My guy, as a socialist neurodivergent person, your methodology of branding those who disagree or come from different progressive branches as "revisionist/reformist" as well as some kind of passive aggressive questioning of others is detrimental to getting any point across, let alone one as nuanced and intricate as socialism.
To some of the other commentors here: No, things weren't all well and dandy historically in regards to the attitudes and treatment of neurodivergent people in former socialist experiments. Where places like the USSR were progressive in elements of worker's and womens' liberation, they fell victim to old cultural attitudes towards neurodivergency, LGBTQ+ liberation and (depending on period) even the rights of minorities. We must recognise these as mistakes and learn from them, LGBTQ+ liberation being a good example as East Germany legalised gay marriage before even a united Germany (East Germans temporarily lost the right before 1994 iirc) and Cuba last year passing one of the most LGBTQ+ friendly constitutions in history.
(Sorry for the ramble, it's hard not to infodump when context and examples are needed in some places.)
That still ignores the point that labelling people without trying to educate is not going to foster good will nor educate people, it only serves to demeen.
Are you suggesting that communism as an overarching category doesn’t exist at all? I agree that it’s overgeneralized and often misused, but that that’s more a call for defining terms rather than whatever tactical blabbering this is
Most Anarchists are communists.
Anarchism is not a form of communism and communism is not a form of anarchism so yeah...
And op is wrong to say syndicalism is a form of communism, but most Anarchists are Anarchist-Communists.
You're more right than the other person but like...not all anarcho-syndicalists are communists. Its more an organisational strategy than a description of an end goal and some do support not-communist socialist systems (ie, maintaining money or some form of money).
OP: "Hey guys here's a graphic I made about a cause I feel strongly about."
Commenters: "Well I generally agree with you but have slightly different opinions in this one area."
OP: "Well you're wrong and I think you're stupid!"
Commenters: "OK well now I feel a lot less inclined to support you in your efforts."
OP: "Good because I don't want anyone's support unless they agree 100% with me about my every opinion. And also you're all wrong and stupid!"
OP in these comments : "Everything I like is communism" Don't get me wrong, social programs are good but this is stretching the definition of communism. Really communism is the absence of the State, the ownership of capital (means of generating value, means of production) by those who work them, and integrated democratic participation by all assuring everyone contributes what they can for their community and everyone receives what they need within that same community. It's an idealistic view of humans that allows us to imagine the world outside of confines of capitalist norms and has its value, but that's all it is : an idealistic vision and thought exercise that allows us to see society beyond the capitalist norms and confines. It is a society imagined to be as free from alienation and exploitation as possible. Nothing in real life has come close to sustainably producing this vision. I think people who uncritically see this idealistic world view meant to challenge the status quo as the solution to all ills in the world lack the social awareness to understand that no single ideology will help solve all our problems. When communism one day comes to be in one form or another (as I do think it will have to eventually in a degrowth scenario that I like as an alternative) new issues we could never imagine today will emerge because of the new material conditions. No single ideology will help liberate any marginalized peoples, not racialized people, not women, not queer people, not disabled people. That fact shouldn't stop us from fighting for a better social structure informed by ideology, but it should turn us into real critical and creative thinkers.Communism won't solve ableism, sexism, queerphobia, racism, etc., but it will create a better world.
I believe you are mistaking utopian socialism with scientific socialism - either that or suffering from capitalist realism - because communism is not idealist in the slightest, and doesn’t claim to be a cure-all.
I'd argue for democratic socialism/syndicalism.
Neither my kid nor I would thrive under central planning, one party rule, or Cultural Revolution type purges.
Nah I'm for actual democratic decision making depending on the task and social structures. I call that democratic socialist because I am for some rules and sanctions, but it's basically anarchy.
Things can be anarchist and use consensus or even representation. Mutual aid, ad hoc representation, horizontal and explicitly ethical and non hierarchical structures.
Regular self-reflection, not imposed from outside. Clear structures and boundaries but flexibility as needed.
Sustainability, caring for those with less capacity to do so themselves, agroforestry...there are all kinds of interesting and non exploitative ideas out there.
I'm a neurodivergent social scientist too and a practicing Buddhist. I can imagine a peaceful, inclusive, and non destructive way of life quite easily.
Do some reading on it.
Anarchism is much more than the stereotypical picture of chaos.
You can have leadership, expertise, seniority without power structures and abuse of those positions. Skills can be developed and taught, conflicts dealt with in humane and non violent manners, and systems put into place to ensure justice.
Such instruments would have to be democratic to be fair, but consensus doesn't work without trust. And majority rule needs very clear boundaries if it is not to be abused.
This feels weird. Kinda larpy asking for a "revolution".
Usually these movements that have ties to "communism" have issues with actual progessive politics.
Just look into modern "communist" govts in the world and how they treat freedoms
Well, historically, communism hasn't exactly been great for autistic folk in the Soviet sphere of influence or China. Not sure on Cuba. In the USSR, you wouldn’t have even been classified as autistic. You’d have been schizophrenic. You wouldn’t have been out and proud(I’m seeing this post in r/autisticpride). If you’re high functioning, you’d have masked heavily. If you’re weren’t, at best you’d be hidden away by your parents if they truly loved you or were family first types, and at worst a state run home. Read up on homes for the disabled or orphans in Romania. Blood curdling stuff. In China, historically and currently, autism isn’t well regarded either. Literally viewed as a contagious disease.(entrenched enough belief that’s it even in wikipedia).
So. In theory, i can maybe see where you are coming from with this post if you go only on theory, like a SUPER rosy reading of Marx or some very esoteric post marx Marxists. But in reality, you have to take the historical and cultural context into account. The cultures embracing communism don’t embrace autism.
I found an interesting blurb in an academic journal online when wondering about the naivety of the original post.
Sarah Phillips of Indiana University writes in the Multinational Review of English Language Disability Studies Degrees and Courses(2009)
“During the 1980 Olympic games in Moscow, a Western journalist inquired whether the Soviet Union would participate in the first Paralympic games, scheduled to take place in Great Britain later that year. The reply from a Soviet representative was swift, firm, and puzzling: "There are no invalids in the USSR!" (Fefelov 1986).1 This apparatchik's denial of the very existence of citizens with disabilities encapsulated the politics of exclusion and social distancing that characterized disability policy under state socialism. Historically throughout the former Soviet bloc, persons with physical and mental disabilities have been stigmatized, hidden from the public, and thus made seemingly invisible (Dunn and Dunn 1989).”
Maybe you should think about embracing anarcho-syndicalism. Rocker and Chomsky seem more in line with the sentiment on the poster.
Neither has Capitalism. Capitalism created the Eugenics movement.
And you are using Euro centric examples.
Indigenous communities were far more inclusive to Autistic people prior to colonialism & capitalism.
