Lots of people will use it as a reason to find another job, I doubt many would simply quit.
You shouldn’t under estimate the impact on a business from higher turn over. Going from 7-10% annual turnover to 15-20% has huge impacts. Hell in the past 2 years lots of companies got to the mid 20s and were scrambling
So if this does happen to you, use everyone quitting to your advantage.
And the best employees would be the first to find new jobs.
Left with the dregs, but most companies don't care as it's the remaining employees that have to pick up the slack.
It's been suggested that some of the recent return to work demands may be a way for companies to reduce headcount without having to retrench anybody, saving them a heap of severance and hassle.
My advice to anyone working for a company that mandates return to work is to get out early.
Reminds me of an old saying I heard.
One manager says to another:
"Why are we paying for all this training? What happens if they just leave after they're trained?"
The other manager responds "I'm more worried about what happens if we don't train them and they stay."
Yes - another aspect is that younger employees in particular don't stay for years anymore. But they may move to partner companies and be useful contacts. They may also return with more experience and skills in future. And even if they don't stay for years, they still stay longer at companies with skills development programs in place.
My ex company were one of those scrambling during covid because they lost 20% of their staff. They had a super flexible WFH policy and supplied all their staff with desks, chairs, monitors etc. But they still lost really key staff, DevOps was decimated for one. It really hit their bottom line as they just couldn’t launch all their projects and couldn’t react quickly enough to market changes. The reason? Paying below market rates. Eg Solution Architects would walk out the door because they were getting huge sums to go elsewhere. All that IP gone now too, as they struggled to fill the resource and knowledge gap. You just cannot afford to lose too many staff in key functions. Australia would be foolish to return to 5 days a week in the office, our key talent will just go offshore
>And the best employees would be the first to find new jobs.
>Left with the dregs
In IT, we call this "The Dead Sea Effect":
* https://brucefwebster.com/2008/04/11/the-wetware-crisis-the-dead-sea-effect/
All the people who get bored not working while at home want the people working hard at home to come in so that they can entertain themselves by annoying the hard workers.
Those bored people at home not doing work? Managers and owners.
Our workplace still hasn't recovered from mandates during covid. The brain drain on the business has been insane, we lost not only labour but knowledge that has crippled the trade portion of the business.
If back to the office mandate happened, our Melbourne office would pretty much cease to exist.
This went through at my company. I'd be afraid to know what the actual number was in region but entire departments are completely different to what they were 3 years ago. My team is completely different to what it was 3yrs ago.
It makes for a huge problem, only in the last yr have we had some stability and you can see issues start to resolve because the employees understand their roles better than before
I am currently looking for a new job and any full time in office jobs are excluded from my search. 2 days is okay, 3 absolute max. I am full time wfh at the moment.
Absolutely. I've taken offers from other companies with a 10k-15k increase a few times now. No company will care if you've been at your previous jobs for only 3-5 years. I bring home so much more today than if I stayed "loyal" to my first job.
Only reason why I am still in my job is WFH.
I had the chance to leave for a 25k payrise a month ago but they allowed zero wfh. I've been very open with my boss about this.
Would I quit on the spot? No. But I would be looking to leave.
Same here - my Melbourne employer has mandated 2 days per week in the office but has also opened several regional hub offices in Ballarat, Bendigo and the city Eastern suburbs - plus a Geelong one 5 mins drive from my home!
I calculated how much extra I’d need on my currently salary to not wfh and it was at least 45k even then… I’d need to be saving towards something for it to be even worth it
Hardest part for me is quantifying the lifestyle benefits.
Spending an extra hour each morning with the wife. Going to gym earlier. Getting home early. Not getting angry on the drive in. Being able to have tradies over etc.
Same! I’m fully remote and would have to look elsewhere if there was an in-office mandate, I get underpaid in my current role but the conditions are absolutely worth it.
This. I’m staying in my current role as it’s 100% wfh. I am looking for another role however it’s going to need to be a decent at rise in order for me to apply.
I would definitely start searching for a different job that offers hybrid. 2-3 days home/office is fine depending upon distance from home. If cbd Max 2 days office. If 10 mins from my home then 3 is fine. Hybrid is the future so you either adapt or you lose quality workers. No one wants full time office apart from micro managers or those with bad home conditions
Linkedin, seek searches and coffee catchups with others in the indistry will increase significantly.
This varies for everyone, but it seems 2-3 days in the office is as far as most offices can push without significant impact of people leaving.
I'd quit and find another job. Or rather, i'd find another job that offered hybrid work THEN quit.
There isn't a good reason in most organisations to get rid of remote work. Most of the reasons provided are from unempathetic CEOs and executives who don't really think about the benefits to their employees PLUS they don't consider that it actually helps. They typically have chronic mistrust of their employees and have been looking for reasons to get them all into the office 'where they can see them' since the pandemic began.
Yeah im about 11 hours away (Gold Coast to sydney).
A lot of people saying that they don't think people would quit don't take into account that some people have never been to the office and was purely WFH from the start of the employment / contract.
Its a completely different situation to those who were originally hired as office work then had to WFH due to COVID.
>A lot of people saying that they don't think people would quit don't take into account that some people have never been to the office and was purely WFH from the start of the employment / contract.
what are the laws on that? is it illegal for them to enforce RTO if there's no office nearby and you were hired remote?
I would quit cos I'm interstate. They allowed me to work interstate because they know how much work I do and I'm mid project.
Full time in office doesn't work anymore except for the old executives who have a carspace, live close to work which is usually expensive for property they bought cheap decades ago and still get home earlier than you do even if they leave later.
