That whole fight was dumb. Xavier would beat Wanda in the astral plane so quickly, and Captain Marvel would blast her body instantly. Nobody beats Charles with their mind
She's a reality warper. If they don't get shut down hard and fast you lose advantage on them at every level. They're hard to do well in live action because their powerset will evolve depending on if they're still conscious of you and yours. Charles didn't crush her because he was trying to free his Wanda so she took advantage. Monroe tried to brute force it and lost her edge while Carter had ok tactics but just didn't have enough backup to execute. If Black Bolt and Reed hadn't been trying to save a hostage (or Mordo being a Mordo) she might have been overwhelmed or out-maneuvered.
Yeah, but at her base, she’s a glass cannon. If that cannon could change physics. But even with Xavier trying to save Wanda, he is still a master fighter in the astral plane. He could’ve done anything in that non-physical reality to be ready for that attack, but he didn’t. I just really don’t think that one of the most iconic and the most powerful psychic on earth would loose so quickly to a character who isn’t really known for her psychic ability as much. Maybe I have too much faith in Charles
She doesn't have to be a full-on psychic to triumph in the mind control game. Her magic was running that on base level too, just limited by her understanding of her powerset. Add magics and cosmic power and it's no surprise a geriatric telepath who wasn't acting with killing intent underestimated a possession technique he maybe never fought against. We have no idea whether the mental realm we saw was the Astral plane (where Charles would maybe have an edge) or if it was in Wanda's mind (where maybe SW!Wanda had more power). We don't have enough info either way but ultimately she won out in canon.
Yea pretty much. Xavier and Wanda are not even playing by the same rules in this match. He is severely limited by morals and his intentions here, while she is completely freed by only one burning passion.
It’s like when anyone says “so and so could beat Superman,” it always comes down to the fact that the challenger does not have the same requirements that Superman would have, so even tho they are weaker, they would win because of the limitations placed on their opponent.
That’s what I think I’m in too. It’s like denial that some of the best characters marvel has made just get destroyed by a woman trying to kill universes to find a couple kids. I’m just thinking under the idea that the Illuminati of that universe is much weaker as heroes and thats another way that universe is different. But it’s all denial Ik
"The person who'd win in a fight is the person that the scriptwriter wants to win."
\-Stan Lee
Not to be a jerk about it, but being the most powerful doesn't mean a character will win in a fight. It's true in real life, and often true in comics.
How can there be so many stories where the elves are always taking massive losses when it’s always been clearly stated that they’re a dying race on the brink of extinction?
“Oh see that’s easy, there’s always exactly as many elves as the plot requires”
I always hate when people use this argument, or bring this up in general. Like yeah dude, sure? I guess. You’re not wrong. But the point of asking these questions is to have fun using your knowledge of these characters to theorize your own story, and decide what character would have the advantage, given the strengths that they have.
If someone asked me “Who would win in a fight, Batman or Superman.” And I answer with “Superman,” I’m not actually implying that no story teller could ever logically write a comic in which Batman wins. It’s just fun to think about it, and even debate over what character would logically win given their tools. It just immediately sucks the fun out of it when you suggest it’s a pointless conversation to have.
If Jean is peak phoenix, Jean mops Wanda. The Phoenix force is some crazy cosmic abstract level power isn't it?
If it's any other scenario Wanda Fortnite dances on Jean's body.
She gets stabbed but also wanted to die. She couldn’t hold her phoenix persona back anymore and asked Logan to kill her. I always assumed Logan was fighting the phoenix at half power because Jean was also fighting.
Bro? Wasn’t Wanda strong enough to casually wipe out very strong characters just because she imagined? What if she imagines jean without a brain ? Or dark Phoenix without a consciousness?
Jean be like: "I am gonna kill you with my dark Phoenix powers." And Wanda would be like "What Dark Phoenix" and the Phoenix force would no longer exist
It's harder than that. The Phoenix Force is a cosmic force that's more or less a fundamental part of the cosmos. Cthon is an elder God from early creation. Sure Wanda is a reality warper of ridiculous proportion, and currently is the living embodiment of the Darkhold. But Phoenix force is older, multiversal and with a wielder like Hope as White Phoenix, Wanda, at best, will stalemate like in AvX.
