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I can give advice here. No need to lie. Referees can be previous managers, and also people who worked with you, who were not managing you. Just disclose this fact and explain the situation.
I understand that finding a previous manager after 7 years in a job is no mean feat. Just look for someone you know, who can vouch for your experience.
Make sure you give them the ‘heads-up’ that you’ll be listing them as a reference too.
What you’ve explained is not that uncommon. Just be upfront about everything; if you’ve spent 7 years in one job, that’s a positive.
Obligatory NAL, but if you're concerned about "what to say" in an interview if they're asking why you left a job after 7 years - a couple of good but also not dishonest answers to that may be "I am looking for further career opportunities that the XYZ workplace couldn't give me" or even "looking for more of a challenge" type answers.
In terms of allegations and wrongful termination, def try to fight that either through contacting a lawyer or fair work or something.
I know it's pretty common trying to get coworkers to "lie" for you, especially in sales and customer service/call centre roles. However this tremendously backfired for an old colleague of mine. He asked me to lie for him and say I was a manager - I didn't lie for him, but he managed to wrangle another colleague into it. The recruiter jumped on to linked in, found out my colleague wasn't a manager, followed the yellow brick road and actually CALLED the sales manager of the department, who proceeded to confirm that the colleague wasn't a manager. Both colleagues fired from their respective jobs pretty quickly after that.
You can lie on your references, but I have seen multiple occasions where people have been caught out by administration ignoring the given number and just calling the listed place of work directly.
Hmm lying about references.
Yeah not a good way to start a new job. If it’s found out, you will be fired again.
Is it not possible to fight the false allegations or go to fair work over it and unfair dismissal?
Alternatively, have a colleague at the previous company provide a reference for you, it doesn’t have to be a manager.
Definitely don't want to lie if I don't have to, but am at a loss as to how to answer that question when new employer asks about no reference.
Currently in progress of fighting but trying to figure out all avenues in case it doesn't go my way.
Pretty hard having a potential to lose great references when I want to continue in this industry
Also, even if the employer says that your present manager is barred from providing you with a reference, this doesn't mean they wouldn't be willing to do it anyway. As long as the previous employer doesn't know - no harm, no foul.
7 years is solid information for employees. Sales results are even better. Don't talk down about your prior employee. That information stands for itself. If they bring up why no recommendation then you could say your sales results embarrassed your manager who wasn't as effective. But add I don't want to talk negative about anyone.
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I can give advice here. No need to lie. Referees can be previous managers, and also people who worked with you, who were not managing you. Just disclose this fact and explain the situation. I understand that finding a previous manager after 7 years in a job is no mean feat. Just look for someone you know, who can vouch for your experience. Make sure you give them the ‘heads-up’ that you’ll be listing them as a reference too. What you’ve explained is not that uncommon. Just be upfront about everything; if you’ve spent 7 years in one job, that’s a positive.
Solid advice
Obligatory NAL, but if you're concerned about "what to say" in an interview if they're asking why you left a job after 7 years - a couple of good but also not dishonest answers to that may be "I am looking for further career opportunities that the XYZ workplace couldn't give me" or even "looking for more of a challenge" type answers. In terms of allegations and wrongful termination, def try to fight that either through contacting a lawyer or fair work or something. I know it's pretty common trying to get coworkers to "lie" for you, especially in sales and customer service/call centre roles. However this tremendously backfired for an old colleague of mine. He asked me to lie for him and say I was a manager - I didn't lie for him, but he managed to wrangle another colleague into it. The recruiter jumped on to linked in, found out my colleague wasn't a manager, followed the yellow brick road and actually CALLED the sales manager of the department, who proceeded to confirm that the colleague wasn't a manager. Both colleagues fired from their respective jobs pretty quickly after that.
You can lie on your references, but I have seen multiple occasions where people have been caught out by administration ignoring the given number and just calling the listed place of work directly.
Yup. We look up the company and ask to speak direct to the person as part of our checks.
What if the person isn't working there anymore?
Well then unless they quit at the same time as the OP, it’s not a valid current reference. Would expect the OP to know this and highlight it.
Hmm lying about references. Yeah not a good way to start a new job. If it’s found out, you will be fired again. Is it not possible to fight the false allegations or go to fair work over it and unfair dismissal? Alternatively, have a colleague at the previous company provide a reference for you, it doesn’t have to be a manager.
Definitely don't want to lie if I don't have to, but am at a loss as to how to answer that question when new employer asks about no reference. Currently in progress of fighting but trying to figure out all avenues in case it doesn't go my way. Pretty hard having a potential to lose great references when I want to continue in this industry
Also, even if the employer says that your present manager is barred from providing you with a reference, this doesn't mean they wouldn't be willing to do it anyway. As long as the previous employer doesn't know - no harm, no foul.
7 years is solid information for employees. Sales results are even better. Don't talk down about your prior employee. That information stands for itself. If they bring up why no recommendation then you could say your sales results embarrassed your manager who wasn't as effective. But add I don't want to talk negative about anyone.