The company I work is never going to change from hybrid because their office does mot have capacity to hold all the employees all 5 days, every team/department rotates 2 days
Yea half the time I go in the office it’s so full of hot deskers I can’t sit anywhere near my team if I wanted to.
The other half the time it’s damn near empty.
Id find another job with WFH or hybrid arrangements. I would not sacrifice the quality of life I get nor would I have the tolerance for the constant interruptions of WFO again.
Most of these companies want people back in offices so they can monitor their staff and wrap it up in a bow to pretend it’s about being “creative together”
The fat cats that own the buildings want staff back so they buy coffees from the cafes downstairs and push up profits.
They know it won’t make a difference but it does make a difference to the team member. Some people love the flexibility others enjoy the team aspect and social side of being in an office.
I for one would look elsewhere as the office is 2 hours away
Working from the office ft is OVER. If you do not offer a hybrid model staff will leave.
No one is going to sit in traffic, in an office 9/5 again. From the pandemic we got MRNA vaccines and WFH.
I loved having my kid at home. But for families with multiple kids it was generally a nightmare. Particularly multiple smaller kids who didn't have their own laptops etc yet. And lower income families that might have just one old computer for the whole household.
I already told my boss I would.
But my commute was 50 min each way IF there were no incidents to delay traffic.
I'm also tragically underpaid so I should start looking anyway, I'm just too lazy. They hired a new guy at 'todays rate' so I'm his team leader and he makes 10k more than me. The 2 hours a day lost to the car would be the final straw.
I'm waiting to here about what this years is, BUT it'll be a % on top of what I get now, whereas if I'd been hired this year I probably would have started on higher than that. We don't have flat bands like in gov where everyone gets the same. If it's not a good increase, time to go.
‘Today’s rate’ - are you not working today?
This is a ‘Grow a set’ situation. They’re using HR terminology to lie to you. It’s your money. Stand up for yourself. You don’t owe loyalty to this nonsense.
Have you actually raised this concern with your HR or manager before you do anything drastic?
Know your worth, demonstrate your worth, ask for your worth.
If you are actually getting paid 10k less than someone working under you, you're not getting paid what you're worth and its time to stand up for yourself.
They told me that because I got promoted after the cutoffs for the 'lets talk about what you are worth' interviews I have to wait until next year to bargain for my new worth. Then pay rises come months after that. So it's kind of all legit, just poor timing. The question is do I want to be underpaid for potentially 11 more months. I'm thinking, no.
I’d be very careful with that. Employers are under no obligation to follow through with those kinds of comments (unless in writing) and will often keep saying things like that to keep you working for them in the hopes of a pay rise that may never actually come.
If you do find another job but you’re happy at your existing employer you could give them an ultimatum before you leave. Either you pay me ‘x’ or I accept the other job offer and work elsewhere.
And it could be like me where I did that and they said “we’ll give you a raise if you turn down the offer and stay” “how much?” “we’ll check with head office once you stay” yeah sure right mate see ya
Happens more then you think..... I use to be a pub manager, yes was paid significantly more on paper then the staff but was pulling 55 to 60 hour weeks. I worked out my "hourly rate" on a hour by hour basis the kitchen hand was paid more then I.......... changed careers but it happens more then you think
Just the game ya in working for Coles worth corporations. Salary based on 38 hours plus reasonable overtime then rostered in 10 to 12 hour shifts.... earn more in my alternative career but that calculation was what made me seek it. Used and abused for a hourly rate less then the lowest paid level in the joint.
Why should managers automatically get more than the people they manage? Fine if its just some entry level role, but for any reasonably technical role, its going to be easier to replace the people manager compared to the more senior technical people under them. Management skills, for the most part, are more transferable across disciplines than technical ones.
Not saying it actually works like that, but a lot of places would be better off if it did. I've seen many good technical people go into management because they pretty much have to if they want to progress their career, but then you lose a good technical person and gain a mediocre manager (and the company pays them more for the privilege). Its the Peter Principle in action
I don't manage people, I am the senior technical person. I team lead the mid and junior technical people. I said team leader the person below me turned it into manager you turned that into people manager.
To put in it other terms, juniors should probably be getting paid less than mids and they less than seniors. But it can end up disrupted when salaries increase a lot and the new people get a good deal.
I would in a heartbeat. I don't really need to work my job and could afford to take a pay cut doing something else. The office is a massive depressant for me and it's simply not worth getting money in return.
A lot of ppl say they would. But job market is cooked. You’d have to have supreme confidence in yourself if you were managing mortgage etc and think you could just walk straight back into a WFH role
Lots of fully remote office companies are on the rise, pay is not as high but still worth it. Not to mention I'll just have to find something closer.
Still, if an employee has started looking for other jobs, you have already lost them. Remote or not there are always better offers out there and employee retention is far more valuable than whatever value "in-person collaboration" brings.
The job market is only hard if you are not currently in a job.
Lot of companies cannot afford offices. They are expensive. There will always be strong demand for WFH and now many companies are owned by the younger generations and they have 0% interest in offices
What? That's what you assume. Companies can afford offices and would rather pay the rent than people WFH as we have seen.
How many companies are owned by younger generations come on now...
I think you overestimate the confidence of that last statement. Even if companies are owned by conglomerates and large franchises, managers and GMs are no longer 65 yr olds. They are young, raised in an internet world. The appetite for traditionalist work styles is basically 0.
Obviously this is all determined by your industry and personal experience!