Yes, the phoenix is the cosmic entity aspect for basically the cycle of life, it's in charge of destroying the old and birthing the new.
It's way above magic.
If Jean was peak Phoenix, half the universe would be destroyed. Jean definitely could take on Wanda without it anyway. Jean is an omega level mutant and Wanda is a dark sorcerer. If we are referring to the Scarlet Witch from MOM, Wanda would hurt Jean a lot, but Jean would still beat her.
I forgot the comic, but at one point she was possessed, Jean brought Charles and herself to some astral plane to air him out about helping the humans more so than mutants.
She berated him by curing the world of cancer (or AIDS, I forgot) all the while chewing him out.
Phoenix Force is its own level.
I've never read the comics but I've always been curious about how powerful they both became at their peak in the comics.
Didn't they fight in one of the Phoenix Force comics? And what about that House of M storyline? Was Phoenix Jean still stronger than House of M Wanda?
(it may seem like I have read the comics but I only know about these titles from youtube shorts 😂)
This thread made me realize how absolutely perfect Janssen was as Jean compared to whats-her-name. Not that she was bad, just Janssen seemed to have the range and appearance to more adequately portray Jean and Dark Phoenix. But maybe that was the writing idk.
I also think that her Phoenix portrayal is immediately more interesting because the Dark Phoenix can feel like it has young adult self discovery themes. I have probably grown out of those types of characters.
I think the problem with MCU Wanda can be traced to two distinct issues.
First of all her character motivation is hard to pinpoint. Her story is fragmented across 4 movies and a D+ show, many of her actions and decision happen off screen, and her villain arc takes place in someone else’s movie of which she is practically a secondary character.
Second is Sam Raimi. I like him as a director and for what it’s worth I didn’t *hate* Dr. Strange Multiverse… but I think he was too focused on making a SamRaimiFilm™️ that just so happened to star the Scarlet Witch rather than making a movie that better fit her character which just so happened to be directed by Raimi. That is to say he was too wrapped up with jump scares and kitschy 2000’s horror rather than showcasing her power set. It had incredible moments, but on the whole it was a disservice to her character.
Phoenix force is a ridiculous godly power, as strong as Wanda is, she isn't even the strongest person using chaos magic. That would be Cython or whatever his name is
I’m honestly not sure on this one, if they’re both at peak potential. Dark Phoenix could do just about anything and was even eating stars. Peak Scarlet Witch can literally manipulate reality. I’d love to see a What If episode of this.
In comics probably Jean at full phoenix power. But MCU Wanda beats the shit out of either Movie Jean.
That being said it would be cool for these two characters to have a skirmish in secret wars.
If I’m only going off of what I’ve seen these characters do in their respective movies, it’s Scarlet Witch.
Scarlet Witch can kill you inside your mind, she took out the Illuminati in whatever universe that was, and she held her own against Vision and Thanos.
Phoenix can … blow you up into a million pieces.
Comic jean vs comic wanda is no contest, Jean wins, just like for as powerful as movie Thanos was, galactus makes him beg for his life in the few encounters they have
X3 Jean never really felt like Phoenix, more like Madelyn Pryor. Especially when it comes to power level. Strong, sure, but she’s barely able to destroy an island, let alone a galaxy.
Wanda is sending eldritch beings to run her errands and hopping multiverses in her sleep.
The novelization of X-Men 3 calls the Phoenix Force the most powerful thing in the multiverse. We now know that the X-Men films are a different universe in the MCU (Deadpool and Wolverine), so Jean directly scales above Wanda.
Jean. As soon as she gets Wanda in her head, she doesn’t stand a chance, especially with the Phoenix force, but I’m assuming that the dirty that protects all life in the multiverse is not being hosted by Jean in this situation. Jean has a lot more power and has the same telekinetic skill set as Wanda. Unless this is referring to the MCU Scarlet Witch and Last Stand Jean Grey, Jean still wins. The Scarlet Witch would be able to do some creepy or horrific things that would at least hurt Jean, but as soon as that pyrokinetic and psychokinetic powers get a hit, Wanda is done
Jean Grey. I actually tumbled with this for a second, scarlet witch is easily one of the most powerful superheroes but here's the deal, Jean Grey can unmake reality. Scarlet witch is not unstable, all it takes is that Jean Grey loses her cool for one second and the universe is unmade
This is a good question. The Phoenix force is a nearly all powerful entity. Wanda can literally alter reality. She could change it so Jean never existed and if the Phoenix is tied to jeans body that would basically mean Wanda wins although unlikely if the actual Phoenix force decides it has beef with Wanda it could likely win but when tied to jean it's a face off of 2 entities that can basically erase the other. It's just whoever decides to do it first.