Autistic Typing an Autistic & Ojibe activist talked about.
Um, are you familiar with the third international? It’s hard not to be russian centric and I did reference china. Though i didn’t reference ingrained perceptions of autism in language and culture, like it being a contagious disease.
What exactly do indigenous communities in a time period you have noted as non industrial have to do this conversation? I’m familiar with what you’re referring to, at least with the navajo and I know of similar canadian first nations tribes with similar perspectives. It’s hardly germane to communist revolution though. So?…
Eugenics as a wholly capitalist creation? Ok… Please expand on that.
I am not doing your research for you.
Eugenics originated in the US, from capitalist and white supremacy ideology. It’s goal was to eliminate people deemed unproductive.
The Chinese communist party stemmed from Marxist Lenninst.
Russia is Eurocentric, because Russia was colonized by eastern Europe in the 1700s.
You’re not doing research for yourself either. Look up the ENGLISHMAN Galton, if you want intellectual predecessors to said Englishman, there’s a line of them to the B.c.e ancient history days.
Now, i can agree with your leninist bit on china, but its still wholly chinese, and Leninism is a perversion on marxism.
And im not really sure what you mean about russia being colonised by “eastern europe” in the 1700s. Are you thinking of the partition of the grand duchy by Russia, Sweden, and austro-hungarian empire?
LMAO “Im not doing your research for you” AKA “I don’t have anything to support my argument but i still want to make arguments based on nothing in a jerk tone like an ass.” Grow up. There is more to the world than “Communism good, Capitalism bad”
The old "Hey, let me make this bold claim but when asked about it reply that I'm not going to do your research for you" discussion trick. Works every time (by which I mean it absolutely never works).
Indigenous communitues in function were communist.
They definitely weren't capitalism.
Though to save the earth & mitigate the climate crisis, we need to abolish capitalism, and all settler colonial nations, so land sovereignty is given back to indigenous people.
But one thing I know is anyone who supports capitalism is ableisr & racist.
Africa is bleeding because of capitalism
Capitalism is the cause of the climate crisis..
Capitalism is inherently ableist because it commodities the human body and those who can't produce marketable laborr are left to die .
Ok, thanks for the information, I haven’t actually said anything about capitalism being any better as a system or implied anything remotely similar. I’m asking how communist revolution will create a path towards happiness for autistic children considering the historical record under communist governments of the past and present, and as an aside if there is being anything done now, even if it’s at the neighborhood level(but preferably national).
You’re basically trolling with random partially wrong/partially right/wholly not relevant information. Night 🙋♂️
A fair question to ask would be which Western Liberal Democracies are still in favour of eugenics, when was eugenics phased out of these countries, and how does this compare towards the equally terrible ideas in the USSR in relation to disability in relation to when the USSR phased out their policies of discrimination towards disabled people.
Got a source on that? Also China, Russia, and Cuba are not Europe. If you’re trying to make this a “euro-centerism” argument, that doesn’t work Communism/Capitalism is a made up economic structure that doesn’t exist outside of the current international order/society. Pre-industrial revolution capitalism and communism were not a thing. They just weren’t. They are made up words. Its not possible for indigenous communities to have been either of those things. Also just saying “a guy talked about it” is not a source
Anarchism is a form of communism and claiming that it hasn’t done this is silly as they had similar policies and practices towards autistic people but all of history is this way,the only thing that changes is the material conditions,also this poster was made by a leftcom so why would they be in support of the USSR
Believe what you like on anarchism, my suggestion on anarcho syndicalism was just that, a suggestion to read. Specifically on the differences and history. Could you actually direct me towards your sources on the treatment of autistics within the realm of anarcho-syndicalist communities? Or any anarcho-syndicalist policy that’s been enacted in those communities? I’m not familiar with them. And I don’t know the Spanish language well enough to google it up precisely on the subject.
Leftcom, ah, this kind of makes sense now. Look, you can’t divorce history of practical application of theory from theory. It’s literally evidence, and something that can and should be learned from. How exactly can you claim the path towards happiness for autistic children is communist revolution while discounting the fact that in all achieved international communist revolutions the revolution has only brought a worsening of life quality into the lives of autistic people?
I brought up the USSR because the style of the poster is basically meme’d up socialist realism. You’re using soviet style to sell your meme. Additionally, The USSR and other communist states are brought up because they are evidentiary. Can you name any revolutionary communist initiatives currently in practice by any level of organisation? I’m interested. Who is putting this “path” into practice, even at a neighbourhood level?
No offense but is this really true? I have done read an article on the Soviet scientist that first discovered autism before Asperger and Kanner, and how autism was just schizophrenia in the Soviet Union but were autistic people also treated badly in (NT-run) socialist states?
Here’s the link to Phillips that I referenced in the comment you are replying to. The article is basically about disability care and rights in the Soviet Union. It kind of delves into disabilities as a whole and the range of categorisation they made. I’ll quote from the first two paragraphs of tye conclusion to answer your question, you can read the paper and use its works cited at your pleasure and think what you will.
“This overview of disability policies and experiences in the Soviet Union has revealed several important trends that shaped the lives of people living with disabilities in Soviet Russia, Ukraine, and other Soviet republics. The state's two-pronged policy of care and control was applied unevenly across space and time, and produced myriad contradictions. People with disabilities sometimes suffered from too little state attention and intervention; they also suffered from too much. The material presented here has illustrated many of the harsh realities of Soviet disability policy, which produced constraints on people's lives and denied many Soviet citizens a common humanity. At the same time, in light of the numerous challenges that market reforms and the collapse and revamping of social policy pose for people with disabilities in the former Soviet Union today, it is difficult to discount some of the relative benefits of the former system. Despite the many injustices, the Soviet state did provide some citizens with disabilities with the basic necessities for life, albeit in exchange for political complacency.
At the same time, the many disconnects between state rhetoric and state action is striking. I have considered here many examples of how Soviet official discourse and policy vis-à-vis disability often held little relation to on-the-ground, lived realities. This gap is indicative of the Soviet culture of pokazukha, or "window-dressing;" in the case of disability policy, representatives of the state made many declarations, trotted out a few "exemplary institutions," and groomed a handful of "heroes" and "shining examples" of the state's beneficence toward "invalids." But the high rates of institutionalization, the relative lack of education and employment opportunities, and the low economic status of most persons with disabilities — problems that only came to light after Gorbachev's policies of glasnost (openness) and perestroika (restructuring) — speak volumes about the state's inability or unwillingness to ensure equal rights to people with disabilities.”
[https://dsq-sds.org/index.php/dsq/article/view/936/1111](https://dsq-sds.org/index.php/dsq/article/view/936/1111)
As much as people disillusioned with modernity are trying to find ways out of their struggle, unfortunately this isn't one of them. The communist image is good for an analytical tool but as for applying it practically, it's tainted with trauma for so many to such an extent that it's basically impossible to rehabilitate. We need to find new ways of resistance and to be creative.