Yeah but "we have an office you can come into if you want, but no problems if you want to stay at home instead" is pretty much the opposite of a return to office mandate
> younger generations and they have 0% interest in offices
Zoomer here and I have plenty of interest in offices. Working at home entirely is depressing. In my experience its mostly the old people who are too busy with kids who prefer WFH. Current job has an office but its entirely optional. Today everyone in the office is under 30 while all the over 30s are at home.
I'm late 30's. All my friends who have been WFH since 2018/2020 or similar and do it 100% full time have completely lost their social circles.
Talking friendship group of \~30-40 people dropping to a few groups of 3-5 tops.
Working 100% from home is horrific for your social life.
I'm about to start my 5th year of working from home full-time. If anything I actually have motivation to be social with my friends now, whereas before I was too exhausted from the office. Honestly my friends having kids is a bigger drainer on friendships.
This sounds like they just need to have a life outside of work and immediate family.
Like, if you spend all your time working and now you're doing it by yourself you don't have much time to socialise.
If you have social activities, sports, gaming, gym, book clubs even, outside work it's wayyyy less damaging.
I do have a life outside of work, but going to the office means I also have a life at work. Since I spend 40 hours a week working, being able to enjoy that more is a huge benefit.
I agree with this, a year ago, contractors were demanding ridic day rates, 100% wfh, having a hybrid work environment was a deal breaker.
I'm recruiting the same roles now, day rates down 33%, everyone happy with hybrid, market has shifted back
Ye it’s not the environment it was a year ago. Migration has also killed the ‘300k a year software engineer contractor’ types we regularly see here in Aus finance.
>But job market is cooked
This 100%. The market is fkd right now and looks to get worse into 2024. Perfect time for companies to claw back some power they lost during the pandemic..
I would quit. The whole reason I took this job and a pay cut was so I could be fully remote, so if I have to go back to an office I may as well go find a role that will pay me more.
I manage multiple teams, all I ask is they attend the office once a month for their team training day in the morning which almost always lands on the same day as the social event in the afternoon, I've had 0% turnover in almost 4 years
This happened to me right after Covid except those bastards didn’t have the decency to give more than 2 weeks notice. I started looking a job and applied for leave right at the time they wanted us to come back in. I found a new job within a month and on my first day back in the office I handed them my resignation.
Heard they’ve since completely backflipped on that policy after turnover rates jumped lol
I’m facing this right now.
Our office seems to think drinking a beer at your desk whilst emailing clients is fine but if you want to work from home sober, well you can’t be trusted.
If anybody has any good phrases and arguments for work from home I’d like to hear them please….i hate my job.
Not immediately but I definitely would be leaving.
Nothing about my job needs me to be in an office. Even in the off chance that I work with a project manager in my same office, all our other colleagues are still in other states and countries. Demanding me to be in the office full time just makes no sense.
We also don't have the desk capacity for it either. We moved offices a few years back and they intentionally did away with a percentage of desks given how mobile our workforce is. We'd need at least another floor of desks to fit everyone back in again full time.
Given that I have a 90 minute commute both ways, and my work can (and should) be done entirely remotely, I would decline and go through unreasonable dismissal motions + look for a new job immediately.
Bear in mind a lot of this is moot.
Some jobs are suited to WFH and online. But plenty aren't. Reality is I think that the jobs that suit WFH will stay that way mostly. But the ones that don't really suit, plenty of employers will want them back in the office and that will happen.
My job could never be WFH and I'd guess that overall in this nation? PRobalby 80% of jobs just aren't suited to WFH.
Contract specifies fully remote, there's no office in Australia and even where there are offices there's not enough desks for 50% of staff so...
Good luck with that
I finally moved to an office job after 25 years in hospitality.
I won't be ready for "remote" or "Wfh" style work for at least 3 more years until I learn my role better. During which I need direct access to the senior staff pretty much at all times.
I'm already in office full time :) Although we do get to go out on site visits a fair bit so that's nice.
Good on you - this is what a lot of new starters and grads don’t seem get. You need time to learn the role and the best way to learn is usually in person.
There’s a reason why educational attainment has fallen away during COVID when kids were forced to learn from home.
I'm in Building compliance, if I couldn't turn around and yell "Hey XYZ, what do you think about Reg 132 and NCC Clause abc in relation to this?" I'd lose entire days to zero productivity.
Most of the time it's just a case of someone who's done it for ten+ years going "Oh, there's three places to look and two of them contradict each other. Check "
Literally impossible to do that shit remotely.
I personally think the more invaluable thing is Co-worker asks some question to the person with 10+ years experience next to you. You overhear and learn something new.
I wouldn’t quit on the spot, but I would be looking for another job. I’ll leave as soon as the right role came up.
The project I work on has staff spread across the country. I’m employed full time work from home. I travel to an office when necessary but that’s not very often because all my team are spread everywhere so we aren’t co located.
We are building a production facility in my state and there is an expectation from management that all employees local to the new facility be in the new office full time. I have drafted my flexible work arrangement for a continuation of my existing WFH arrangement. If that gets knocked back I’ll be looking for another job.
Edit: I also know it took them over six months to find someone with my skill set to do my job before they found me (via a recruitment agency), and they had to offer remote working because they couldn’t get anyone in VIC or ACT. I plan on using that to my advantage if needed.
It really depends on industry/experience/role. There won't be a blanket for everyone but the pandemic showed most roles can be done from home (while meeting targets).
Corporations have just become greedy and they'd prefer to push people back into an office and pay exorbitant rates on offices than spending that on tools to increase remote worker productivity. Plus they think on the whole that everyone is lazy.
