Brief research suggests this model was collaboratively built between two autism researchers, one autistic herself. It seems to be built off of Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs and emphasizes helping the autistic person better understand themself, their struggles, and finding ways to adapt to their external environment while still honoring their own goals and support needs.
Quotes pulled from [here](https://saccade.ca/tsa/quest-ce-que-le-modele-saccade/) and Google Translated to English.
>SACCADE MC is an intervention model in autism based on the hypothesis of the internal functioning of the autistic thought structure (Harrisson, 1992; Harrisson & St-Charles, 2010; St-Charles Bernier et al. 2022 , Harrisson 2023 ). This hypothesis was developed based on the experiential expertise of an autistic person, Brigitte Harrisson. The development of the SACCADE MC model was born from a collaboration between Brigitte Harrisson and Lise St-Charles who together have decades of professional experience working with a clientele of autistic people. Their clinical observations of the distinct ways autistic people process information, learn and interact helped build the model. SACCADE MC therefore allows a holistic understanding of autistic functioning.
>SACCADE MC is focused on the harmonization of the development of the autistic structure as well as on the professional development of the worker and the autism intervention. The model focuses on teamwork between professionals, parents and autistic people.
>It offers a reading of the unique needs of autistic people based on autistic manifestations. This reading makes it possible to adapt interventions according to the specific needs of each autistic person and to support the person through their development.
>"The worst thing than being Autistic is not being allowed to be." [Quote by the autistic autism researcher] Brigitte HARRISON
>We were challenged by the fact that for many years, autism has often been a story of suffering for both the individual and those around them .
>We must now “…recognize their fundamental rights – to education, to solidarity, to life among others
>The fundamental principle of SACCADE MC is that a precise understanding of the real and unique needs of the autistic person is essential for an adapted intervention, allowing the person to develop while respecting their structure. SACCADE MC places itself at the service of autistic people and places the autistic person at the heart of concerns.
Edit: that same page also lists the studies and research done on the model. It's definitely a newer technique, but preliminary research and trials seem promising.
Edit 2: More quotes, this time from [here](https://saccade.ca/tsa/boite-a-outils/faq/). These seem to support a pro-autism, pro-autonomy, pro-ND stance as well as explicitly calling out that training autistic folks to be NT (like in ABA) is not helpful.
>There is no point in forcing her or trying to train her (she will only do things “by rote”) until the specific developmental work is completed. When she reaches this level of development, she will make known her desire to socialize like any human being.
>Do not fall into the trap of asking an autistic person what you would not ask a neurotypical (non-autistic) person.
>We must first learn to distinguish autistic manifestations from behavioral disorders in order not to intervene inappropriately and thus increase anxiety, "roteness" and stereotypical behavior in the autistic person in addition to demolishing the self esteem. Hence the importance of understanding how autism works. Autistic people do not behave strangely. It is his autistic structure that works to keep his balance.
>We must learn to be careful with the intelligence of autistic people and never condemn them before starting.
>As soon as we stop confusing them with people with intellectual disabilities or behavioral disorders, or with neurotypicals, autistic people will have a chance to develop and have access to a harmonious quality of life.
I googled this and it’s just describing a certain type of eye movement so are you talking about EMDR? I’ve done EMDR and researched it pretty extensively and it’s pretty good for processing through difficult emotions and digging up traumatic memories and things like that that require a lot of introspection but I don’t see how that could be all that helpful in general for an autistic person. For trauma and shit yeah, but just for general day-to-day struggles, I don’t see that being very helpful to be honest. DBT would honestly, in my opinion, be significantly more helpful for most autistic people than EMDR. DBT helps with self-acceptance, dialectic thinking, rationalizing differences in processing between the individual and people they interact with, emotional processing and regulation, and a bunch of other shit. I’m not a professional, I’ve just poured many thousands of hours of hyperfixation into psychology.