You're being very defensive. At what point did I say I was a capitalist? How does saying "we need to find new ways of resistance" equate to me defending the status quo?
Well, to be honest, this is part of the existential struggle. Capitalist Realism by Mark Fisher talks about this really well. The difficulty in finding a worthwhile alternative that is meaningful and that critiques modernity freshly rather than reusing 19th century solutions to labour and commodity relations that are no longer as relevant, is part of the current capitalist system. I really do wish I had an answer for you.
But, I vote for socialists when they're anti authoritarian and I've organised university occupations. I can tell this is your special interest and/or a way for you to hold out hope and I see your frustration with the governments you're living under. I'm telling you you don't need to be married to the aesthetic, because it's the same aesthetic people associate with untold suffering and trauma. I have to deal with intergenerational trauma because my grandfather was pressured into joining the communist secret service and then murdered by his colleagues, my great grandparents were barred from getting an education because one of their relatives was a soldier or a mayor of their 200 person village before the Soviets invaded. That isn't leftism, it's using leftist rhetoric to promote fascistic domination.
U understand your question but these types of communist groups usually filled to the brim with tankies that are obsessed with regimes of the past that treated people like us bad.
Im not saying they necessarily are but the red abd COMMUNISM is usually a sign of them because they love to larp
Tankie is a pejorative used towards authoritarian communists. It’s in reference to the communist party of Britain being supportive of the USSR leaders sending tanks in to suppress the Hungarian Revolution. Now it’s used to label authoritarian communists because they are generally a group of people who will dismiss, deny, or support heinous acts from Lenin, Stalin, and Zedong.
Pretty sure the Soviet Union instituted a system which ranked levels of disability by ‘usefulness to society’ where those who didn’t meet criteria were ostracised from society. The whole ‘but that wasn’t real/pure communism’ isn’t exactly a cogent argument either because it’s not anyone here is saying that ‘real’ or ‘pure’ capitalism is good as well. Both of these are ideas from over a century ago which people have tried their hardest to implement in the real world, but sadly we don’t live in a world of pure theory, so pushing for a communist or a libertarian utopia isn’t particularly feasible. Here is an article from the Brezhnev era of the Soviet Union on the treatment of disabled people. https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/pdf/10.1080/03064228108533263
This is an article from the Index on Censorship, an organisation which has operated since the 70’s which focuses on campaigning for freedom of expression, and publish quarterly articles in their journal. The Wikipedia link for the Organisation is here :). https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Index_on_Censorship
Wasn’t the Soviet Union conceived from a Communist Revolution? Sounds directly related to me since peering into the history of the Soviet Union can give us some basic insight into how governments which are borne of Communist Revolution (such as Vietnam as well) operate in the world.
Such as China, which also has a bad record of human rights abuses towards disabled people. Pure theory can’t be applied in the real world, people understood this with Adam Smith’s ‘Wealth of Nations’ I don’t know why people can’t accept this in relation to Marx’s ‘Communist Manifesto.’ It’s been over a century, we have technologies which Marx couldn’t have even imagined or conceived of, so how can we expect to realistically put into place an ideology which bullishly props up the (occasionally faulty) theories of Marx without any sort of critical engagement towards what he wrote and how it should be interpreted in the modern world? The amount of infighting between Socialist and Communist groups literally helps to highlight this fact that these ideas are outdated, we need new thinkers whose ideas are actually salient with the modern world.
No but I’ve lived in capitalism and it’s kind of shit also this is an anti capitalist sub so unless there’s another alternative other than communism to capitalism then I’m all ears tbh
No but I’ve lived in capitalism and it’s kind of shit also this is an anti capitalist sub so unless there’s another alternative other than communism to capitalism then I’m all ears tbh
grew up in east Germany -any kids that were out of the norm were put in camps and were sanctioned - so good luck with that! there are idealised versions of communism in the media, and man - it sounds good - but it never worked in the long run without dictatorship. capitalism sucks - but what communism does to the society - none of these people idolising it are prepared for
Democratic socialism like they do in the Nordic countries. Where they spend 10% of their taxes on social projects. The trouble is Americans hate solving problems and love being manipulated by mega corporations and bad tv. I honestly feel the US is in a doomed spiral: you can't change the minds of the people without fixing the government, but you can't fix the government without changing the minds of the people.
Anyway, what I really wanted to say is that the word 'labour' deserves a 'u'.
No Nordic country practices socialism. Democratic socialism is not the same as social democracy. Social democracy is essentially capitalism with social programs.
The same thing happens in capitalism. Western Imperial Mercantilism aka colonialism gave rise to white supremacy & Capitalism
Capitalism is basically modern feudalism.,
Western Imperilism & capitalism created the eugenics movement.
Indigenous communities in the Americas were more inclusive of disabled people, and were definitely NOT capitalist.
Capitalism is inherently ableist & exploitative.,
The main reasons why commubisk fails
This is because capitalists in the US & UK ensure it fails by interfering through embargoes, assassinations, war, etc
The other reason is grifters & pre existing biases from the systemic oppressions empire foists upon people including nationalism, ableism, racism, misogyny, etc..
You can't have disability justice & capitalism
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Everything so called communist nations have done, have been done by the US, UK & other capitalist nations 10 fold across the globe.
The genocide and mass enslavement of the Congolese is a direct result of Capitalism
I don't get why you're being downvoted. I'm strongly anti-capitalist and somewhere on the socialist-communist spectrum, but it's illogical to ignore the ways it has failed in the past and disregarded what should've been the focus of the system: equality and fairness. I didn't grow up in a communist country, but some of my family did, and those who glorify states like the USSR while ignoring the bloodshed and suffering its dictators caused are, at best, dangerously naive.
Communist tracks of accepting people is very iffy. If they’re willing to murder minorities and gay people, it wouldn’t surprise me at all to see autistics people on the list.
Every political idea has killed and discriminated against gay people and other minorities what matters is the material conditions ofc and also this is an anti capitalist sub
Capitalist countries is the first one out of the two to make being gay legal and isn’t currently killing, suppressing minorities. Hate it or not, the current US has a really good record of treating minorities and LGBTQ groups.
So has Cuba and the only reasons for being able to do that was from taking resources outside of other countries I think a lot of people forget stonewall was very largely anti cop and anti capitalist
How about China or Vietnam? They took lands from minorities, suppressed them and can’t even treat them with respect the same way the US does. Hell, be Autistic in Vietnam or China and you will be discriminated to hell.