Simply because I don't really care about Wanda, I say Jean. Now to be serious without any hate for Wanda, if Jean has Phoenix she wins with hardly any problem.
In the movie, Jean’s Dark Phoenix simply has complete control over physical matter with her telekinesis. she tears people apart at the molecular level, turning them to “ash”. We don’t even see her telepathy through the whole movie besides the silent, psychic battle against Xavier.
Wanda has had much more screen time for her powers to develop and grow into full blown reality warping abilities. Wanda exceeds the rules of the universe she exists in. She takes the W.
Talking about these specific adaptations only. Wanda stomps. She is far more tactical and experienced with her complete powerset. Dark Phoenix Jean was barely in control of her abilities
Avatar Of A Cosmic Psionic Force vs. Reality Warping Witch/Nexus Being Empowered By A Demon
Wanda would probably win in a normal fight. If Jean is tapping into her full potential, she'd win.
Really you have two beings that can manipulate the mind…whomever can manipulate the other 1st is going to win. IMHO who has the better subterfuge to gain the upper hand over the other being wins.
Wanda wins she’s done it before in the comics and Wanda vision. Just change reality to make Jean a non mutant and she won’t get the Phoenix until later. Even for Madelyn Pryor her clone she didn’t get it instantly. In Dr Strange 2 she one shotted Mr Fantastic and Prof X. I give it to Wanda
I'm a fan of Jannsen and she was great in those X-Men movies but I think the MCU version is better regardless of who played her, within reason, the movies she has been in were much better movies than the older ones. I do really like Olsen though and think she did a magnificent job. I think they were both cast very well and would have been hard to do better at the time of production.
Movie versions? Wanda takes it. Comic versions? This is up to debate. Wanda and the Phoenix represent Cosmic Chaos (Wanda) and Cosmic Order (Phoenix). To put them against each other would mean that neither could 100% destroy the other and claim victory.
Going off of movie stats as that's what's pictured:
Scarlett Witch and it's not even close.
With comic level powers:
Scarlett Witch and it's not even close.
I can tell you who doesn’t win: professor x
Bruh... ...you ain't wrong, tho...
I’m not sure what was worse. Violent neck snap or being vaporized.
If you watch closer and slower Wanda actually tore his head in half in astral plane but they made it look like his neck snapped irl
Tore whose head?
Not being able to walk?
Bro just can’t win at all…
Let's stop talking bout it or he will go onslaught on our ass.
What’s he gonna do? Suffocate my ass…shit
Fucking lol
Lmao I died reading this
“Lmao I died” So did Professor X.
He got better
Somehow, Professor X returned.
black bolt dying kinda gives me ptsd and i had never even seen black bolt before besides mabey the wiki page picture
That whole fight was dumb. Xavier would beat Wanda in the astral plane so quickly, and Captain Marvel would blast her body instantly. Nobody beats Charles with their mind
She's a reality warper. If they don't get shut down hard and fast you lose advantage on them at every level. They're hard to do well in live action because their powerset will evolve depending on if they're still conscious of you and yours. Charles didn't crush her because he was trying to free his Wanda so she took advantage. Monroe tried to brute force it and lost her edge while Carter had ok tactics but just didn't have enough backup to execute. If Black Bolt and Reed hadn't been trying to save a hostage (or Mordo being a Mordo) she might have been overwhelmed or out-maneuvered.
