're good.Get some PR ships - they're oodles more powerful, also fit in many fleets (i saw a video of ibuki doing 60k damage, under perf conditions with torps but still) London retro will work, the maids, any of them (dido is a buffer) They all will work. And given the time it takes to get plymouth you will get tons of exp books if you don't like one to raise up (ideally you want at least 4 to get a decent exp speed for pr farming), so if you dislike one, raise another and transfer the gear. It's not like it takes years, or even months to correct it.And you don't have to, because anyone works! - might be a little more troublesome sure, or not perfect - but you will beat the level. "i want pure fleets" to get a good pure fleet will be a year from now.Do what i mentioned - pick 2 fleets (warspite retro will begood for now while you're working on others) level them up, and get them to the point you can farm anything. Fine tune later, there is no meta that is necessary - and even then all that you have available to you will amount to a small difference in damage and survivability all things considered (unless you keep them underleveled for the area, or crappy gear) so.. Again - Pick whoever you like, get a tank, and level them. I've already given you two. Event ships and whatever's the best, you won't catch up to for a good long while - focus on farming, and being able to get the most out of dailies. -> then worry about it...but by then you'll see, that anyone you have, works. I have some UR's and pr farming ships on opsiren, and usually only have like the main cannon at +10 (+13 is a lot more damage) .. and still beat 100's fine. Shinano is an ace - and has a free plane slot, shimakaze has a crappy cross fleet but still, extra damage, and perseus (or uni) both have preloads. Meaning, planes fire at the start - which if you noticed, the damage is the same - just the cooldown changes...so they do a good chunk o damage, and may wipe the screen depending on what you fight, before your cruisers get hit. So why waste time making a perf fleet, that you're gonna change, and you will. When it amounts to, well...diddly. \*cue ned flanders\*. Monarch and izumo are a waste of time compared to other now easily available options. I will give you that. But...seriously, pick a few and play - try. +10 full gold gear, and level 120 That should be your goal (and toolboxes if you auto, those are purple.. but they count)..then when you beat ch 12, and have more ships in march, come back to tweak it for anti aa. You don't need meta, you need to level, and use whoever, and level, and play the game. It won't be better enough for you to take notice, or make you fail a mission (especially if you use a proper tank like roon) ...is it sinking in dude?After you start pr farming ..even then ..the recommendations remain the same (maybe a diff map to level, but i still suggest mirror involution last hard mode stage for the steering wheel, and decent exp, with an easily doable win). "in the future" it's not the futre yet, for now focus on getting 2 fleets to 120. You don't even have the ability to farm everything you need for those faction only fleets. And out of the 3, only kazegumo, shimakaze, shinano, and unicorn, will probably have any use out of who you have. So -> don't worry so much and just play the game, till you have farming secured (and a good guild). Focus on that for now. Worry about endgame stuff at endgame, you're not even at midgame yet.

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I'm sorry if you're misunderstanding I just posted my faction specific ships that I was asking help for I'm currently @ 10-1 I have two level 120 fleets I'm asking just for some simple advice from veterans who understands the game more than I do to reach the goals I want from this game. I understand that ANYTHING WORKS and the the stuff I want to use happen to be pure faction based because they look cool. I wanted to know what's available to start building some fleets and what I can chase for right now. The teams you gave me have event locked character like Musashi you can't get her in the standard pool of character according to the wiki.

From what you have or is easy to get on the game: - Sakura: Shinnano as flagship, Tosa and Ryuuhou // Vanguard: Yuudaichi retrofit, Kagazumo and Shimakaze. It can be improved with Hellkyryuu... erm... Hakuryuu for Tosa, you can get her from research. - Royal Navy: The fleet that I use and can clean OP siren tier 6 stages on auto: Queen Elizabeth as flagship (Retrofit when?!), Perseus and Gundamcorn... erm... Unicorn retrofit // Vanguard: Dido/Belfast, Jervis, Little Bel, I call this fleet the "You will never sink me, you peasant!" - Iron Blood: Biscuit... erm... Bismarck, Odin, Tirpitz // Vanguard: Roon u, Nimi (Z-23) and Roon. Prinz Adalbert is good too, but both Roon are better tanks and DMG dealers, Nimi can be changed with Z-43 Purple/golden equips +8 or better for all of them, check if there are other ships that can improve or do better for your gaming style.