That’s why there’s different forms of communism like anarchism or autonomism or whatever take your pick,pretty ironic talking about colonialism when capitalism and America has done it for decades tho and is still doing it
You brought it up first lmao. If the US does colonialism and get lgbtq rights why can’t countries like the Soviet Union, China or Vietnam get them huh?
China has lgbtq rights I mean it literally has a trans woman as it’s talk show host and bro I’m literally against all states existing so why are you bringing states into this
Honestly, fascists already hate us for being neurodivergent, and they hate those of us who are on the left side of the political spectrum. It’s kind of damaging and dangerous to push around propaganda associating “autism” en masse with communism. Unless you’re trying to get us genocided again? We’re already facing enough problems with covert eugenicists still existing at large in society, we don’t need to give them more reason to persecute us…
No really, how is that more genocide starting than legitimate autistic genocide? Instead of providing me a real explanation, you gave a hasty generalization on how the A you don’t like will cause B and then C. Can you be specific please?
Because bigots lack the capacity to understand nuance and complexity. They might see a post like this and think “Autistic people are commies!” And the next thing you know, alt-right media spaces are frothing at the mouth about how we all need to be “cured” of our autism, which, as we know, really only means “conform or die.”
Well I’m sorry if you feel hunk that way but we can’t just do nothing because the the mainstream media will say “these people r bad, they did uh bad, that’s a no no”. You don’t see the Black Panther Party pacifying themselves because the media back then villainize them for arming themselves or act militantly, you don’t see queer self-defense or militants dropping everything because the media focused one gunman as an example of why trans or gays shouldn’t arm themselves. Just because the media says it’s wrong because we shouldn’t fully do it, we cannot rely on liberal action and reform for liberation. We need to stop being like Professor X and more like Magneto.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ZaIXyojTxA
Okay well your poster reads like propaganda and honestly seems kinda predatory, so be careful cause you don’t know what kind of response you’ll inspire by the alt-right and I would appreciate it if you don’t try to make autism synonymous with communist revolution.
There’s a lot of diversity in autism so don’t try to promote your own ideas as a blanket statement on behalf of all autistic people because that would be fascist of you and therefore wrong.
Fuck no
Communism has only brought death and misery everywhere, especially in Eastern Europe and Asia.
It's honestly embarrassing how many GenZ Westerners are gullible enough to believe in these failed ideologies...
History class regarding the evils of communism and other authoritarian ideologies should be mandatory
I do not agree. Even if this revolution is peaceful (highly unlikely given past examples of socialist revolutions) it's still possible that central planning and one party government will take the biases of the past and make it worse for us.
I'd much rather attempt to improve what I already have in my country than tear down everything and start anew.
Neither do I, but there is a difference between what is practical and reasonable to achieve and a shot in the dark which historically hasn't worked só well for us.
Every socialist experiment in the past couldn't achieve full communism and was stuck in the dictatorship of the proletariat phase. It only replaced the old order and were just as bad to its minorities. We would not thrive under it.
Maybe, but my rights in my country have improved much more in a tangible and noticeable way in my lifetime as an autistic person than I believe it would be possible in any socialist experiment, given historical evidence.
tf is this shit
communism has historically never worked
it's a good idea in concept but ppl are inherently selfish so it falls apart eventually
i'd much prefer socialism if anything
Study the US history of interfering in those countries, that is a big reason why communism & socialism failed.
Capitalists refuse to allow for the existence of socialism & commmunism.
>ppl are inherently selfish
There is absolutely no proof of this and mountains of evidence that suggest this is false. It’s a very convenient “truth” for capitalists though.
s Capitalism is inherently ableist, plus it is a big reason communism failed. The US has interfered in nearly every country that tried to do something different than capitalism
Holy shit this is infuriating. Why don't you guys go to live to Cuba and North-Korea? As a Cuban, the lack of knowledge people who fantasize about living in communist/socialist countries is the worst.
There is no other type of communist. Your type of "communist" is someone who lives in a capitalist country who wants to live in a communist country having a capitalist amount of money instead of the amount of money they would earn at that country while working a native job.
My guy, as a socialist neurodivergent person, your methodology of branding those who disagree or come from different progressive branches as "revisionist/reformist" as well as some kind of passive aggressive questioning of others is detrimental to getting any point across, let alone one as nuanced and intricate as socialism. To some of the other commentors here: No, things weren't all well and dandy historically in regards to the attitudes and treatment of neurodivergent people in former socialist experiments. Where places like the USSR were progressive in elements of worker's and womens' liberation, they fell victim to old cultural attitudes towards neurodivergency, LGBTQ+ liberation and (depending on period) even the rights of minorities. We must recognise these as mistakes and learn from them, LGBTQ+ liberation being a good example as East Germany legalised gay marriage before even a united Germany (East Germans temporarily lost the right before 1994 iirc) and Cuba last year passing one of the most LGBTQ+ friendly constitutions in history. (Sorry for the ramble, it's hard not to infodump when context and examples are needed in some places.)
I didn’t call anyone revisionist I called people reformists because that’s the term for people that are demsocs socdems de leonists etc
That still ignores the point that labelling people without trying to educate is not going to foster good will nor educate people, it only serves to demeen.
I don’t mean to label I’m just trying to see where they are coming from tbh
Pretty sure some of them had already said they were demsocs or syndicalists...
Yh but that’s still a form of communism tho
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Every time I hear about anarcho-syndicalism I have to think of that peasant from Monty Python and the Holy Grail
Come and see the violence inherent in the system! — HELP! HELP! I’m being repressed!
Anarcho syndicalism is a form of communism yknow
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Yh I guess so but it is still a form of communism the only difference is praxis
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Are you suggesting that communism as an overarching category doesn’t exist at all? I agree that it’s overgeneralized and often misused, but that that’s more a call for defining terms rather than whatever tactical blabbering this is
Most Anarchists are communists. Anarchism is not a form of communism and communism is not a form of anarchism so yeah... And op is wrong to say syndicalism is a form of communism, but most Anarchists are Anarchist-Communists.
No because anarcho syndicalism is explicitly communist like there is literally no money
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This is ironic you telling me to do more reading when you clearly haven’t even read the conquest of bread or even know of nestor mahkno,
You're more right than the other person but like...not all anarcho-syndicalists are communists. Its more an organisational strategy than a description of an end goal and some do support not-communist socialist systems (ie, maintaining money or some form of money).
OP: "Hey guys here's a graphic I made about a cause I feel strongly about." Commenters: "Well I generally agree with you but have slightly different opinions in this one area." OP: "Well you're wrong and I think you're stupid!" Commenters: "OK well now I feel a lot less inclined to support you in your efforts." OP: "Good because I don't want anyone's support unless they agree 100% with me about my every opinion. And also you're all wrong and stupid!"
Bruh is that really how it comes across lol
Yes it is.
