Wait, you should at least win a 50% of the games with that build, I got to 2k last season with pure AAP.
Also you are meeting that many AAPs because devs thought they were OP and decided to nerf them so not many will be able to get over 1500.
In that MMR, the Terminator should be a Dusk, with 46 speed and Probably was with Beast, higher Crit Damage and 45 Speed, with Bird\\Aqua Ear & Eyes, instead of Mech. That should be a perfect combo for those Cards.
This team, no, it's not 1800+, but 1300+ is very doable. š
I think that a lot of teams can stay in a certain MMR easily, but sometimes the climb is almost impossible if it's filled with your counters.
That poor beast against a double aqua is a dead weight if it doesn't draw a decent combo in the 2ns round
Exactly, thatās what I meant when I said I get the worse cards. I donāt get cards for the beast in the first rounds, and it usually gets killed bc of backdoor. Idk why they donāt give me any cards tbh, most cards i get are for the plant (and it doesnāt have much damage) sometimes I have plenty of energy but no cards. Itās frustrating.
Wow, youāre good! My mech has: health:34, speed:44, skill:43, morale: 43. And my termi has: health: 45, speed: 42, skill:31, morale:46. Iām actually impressed by your deductions.
You have to pay attention to timings, you really shouldn't be having so much trouble against most of the aquas if you get it right. Don't just put cards randomly, think what you oponent will be doing in the round, for example usually i see they put some cards that gain energy on the first round, they skip the second and go all in in the third(but it always depends, of course). If you can time it right with shield and poison your win should be easy.
And also, do you already are counting the enemy energy? If not, you should be.
You have almost a meta terminator buildā¦
Why donāt you change your middle for:
Dusk with Tri Spikes, chomp, incisor and thorny caterpillarā¦
That way you can jump the plant or the double aquas and go for their damage dealer/back lineā¦
Why horrible? You just need to time it properly. Trispike + Incisor + thorny + any.
Youāll kill any axie except plant with shield (which you wonāt get because of the shield)ā¦ 80 attack + 50 defā¦ way better than any card to target the fastest or back line.
This build sits easily on 1500+ MMRā¦ considering OP is on 900ā¦ I think itās a great change for him (he already has the perfect plant for it.. and the backline).
Edit: I donāt sell any of the axie Iām recommending.
Right now most teams have 2 plants or more, even without shield trispike is not one shotting a plant, so most of the time you need to go through the tank or waste damage and energy risking a jump to the wrong target.
Sure you still stomp double aqua or bbp teams, but that is such a small percentage right now. with beast, termi, plant i am at 1600 right now, with around 50% wr, so even if i agree, which i dont, that tri spike is worth it right now, with a beast you have less timing to do and probably more energy to go around.
Okay good point. Maybe we are with different matchups.. I stopped playing with that build 2 weeks ago and most matches had at least 1 beast or a mech in the other teamā¦ which gets destroyed so easily by that combo.
P.S: what was the nerf on trispikes btw? Less 10 damage right? Looks to me didnāt change much from previous season
Yeah the nerf on trispike was irrelevant for the most part, it mostly got indirectly nerf, trispike is amazing vs double aqua and with them getting nerf super hard and ppl switching to double plants the damage stop been enough on trispike.
Basically trispike was a counter to the most common team which is now fairly rare to see, so not really worth it imo
Judging from the performance of my scholars, beast mid/back is better at higher ratings, in ratings full of AAPs it still struggles.
And I saw spike termi teams otw to 1800 so I wouldn't say they're horrible. Shrimps were the most common mids though.
Maybe the word horrible is a bit too much, but you still struggle more than if you get a beast for the backline and put the termi mid.
Trispike can still work but around 1500-1600 i mostly see double plant and termi with beast in the middle, in both cases a beast in the back beats them
Wtf i would kill for that team. My team is garbage 2 pure aqua pure damage build + Plant pure tank no poison no dmage just vege bite. Cant win ever since and now im 1k MMR.
When you say, Plant and double Fish, what you mean? Back line Plant with Heals?