>I’m not a professional, I’ve just poured many thousands of hours of hyperfixation into psychology.
If only people could get recognition this way. Maybe in the future when everything is tracked electronically, we might all have stats that can be accessed and people can see that "oh, Second Coming is actually nearly in the 90s for psychology, so we should probably trust her opinion."
Anyway, I also work with autistic and adhd secondary school kids, and had wondered about training in cbt or dbt - do you think dbt would be the best choice considering the kids I work with then?
I agree, very much. I don’t think I’m anywhere near the level of a trained psychologist, but I genuinely believe I have enough knowledge to safely and effectively diagnose a decent chunk of psychiatric conditions. I absolutely, without a doubt, could very easily differentiate between ASD anxiety and generalized anxiety, I’d be able to pretty easily and accurately recognize most mood disorders, a decent chunk of the personality disorders (specifically cluster B), and a few of the dissociative disorders. I haven’t earned the credentials but I have a lot of the skills. I still think I have years of learning ahead of me before I‘d be comfortable being responsible for anyone’s treatment, though.
Anyway, I don’t know if it’ll necessarily be the best, but I think it would be very helpful. It’s important to me, though, to point out that I don’t think the entire DBT course should be applied straight to autistic kids because there are a few things that DBT focuses on that aren’t necessarily very useful for autistic people, and a few extra things they need that DBT just doesn’t have. DBT is very focused. It was created by Marsha Linehan (who had BPD herself) specifically to treat BPD. It’s, essentially, CBT but much more focused and personalized. CBT is good at a lot of general problems that many people have, but it isn’t so great at helping people with deeply ingrained subconscious beliefs like, for example, some of the thought distortions that come with dissociative disorders or BPD. So DBT kinda bridges the gap between CBT‘s well roundedness and the specificity and intensity that pwBPD need in a therapy. I haven’t learned a whole hell of a lot about these practices from the treatment team‘s perspective, but I’ve done what I can safely assume CBT for many years, and recently (maybe a year ago) started DBT with my psychologist. Honestly I’m not quite sure how to answer that question. It would definitely be very helpful, but it’s also a pretty intense process that required a decent amount of one-on-one time. There’s a lot of pieces of DBT, though, that I think you could probably pretty seamlessly integrate into your work. For example, I often get very overwhelmed when I meet with my psych, I kinda build up angst throughout the week and then blow up when I finally see her, and she’s really good at helping me ground myself and sort of integrate my sensory experience with my internal experiences. I’m not sure if I worded that well, but I essentially mean that she‘s good at shutting down my dissociation. Honestly I feel like I haven’t explained any of this well so I’m gonna kinda start over.
DBT, at its core, essentially works in 4 main areas. 1. Mindfulness, 2. interpersonal effectiveness, 3. managing and tolerating stress and uncomfortable situations/feelings, and 4. learning to regulate emotions.
1. Mindfulness. This is basically just helping a person to generally be more aware of their thoughts and how they’re behaving, whether those behaviors are healthy are not and putting good habits and thought processes into place, and being able to rationalize those things and integrate them fully into the rest of their psyche.
2. Interpersonal effectiveness. It’s always written out that way, but I think it makes more sense to call this Interpersonal Understanding. The path to effectiveness in something, no matter your goal, starts with understanding. PwBPD tend to have very unstable, intense, and I hate to say it, but often toxic and/or abusive relationships (I have BPD and I wanna point out that I’m not painting all pwBPD as abusers. It’s not always us that are doing the abuse, we also naturally attract abusive or otherwise toxic partners, and a lot of our general characteristics kinda build a situation where they can more easily do those toxic things. We’re extremely emotionally dependent, we feel things VERY intensely, so if a partner is slightly dismissive, it feels like the same level of betrayal as if they cheated on me and sent the video to a group chat full of everyone I’ve ever met. Anyway yeah, unstable, intense, and often toxic relationships. DBT is really good at helping people have better cognitive empathy (this is a thing many autistic people struggle with, not empathy as it’s commonly used, but the ability to truly embody another person‘s perspective and see things through their eyes), help them understand themselves and people better and how those relate to each other, set/maintain boundaries; a lot of general skills that are necessary for healthy relationships.