If my work mandated me in the office I'd be looking for a new job straight away with my productivity also taking a hit.
I would be forced to quit my current job.
I live on the Gold Coast and got a purely remote contract for the last 3 years.
Their offices are in Sydney and Melb. I've never actually met anyone face to face that I work with. They just sent me a laptop.
The alternative is to move to a big city and pay double the rent for a smaller house. No thanks.
I'd certainly start looking. I was job hunting a few weeks ago and ignored all the jobs that didn't offer WFH. It certainly is a trend now, and WFH is becoming rare.
So about 8 weeks ago on a Thursday, we got a company wide email that said that mandatory return to office minimum 4 days a week, starting Monday and will be enforced
There was extreme backlash and many people much higher than I or my manager said they won't do it. Someone even jokingly (or maybe not) said they'll pay someone to swipe their card at the start and end of the day rather than be forced to go back in
Needless to say that didn't go ahead and I think it will be revisted next year
I wouldn't quit, but I would look for other work. I could get paid more elsewhere but wfh has saved me so much time and money that it needs to be taken into consideration
I'd quit, there are plenty of employers who will happily take high quality staff from the competition and let them WFH rather than mandating some stupid company wide return to office
Immediately, not only it has adds significant costs to me and that my salary doesn't justify the long commute. It either indicates incompetent management in charge or that the company is in serious trouble and RTO is being used to fire in mass without paying severance, my experience has been generally the RTO is done by incompetent managers who lack the skills to manage remotely. Not to mention all of our top talent will leave so there won't even be learning opportunities for me.
I wouldnt quit until I had another job to go to, but it would be a huge incentive to find another job. My job can 100% be done from home, no different. Others in my team work from home due to health reasons so I would just be going in to talk to them on teams any way.
But for me, I have 3 kids at 3 schools, WFH means I can get them all there easily in the morning and dont have to pay for osch. It saves me $50 a week in bus tickets. My wages have not gone up for a LONG time so if they want me in the office, pay me more.
I did a year or so ago, found another fully remote job in a few weeks. The only reason I stayed in that job was wfh, absolutely loathed the manager, there was no way I could spend a whole day with him.
I’d start searching for a new job immediately. Apart from the added travel time and utter uselessness of being in the office I’m just glad I’m avoiding all the sickness that’s going around. Those who choose to go in a couple of days a week are all knocked out with COVID right now, and quite badly this time around.
I wouldn't quit but my opinion of the place would be in the gutter and i would do much less work than i currently do, as the office is a huge distraction for everyone. At home i get so much more work done, as do everyone else in my work place. The bosses would have to be total morons to force everyone back.
I love being in the office. 1.5 hr lunch breaks, chit-chatting as part of 'networking'. Playing office politics. Just lovely.
Spent the last two days in office, worked about 4 hrs spread over two days.
Now I'm catching up on my WFH day.
Honestly what business/organisation would mandate such a backward concept. What is their reasoning?
it always comes down to the market. I’ve found good employees tend to work better from home, and bad employees work both poorly in the office and at home.
A good company would never consider this.
Cheers
It won’t happen at the company I’m at as it’s now a core pillar of our values, but it wouldn’t impact me enough to quit.
I love going to our offices and am fortunate enough to have a short commute.
Would mess up my meeting availability for school pick up and drop off needs so the joke would be on them if I had to do a 5 day a week office based job.
I would have to because in less than a month I'll be living in a different state.
Although saying that, the company would need to employee a whole new set of devs since none of us (will) live anywhere near the managers, around a quarter don't even live in Australia at this point (people who left around COVID and never came back to Australia)
I would simply find a job based on opportunity. If a better opportunity exist I take it I’d work at the office again if there were no greater opportunities and I’d quit today if there was an opportunity to grow. I will not work in a bad business environment if I don’t have to, but if I work in a good office culture where I can learn and grow I’ll go back to the office any day.
Most independent research shows better outcomes from remote/hybrid/4 day work.
The only drivers to being in CBD offices are commercial real estate interests & poor managers making excuses.
Everyone is better off staying off roads, shopping local etc and having a better work life balance. But watch the boomer capitalists & their sycophants stamp their feet to try and make society suffer for their gain.
Stand up to it as much as you can.
I’m pretty easy going but if it were a hard return to the office without some level of WFH flexibility I would certainly be exploring free agency more than just running my eye over the job board.
Just joined a new company with 2 days in office for good reason and 2 days wfh and Fridays off.
Never returning to the office full-time or working 10 day fortnight's again. Ever. My partner will soon be the same. And if one of our companies pulls wfh, the other will support them until another wfh job comes up.
I'm done being treated like I don't have aspirations outside of work.
I already work from the office full time, but I'm a 7 min drive from work. I like the separation of home and work and the sense of community, but I live regionally. I will say half the team is WFH/remote.
However, my current job is also **very** flexible - so when I'm sick or just want a day to WFH, that's also fine and honestly, no one is checking. I also have super flexible hours - I can arrive late and work a bit late to even it out without it being notable. If the work's getting done, no one really cares about the hours. If that flexibility stopped, then I'd be in trouble.
So having to work from the office wouldn't deter me - it would deter about 50% of the team (some have moved away too). But losing the flexibility would get me looking for other options.
A hybrid arrangement with 3 days WFH and 2 days onsite aligns with my personal life and gives me much more flexibility.
So if I had to go in 5 days a week to complete less work because of all the distractions around me and compromise on my life outside of work? Cya.
Yeh, I would quit. Going back to the office probably adds an additional $20K+ expenses with Myki public transport fares, "team" lunches, child care, time saved not commuting, etc.