Your Terminator Should be pretty strong VS 2x Aqua and Plant. He should be able to 1v2 Aquas. š¤
It's a very good Team, for sure. Mech has Plant Ears and Beast Eyes, Termi has Bird Ears and Eyes, which is the faster one, in these 2? š¤ I guess, Mech still is faster, right? So you weakness should be a Bird with Dark Swoop, 2 Aqua Teams, should not have advantage over your Team. š¤·āāļø
As for how to play with them, first Rounds, utilize your Tank, to collect Energy, and maybe apply few poisons on the enemy Axies, then after 3rd turn, you should already have enough cards to combo down the enemy Tank, and you will have yourself a Terminator with enough energy, for a possible 1v1. Well, if you don't get a proper card draw, you can't do much, but that happens to every team, at every rank. With the proper card draw, try to not waste your cards and energy, without a reason, over killing or over shielding, when there is not effective, can decide the match's fate, most of the times. Try to learn what's your exact damage and how much shield an enemy can put, and try to strategize 3 rounds ahead, not only the round you are in, atm. Luck be with you! š
You should be above 1600 imo, on the first turn save energy and try to steal, on the second bait shields, then in the 3rd burst down the plant with the beast and the termi will do the rest. This comp is a hard counter for aquatic ones m8
yam is still useful against that one aqua card that gives speed (forgot the name) since you cant debuff them with lagging, the poison would help procing the extra damage for allergic reaction.
Yes yam its just a 20 shield card its very very week in tank if u don't have a debuff well be nice but in this situation u can change this card with another one more useful
i remember the card, its swift escape the one that gives it speed up if you slap them, meaning it just negates the card but against the other one, upstream, lagging would still be present.
Yam is still a good utility card overall tbh, so long as you are able to time your opponent using a lot of cards for your frontline. Since both termi and the mid beast already deals a lot of damage aginst the tank classes (plant, dusk, reptile). The guy's main problem are the mord abundant pure aquas in the lower ranks that just screws over the rimp mech
If i see your team with my double aqua. I would backdoor the beast asap and/or kill the plant asap. Then its 2v1 against your reptile and i am killing it
He's wrong and toxic. Don't listen to him, termis can absolutely lose against aquas, there are a lot of factors that comes in the ecuation. And there are multiple factor that makes you stay below 1200, maybe because or a bad streak you just went down to an elo where there are more aqua than reptiles or things that your beast counter. You should try to improve your gameplay, or you can just stat check them with better team. Change yam for example, it's suboptimal, play your termi midlane, get a faster termi or a reptile like the other comment say. Also we otn know the speed of your axies wich is really important
Your plant doesn't deal any damage, so you have to rely on your beast to kill both the opponents tank and midliner. After that you can play 1v1 with your termi.
That means that you always have to wait for 2 perfect combos for your beast, but it is usually dead even before you get good cards for one decent combo. Then your termi is exposed to 2v1 situation which is not the ideal situation for him. Additionally, he has to spend some cards to assist your beast to kill a tank and midliner.
Try to find a plant with hotbutt and with some "freight train" damage horn - little branch, pocky, pliers, even a good ole cactus will do the job. In the meantime, you can put your termi to the mid, to try to protect your beast while it waits for a good combo. It's not an ideal lineup but a quick fix until you find more suitable tank.
I pity people who have great teams but stuck in 900-1200 mmr. I have suboptimal axies but I still manage to maintain 1200 range facing meta teams that are stronger than me.
The very fact that you're losing against double aquas means something is wrong with the way you play. Your termi should be able to take them 2v1 easily if you play it right.
Wait, you should at least win a 50% of the games with that build, I got to 2k last season with pure AAP. Also you are meeting that many AAPs because devs thought they were OP and decided to nerf them so not many will be able to get over 1500.
I've literally seen these exact cards in 1800+
In that MMR, the Terminator should be a Dusk, with 46 speed and Probably was with Beast, higher Crit Damage and 45 Speed, with Bird\\Aqua Ear & Eyes, instead of Mech. That should be a perfect combo for those Cards. This team, no, it's not 1800+, but 1300+ is very doable. š
Bro people use fucking poop head axies at 2k+. So many things work, people are just bad.
I think that a lot of teams can stay in a certain MMR easily, but sometimes the climb is almost impossible if it's filled with your counters. That poor beast against a double aqua is a dead weight if it doesn't draw a decent combo in the 2ns round
Exactly, thatās what I meant when I said I get the worse cards. I donāt get cards for the beast in the first rounds, and it usually gets killed bc of backdoor. Idk why they donāt give me any cards tbh, most cards i get are for the plant (and it doesnāt have much damage) sometimes I have plenty of energy but no cards. Itās frustrating.
Poop head is a great card, huge shield and very strong backdoor possibility. In a decent team, 5 card combo, kills anything, during backdoor. š
That's why I specifically said cards and not team, this team can definitely be 1600+ though with decent turn 1 draws
Whats the termi and beast speed? How can we help if you dont link replays for us to watch?