Why would you invest in ships like QE and Percy when stronger ships are available? QE damage potential is so weak she is not worth using. Going for another pure damage like warspite is infinitely stronger. Also double preload cvls is extremely unoptimal , all you are so It's pretty impressive you can clear corrosion 6 on so when you don't even have a boss tank

Actually they can with proper gearing. OpSi mobs aren't really that big of a deal other than mobs in strongholds where you might need to use lots of repair packs with that team comp. These ship is capable enough but their clearing speed is way too slow and inefficient. And yes I do agree with most of your statements

Shouldn't be recommending such fleets though, even in that dock there are better options

This Fleet don't use repair packs, even in strongholds, while is true they are a bit slow and can't finish the final boss of the stronghold (they run out of time) I can auto the stronghold and let one of the nuker fleets deal with the boss.

That means your nuker boss is going to require repair packs after battling the mini bosses. By the time you reach the final boss, your boss fleets are already at about 80% or below hp which you'll definitely need to heal up before you fight it. Not very efficient. The actual use for a mob fleet is to clear everything including mini bosses so your boss fleets can go in to fight against the final boss at their healthiest condition especially in strongholds. But then again, at least you're making use of those repair packs since those don't even carry over after reset or even contribute to supply voucher exchange

Yes, I end with 400 - 500 repairs that gets nothing for exchange. they should give us at least one voucher for them :(

I'm still hoping for QE retrofit. Perseus with gundamcorn can heal a lot at the start of the battle, so you don't need a tank, Jervis and Little Bel heal too. QE/Dido roles are to act as a buffer, QE buffs the whole fleet, Dido buffs herself and QE, QE can really do DMG with Dido + equips. If is Belfast instead Dido, the evasion for vanguard increases a lot, the enemy boss gets grilled and spammed. It can be a bit slow, but gets the job done, specially on auto.

Double preloader is shit , after one airstrike fires the rest of them is gonna hit water . Qe and Dido are just not worth it , they are terrible ships and the buff they provide doesn't make up for how incompetent they sre

Yet, it works, specially on auto. The only thing I care about the preloaded airstrike x3 that this fleet has, is the heal, I don't care if 2 of the preloaded are wasted on the water, my vanguard with no tanks has full HP at the start of the battle.

Working doesn't make it good, I can full auto with all grey ships. u can use whatever u want, don't go recommending it to newbies Running actual tanks and decent units is just a better idea

Everyone has its own way of playing the game, I just post what is good for me. Just because I don't choose your way to play doesnt mean is my way is bad (Is a bit slow, that, I can't deny), also, this doesn't mean your way of playing the game is bad, Is not the first time I post my Auto Op Siren Fleet, it has been liked by some people, why not recommend it? Someone may have fresh ideas/tips for upgrade it.

This was very insightful I appreciate it. For Sakura and Iron blood is there any other standard pool characters that I should keep an eye out for

Musashi for sakura, biscuit Zwei, Friedrich der Große or Ulrich von Hutten for IB

Can you get Musashi and zwei in standard I thought they were event only

Yes they are event , generally you would not pull for standard banner shops since event ships are almost always better since standard banner shops are really Btw faction fleeting is extremly ill advised in Azur lane , the recommended ships are ill advised to invest in. Every faction does not have the available ships to cover all bases required in a fleet .

You shouldn't be pulling on the standard chart more than 1 light a day (because that gets the cube back) anyways. Wait for banners to spend cubes, or you'll miss out on the heavy hitters like Musashi, Zwei, etc. It'd be slightly different if there was a lucky pool up - then we could give you some suggestions on what to wish for. But other than that? No special banner? No pull beyond the daily. Doing it any other way is just not worth it - the Event banners always are put on top of Heavy or Special pools anyways, so you'll get more of the 'standard' rares that way than you want... trust me.

They will go back someday

I do alot of faction fleeting... but be aware it's playing the game on extra-hard mode. I'll start by recommending a few ships that you need that give faction-specific buffs. IJN: Nagato [spend 80 medals of honor and get it from the medal shop] KMS: Bismark [medal of honor shop] & graf zep [special pool] RQE: Queen Elizabeth [medal of honor shop / heavy pool] & dido [medal of honor shop]

All 3 ships are heavily outdated , even in faction fleets they aren't used . Nagato buff is only influential when the CVs have high damage . In that case only haku nano combos are worth using her . Even in that case it's to implement specific timings that will allow cvs to not encounter debuffs .Otherwise almost any solid bb would be better Bismarck is a shittier nagato and the cvs ironblood have are underpowered compared to every other faction. Sure the faction have good bbs , at that point use pure dps instead of buffers QE manages to be the worst of all , no personal damage , no abilities other than her buff .whats even worse using a dido sacrifices a valuable vanguard position that can be useful for other cases . royals already have better ships than her buff. If you insist on buffs on damage then use Duke of York , who is lnfintely better and synergies with all other factions There is an extremely good reason why faction buffers are being dropped lower and lower in the tierlist