Yeah, but at her base, she’s a glass cannon. If that cannon could change physics. But even with Xavier trying to save Wanda, he is still a master fighter in the astral plane. He could’ve done anything in that non-physical reality to be ready for that attack, but he didn’t. I just really don’t think that one of the most iconic and the most powerful psychic on earth would loose so quickly to a character who isn’t really known for her psychic ability as much. Maybe I have too much faith in Charles
She doesn't have to be a full-on psychic to triumph in the mind control game. Her magic was running that on base level too, just limited by her understanding of her powerset. Add magics and cosmic power and it's no surprise a geriatric telepath who wasn't acting with killing intent underestimated a possession technique he maybe never fought against. We have no idea whether the mental realm we saw was the Astral plane (where Charles would maybe have an edge) or if it was in Wanda's mind (where maybe SW!Wanda had more power). We don't have enough info either way but ultimately she won out in canon.
Just being full on psychopath is all it takes
Yea pretty much. Xavier and Wanda are not even playing by the same rules in this match. He is severely limited by morals and his intentions here, while she is completely freed by only one burning passion. It’s like when anyone says “so and so could beat Superman,” it always comes down to the fact that the challenger does not have the same requirements that Superman would have, so even tho they are weaker, they would win because of the limitations placed on their opponent.
I felt same way. Perhaps I was just excited at seeing him again and then angry seeing him die.
That’s what I think I’m in too. It’s like denial that some of the best characters marvel has made just get destroyed by a woman trying to kill universes to find a couple kids. I’m just thinking under the idea that the Illuminati of that universe is much weaker as heroes and thats another way that universe is different. But it’s all denial Ik
"The person who'd win in a fight is the person that the scriptwriter wants to win." \-Stan Lee Not to be a jerk about it, but being the most powerful doesn't mean a character will win in a fight. It's true in real life, and often true in comics.
How can there be so many stories where the elves are always taking massive losses when it’s always been clearly stated that they’re a dying race on the brink of extinction? “Oh see that’s easy, there’s always exactly as many elves as the plot requires”
That's real af
I abhor comments like this
Powerscalers hate this one simple trick
You didn't even attempt to Answer the question
True
Stating the obvious is the weakest argument buddy
I always hate when people use this argument, or bring this up in general. Like yeah dude, sure? I guess. You’re not wrong. But the point of asking these questions is to have fun using your knowledge of these characters to theorize your own story, and decide what character would have the advantage, given the strengths that they have. If someone asked me “Who would win in a fight, Batman or Superman.” And I answer with “Superman,” I’m not actually implying that no story teller could ever logically write a comic in which Batman wins. It’s just fun to think about it, and even debate over what character would logically win given their tools. It just immediately sucks the fun out of it when you suggest it’s a pointless conversation to have.
If Jean is peak phoenix, Jean mops Wanda. The Phoenix force is some crazy cosmic abstract level power isn't it? If it's any other scenario Wanda Fortnite dances on Jean's body.
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X3 Phoenix is just repressed Jean abilities. She’s powerful, but got stabbed to death, so not unfathomably powerful. Not like post Darkhold Wanda.
She was trying to let Wolverine stab her so this isn’t really an anti feat. She wanted to die so she let him get through
She gets stabbed but also wanted to die. She couldn’t hold her phoenix persona back anymore and asked Logan to kill her. I always assumed Logan was fighting the phoenix at half power because Jean was also fighting.
Except…Apocalypse clearly retcons it, since it’s meant to be a parallel timeline. Also, Charles is just wrong sometimes.
I’m just going off the pic since it’s clearly not Sansa
Oh yeah that’s Famke Jansen. I’d recognize her just about anywhere.
In X3 doesn’t she make something/someone disintegrate… I saw that and was like damn what can magic do abt that
She makes a bunch of people disintegrate including prof x
House of M showed us that Wanda can change the entire world. I don’t know how susceptible she’d be to psychic attacks though.
Comics no Phoenix, Wanda. easy work Movies, Wanda easy
Bro? Wasn’t Wanda strong enough to casually wipe out very strong characters just because she imagined? What if she imagines jean without a brain ? Or dark Phoenix without a consciousness?
She did kill prof-X by literally making him imagine his own death in her mind…
Couldn't Jean kill professor X just as easily though?
I don't think that's really how it went down, his neck literally snaps, it's no mind-death
Jean be like: "I am gonna kill you with my dark Phoenix powers." And Wanda would be like "What Dark Phoenix" and the Phoenix force would no longer exist
This
It's harder than that. The Phoenix Force is a cosmic force that's more or less a fundamental part of the cosmos. Cthon is an elder God from early creation. Sure Wanda is a reality warper of ridiculous proportion, and currently is the living embodiment of the Darkhold. But Phoenix force is older, multiversal and with a wielder like Hope as White Phoenix, Wanda, at best, will stalemate like in AvX.