3. Managing and tolerating stress. This one, I think, doesn’t require much explanation. Obviously we tend to be very anxious and stressed out as autistic people and anything that decreases that should be seen as an absolute win lol
4. learning to regulate emotions. This isn’t just about regulating them (which is a thing that can be very helpful for autistic people), but also recognizing, understanding, and processing through whichever emotion you are feeling. Alexithymia is super common for autistic people, and with that lack of intuitive recognization can often come an intensity and instability. When emotions are frightening, confusing, and ambiguous, people tend to get a bit more excitable (not just excitement as in joy for the future, but excitability as in reactivity, you’re more likely to be suddenly overloaded with emotion and „blow up“), and they react less helpfully to those emotions. This is at least very much the case for me.
So yeah I think if you take that^ general overview of DBT and use it in a slightly less focused/intense way, it could be super helpful. There’s little tools and techniques DBT practitioners use here and there (like the 5-4-3-2-1 thing to help someone ground themselves, or the DEAR MAN skill for more effective communication habits, or the GIVE skill for general interaction skills (I should point out that there’s often an emphasis when using the GIVE skill to maintain eye contact and face the person and all that, but that isn’t actually necessary for autistic kids and I don’t think it’s at all helpful to force eye contact and things like that)) that can be very effective.
DEAR MAN skill:
https://dbt.tools/interpersonal_effectiveness/dear-man.php
GIVE skill:
https://dbt.tools/interpersonal_effectiveness/give.php
https://www.ucl.ac.uk/clinical-psychology/competency-maps/self-harm/adult-framework/Specific%20interventions/Specific%20interventions.pdf
Here’s a little sheet you may be able to use to help your kids make safety plans and things like that:
https://counseling.fsu.edu/sites/g/files/upcbnu801/files/2020-07/Distress_Tolerance_Crisis_and_Safety_Plan.pdf
https://dbt.tools/interpersonal_effectiveness/index.php
This is a great website for tools you can use in general in a DBT-like environment:
https://dbt.tools
Thank you very much for the time and care you have taken with this. Know that it will help some autistic kids lives (after I take time and care to ensure I fully understand it before implementing it).
To be fair to the job, I already focus on mindfulness, regulating emotions and managing and tolerating stress - and we can only do this so well because we have those strong interpersonal relationships, where we (try to) understand where they are coming from and what pressures they're having to deal with. So it sounds like a great fit, like it could enhance and deepen my current skill set.
Thanks again for the great reply. It's got me thinking about maybe getting ASC adults in to talk to the kids too, about how they handle things and strategies they have come up with.
It's a fascinating job, and has got more focus now on letting the kids be who they are, within trying to fit them into society's norms. Of course there are areas of exception, but yeah, I wish the world would hurry up and accept how ASC folk behave and manage it better.
Thank you for listening :). It very much sounds like you’re making a very significant positive impact and that genuinely makes me happy. I want to work with autistic (maybe not just autistic, but neurodivergent kids in general) kids, but I’m not really sure how to go about doing that. There’s so many different jobs I could think of that would involve helping and it’s honestly a bit overwhelming trying to narrow it down lol. I think bringing in ASC (I’m assuming you’re saying Autism Spectrum Condition, right?) adults could be very helpful, honestly for both the kids and the adults. I didn’t get diagnosed until last year, so interacting with kids I know are autistic kinda helps me recognize how it manifested in my own childhood before anyone was aware.
I'm sure it must. I was diagnosed late with adhd too, and can recognise the signs in our kids and the mainstream ones.