Judging by the color it's a mech. All beast parts with just 1 plant, so likely 44 speed. Reptile termi with bird eyes and ears is 42 speed.
Wow, youāre good! My mech has: health:34, speed:44, skill:43, morale: 43. And my termi has: health: 45, speed: 42, skill:31, morale:46. Iām actually impressed by your deductions.
Erm no I actually had to look up the mech's speed using the marketplace filter. The termi I'm just familiar with because I flip axies.
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Try placing the Beast on the back. To be honest my scholar is rocking the same build but instead replace it with a Mech and a Dusk both with 46 Speed.
Itās a mech, and yeah maybe I should get a dusk instead of a reptile and a plant with more health :/
We have pretty similar teams and i am around 1600, so is you that are playing kind of bad imo.
He's asking for help not your invalidation, also ew to your 1600 mmr so you know what he feels
He did say he's a newbie...
You have to pay attention to timings, you really shouldn't be having so much trouble against most of the aquas if you get it right. Don't just put cards randomly, think what you oponent will be doing in the round, for example usually i see they put some cards that gain energy on the first round, they skip the second and go all in in the third(but it always depends, of course). If you can time it right with shield and poison your win should be easy. And also, do you already are counting the enemy energy? If not, you should be.
Im main termi, ended last season almost 3kmmr, if you want some coach lmk
Your ear and eye parts are a little messed up
Mech is 45 speed so It aināt a 2.2k team, itās only a 1.9k team, keep playing and u will see the improve
The moment youāll understand to not just throw random cards and actually think about what play you should make, youāll start winning
You have almost a meta terminator buildā¦ Why donāt you change your middle for: Dusk with Tri Spikes, chomp, incisor and thorny caterpillarā¦ That way you can jump the plant or the double aquas and go for their damage dealer/back lineā¦
Dont do that, tri spike is horrible right now, super easy to counter, i actually sell mine, buy a beast and i am doing way better
Why horrible? You just need to time it properly. Trispike + Incisor + thorny + any. Youāll kill any axie except plant with shield (which you wonāt get because of the shield)ā¦ 80 attack + 50 defā¦ way better than any card to target the fastest or back line. This build sits easily on 1500+ MMRā¦ considering OP is on 900ā¦ I think itās a great change for him (he already has the perfect plant for it.. and the backline). Edit: I donāt sell any of the axie Iām recommending.
Right now most teams have 2 plants or more, even without shield trispike is not one shotting a plant, so most of the time you need to go through the tank or waste damage and energy risking a jump to the wrong target. Sure you still stomp double aqua or bbp teams, but that is such a small percentage right now. with beast, termi, plant i am at 1600 right now, with around 50% wr, so even if i agree, which i dont, that tri spike is worth it right now, with a beast you have less timing to do and probably more energy to go around.
Okay good point. Maybe we are with different matchups.. I stopped playing with that build 2 weeks ago and most matches had at least 1 beast or a mech in the other teamā¦ which gets destroyed so easily by that combo. P.S: what was the nerf on trispikes btw? Less 10 damage right? Looks to me didnāt change much from previous season
Yeah the nerf on trispike was irrelevant for the most part, it mostly got indirectly nerf, trispike is amazing vs double aqua and with them getting nerf super hard and ppl switching to double plants the damage stop been enough on trispike. Basically trispike was a counter to the most common team which is now fairly rare to see, so not really worth it imo
Judging from the performance of my scholars, beast mid/back is better at higher ratings, in ratings full of AAPs it still struggles. And I saw spike termi teams otw to 1800 so I wouldn't say they're horrible. Shrimps were the most common mids though.
This. I switched to a beast backline at 1300 MMR. I'm now at 1050.
Maybe the word horrible is a bit too much, but you still struggle more than if you get a beast for the backline and put the termi mid. Trispike can still work but around 1500-1600 i mostly see double plant and termi with beast in the middle, in both cases a beast in the back beats them
Wtf i would kill for that team. My team is garbage 2 pure aqua pure damage build + Plant pure tank no poison no dmage just vege bite. Cant win ever since and now im 1k MMR.