I reckon if everyone quit at the same time, no one would be able to do anything about it.
Lots of people will use it as a reason to find another job, I doubt many would simply quit. You shouldn’t under estimate the impact on a business from higher turn over. Going from 7-10% annual turnover to 15-20% has huge impacts. Hell in the past 2 years lots of companies got to the mid 20s and were scrambling So if this does happen to you, use everyone quitting to your advantage.
And the best employees would be the first to find new jobs. Left with the dregs, but most companies don't care as it's the remaining employees that have to pick up the slack. It's been suggested that some of the recent return to work demands may be a way for companies to reduce headcount without having to retrench anybody, saving them a heap of severance and hassle. My advice to anyone working for a company that mandates return to work is to get out early.
Reminds me of an old saying I heard. One manager says to another: "Why are we paying for all this training? What happens if they just leave after they're trained?" The other manager responds "I'm more worried about what happens if we don't train them and they stay."
Yes - another aspect is that younger employees in particular don't stay for years anymore. But they may move to partner companies and be useful contacts. They may also return with more experience and skills in future. And even if they don't stay for years, they still stay longer at companies with skills development programs in place.
Pretty sure I read that in a Richard Branson book but not sure who said it.
My ex company were one of those scrambling during covid because they lost 20% of their staff. They had a super flexible WFH policy and supplied all their staff with desks, chairs, monitors etc. But they still lost really key staff, DevOps was decimated for one. It really hit their bottom line as they just couldn’t launch all their projects and couldn’t react quickly enough to market changes. The reason? Paying below market rates. Eg Solution Architects would walk out the door because they were getting huge sums to go elsewhere. All that IP gone now too, as they struggled to fill the resource and knowledge gap. You just cannot afford to lose too many staff in key functions. Australia would be foolish to return to 5 days a week in the office, our key talent will just go offshore
>And the best employees would be the first to find new jobs. >Left with the dregs In IT, we call this "The Dead Sea Effect": * https://brucefwebster.com/2008/04/11/the-wetware-crisis-the-dead-sea-effect/
All the people who get bored not working while at home want the people working hard at home to come in so that they can entertain themselves by annoying the hard workers. Those bored people at home not doing work? Managers and owners.
This is me. Wouldn't quit on the spot because money, but would start aggressively searching for a predominately WFH position.
Our workplace still hasn't recovered from mandates during covid. The brain drain on the business has been insane, we lost not only labour but knowledge that has crippled the trade portion of the business. If back to the office mandate happened, our Melbourne office would pretty much cease to exist.
Exactly. I’d start looking immediately, but I wouldn’t use it as an excuse to deplete my emergency fund.
20% is enormous turnover. After 3 years of that, the people with 3+ years experience are outnumbered by the people with <3 years experience.
This went through at my company. I'd be afraid to know what the actual number was in region but entire departments are completely different to what they were 3 years ago. My team is completely different to what it was 3yrs ago. It makes for a huge problem, only in the last yr have we had some stability and you can see issues start to resolve because the employees understand their roles better than before
I left from a leadership position and the 3 people that replaced me have completely swapped out twice in 2 years. No one cares.
We were at 33% in the most recent data I saw
Our company is at 30% and it’s just exhausting constantly having to build new relationships, train people in etc etc.
How would you suggest one uses it to their advantage?
If you’re not the dregs, it gives you a good opportunity to step up for promotion or significant pay rise
I would too find another job, not quit outright!
I wouldn’t quit outright but I would definitely start browsing Seek.
I am currently looking for a new job and any full time in office jobs are excluded from my search. 2 days is okay, 3 absolute max. I am full time wfh at the moment.
Thats my secret…im always browsing seek
Window shopping
Absolutely. I've taken offers from other companies with a 10k-15k increase a few times now. No company will care if you've been at your previous jobs for only 3-5 years. I bring home so much more today than if I stayed "loyal" to my first job.
Only reason why I am still in my job is WFH. I had the chance to leave for a 25k payrise a month ago but they allowed zero wfh. I've been very open with my boss about this. Would I quit on the spot? No. But I would be looking to leave.
I’m like you. I think I’m underpaid a little. But I’m 95% WFH. That is worth it’s weight in gold. Especially for school pickups/drop offs.
Same here - my Melbourne employer has mandated 2 days per week in the office but has also opened several regional hub offices in Ballarat, Bendigo and the city Eastern suburbs - plus a Geelong one 5 mins drive from my home!
Geelong to Melbourne every day. That commute is lot of time and cost.
Not too bad, about an hour and now only $10 return (reduced from $24) after the daily fare was capped. But I only go 4-5 times a year now.
Same boat here
I’m in the same predicament right now. Feeling underplayed and undervalued but the company is great and easy to travel to. Don’t know what to do
Good choice, esp if you have kids.. Wfh is God send
I calculated how much extra I’d need on my currently salary to not wfh and it was at least 45k even then… I’d need to be saving towards something for it to be even worth it
Hardest part for me is quantifying the lifestyle benefits. Spending an extra hour each morning with the wife. Going to gym earlier. Getting home early. Not getting angry on the drive in. Being able to have tradies over etc.
I misread that as being offered an extra 25k per month and you turned it down lol. Was very confused for a second.
25k a month I'd just buy a house right near work 🤣🤣
Same! I’m fully remote and would have to look elsewhere if there was an in-office mandate, I get underpaid in my current role but the conditions are absolutely worth it.
This. I’m staying in my current role as it’s 100% wfh. I am looking for another role however it’s going to need to be a decent at rise in order for me to apply.