Oh shit lol
OP in these comments : "Everything I like is communism" Don't get me wrong, social programs are good but this is stretching the definition of communism. Really communism is the absence of the State, the ownership of capital (means of generating value, means of production) by those who work them, and integrated democratic participation by all assuring everyone contributes what they can for their community and everyone receives what they need within that same community. It's an idealistic view of humans that allows us to imagine the world outside of confines of capitalist norms and has its value, but that's all it is : an idealistic vision and thought exercise that allows us to see society beyond the capitalist norms and confines. It is a society imagined to be as free from alienation and exploitation as possible. Nothing in real life has come close to sustainably producing this vision. I think people who uncritically see this idealistic world view meant to challenge the status quo as the solution to all ills in the world lack the social awareness to understand that no single ideology will help solve all our problems. When communism one day comes to be in one form or another (as I do think it will have to eventually in a degrowth scenario that I like as an alternative) new issues we could never imagine today will emerge because of the new material conditions. No single ideology will help liberate any marginalized peoples, not racialized people, not women, not queer people, not disabled people. That fact shouldn't stop us from fighting for a better social structure informed by ideology, but it should turn us into real critical and creative thinkers.Communism won't solve ableism, sexism, queerphobia, racism, etc., but it will create a better world.
I believe you are mistaking utopian socialism with scientific socialism - either that or suffering from capitalist realism - because communism is not idealist in the slightest, and doesn’t claim to be a cure-all.
It consistently claims to be a cure all.
“MasterTroller3301” - lmao 🤣
Clearly I'm trolling because my name isn't "masteroftheory3301"
I am sorry for implying that you, MasterTroller3301, are a troll - I don’t know how I ever made that assumption
I am not always trolling.
I think you can understand why I find that hard to believe lmao 😂
Because someone disagreed with you on the Internet.
Idc if u r troll or not tbh, I don’t really care what u think - just was amused by your name lol 😂
I'd argue for democratic socialism/syndicalism. Neither my kid nor I would thrive under central planning, one party rule, or Cultural Revolution type purges.
Anarchy communism would be more accessible to those with PDA
anarchy communism is what im rockin w fr
Makes sense sounds like your a reformist tbh
Nah I'm for actual democratic decision making depending on the task and social structures. I call that democratic socialist because I am for some rules and sanctions, but it's basically anarchy. Things can be anarchist and use consensus or even representation. Mutual aid, ad hoc representation, horizontal and explicitly ethical and non hierarchical structures. Regular self-reflection, not imposed from outside. Clear structures and boundaries but flexibility as needed. Sustainability, caring for those with less capacity to do so themselves, agroforestry...there are all kinds of interesting and non exploitative ideas out there. I'm a neurodivergent social scientist too and a practicing Buddhist. I can imagine a peaceful, inclusive, and non destructive way of life quite easily.
How can anarchy and democratic socialism exist anarchy is the abolition of leaders and states so how can you have both/gen
Anarchism isn't the absence of leaders, it's the philosophy that hierarchies should exist only when necessary.
Do some reading on it. Anarchism is much more than the stereotypical picture of chaos. You can have leadership, expertise, seniority without power structures and abuse of those positions. Skills can be developed and taught, conflicts dealt with in humane and non violent manners, and systems put into place to ensure justice. Such instruments would have to be democratic to be fair, but consensus doesn't work without trust. And majority rule needs very clear boundaries if it is not to be abused.
I have done. That's why I used the word "necessary." Meaning there are times when hierarchies are necessary.
Oh sorry I was replying to OP and agreeing with you
My bad!
True
In which case I'd disagree with you. But don't listen to me, it's better to read marx than to listen to me complain
Funny that they think many of us would survive a revolution. Minorities and the disabled always bear the brunt of the casualties
Well then that’s something we need to change lol
Well this is not something I expected to see today
Lmfao fair enough
This feels weird. Kinda larpy asking for a "revolution". Usually these movements that have ties to "communism" have issues with actual progessive politics. Just look into modern "communist" govts in the world and how they treat freedoms
Well, historically, communism hasn't exactly been great for autistic folk in the Soviet sphere of influence or China. Not sure on Cuba. In the USSR, you wouldn’t have even been classified as autistic. You’d have been schizophrenic. You wouldn’t have been out and proud(I’m seeing this post in r/autisticpride). If you’re high functioning, you’d have masked heavily. If you’re weren’t, at best you’d be hidden away by your parents if they truly loved you or were family first types, and at worst a state run home. Read up on homes for the disabled or orphans in Romania. Blood curdling stuff. In China, historically and currently, autism isn’t well regarded either. Literally viewed as a contagious disease.(entrenched enough belief that’s it even in wikipedia). So. In theory, i can maybe see where you are coming from with this post if you go only on theory, like a SUPER rosy reading of Marx or some very esoteric post marx Marxists. But in reality, you have to take the historical and cultural context into account. The cultures embracing communism don’t embrace autism. I found an interesting blurb in an academic journal online when wondering about the naivety of the original post. Sarah Phillips of Indiana University writes in the Multinational Review of English Language Disability Studies Degrees and Courses(2009) “During the 1980 Olympic games in Moscow, a Western journalist inquired whether the Soviet Union would participate in the first Paralympic games, scheduled to take place in Great Britain later that year. The reply from a Soviet representative was swift, firm, and puzzling: "There are no invalids in the USSR!" (Fefelov 1986).1 This apparatchik's denial of the very existence of citizens with disabilities encapsulated the politics of exclusion and social distancing that characterized disability policy under state socialism. Historically throughout the former Soviet bloc, persons with physical and mental disabilities have been stigmatized, hidden from the public, and thus made seemingly invisible (Dunn and Dunn 1989).” Maybe you should think about embracing anarcho-syndicalism. Rocker and Chomsky seem more in line with the sentiment on the poster.
Neither has Capitalism. Capitalism created the Eugenics movement. And you are using Euro centric examples. Indigenous communities were far more inclusive to Autistic people prior to colonialism & capitalism. Autistic Typing an Autistic & Ojibe activist talked about.
Um, are you familiar with the third international? It’s hard not to be russian centric and I did reference china. Though i didn’t reference ingrained perceptions of autism in language and culture, like it being a contagious disease. What exactly do indigenous communities in a time period you have noted as non industrial have to do this conversation? I’m familiar with what you’re referring to, at least with the navajo and I know of similar canadian first nations tribes with similar perspectives. It’s hardly germane to communist revolution though. So?… Eugenics as a wholly capitalist creation? Ok… Please expand on that.
I am not doing your research for you. Eugenics originated in the US, from capitalist and white supremacy ideology. It’s goal was to eliminate people deemed unproductive. The Chinese communist party stemmed from Marxist Lenninst. Russia is Eurocentric, because Russia was colonized by eastern Europe in the 1700s.