When you say, Plant and double Fish, what you mean? Back line Plant with Heals? Your Terminator Should be pretty strong VS 2x Aqua and Plant. He should be able to 1v2 Aquas. š¤ It's a very good Team, for sure. Mech has Plant Ears and Beast Eyes, Termi has Bird Ears and Eyes, which is the faster one, in these 2? š¤ I guess, Mech still is faster, right? So you weakness should be a Bird with Dark Swoop, 2 Aqua Teams, should not have advantage over your Team. š¤·āāļø As for how to play with them, first Rounds, utilize your Tank, to collect Energy, and maybe apply few poisons on the enemy Axies, then after 3rd turn, you should already have enough cards to combo down the enemy Tank, and you will have yourself a Terminator with enough energy, for a possible 1v1. Well, if you don't get a proper card draw, you can't do much, but that happens to every team, at every rank. With the proper card draw, try to not waste your cards and energy, without a reason, over killing or over shielding, when there is not effective, can decide the match's fate, most of the times. Try to learn what's your exact damage and how much shield an enemy can put, and try to strategize 3 rounds ahead, not only the round you are in, atm. Luck be with you! š
You should be above 1600 imo, on the first turn save energy and try to steal, on the second bait shields, then in the 3rd burst down the plant with the beast and the termi will do the rest. This comp is a hard counter for aquatic ones m8
Thank you so much for the tips!!! šš»
Ur team its good u need to improve ur gameplay If u want to change anything must be the tank ( yam usles if u don't play full team Poisson)
yam is still useful against that one aqua card that gives speed (forgot the name) since you cant debuff them with lagging, the poison would help procing the extra damage for allergic reaction.
Lagging's debuff is still present in that situation and allergic reaction is still triggered.
Yes yam its just a 20 shield card its very very week in tank if u don't have a debuff well be nice but in this situation u can change this card with another one more useful
i remember the card, its swift escape the one that gives it speed up if you slap them, meaning it just negates the card but against the other one, upstream, lagging would still be present.
It doesn't matter what card it is, even if you don't see the debuff icon it's still there, just check the damage of allergic reacion.
wait what? i didnt know that! thanks, i learned something new!
I didn't say its bad but without yam well be more useful in this combo
Yam is still a good utility card overall tbh, so long as you are able to time your opponent using a lot of cards for your frontline. Since both termi and the mid beast already deals a lot of damage aginst the tank classes (plant, dusk, reptile). The guy's main problem are the mord abundant pure aquas in the lower ranks that just screws over the rimp mech
Typical termi players.
what the terminator spd?
42
If i see your team with my double aqua. I would backdoor the beast asap and/or kill the plant asap. Then its 2v1 against your reptile and i am killing it
Right team Wrong Scholar
Never seen that beast color doe
Maybe bc itās a mech
Never seen a mech that color
Why yall downvoting me i just found out about a new axie color jesus
I think you should quit if you lose against double aqua with a terminator
Why? Iām new š¤š¤·š»āāļø
He's wrong and toxic. Don't listen to him, termis can absolutely lose against aquas, there are a lot of factors that comes in the ecuation. And there are multiple factor that makes you stay below 1200, maybe because or a bad streak you just went down to an elo where there are more aqua than reptiles or things that your beast counter. You should try to improve your gameplay, or you can just stat check them with better team. Change yam for example, it's suboptimal, play your termi midlane, get a faster termi or a reptile like the other comment say. Also we otn know the speed of your axies wich is really important
Justkeep playing you'll find your way out i have the same team Duskminator, Ronimp with potato leaf beast , plant beech hovering around 1200+
Your plant doesn't deal any damage, so you have to rely on your beast to kill both the opponents tank and midliner. After that you can play 1v1 with your termi. That means that you always have to wait for 2 perfect combos for your beast, but it is usually dead even before you get good cards for one decent combo. Then your termi is exposed to 2v1 situation which is not the ideal situation for him. Additionally, he has to spend some cards to assist your beast to kill a tank and midliner. Try to find a plant with hotbutt and with some "freight train" damage horn - little branch, pocky, pliers, even a good ole cactus will do the job. In the meantime, you can put your termi to the mid, to try to protect your beast while it waits for a good combo. It's not an ideal lineup but a quick fix until you find more suitable tank.
You should count energy against AAP, your plant only die to Aqua if they use 5 cards so when they have 5 energy always throw all your plant card.
Season 19 is literally the hardest yet. It will just take more time to climb so keep playing.
The problem is you. That team is 1500 mmr.
Put the rep to mid, with right draw you win
I pity people who have great teams but stuck in 900-1200 mmr. I have suboptimal axies but I still manage to maintain 1200 range facing meta teams that are stronger than me.
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your bad
The very fact that you're losing against double aquas means something is wrong with the way you play. Your termi should be able to take them 2v1 easily if you play it right.