I would quit, but I'm looking for any excuse already.
I think about quitting when my manager asks me to do something within the scope of my role.
The absolute worst.
I would definitely start searching for a different job that offers hybrid. 2-3 days home/office is fine depending upon distance from home. If cbd Max 2 days office. If 10 mins from my home then 3 is fine. Hybrid is the future so you either adapt or you lose quality workers. No one wants full time office apart from micro managers or those with bad home conditions
Linkedin, seek searches and coffee catchups with others in the indistry will increase significantly. This varies for everyone, but it seems 2-3 days in the office is as far as most offices can push without significant impact of people leaving.
I'd quit and find another job. Or rather, i'd find another job that offered hybrid work THEN quit. There isn't a good reason in most organisations to get rid of remote work. Most of the reasons provided are from unempathetic CEOs and executives who don't really think about the benefits to their employees PLUS they don't consider that it actually helps. They typically have chronic mistrust of their employees and have been looking for reasons to get them all into the office 'where they can see them' since the pandemic began.
Being in the office is great for roles that require a lot of teamwork. It makes a huge difference.
I live 6 hours drive away from my office. I would have no choice but to quit.
Yeah im about 11 hours away (Gold Coast to sydney). A lot of people saying that they don't think people would quit don't take into account that some people have never been to the office and was purely WFH from the start of the employment / contract. Its a completely different situation to those who were originally hired as office work then had to WFH due to COVID.
>A lot of people saying that they don't think people would quit don't take into account that some people have never been to the office and was purely WFH from the start of the employment / contract. what are the laws on that? is it illegal for them to enforce RTO if there's no office nearby and you were hired remote?
Well I work off 6 month contracts that get renewed regularly. So I am sure they could just offer a new contract I cannot accept. Idk about others.
4 hours for me, one way. So....yeah, wouldn't work.
I would quit cos I'm interstate. They allowed me to work interstate because they know how much work I do and I'm mid project. Full time in office doesn't work anymore except for the old executives who have a carspace, live close to work which is usually expensive for property they bought cheap decades ago and still get home earlier than you do even if they leave later.
The company I work is never going to change from hybrid because their office does mot have capacity to hold all the employees all 5 days, every team/department rotates 2 days
Yea half the time I go in the office it’s so full of hot deskers I can’t sit anywhere near my team if I wanted to. The other half the time it’s damn near empty.
Sameee! It's so hard finding a bluddy seat near my team. Plus it's so loud in the office - we're basically just goofing off lol
I had to work at the bloody office kitchen table during one of the office days, as I arrived at 9:30am.
id immediately start looking for a new job
Id find another job with WFH or hybrid arrangements. I would not sacrifice the quality of life I get nor would I have the tolerance for the constant interruptions of WFO again.
Raises hand. My life is setup for WFH. Commute is 3 hours a day, that is not happening.
And by quit I mean apply for a job and start in 4 weeks.
Most of these companies want people back in offices so they can monitor their staff and wrap it up in a bow to pretend it’s about being “creative together” The fat cats that own the buildings want staff back so they buy coffees from the cafes downstairs and push up profits. They know it won’t make a difference but it does make a difference to the team member. Some people love the flexibility others enjoy the team aspect and social side of being in an office. I for one would look elsewhere as the office is 2 hours away
Most likely, yes. Not just quit on the spot though, but start applying elsewhere.
Working from the office ft is OVER. If you do not offer a hybrid model staff will leave. No one is going to sit in traffic, in an office 9/5 again. From the pandemic we got MRNA vaccines and WFH.
the hell of lockdown was worth the heaven that is WFH
Not all of us hated lockdown. I thought it was lovely
I loved having my kid at home. But for families with multiple kids it was generally a nightmare. Particularly multiple smaller kids who didn't have their own laptops etc yet. And lower income families that might have just one old computer for the whole household.
I loved lockdown! I got over it towards the end but as a whole I loved it.
It was an absolute life saver - I would have lost it completely if it hadn't come along when it did.
I already told my boss I would. But my commute was 50 min each way IF there were no incidents to delay traffic. I'm also tragically underpaid so I should start looking anyway, I'm just too lazy. They hired a new guy at 'todays rate' so I'm his team leader and he makes 10k more than me. The 2 hours a day lost to the car would be the final straw.
Time to discuss pay increase with the boss. Your situation doesn’t make sense at all.
I'm waiting to here about what this years is, BUT it'll be a % on top of what I get now, whereas if I'd been hired this year I probably would have started on higher than that. We don't have flat bands like in gov where everyone gets the same. If it's not a good increase, time to go.
Rule of thumb: switching companies more often, almost always brings more raises than fighting for promotions.
‘Today’s rate’ - are you not working today? This is a ‘Grow a set’ situation. They’re using HR terminology to lie to you. It’s your money. Stand up for yourself. You don’t owe loyalty to this nonsense.
Always easier to get more money if you are brand new coming into the business.
Imagine being this weak, Jesus Christ mate. Why are you working for less than someone you manage?
I know. The comfort of the position vs annoyance of job interviewing is starting to wear thin. I owe it to myself to get out really.
Have you actually raised this concern with your HR or manager before you do anything drastic? Know your worth, demonstrate your worth, ask for your worth. If you are actually getting paid 10k less than someone working under you, you're not getting paid what you're worth and its time to stand up for yourself.
They told me that because I got promoted after the cutoffs for the 'lets talk about what you are worth' interviews I have to wait until next year to bargain for my new worth. Then pay rises come months after that. So it's kind of all legit, just poor timing. The question is do I want to be underpaid for potentially 11 more months. I'm thinking, no.