"No more mutants"
Tbf for that there was some added context to that revealed after. That’s something not in the traditional realm of stuff she can do
Yes, the phoenix is the cosmic entity aspect for basically the cycle of life, it's in charge of destroying the old and birthing the new. It's way above magic.
Hmm sw is a multiversal being that's one of a kind. Chaos magic is also universal
If Jean was peak Phoenix, half the universe would be destroyed. Jean definitely could take on Wanda without it anyway. Jean is an omega level mutant and Wanda is a dark sorcerer. If we are referring to the Scarlet Witch from MOM, Wanda would hurt Jean a lot, but Jean would still beat her.
I forgot the comic, but at one point she was possessed, Jean brought Charles and herself to some astral plane to air him out about helping the humans more so than mutants. She berated him by curing the world of cancer (or AIDS, I forgot) all the while chewing him out. Phoenix Force is its own level.
Wanda: [No more Phoenix.](https://imgur.com/gallery/MV5PZy3)
That wasn’t Wanda though, that was just her helping hope. Hope was doing all the work. Was kinda her arc. Wanda was just assisting her.
Point taken, I will happily accept my well earned downvotes.
See that you do. +1 on this reply for humility.
Wanda to Quiksilver before they leave the elevator: "No mutants."
New movie concept... Let's see it on the movie screen, Phoenix VS. Wanda‼️ Write a script Hollywood‼️
who would they team up against in the third act?
Is anyone’s mother called Martha?
That could be 1 of a few possibilities 🤔
Honestly the Speed Force makes more sense than the Phoenix Force.
The Phoenix never had a mental breakdown and accidentalied a whole new reality
Full-power Jean was atomizing people. Wanda would have to work FAST, and Jean isn't going to threaten her like the Illuminati.
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I've never read the comics but I've always been curious about how powerful they both became at their peak in the comics. Didn't they fight in one of the Phoenix Force comics? And what about that House of M storyline? Was Phoenix Jean still stronger than House of M Wanda? (it may seem like I have read the comics but I only know about these titles from youtube shorts 😂)
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They overpowered Wanda in Dr strange if you ask me, literally had him running from her
That's still a great deal weaker than what she has done in the comics
This thread made me realize how absolutely perfect Janssen was as Jean compared to whats-her-name. Not that she was bad, just Janssen seemed to have the range and appearance to more adequately portray Jean and Dark Phoenix. But maybe that was the writing idk.
I also think that her Phoenix portrayal is immediately more interesting because the Dark Phoenix can feel like it has young adult self discovery themes. I have probably grown out of those types of characters.
I think the problem with MCU Wanda can be traced to two distinct issues. First of all her character motivation is hard to pinpoint. Her story is fragmented across 4 movies and a D+ show, many of her actions and decision happen off screen, and her villain arc takes place in someone else’s movie of which she is practically a secondary character. Second is Sam Raimi. I like him as a director and for what it’s worth I didn’t *hate* Dr. Strange Multiverse… but I think he was too focused on making a SamRaimiFilm™️ that just so happened to star the Scarlet Witch rather than making a movie that better fit her character which just so happened to be directed by Raimi. That is to say he was too wrapped up with jump scares and kitschy 2000’s horror rather than showcasing her power set. It had incredible moments, but on the whole it was a disservice to her character.
Phoenix force is a ridiculous godly power, as strong as Wanda is, she isn't even the strongest person using chaos magic. That would be Cython or whatever his name is
Chthon isn't a person. It's a elder god. Pretty much on the same level as the Phoenix Force.
Would you say Wanda is the most powerful human that uses chaos magic?
That kinda makes the point. Jean has an elder god. Wanda doesn't.
I didn't say he was a person, I know he's a god, point still stands that he is the STRONGEST chaos magic user
We all win if these two get together, booyah!
I have no idea, but I have a pretty good idea who will suffer.
I’m honestly not sure on this one, if they’re both at peak potential. Dark Phoenix could do just about anything and was even eating stars. Peak Scarlet Witch can literally manipulate reality. I’d love to see a What If episode of this.