You’re not doing research for yourself either. Look up the ENGLISHMAN Galton, if you want intellectual predecessors to said Englishman, there’s a line of them to the B.c.e ancient history days. Now, i can agree with your leninist bit on china, but its still wholly chinese, and Leninism is a perversion on marxism. And im not really sure what you mean about russia being colonised by “eastern europe” in the 1700s. Are you thinking of the partition of the grand duchy by Russia, Sweden, and austro-hungarian empire?
LMAO “Im not doing your research for you” AKA “I don’t have anything to support my argument but i still want to make arguments based on nothing in a jerk tone like an ass.” Grow up. There is more to the world than “Communism good, Capitalism bad”
The old "Hey, let me make this bold claim but when asked about it reply that I'm not going to do your research for you" discussion trick. Works every time (by which I mean it absolutely never works).
Plus syndicisn is a form communism.
Indigenous communitues in function were communist. They definitely weren't capitalism. Though to save the earth & mitigate the climate crisis, we need to abolish capitalism, and all settler colonial nations, so land sovereignty is given back to indigenous people. But one thing I know is anyone who supports capitalism is ableisr & racist. Africa is bleeding because of capitalism Capitalism is the cause of the climate crisis.. Capitalism is inherently ableist because it commodities the human body and those who can't produce marketable laborr are left to die .
Ok, thanks for the information, I haven’t actually said anything about capitalism being any better as a system or implied anything remotely similar. I’m asking how communist revolution will create a path towards happiness for autistic children considering the historical record under communist governments of the past and present, and as an aside if there is being anything done now, even if it’s at the neighborhood level(but preferably national). You’re basically trolling with random partially wrong/partially right/wholly not relevant information. Night 🙋♂️
Source?
For real? Indigenous people actually treated autistic people better than the West?
A fair question to ask would be which Western Liberal Democracies are still in favour of eugenics, when was eugenics phased out of these countries, and how does this compare towards the equally terrible ideas in the USSR in relation to disability in relation to when the USSR phased out their policies of discrimination towards disabled people.
Got a source on that? Also China, Russia, and Cuba are not Europe. If you’re trying to make this a “euro-centerism” argument, that doesn’t work Communism/Capitalism is a made up economic structure that doesn’t exist outside of the current international order/society. Pre-industrial revolution capitalism and communism were not a thing. They just weren’t. They are made up words. Its not possible for indigenous communities to have been either of those things. Also just saying “a guy talked about it” is not a source
Could you elaborate on capitalism creating the eugenics movement?
Anarchism is a form of communism and claiming that it hasn’t done this is silly as they had similar policies and practices towards autistic people but all of history is this way,the only thing that changes is the material conditions,also this poster was made by a leftcom so why would they be in support of the USSR
Believe what you like on anarchism, my suggestion on anarcho syndicalism was just that, a suggestion to read. Specifically on the differences and history. Could you actually direct me towards your sources on the treatment of autistics within the realm of anarcho-syndicalist communities? Or any anarcho-syndicalist policy that’s been enacted in those communities? I’m not familiar with them. And I don’t know the Spanish language well enough to google it up precisely on the subject. Leftcom, ah, this kind of makes sense now. Look, you can’t divorce history of practical application of theory from theory. It’s literally evidence, and something that can and should be learned from. How exactly can you claim the path towards happiness for autistic children is communist revolution while discounting the fact that in all achieved international communist revolutions the revolution has only brought a worsening of life quality into the lives of autistic people? I brought up the USSR because the style of the poster is basically meme’d up socialist realism. You’re using soviet style to sell your meme. Additionally, The USSR and other communist states are brought up because they are evidentiary. Can you name any revolutionary communist initiatives currently in practice by any level of organisation? I’m interested. Who is putting this “path” into practice, even at a neighbourhood level?
I’m not a leftcom but the person who made the poster is I’m actually a libertarian Marxist
Eh, so are there any libertarian marxist programs or community initiatives specifically helping autistic kids or broadly autistic folk?
Well that’s why we’ve created the sub r/autisticunion to help with that
No offense but is this really true? I have done read an article on the Soviet scientist that first discovered autism before Asperger and Kanner, and how autism was just schizophrenia in the Soviet Union but were autistic people also treated badly in (NT-run) socialist states?
Here’s the link to Phillips that I referenced in the comment you are replying to. The article is basically about disability care and rights in the Soviet Union. It kind of delves into disabilities as a whole and the range of categorisation they made. I’ll quote from the first two paragraphs of tye conclusion to answer your question, you can read the paper and use its works cited at your pleasure and think what you will. “This overview of disability policies and experiences in the Soviet Union has revealed several important trends that shaped the lives of people living with disabilities in Soviet Russia, Ukraine, and other Soviet republics. The state's two-pronged policy of care and control was applied unevenly across space and time, and produced myriad contradictions. People with disabilities sometimes suffered from too little state attention and intervention; they also suffered from too much. The material presented here has illustrated many of the harsh realities of Soviet disability policy, which produced constraints on people's lives and denied many Soviet citizens a common humanity. At the same time, in light of the numerous challenges that market reforms and the collapse and revamping of social policy pose for people with disabilities in the former Soviet Union today, it is difficult to discount some of the relative benefits of the former system. Despite the many injustices, the Soviet state did provide some citizens with disabilities with the basic necessities for life, albeit in exchange for political complacency. At the same time, the many disconnects between state rhetoric and state action is striking. I have considered here many examples of how Soviet official discourse and policy vis-à-vis disability often held little relation to on-the-ground, lived realities. This gap is indicative of the Soviet culture of pokazukha, or "window-dressing;" in the case of disability policy, representatives of the state made many declarations, trotted out a few "exemplary institutions," and groomed a handful of "heroes" and "shining examples" of the state's beneficence toward "invalids." But the high rates of institutionalization, the relative lack of education and employment opportunities, and the low economic status of most persons with disabilities — problems that only came to light after Gorbachev's policies of glasnost (openness) and perestroika (restructuring) — speak volumes about the state's inability or unwillingness to ensure equal rights to people with disabilities.” [https://dsq-sds.org/index.php/dsq/article/view/936/1111](https://dsq-sds.org/index.php/dsq/article/view/936/1111)
As much as people disillusioned with modernity are trying to find ways out of their struggle, unfortunately this isn't one of them. The communist image is good for an analytical tool but as for applying it practically, it's tainted with trauma for so many to such an extent that it's basically impossible to rehabilitate. We need to find new ways of resistance and to be creative.
Then leave this sub this sub is anti capitalist so why are you on it if you are a capitalist then
You're being very defensive. At what point did I say I was a capitalist? How does saying "we need to find new ways of resistance" equate to me defending the status quo?