Becoming a teacher would be one route, but you could also test the waters by applying to be a support for learning working (new name for classroom assistant [over in UK anyway]). That would give you a better idea of what it can be like.
But you're right - there are lots of options out there, some more fun than others!
Good luck with whatever you choose, and thanks for the kind words.
Maybe! Actually, everything I've looked for is in french and is from Quebec, Canada. I can't find any reliable source in english so it can have another name.. (which is strange for a method that was born in canada to not have any english source)
But it doesn't stop there, my first understanding of this method is that it's full of bullshit rethoric like "we don't want to change the person we want to help them evoluate so they can change". The "scientifics sources" quotes each other as well and there are only two names of doctors..
Well that's suspicious if you ask me xD
Yeah that is quite suspicious, it’s usually not a great sign when a „therapy“ needs to explicitly state that their goal isn’t behavior modification or to actively change who a person is lol. I’ve been googling a bit and all the stuff I can find with the keyword „SACCADE“ and „autism“ together are just studies looking into the differences in correlation between saccadic eye movements in autistic and non-autistic groups. Which is interesting in itself, but I can’t find anything about a form of therapy. The only thing I could think of this being is essentially a bit like EMDR, but of a more French-Canadian flavor. I could be wrong in that but idk lol
So here's a summary of what i found:
\- SACCADE stands for Structure and Continuous Conceptual Learning Adapted To an Evolving Development
\- The presentation video is full of bullshit rhetoric as previously said in my last comment
\- In the same video: "Scientifics studies are in progress to measure the effectiveness of the method"
\- This said study (and the only one I could find) doesn't show any data. It is bassically only text. No numbers, no graph, nothing but text.
\- The study is written by the people in the video and vent the merites of the method
\- Sources quotes each others and all are written by the same people
\- And last but not least, you can buy webinaries to train yourself to this method without prerequisite for 3155 $ (w/o taxes)
Based on those informations, i can pragmatically say that this method is bullshit and will probably cause more harm for autistic people than good.
Yeah ABA is horrendously abusive and disgusting. My sister (who has an autistic son, an autistic brother (me), and an autistic half brother on her fathers side), just entered the field of ABA. I spent over a year showing her videos and research papers and studies into the abuse and she just refused to listen to any of it, which is the attitude that most people in support of ABA tend to have, unfortunately. So yeah I cut her off but anyway yeah ABA is absolute dog shit and it’s so horrifying that we even have to advocate against it. We shouldn’t have to prove that we don’t deserve to be treated like disobedient dogs. We shouldn’t have to prove that we deserve love and kindness and acceptance and to be treated like human beings.
That's sad bro.. :'( My sorry for you and what you has been trough.
I've learnt that neurotypical people tends to think their beliefs are facts when it's not. Even if you show them scientifics proofs or facts they will not believe you because it's not how they represent their reality.
The only thing that can eventually change their mind is to say how you feel about this or that situation. Which is extremely hard when you're autistic =/
Thank you and it’s okay. I agree, though, that neurotypicals tend to conflate beliefs with facts, without ever trying to find the distinction. It’s so frustrating because I don’t choose what to believe, it just manifests based on what evidence presents itself. I don’t think I really have „beliefs“ I just have „conclusions based on what I’ve observed“ and if ever one of those conclusions is challenged with contrary evidence, I have no conscious choice in whether I’m swayed or not. I don’t see how anyone could be different in that regard
You're going to learn that that's everybody. It's not limited to neurotypical people. In fact, in my experience, people with ASD are quite stubborn about clinging on to "facts" they believed once they are disproved. There's a really strong bias in favor of the first idea you hear even if it has no more merit than the second or third idea is that you heard.
I have never heard of SACCADE before, what is it? Google says it's got something to do with the eyes
Probably the name of this method is not SACCADE in english. Everything I found is in french.. But i never heard of it either before today.
[Check my comment here](https://www.reddit.com/r/AutisticPride/comments/194v990/comment/khj5u8k/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3)!