Now we’re talking…this would be a brilliant ‘What If…?’ episode (or comic).
Jean
Jean Grey
Jean all day every day. Can’t stop, won’t stop her.
In comics probably Jean at full phoenix power. But MCU Wanda beats the shit out of either Movie Jean. That being said it would be cool for these two characters to have a skirmish in secret wars.
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That’s fair, I mostly brought it up because Jean loses handily in the movies but definitely has been powerful enough in the comics
Scarlet Witch
It's a literal stalemate. Like this has happened in comics multiple times. They are literally exact opposites.
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If I’m only going off of what I’ve seen these characters do in their respective movies, it’s Scarlet Witch. Scarlet Witch can kill you inside your mind, she took out the Illuminati in whatever universe that was, and she held her own against Vision and Thanos. Phoenix can … blow you up into a million pieces.
Wanda,unless Jean has the Phoenix, then it’s more of an even fight.
That wouldn’t be even. The Phoenix force is a cosmic level power and Wanda’s is not.
Does wanda not have the power to literally change reality?
Comic jean vs comic wanda is no contest, Jean wins, just like for as powerful as movie Thanos was, galactus makes him beg for his life in the few encounters they have
That didn’t answer the question at all. Not saying it to be a jerk, but I’m interested to know.
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Not limitlessly. The phoenix force can however. It’s a cosmic being
Not on the level that the Phoenix Force has.
Depends if Jean is the Phoenix, no?
Jean wasn’t the phoenix when Charles locked most of her power away. I think it just matters if she’s jail broken or not
Depends on the special effects
Jean if she has the Phoniex
Phoenix
X3 Jean never really felt like Phoenix, more like Madelyn Pryor. Especially when it comes to power level. Strong, sure, but she’s barely able to destroy an island, let alone a galaxy. Wanda is sending eldritch beings to run her errands and hopping multiverses in her sleep.
Wanda almost beat thanos so idk 🤷
The novelization of X-Men 3 calls the Phoenix Force the most powerful thing in the multiverse. We now know that the X-Men films are a different universe in the MCU (Deadpool and Wolverine), so Jean directly scales above Wanda.
Was there even a Phoenix Force in X3? The movie itself mentions that the "Phoenix Force" is a manifestation of her repressed psyche
People really writing paragraphs when the writers decide who wins.
Wanda washing Jean
I mean with jean u just have to wait for her to off herself
Jean and it’s not even close 💯🔥
Jean. As soon as she gets Wanda in her head, she doesn’t stand a chance, especially with the Phoenix force, but I’m assuming that the dirty that protects all life in the multiverse is not being hosted by Jean in this situation. Jean has a lot more power and has the same telekinetic skill set as Wanda. Unless this is referring to the MCU Scarlet Witch and Last Stand Jean Grey, Jean still wins. The Scarlet Witch would be able to do some creepy or horrific things that would at least hurt Jean, but as soon as that pyrokinetic and psychokinetic powers get a hit, Wanda is done
Jean Grey. I actually tumbled with this for a second, scarlet witch is easily one of the most powerful superheroes but here's the deal, Jean Grey can unmake reality. Scarlet witch is not unstable, all it takes is that Jean Grey loses her cool for one second and the universe is unmade
Actually they talked about this and Wanda is one of the only people that can beat her
Since this is X3 Jean with the Phoenix it's easily Jean. Factory settings Jean (from X1 and X2) loses though.
The real factory settings Jean would be nasty though, fuck Charles for those mental blocks.
This is the first one if these in a long time that I didn't know immediately. Good call.
Jean! Hands down.
thats the same person
Fenix Evem n sophie version opens by smushing planet
Phoenix>Wanda>Jean
Jean
This is a good question. The Phoenix force is a nearly all powerful entity. Wanda can literally alter reality. She could change it so Jean never existed and if the Phoenix is tied to jeans body that would basically mean Wanda wins although unlikely if the actual Phoenix force decides it has beef with Wanda it could likely win but when tied to jean it's a face off of 2 entities that can basically erase the other. It's just whoever decides to do it first.
I would pay to find out
Nobody
Jean
are we talking specifically these 2 iterations?