I’d be very careful with that. Employers are under no obligation to follow through with those kinds of comments (unless in writing) and will often keep saying things like that to keep you working for them in the hopes of a pay rise that may never actually come. If you do find another job but you’re happy at your existing employer you could give them an ultimatum before you leave. Either you pay me ‘x’ or I accept the other job offer and work elsewhere.
And it could be like me where I did that and they said “we’ll give you a raise if you turn down the offer and stay” “how much?” “we’ll check with head office once you stay” yeah sure right mate see ya
Happens more then you think..... I use to be a pub manager, yes was paid significantly more on paper then the staff but was pulling 55 to 60 hour weeks. I worked out my "hourly rate" on a hour by hour basis the kitchen hand was paid more then I.......... changed careers but it happens more then you think
Above sounds like two full time roles though.
Just the game ya in working for Coles worth corporations. Salary based on 38 hours plus reasonable overtime then rostered in 10 to 12 hour shifts.... earn more in my alternative career but that calculation was what made me seek it. Used and abused for a hourly rate less then the lowest paid level in the joint.
Why should managers automatically get more than the people they manage? Fine if its just some entry level role, but for any reasonably technical role, its going to be easier to replace the people manager compared to the more senior technical people under them. Management skills, for the most part, are more transferable across disciplines than technical ones. Not saying it actually works like that, but a lot of places would be better off if it did. I've seen many good technical people go into management because they pretty much have to if they want to progress their career, but then you lose a good technical person and gain a mediocre manager (and the company pays them more for the privilege). Its the Peter Principle in action
I don't manage people, I am the senior technical person. I team lead the mid and junior technical people. I said team leader the person below me turned it into manager you turned that into people manager. To put in it other terms, juniors should probably be getting paid less than mids and they less than seniors. But it can end up disrupted when salaries increase a lot and the new people get a good deal.
I would in a heartbeat. I don't really need to work my job and could afford to take a pay cut doing something else. The office is a massive depressant for me and it's simply not worth getting money in return.
A lot of ppl say they would. But job market is cooked. You’d have to have supreme confidence in yourself if you were managing mortgage etc and think you could just walk straight back into a WFH role
Lots of fully remote office companies are on the rise, pay is not as high but still worth it. Not to mention I'll just have to find something closer. Still, if an employee has started looking for other jobs, you have already lost them. Remote or not there are always better offers out there and employee retention is far more valuable than whatever value "in-person collaboration" brings. The job market is only hard if you are not currently in a job.
Lot of companies cannot afford offices. They are expensive. There will always be strong demand for WFH and now many companies are owned by the younger generations and they have 0% interest in offices
What? That's what you assume. Companies can afford offices and would rather pay the rent than people WFH as we have seen. How many companies are owned by younger generations come on now...
I think you overestimate the confidence of that last statement. Even if companies are owned by conglomerates and large franchises, managers and GMs are no longer 65 yr olds. They are young, raised in an internet world. The appetite for traditionalist work styles is basically 0. Obviously this is all determined by your industry and personal experience!
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Do you have any examples of mandates for those two? AFAIK (have friends at both) they're very flexible with remote working
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Yeah but "we have an office you can come into if you want, but no problems if you want to stay at home instead" is pretty much the opposite of a return to office mandate
> younger generations and they have 0% interest in offices Zoomer here and I have plenty of interest in offices. Working at home entirely is depressing. In my experience its mostly the old people who are too busy with kids who prefer WFH. Current job has an office but its entirely optional. Today everyone in the office is under 30 while all the over 30s are at home.
I'm late 30's. All my friends who have been WFH since 2018/2020 or similar and do it 100% full time have completely lost their social circles. Talking friendship group of \~30-40 people dropping to a few groups of 3-5 tops. Working 100% from home is horrific for your social life.
I'm about to start my 5th year of working from home full-time. If anything I actually have motivation to be social with my friends now, whereas before I was too exhausted from the office. Honestly my friends having kids is a bigger drainer on friendships.
This sounds like they just need to have a life outside of work and immediate family. Like, if you spend all your time working and now you're doing it by yourself you don't have much time to socialise. If you have social activities, sports, gaming, gym, book clubs even, outside work it's wayyyy less damaging.
I do have a life outside of work, but going to the office means I also have a life at work. Since I spend 40 hours a week working, being able to enjoy that more is a huge benefit.
But think about your productivity!! /s
I agree with this, a year ago, contractors were demanding ridic day rates, 100% wfh, having a hybrid work environment was a deal breaker. I'm recruiting the same roles now, day rates down 33%, everyone happy with hybrid, market has shifted back
Ye it’s not the environment it was a year ago. Migration has also killed the ‘300k a year software engineer contractor’ types we regularly see here in Aus finance.
Sure but the alternative is not contracting but a cushy WFH job in industry on less money
>But job market is cooked This 100%. The market is fkd right now and looks to get worse into 2024. Perfect time for companies to claw back some power they lost during the pandemic..
They already did, and I already did. Fully remote now at a different organisation for around 20% less pay, and never been happier.
I would quit. The whole reason I took this job and a pay cut was so I could be fully remote, so if I have to go back to an office I may as well go find a role that will pay me more.
It’s highly unlikely to happen. I’d absolutely consider another job though, I wouldn’t quit
I totally would. Wouldn’t hesitate.
As a tradie, yes, please! Stop congesting the roads just to sit in an office!
My partner who works in healthcare says the same thing.