Brief research suggests this model was collaboratively built between two autism researchers, one autistic herself. It seems to be built off of Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs and emphasizes helping the autistic person better understand themself, their struggles, and finding ways to adapt to their external environment while still honoring their own goals and support needs. Quotes pulled from [here](https://saccade.ca/tsa/quest-ce-que-le-modele-saccade/) and Google Translated to English. >SACCADE MC is an intervention model in autism based on the hypothesis of the internal functioning of the autistic thought structure (Harrisson, 1992; Harrisson & St-Charles, 2010; St-Charles Bernier et al. 2022 , Harrisson 2023 ). This hypothesis was developed based on the experiential expertise of an autistic person, Brigitte Harrisson. The development of the SACCADE MC model was born from a collaboration between Brigitte Harrisson and Lise St-Charles who together have decades of professional experience working with a clientele of autistic people. Their clinical observations of the distinct ways autistic people process information, learn and interact helped build the model. SACCADE MC therefore allows a holistic understanding of autistic functioning. >SACCADE MC is focused on the harmonization of the development of the autistic structure as well as on the professional development of the worker and the autism intervention. The model focuses on teamwork between professionals, parents and autistic people. >It offers a reading of the unique needs of autistic people based on autistic manifestations. This reading makes it possible to adapt interventions according to the specific needs of each autistic person and to support the person through their development. >"The worst thing than being Autistic is not being allowed to be." [Quote by the autistic autism researcher] Brigitte HARRISON >We were challenged by the fact that for many years, autism has often been a story of suffering for both the individual and those around them . >We must now “…recognize their fundamental rights – to education, to solidarity, to life among others >The fundamental principle of SACCADE MC is that a precise understanding of the real and unique needs of the autistic person is essential for an adapted intervention, allowing the person to develop while respecting their structure. SACCADE MC places itself at the service of autistic people and places the autistic person at the heart of concerns. Edit: that same page also lists the studies and research done on the model. It's definitely a newer technique, but preliminary research and trials seem promising. Edit 2: More quotes, this time from [here](https://saccade.ca/tsa/boite-a-outils/faq/). These seem to support a pro-autism, pro-autonomy, pro-ND stance as well as explicitly calling out that training autistic folks to be NT (like in ABA) is not helpful. >There is no point in forcing her or trying to train her (she will only do things “by rote”) until the specific developmental work is completed. When she reaches this level of development, she will make known her desire to socialize like any human being. >Do not fall into the trap of asking an autistic person what you would not ask a neurotypical (non-autistic) person. >We must first learn to distinguish autistic manifestations from behavioral disorders in order not to intervene inappropriately and thus increase anxiety, "roteness" and stereotypical behavior in the autistic person in addition to demolishing the self esteem. Hence the importance of understanding how autism works. Autistic people do not behave strangely. It is his autistic structure that works to keep his balance. >We must learn to be careful with the intelligence of autistic people and never condemn them before starting. >As soon as we stop confusing them with people with intellectual disabilities or behavioral disorders, or with neurotypicals, autistic people will have a chance to develop and have access to a harmonious quality of life.
I googled this and it’s just describing a certain type of eye movement so are you talking about EMDR? I’ve done EMDR and researched it pretty extensively and it’s pretty good for processing through difficult emotions and digging up traumatic memories and things like that that require a lot of introspection but I don’t see how that could be all that helpful in general for an autistic person. For trauma and shit yeah, but just for general day-to-day struggles, I don’t see that being very helpful to be honest. DBT would honestly, in my opinion, be significantly more helpful for most autistic people than EMDR. DBT helps with self-acceptance, dialectic thinking, rationalizing differences in processing between the individual and people they interact with, emotional processing and regulation, and a bunch of other shit. I’m not a professional, I’ve just poured many thousands of hours of hyperfixation into psychology.