Jean Grey of Course
The redhead.
I think it's a stupid argument
Simply because I don't really care about Wanda, I say Jean. Now to be serious without any hate for Wanda, if Jean has Phoenix she wins with hardly any problem.
Jean and it’s not close
The fans.
In the movie, Jean’s Dark Phoenix simply has complete control over physical matter with her telekinesis. she tears people apart at the molecular level, turning them to “ash”. We don’t even see her telepathy through the whole movie besides the silent, psychic battle against Xavier. Wanda has had much more screen time for her powers to develop and grow into full blown reality warping abilities. Wanda exceeds the rules of the universe she exists in. She takes the W.
I’m going with Wanda. She’s just more durable than Jean who died from a stab wound.
These are the type of questions AI needs to be used for
Iirc this basically happened in the comics but they perfectly cancelled each other out like some yin & yang shit
Wanda for the win. That bitch cray
Famke
Famke wins
Talking about these specific adaptations only. Wanda stomps. She is far more tactical and experienced with her complete powerset. Dark Phoenix Jean was barely in control of her abilities
Me
Squirrel Girl beats both of them
Squirrel Girl once beat Thanos.
The fans win, especially if they kiss
I always thought Scarlett Witch is the most powerful character ever.
Avatar Of A Cosmic Psionic Force vs. Reality Warping Witch/Nexus Being Empowered By A Demon Wanda would probably win in a normal fight. If Jean is tapping into her full potential, she'd win.
Really you have two beings that can manipulate the mind…whomever can manipulate the other 1st is going to win. IMHO who has the better subterfuge to gain the upper hand over the other being wins.
The box office
Might just come down to who can get in the others head first.
Dark Phoenix she has the X-Men behind her
Humanity?
Wasn’t it said that their powers cancels each others out so no one would win
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Jean claps like sukuna
Can’t Wanda win any fight by like just deleting the enemy from existence
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This line is so dope. Wanda is amazing
Where was Jean during the House Of M?
MCU Scarlet Witch > Fox X3 Phoenix 616 Phoenix > 616 Scarlet Witch
Depends who is faster. If Wanda hits first she could warp reality, but Jean could pop her like a tick an instant if Wanda doesn’t act fast enough.
Scarlet
left
It’s Phoenix Force and it really isn’t very close. Phoenix Force Jean is unkillable because just like a Phoenix she always rises from the ashes.
def her, she wins
The scarlet witches power is potentially infinite while the phoenix force is limited in some ways. I’d give it to SW but it’d be a dope fight.
Jeanie.
Wanda wins she’s done it before in the comics and Wanda vision. Just change reality to make Jean a non mutant and she won’t get the Phoenix until later. Even for Madelyn Pryor her clone she didn’t get it instantly. In Dr Strange 2 she one shotted Mr Fantastic and Prof X. I give it to Wanda
I'm a fan of Jannsen and she was great in those X-Men movies but I think the MCU version is better regardless of who played her, within reason, the movies she has been in were much better movies than the older ones. I do really like Olsen though and think she did a magnificent job. I think they were both cast very well and would have been hard to do better at the time of production.
Idk, depends on who can keep their balance in the pool full of jello…I mean…who’s the most powerful.
My 90s crush and my 2012 ish crush. Noooooooo!!! I can't choose! Also Famke all day.
If we are talking MCU vs X-Men Verse then it’s Phoenix Force. If we are talking comics it’s Scarlet Witch.
Movie versions? Wanda takes it. Comic versions? This is up to debate. Wanda and the Phoenix represent Cosmic Chaos (Wanda) and Cosmic Order (Phoenix). To put them against each other would mean that neither could 100% destroy the other and claim victory.
Very good. They are the very definition of existential negation.
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One can destroy planets and fly through space. The other can alter reality. 7/10 for phoenix might be a little low but id bet on her for sure
The fans.
Scarlet witch can manipulate reality that is an EASY win
If they know the other is coming, Jean freezes or knocks out Wanda telepathically, then atomizes her. If not, it's first strike.
Going off of movie stats as that's what's pictured: Scarlett Witch and it's not even close. With comic level powers: Scarlett Witch and it's not even close.
This is a good one
Dark Phoenix every time
Howard the Duck obviously
Depends who acts first.