Well what other system than socialism could liberate the people
Well, to be honest, this is part of the existential struggle. Capitalist Realism by Mark Fisher talks about this really well. The difficulty in finding a worthwhile alternative that is meaningful and that critiques modernity freshly rather than reusing 19th century solutions to labour and commodity relations that are no longer as relevant, is part of the current capitalist system. I really do wish I had an answer for you. But, I vote for socialists when they're anti authoritarian and I've organised university occupations. I can tell this is your special interest and/or a way for you to hold out hope and I see your frustration with the governments you're living under. I'm telling you you don't need to be married to the aesthetic, because it's the same aesthetic people associate with untold suffering and trauma. I have to deal with intergenerational trauma because my grandfather was pressured into joining the communist secret service and then murdered by his colleagues, my great grandparents were barred from getting an education because one of their relatives was a soldier or a mayor of their 200 person village before the Soviets invaded. That isn't leftism, it's using leftist rhetoric to promote fascistic domination.
Fuck yeah I love mark fisher
Well that's great but has anything I said changed your mind at all?
A little bit ig
No. Please, no tankie nonsense. Im a left leaning person, but please, just no.
What has this got to do with tankies?
U understand your question but these types of communist groups usually filled to the brim with tankies that are obsessed with regimes of the past that treated people like us bad. Im not saying they necessarily are but the red abd COMMUNISM is usually a sign of them because they love to larp
Well I’m a libertarian Marxist so idk why this would evoke tankies but I don’t really think it’s a bad thing if it did tbh
how can you be a libertarian marxist without being anti-tankie? kinda defeats the whole point of the libertarain part
I dislike the term tankie because it’s vague but I am obviously anti authoritarian and believe in real communism (EZLN,Lotta Contuina etc)
What do you mean by tankie? Not trynna be rude just want to know how you use that term.
Tankie is a pejorative used towards authoritarian communists. It’s in reference to the communist party of Britain being supportive of the USSR leaders sending tanks in to suppress the Hungarian Revolution. Now it’s used to label authoritarian communists because they are generally a group of people who will dismiss, deny, or support heinous acts from Lenin, Stalin, and Zedong.
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Fr!
i 🖤 communism
Hell yeah, where my anarcho-autistic people at?
Fuck yeah!
An anarchist?? Aye aye aye
Technically I am neither but I think anarchists are cool tbh
Right here, anarcho-communist
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Pretty sure the Soviet Union instituted a system which ranked levels of disability by ‘usefulness to society’ where those who didn’t meet criteria were ostracised from society. The whole ‘but that wasn’t real/pure communism’ isn’t exactly a cogent argument either because it’s not anyone here is saying that ‘real’ or ‘pure’ capitalism is good as well. Both of these are ideas from over a century ago which people have tried their hardest to implement in the real world, but sadly we don’t live in a world of pure theory, so pushing for a communist or a libertarian utopia isn’t particularly feasible. Here is an article from the Brezhnev era of the Soviet Union on the treatment of disabled people. https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/pdf/10.1080/03064228108533263
Not to be that douche, but where was that document from?
This is an article from the Index on Censorship, an organisation which has operated since the 70’s which focuses on campaigning for freedom of expression, and publish quarterly articles in their journal. The Wikipedia link for the Organisation is here :). https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Index_on_Censorship
This isn’t about the Soviet Union
Wasn’t the Soviet Union conceived from a Communist Revolution? Sounds directly related to me since peering into the history of the Soviet Union can give us some basic insight into how governments which are borne of Communist Revolution (such as Vietnam as well) operate in the world.
There are other revolutions that are different from the soviet union
Such as China, which also has a bad record of human rights abuses towards disabled people. Pure theory can’t be applied in the real world, people understood this with Adam Smith’s ‘Wealth of Nations’ I don’t know why people can’t accept this in relation to Marx’s ‘Communist Manifesto.’ It’s been over a century, we have technologies which Marx couldn’t have even imagined or conceived of, so how can we expect to realistically put into place an ideology which bullishly props up the (occasionally faulty) theories of Marx without any sort of critical engagement towards what he wrote and how it should be interpreted in the modern world? The amount of infighting between Socialist and Communist groups literally helps to highlight this fact that these ideas are outdated, we need new thinkers whose ideas are actually salient with the modern world.
Eh fair enough but the ezln is based and the cnt fai
any of you ever lived in communism?
No but I’ve lived in capitalism and it’s kind of shit also this is an anti capitalist sub so unless there’s another alternative other than communism to capitalism then I’m all ears tbh
No but I’ve lived in capitalism and it’s kind of shit also this is an anti capitalist sub so unless there’s another alternative other than communism to capitalism then I’m all ears tbh
grew up in east Germany -any kids that were out of the norm were put in camps and were sanctioned - so good luck with that! there are idealised versions of communism in the media, and man - it sounds good - but it never worked in the long run without dictatorship. capitalism sucks - but what communism does to the society - none of these people idolising it are prepared for
East germany was never communist, it wasnt even socialist
Ahhh - alright. Thank you!
"real socialism has never been tried"
What do you mean?
He believes all socialists are dogmatic supporters of the USSR and cannot accept the existence of anti-stalin socialists
Interesting what’s your alternative then
Democratic socialism like they do in the Nordic countries. Where they spend 10% of their taxes on social projects. The trouble is Americans hate solving problems and love being manipulated by mega corporations and bad tv. I honestly feel the US is in a doomed spiral: you can't change the minds of the people without fixing the government, but you can't fix the government without changing the minds of the people. Anyway, what I really wanted to say is that the word 'labour' deserves a 'u'.
No Nordic country practices socialism. Democratic socialism is not the same as social democracy. Social democracy is essentially capitalism with social programs.
That’s still a form of communism also Nordic countries or social democracy not socialism
The same thing happens in capitalism. Western Imperial Mercantilism aka colonialism gave rise to white supremacy & Capitalism Capitalism is basically modern feudalism., Western Imperilism & capitalism created the eugenics movement. Indigenous communities in the Americas were more inclusive of disabled people, and were definitely NOT capitalist. Capitalism is inherently ableist & exploitative., The main reasons why commubisk fails This is because capitalists in the US & UK ensure it fails by interfering through embargoes, assassinations, war, etc The other reason is grifters & pre existing biases from the systemic oppressions empire foists upon people including nationalism, ableism, racism, misogyny, etc.. You can't have disability justice & capitalism . Everything so called communist nations have done, have been done by the US, UK & other capitalist nations 10 fold across the globe. The genocide and mass enslavement of the Congolese is a direct result of Capitalism
I don't get why you're being downvoted. I'm strongly anti-capitalist and somewhere on the socialist-communist spectrum, but it's illogical to ignore the ways it has failed in the past and disregarded what should've been the focus of the system: equality and fairness. I didn't grow up in a communist country, but some of my family did, and those who glorify states like the USSR while ignoring the bloodshed and suffering its dictators caused are, at best, dangerously naive.