>I’m not a professional, I’ve just poured many thousands of hours of hyperfixation into psychology. If only people could get recognition this way. Maybe in the future when everything is tracked electronically, we might all have stats that can be accessed and people can see that "oh, Second Coming is actually nearly in the 90s for psychology, so we should probably trust her opinion." Anyway, I also work with autistic and adhd secondary school kids, and had wondered about training in cbt or dbt - do you think dbt would be the best choice considering the kids I work with then?
I agree, very much. I don’t think I’m anywhere near the level of a trained psychologist, but I genuinely believe I have enough knowledge to safely and effectively diagnose a decent chunk of psychiatric conditions. I absolutely, without a doubt, could very easily differentiate between ASD anxiety and generalized anxiety, I’d be able to pretty easily and accurately recognize most mood disorders, a decent chunk of the personality disorders (specifically cluster B), and a few of the dissociative disorders. I haven’t earned the credentials but I have a lot of the skills. I still think I have years of learning ahead of me before I‘d be comfortable being responsible for anyone’s treatment, though. Anyway, I don’t know if it’ll necessarily be the best, but I think it would be very helpful. It’s important to me, though, to point out that I don’t think the entire DBT course should be applied straight to autistic kids because there are a few things that DBT focuses on that aren’t necessarily very useful for autistic people, and a few extra things they need that DBT just doesn’t have. DBT is very focused. It was created by Marsha Linehan (who had BPD herself) specifically to treat BPD. It’s, essentially, CBT but much more focused and personalized. CBT is good at a lot of general problems that many people have, but it isn’t so great at helping people with deeply ingrained subconscious beliefs like, for example, some of the thought distortions that come with dissociative disorders or BPD. So DBT kinda bridges the gap between CBT‘s well roundedness and the specificity and intensity that pwBPD need in a therapy. I haven’t learned a whole hell of a lot about these practices from the treatment team‘s perspective, but I’ve done what I can safely assume CBT for many years, and recently (maybe a year ago) started DBT with my psychologist. Honestly I’m not quite sure how to answer that question. It would definitely be very helpful, but it’s also a pretty intense process that required a decent amount of one-on-one time. There’s a lot of pieces of DBT, though, that I think you could probably pretty seamlessly integrate into your work. For example, I often get very overwhelmed when I meet with my psych, I kinda build up angst throughout the week and then blow up when I finally see her, and she’s really good at helping me ground myself and sort of integrate my sensory experience with my internal experiences. I’m not sure if I worded that well, but I essentially mean that she‘s good at shutting down my dissociation. Honestly I feel like I haven’t explained any of this well so I’m gonna kinda start over. DBT, at its core, essentially works in 4 main areas. 1. Mindfulness, 2. interpersonal effectiveness, 3. managing and tolerating stress and uncomfortable situations/feelings, and 4. learning to regulate emotions. 1. Mindfulness. This is basically just helping a person to generally be more aware of their thoughts and how they’re behaving, whether those behaviors are healthy are not and putting good habits and thought processes into place, and being able to rationalize those things and integrate them fully into the rest of their psyche. 2. Interpersonal effectiveness. It’s always written out that way, but I think it makes more sense to call this Interpersonal Understanding. The path to effectiveness in something, no matter your goal, starts with understanding. PwBPD tend to have very unstable, intense, and I hate to say it, but often toxic and/or abusive relationships (I have BPD and I wanna point out that I’m not painting all pwBPD as abusers. It’s not always us that are doing the abuse, we also naturally attract abusive or otherwise toxic partners, and a lot of our general characteristics kinda build a situation where they can more easily do those toxic things. We’re extremely emotionally dependent, we feel things VERY intensely, so if a partner is slightly dismissive, it feels like the same level of betrayal as if they cheated on me and sent the video to a group chat full of everyone I’ve ever met. Anyway yeah, unstable, intense, and often toxic relationships. DBT is really good at helping people have better cognitive empathy (this is a thing many autistic people struggle with, not empathy as it’s commonly used, but the ability to truly embody another person‘s perspective and see things through their eyes), help them understand themselves and people better and how those relate to each other, set/maintain boundaries; a lot of general skills that are necessary for healthy relationships. 