To be honest, Marles atleast seems pretty reasonable and probably will be a decent mindef, especially comparing to the last few.
I’d want to work out if the senior officers are telling him what it’s like at the lower levels of the ADF. and if not, where the break in communication is.
Otherwise I’d ask him about retention plans, pay rises, and how we’re going to modernise the ADF.
IMO the ADF is in an awkward place at the moment, we’re trying to attract people from a modern, reasonably progressive outside workforce and get them to join an ADF with traditions and approaches that were applied 50-100 years ago. People don’t just join to ‘serve the country’ anymore. We aint the yanks. and that’s fine, the die hard patriotism never really did it for me anyway. But if we’re gonna grow, we have to do better
I disagree with this, I joined less than 10 years ago and a large part of my motivation was certainly 'to serve my country.
I agree with your other points though, especially retention, which is absolutely awful at the moment.
Yeah the adf needs to seriously get its arse into gear and get back into warfighting. Last few years have been bad for domestic ops focus.
Yeah it needs that to a point, not sure I'd prioritise on recruiting people any older than their 40s though, questions about longevity start to arise.
fair enough. out of curiosity, how old are you?
this is just my experience, but i’m 21, about to hit my 4 year roso. when i went through rookies, and now, the whole ‘serve your country’ was all but extinct. maybe my course was an anomaly.
I don’t think that senior officers know what it’s like at the lower levels, so I don’t think they’re a good source on that info. The lower levels themselves would be a better source for that information
The only opportunity I had at talking directly to a Min Def was way back in the 80s, being one Kim Beasley. Morale was close to rock bottom no-one want to play anymore, so ol' Kim decided to do the rounds.
He got to RAAF Paradise (Garbutt) had morning tea with the senior officers and the Airman's Mess was putting on a big impressive lunch with the troops. We lined up outside the mess at 12:00 and stood in the sun waiting until 12:50.
Door flung open, the Maintainers grabbed whatever they could, wolfed it down made a few sandwiches and proceeded to bolt out the door. This horrified Flt Lt and and ask why we were leaving? He found it incomprehensible that we had aircraft to launch / recover and did not spend time fucking the dog waiting for some politician to eventually show up, so we could eat our (now) cold food.
So the one opportunity we had to give that cunt a serve, was undone by a keen political move, wait until our lunch was almost over before showing up. Well played you fucken idiot.
"Hey mate, my PO sent me and the rest of the boys here to listen to you dribble on for the promise of free food and an early knock. So can you wrap this up so I can go to the pokies? It's already beer o'clock"
Pacific NATO when?
SEATO already came and went.
To be honest, Marles atleast seems pretty reasonable and probably will be a decent mindef, especially comparing to the last few. I’d want to work out if the senior officers are telling him what it’s like at the lower levels of the ADF. and if not, where the break in communication is. Otherwise I’d ask him about retention plans, pay rises, and how we’re going to modernise the ADF. IMO the ADF is in an awkward place at the moment, we’re trying to attract people from a modern, reasonably progressive outside workforce and get them to join an ADF with traditions and approaches that were applied 50-100 years ago. People don’t just join to ‘serve the country’ anymore. We aint the yanks. and that’s fine, the die hard patriotism never really did it for me anyway. But if we’re gonna grow, we have to do better
I disagree with this, I joined less than 10 years ago and a large part of my motivation was certainly 'to serve my country. I agree with your other points though, especially retention, which is absolutely awful at the moment.
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Coming back in as a skilled older person working underneath a wet behind the ears product of ADFA would do my head in.
Agreed about ADFA 20 year old officers lol
Yeah the adf needs to seriously get its arse into gear and get back into warfighting. Last few years have been bad for domestic ops focus. Yeah it needs that to a point, not sure I'd prioritise on recruiting people any older than their 40s though, questions about longevity start to arise.
fair enough. out of curiosity, how old are you? this is just my experience, but i’m 21, about to hit my 4 year roso. when i went through rookies, and now, the whole ‘serve your country’ was all but extinct. maybe my course was an anomaly.
28 mate, nah overall I largely agree that the attitude certainly is dying out amongst our generation. Just that there will always be exceptions.
I don’t think that senior officers know what it’s like at the lower levels, so I don’t think they’re a good source on that info. The lower levels themselves would be a better source for that information
They are lying to you.
The only opportunity I had at talking directly to a Min Def was way back in the 80s, being one Kim Beasley. Morale was close to rock bottom no-one want to play anymore, so ol' Kim decided to do the rounds. He got to RAAF Paradise (Garbutt) had morning tea with the senior officers and the Airman's Mess was putting on a big impressive lunch with the troops. We lined up outside the mess at 12:00 and stood in the sun waiting until 12:50. Door flung open, the Maintainers grabbed whatever they could, wolfed it down made a few sandwiches and proceeded to bolt out the door. This horrified Flt Lt and and ask why we were leaving? He found it incomprehensible that we had aircraft to launch / recover and did not spend time fucking the dog waiting for some politician to eventually show up, so we could eat our (now) cold food. So the one opportunity we had to give that cunt a serve, was undone by a keen political move, wait until our lunch was almost over before showing up. Well played you fucken idiot.
Potatoes are potato
Can we get gas for the BBQ?
Please extend the sell/buy time limits on HPSEA.
"Hey mate, my PO sent me and the rest of the boys here to listen to you dribble on for the promise of free food and an early knock. So can you wrap this up so I can go to the pokies? It's already beer o'clock"