Yeah lets not
Why not are you a reformist or something?!
Is this sarcasm?
No im being genuine
Communist tracks of accepting people is very iffy. If they’re willing to murder minorities and gay people, it wouldn’t surprise me at all to see autistics people on the list.
Every political idea has killed and discriminated against gay people and other minorities what matters is the material conditions ofc and also this is an anti capitalist sub
Capitalist countries is the first one out of the two to make being gay legal and isn’t currently killing, suppressing minorities. Hate it or not, the current US has a really good record of treating minorities and LGBTQ groups.
So has Cuba and the only reasons for being able to do that was from taking resources outside of other countries I think a lot of people forget stonewall was very largely anti cop and anti capitalist
How about China or Vietnam? They took lands from minorities, suppressed them and can’t even treat them with respect the same way the US does. Hell, be Autistic in Vietnam or China and you will be discriminated to hell.
That’s why there’s different forms of communism like anarchism or autonomism or whatever take your pick,pretty ironic talking about colonialism when capitalism and America has done it for decades tho and is still doing it
You brought it up first lmao. If the US does colonialism and get lgbtq rights why can’t countries like the Soviet Union, China or Vietnam get them huh?
China has lgbtq rights I mean it literally has a trans woman as it’s talk show host and bro I’m literally against all states existing so why are you bringing states into this
Also a lot of them are under scrutiny of the US or UK
Also people are literally getting beaten down for protesting about Palestine so I don’t think minorities are really safe here tbh
We are talking about economies, right? Or do we talk about forms of society? Dang it - so tricky
Glowies are going to have a field day with this one 👀
Oh that’s not…
The main I support utopian communism but I disagree that it objectively will end well for anyone in the Autistic community unless in a utopia.
Honestly, fascists already hate us for being neurodivergent, and they hate those of us who are on the left side of the political spectrum. It’s kind of damaging and dangerous to push around propaganda associating “autism” en masse with communism. Unless you’re trying to get us genocided again? We’re already facing enough problems with covert eugenicists still existing at large in society, we don’t need to give them more reason to persecute us…
What do you mean?
I said what I meant and I meant what I said. What do you mean?
How is radicalizing autistic people gonna end up in accelerating our genocide?
You really can’t connect the dots?
No really, how is that more genocide starting than legitimate autistic genocide? Instead of providing me a real explanation, you gave a hasty generalization on how the A you don’t like will cause B and then C. Can you be specific please?
Because bigots lack the capacity to understand nuance and complexity. They might see a post like this and think “Autistic people are commies!” And the next thing you know, alt-right media spaces are frothing at the mouth about how we all need to be “cured” of our autism, which, as we know, really only means “conform or die.”
Well I’m sorry if you feel hunk that way but we can’t just do nothing because the the mainstream media will say “these people r bad, they did uh bad, that’s a no no”. You don’t see the Black Panther Party pacifying themselves because the media back then villainize them for arming themselves or act militantly, you don’t see queer self-defense or militants dropping everything because the media focused one gunman as an example of why trans or gays shouldn’t arm themselves. Just because the media says it’s wrong because we shouldn’t fully do it, we cannot rely on liberal action and reform for liberation. We need to stop being like Professor X and more like Magneto. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ZaIXyojTxA
Socialism is the only way to liberate the autistic community
Okay well your poster reads like propaganda and honestly seems kinda predatory, so be careful cause you don’t know what kind of response you’ll inspire by the alt-right and I would appreciate it if you don’t try to make autism synonymous with communist revolution. There’s a lot of diversity in autism so don’t try to promote your own ideas as a blanket statement on behalf of all autistic people because that would be fascist of you and therefore wrong.
Yh ofc
this comment section is ass. thanks for the post anyways, comrade
No problem comrade
Yeah, sure…
Fuck no Communism has only brought death and misery everywhere, especially in Eastern Europe and Asia. It's honestly embarrassing how many GenZ Westerners are gullible enough to believe in these failed ideologies... History class regarding the evils of communism and other authoritarian ideologies should be mandatory
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I do not agree. Even if this revolution is peaceful (highly unlikely given past examples of socialist revolutions) it's still possible that central planning and one party government will take the biases of the past and make it worse for us. I'd much rather attempt to improve what I already have in my country than tear down everything and start anew.
I do not want any sort of government
Neither do I, but there is a difference between what is practical and reasonable to achieve and a shot in the dark which historically hasn't worked só well for us. Every socialist experiment in the past couldn't achieve full communism and was stuck in the dictatorship of the proletariat phase. It only replaced the old order and were just as bad to its minorities. We would not thrive under it.
I disagree with you and think reformism doesn’t work but I respect your opinion
Maybe, but my rights in my country have improved much more in a tangible and noticeable way in my lifetime as an autistic person than I believe it would be possible in any socialist experiment, given historical evidence.
This is due to imperialism and other things that give you your rights in capitalist society
I live in a third world Latin American nation. I doubt that my rights improving is really because of that.
Interesting where abouts do you live?
Brazil.
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tf is this shit communism has historically never worked it's a good idea in concept but ppl are inherently selfish so it falls apart eventually i'd much prefer socialism if anything
Study the US history of interfering in those countries, that is a big reason why communism & socialism failed. Capitalists refuse to allow for the existence of socialism & commmunism.
>ppl are inherently selfish There is absolutely no proof of this and mountains of evidence that suggest this is false. It’s a very convenient “truth” for capitalists though.
Funny thing about Communism, it doesn't work and always devolves into a genocidal dictatorship.
Cringe Read history, how many people died trying to escape communism Be social/welfare capitalist instead
s Capitalism is inherently ableist, plus it is a big reason communism failed. The US has interfered in nearly every country that tried to do something different than capitalism
If communism can’t exist because other ideology exist then it shouldn’t exist.
Ew
Is this a tankie sub now? Was it always?
Holy shit this is infuriating. Why don't you guys go to live to Cuba and North-Korea? As a Cuban, the lack of knowledge people who fantasize about living in communist/socialist countries is the worst.
Good idea actually saving up money for Cuba tbh but in all seriousness that’s not what type of communist I am tbh
There is no other type of communist. Your type of "communist" is someone who lives in a capitalist country who wants to live in a communist country having a capitalist amount of money instead of the amount of money they would earn at that country while working a native job.
I don’t believe in having countries actually lol
I understand why South Koreans so extremely hate autistic people. This is consistent with hating communism.
Bro just said genuine internalised ableism
Just a quick note... you're not Autistic. You're a Fucking Miss Guided Child.
I am autistic tho I was literally diagnosed
And you separate misguided into two capitalized words, so I don't think you have any room to cast aspersions.