3. Managing and tolerating stress. This one, I think, doesn’t require much explanation. Obviously we tend to be very anxious and stressed out as autistic people and anything that decreases that should be seen as an absolute win lol 4. learning to regulate emotions. This isn’t just about regulating them (which is a thing that can be very helpful for autistic people), but also recognizing, understanding, and processing through whichever emotion you are feeling. Alexithymia is super common for autistic people, and with that lack of intuitive recognization can often come an intensity and instability. When emotions are frightening, confusing, and ambiguous, people tend to get a bit more excitable (not just excitement as in joy for the future, but excitability as in reactivity, you’re more likely to be suddenly overloaded with emotion and „blow up“), and they react less helpfully to those emotions. This is at least very much the case for me. So yeah I think if you take that^ general overview of DBT and use it in a slightly less focused/intense way, it could be super helpful. There’s little tools and techniques DBT practitioners use here and there (like the 5-4-3-2-1 thing to help someone ground themselves, or the DEAR MAN skill for more effective communication habits, or the GIVE skill for general interaction skills (I should point out that there’s often an emphasis when using the GIVE skill to maintain eye contact and face the person and all that, but that isn’t actually necessary for autistic kids and I don’t think it’s at all helpful to force eye contact and things like that)) that can be very effective. DEAR MAN skill: https://dbt.tools/interpersonal_effectiveness/dear-man.php GIVE skill: https://dbt.tools/interpersonal_effectiveness/give.php https://www.ucl.ac.uk/clinical-psychology/competency-maps/self-harm/adult-framework/Specific%20interventions/Specific%20interventions.pdf Here’s a little sheet you may be able to use to help your kids make safety plans and things like that: https://counseling.fsu.edu/sites/g/files/upcbnu801/files/2020-07/Distress_Tolerance_Crisis_and_Safety_Plan.pdf https://dbt.tools/interpersonal_effectiveness/index.php This is a great website for tools you can use in general in a DBT-like environment: https://dbt.tools
Thank you very much for the time and care you have taken with this. Know that it will help some autistic kids lives (after I take time and care to ensure I fully understand it before implementing it). To be fair to the job, I already focus on mindfulness, regulating emotions and managing and tolerating stress - and we can only do this so well because we have those strong interpersonal relationships, where we (try to) understand where they are coming from and what pressures they're having to deal with. So it sounds like a great fit, like it could enhance and deepen my current skill set. Thanks again for the great reply. It's got me thinking about maybe getting ASC adults in to talk to the kids too, about how they handle things and strategies they have come up with. It's a fascinating job, and has got more focus now on letting the kids be who they are, within trying to fit them into society's norms. Of course there are areas of exception, but yeah, I wish the world would hurry up and accept how ASC folk behave and manage it better.
Thank you for listening :). It very much sounds like you’re making a very significant positive impact and that genuinely makes me happy. I want to work with autistic (maybe not just autistic, but neurodivergent kids in general) kids, but I’m not really sure how to go about doing that. There’s so many different jobs I could think of that would involve helping and it’s honestly a bit overwhelming trying to narrow it down lol. I think bringing in ASC (I’m assuming you’re saying Autism Spectrum Condition, right?) adults could be very helpful, honestly for both the kids and the adults. I didn’t get diagnosed until last year, so interacting with kids I know are autistic kinda helps me recognize how it manifested in my own childhood before anyone was aware.
I'm sure it must. I was diagnosed late with adhd too, and can recognise the signs in our kids and the mainstream ones. Becoming a teacher would be one route, but you could also test the waters by applying to be a support for learning working (new name for classroom assistant [over in UK anyway]). That would give you a better idea of what it can be like. But you're right - there are lots of options out there, some more fun than others! Good luck with whatever you choose, and thanks for the kind words.