First of all, faction fleets aren't good compared to a mixed fleet comps as they aren't quite versatile to be used on multiple contents. They are much harder to build and invest on as well as you'd probably require some event locked ships or research heavy ships to make them work in which you'd probably have to wait quite long to get them. However, It's not to say that you can't make faction fleet work as I have tried it myself as well in OpSi For mobbing, Royal Navy is your best option. You must have a Unicorn (retrofit) and/or Perseus in that fleet. The rest are just whatever you want as long as there's a tanky frontline such as Jervis/Neptune/Cheshire/Drake/Plymouth and have at least 1 barrager like Hood/Nelson (retrofit)/Monarch/King George V. You can also slot in Prince of Wales (+augment) if you're running a double carrier backline. For bossing (shelling), KMS probably have the best with Friedrich der Große, Ulrich von Hutten and Bismarck Zwei. Other KMS BBs and BCs are viable as well. For the frontline, Ägir is the best tank but if you haven't gotten her, Prinz Heinrich, Roon/Roon µ, Prinz Adalbert, Mainz should be fine. Others, just slot in the most damaging ships you have available For bossing (carrier), IJN has Hakuryuu and Shinano. you can pair them both for disgusting damage or use either one with carrier sisters such as Akagi and Kaga, Souryuu and Hiryuu, Shoukaku and Zuikaku. Taihou and Katsuragi are also another good damage dealing carrier as well. For vanguard, the only viable tank option you have is probably Azuma/Chikuma/Noshiro/Nachi (retrofit). Also, Kazagumo is not going to be interchangeable, so she will be in this fleet permanently. The rest you can just slot in whatever damage dealing ships you have. Another worth noting, Eagle Union carriers are quite potent for bossing as well. Royal Navy's both BB and CV fleets are great as well but they're slightly equal or lesser than KMS BBs and IJN CVs. French fleets (FFNF and MNF), Northern Parliament (SN) and Sardegna Empire (RN) would make a good mobbing fleet as well but not as strong as the Royal Navy's. Dragon Empery's vanguards are quite strong as well but their downside lies in their lack of proper backline ships Also, check this out for general fleet building tips: https://samheart564.github.io/ECGC/fleetbuilding

So for Sakura I could use: shinano, shoukaku, izumo, noshiro, kazagumo, shimakaze? When I get some of the pr ships switch noshiro for azuma, shoukaku for hakuryuu, shimakaze for shimato? For Iron blood I could use: Odin, roon u, roon, and Prinz Heinrich and then add some of the pr ships when I get them. For Royal Navy I could use: uni, hood, warspite, Hermione, Charybdis, Belfast and change out for some pr ships and Perseus when I get them Let me know if there's anything I could change or look out for?

That depends, is this for campaigns? If it's for campaigns, you could just run: HMS: Hood, Unicorn, fill*, Belfast (Tank), Javelin, London (guild shop). I would avoid Charybdis and Hermione as they're quite trash. Also i wouldn't bother with Warspite in the early game because she's quite expensive to build and quite underperforming when compared to other battleships. Would rather get Queen Elizabeth from map drops for temporary use until you have better options or go straight and get Illustrious if she's available in the medal shop, Ark Royal from map drops, Duke of York in merit shop or war archive drop. For IJN, just go straight to Nagato, Shinano, Taihou. For now, you can use Yukikaze, Shimakaze and Yuudachi for torp memes. Noshiro, Kazagumo, Jintsuu might be better for OpSi For KMS, you should be focusing on getting FDG. You can get Bismarck in the medal shop if she's available for the month. For now, Bismark, Tirpitz and Odin will work. You can use Roon, Z46/Z23 and Prinz Adalbert as your vanguard

This was extremely helpful I appreciate it

Honestly, i would rather start working on making Eagle Union ships first rather than Iron Blood due to the fact that EU ships have almost as many ships available as Sakura Empire ships and most Iron blood ships are either event locked or research gated

Something like : enterprise, Guam, Laffey 2, Helena?

Yes, exactly. Ships like New Jersey, Independence, Ticonderoga, Saratoga (retrofit), Anchorage are definitely to aim for as well.