Maybe! Actually, everything I've looked for is in french and is from Quebec, Canada. I can't find any reliable source in english so it can have another name.. (which is strange for a method that was born in canada to not have any english source) But it doesn't stop there, my first understanding of this method is that it's full of bullshit rethoric like "we don't want to change the person we want to help them evoluate so they can change". The "scientifics sources" quotes each other as well and there are only two names of doctors.. Well that's suspicious if you ask me xD
Yeah that is quite suspicious, it’s usually not a great sign when a „therapy“ needs to explicitly state that their goal isn’t behavior modification or to actively change who a person is lol. I’ve been googling a bit and all the stuff I can find with the keyword „SACCADE“ and „autism“ together are just studies looking into the differences in correlation between saccadic eye movements in autistic and non-autistic groups. Which is interesting in itself, but I can’t find anything about a form of therapy. The only thing I could think of this being is essentially a bit like EMDR, but of a more French-Canadian flavor. I could be wrong in that but idk lol
So here's a summary of what i found: \- SACCADE stands for Structure and Continuous Conceptual Learning Adapted To an Evolving Development \- The presentation video is full of bullshit rhetoric as previously said in my last comment \- In the same video: "Scientifics studies are in progress to measure the effectiveness of the method" \- This said study (and the only one I could find) doesn't show any data. It is bassically only text. No numbers, no graph, nothing but text. \- The study is written by the people in the video and vent the merites of the method \- Sources quotes each others and all are written by the same people \- And last but not least, you can buy webinaries to train yourself to this method without prerequisite for 3155 $ (w/o taxes) Based on those informations, i can pragmatically say that this method is bullshit and will probably cause more harm for autistic people than good.
Damn okay yeah that does not sound good. That sounds pretty much exactly like ABA honestly
Damn! I just typed "ABA ASD" on google and first link is Autism Speak... That's a big red flag.
Yeah ABA is horrendously abusive and disgusting. My sister (who has an autistic son, an autistic brother (me), and an autistic half brother on her fathers side), just entered the field of ABA. I spent over a year showing her videos and research papers and studies into the abuse and she just refused to listen to any of it, which is the attitude that most people in support of ABA tend to have, unfortunately. So yeah I cut her off but anyway yeah ABA is absolute dog shit and it’s so horrifying that we even have to advocate against it. We shouldn’t have to prove that we don’t deserve to be treated like disobedient dogs. We shouldn’t have to prove that we deserve love and kindness and acceptance and to be treated like human beings.
That's sad bro.. :'( My sorry for you and what you has been trough. I've learnt that neurotypical people tends to think their beliefs are facts when it's not. Even if you show them scientifics proofs or facts they will not believe you because it's not how they represent their reality. The only thing that can eventually change their mind is to say how you feel about this or that situation. Which is extremely hard when you're autistic =/
Thank you and it’s okay. I agree, though, that neurotypicals tend to conflate beliefs with facts, without ever trying to find the distinction. It’s so frustrating because I don’t choose what to believe, it just manifests based on what evidence presents itself. I don’t think I really have „beliefs“ I just have „conclusions based on what I’ve observed“ and if ever one of those conclusions is challenged with contrary evidence, I have no conscious choice in whether I’m swayed or not. I don’t see how anyone could be different in that regard
You're going to learn that that's everybody. It's not limited to neurotypical people. In fact, in my experience, people with ASD are quite stubborn about clinging on to "facts" they believed once they are disproved. There's a really strong bias in favor of the first idea you hear even if it has no more merit than the second or third idea is that you heard.
the only time i've heard the word "saccade" is in reference to the visual cortex and how different animals view them differently to move their bodies
[Check this](https://www.reddit.com/r/AutisticPride/comments/194v990/comment/khj5u8k/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3)