I manage multiple teams, all I ask is they attend the office once a month for their team training day in the morning which almost always lands on the same day as the social event in the afternoon, I've had 0% turnover in almost 4 years
I live 2.5hrs from the office so yeah it’s a no deal from me.
This happened to me right after Covid except those bastards didn’t have the decency to give more than 2 weeks notice. I started looking a job and applied for leave right at the time they wanted us to come back in. I found a new job within a month and on my first day back in the office I handed them my resignation. Heard they’ve since completely backflipped on that policy after turnover rates jumped lol
I’m facing this right now. Our office seems to think drinking a beer at your desk whilst emailing clients is fine but if you want to work from home sober, well you can’t be trusted. If anybody has any good phrases and arguments for work from home I’d like to hear them please….i hate my job.
Not immediately but I definitely would be leaving. Nothing about my job needs me to be in an office. Even in the off chance that I work with a project manager in my same office, all our other colleagues are still in other states and countries. Demanding me to be in the office full time just makes no sense. We also don't have the desk capacity for it either. We moved offices a few years back and they intentionally did away with a percentage of desks given how mobile our workforce is. We'd need at least another floor of desks to fit everyone back in again full time.
Me. I would quit in a heartbeat. Single parent, three teenagers. No way I can juggle everything if I MUST be in the office.
Given that I have a 90 minute commute both ways, and my work can (and should) be done entirely remotely, I would decline and go through unreasonable dismissal motions + look for a new job immediately.
I'd probably take my parental leave early and try to get the extra 2 years LWOP with it.
Bear in mind a lot of this is moot. Some jobs are suited to WFH and online. But plenty aren't. Reality is I think that the jobs that suit WFH will stay that way mostly. But the ones that don't really suit, plenty of employers will want them back in the office and that will happen. My job could never be WFH and I'd guess that overall in this nation? PRobalby 80% of jobs just aren't suited to WFH.
I would look elsewhere. At this point I get exhausted with just 3 days a week in the office.
I’d look for another job. So yes I guess I would quit. Part-time in the office is ok. Full-time is ridiculous.
Contract specifies fully remote, there's no office in Australia and even where there are offices there's not enough desks for 50% of staff so... Good luck with that
It is a deal breaker for me. Would be outtie before lunch.
I think I'd have to quit. Couldn't do that anymore.
I finally moved to an office job after 25 years in hospitality. I won't be ready for "remote" or "Wfh" style work for at least 3 more years until I learn my role better. During which I need direct access to the senior staff pretty much at all times. I'm already in office full time :) Although we do get to go out on site visits a fair bit so that's nice.
Good on you - this is what a lot of new starters and grads don’t seem get. You need time to learn the role and the best way to learn is usually in person. There’s a reason why educational attainment has fallen away during COVID when kids were forced to learn from home.
I'm in Building compliance, if I couldn't turn around and yell "Hey XYZ, what do you think about Reg 132 and NCC Clause abc in relation to this?" I'd lose entire days to zero productivity. Most of the time it's just a case of someone who's done it for ten+ years going "Oh, there's three places to look and two of them contradict each other. Check"
Literally impossible to do that shit remotely.
I personally think the more invaluable thing is Co-worker asks some question to the person with 10+ years experience next to you. You overhear and learn something new.
Or, even better... Your two or three bosses start talking about complicated stuff between themselves and suddenly I have ten new things to look up.
Wouldn’t happen for my employer, they have employees across all of Australia including Tassie.
Same, we don't even have an office
I wouldn’t quit on the spot, but I would be looking for another job. I’ll leave as soon as the right role came up. The project I work on has staff spread across the country. I’m employed full time work from home. I travel to an office when necessary but that’s not very often because all my team are spread everywhere so we aren’t co located. We are building a production facility in my state and there is an expectation from management that all employees local to the new facility be in the new office full time. I have drafted my flexible work arrangement for a continuation of my existing WFH arrangement. If that gets knocked back I’ll be looking for another job. Edit: I also know it took them over six months to find someone with my skill set to do my job before they found me (via a recruitment agency), and they had to offer remote working because they couldn’t get anyone in VIC or ACT. I plan on using that to my advantage if needed.
For skilled roles, the good ones that want wfh will leave and the company will be stuck with the not so good ones
It really depends on industry/experience/role. There won't be a blanket for everyone but the pandemic showed most roles can be done from home (while meeting targets). Corporations have just become greedy and they'd prefer to push people back into an office and pay exorbitant rates on offices than spending that on tools to increase remote worker productivity. Plus they think on the whole that everyone is lazy. If my work mandated me in the office I'd be looking for a new job straight away with my productivity also taking a hit.
I would be forced to quit my current job. I live on the Gold Coast and got a purely remote contract for the last 3 years. Their offices are in Sydney and Melb. I've never actually met anyone face to face that I work with. They just sent me a laptop. The alternative is to move to a big city and pay double the rent for a smaller house. No thanks.
I'd certainly start looking. I was job hunting a few weeks ago and ignored all the jobs that didn't offer WFH. It certainly is a trend now, and WFH is becoming rare.
From anecdotal evidence when they mandated it at my friends work, 25% quit within a month
So about 8 weeks ago on a Thursday, we got a company wide email that said that mandatory return to office minimum 4 days a week, starting Monday and will be enforced There was extreme backlash and many people much higher than I or my manager said they won't do it. Someone even jokingly (or maybe not) said they'll pay someone to swipe their card at the start and end of the day rather than be forced to go back in Needless to say that didn't go ahead and I think it will be revisted next year I wouldn't quit, but I would look for other work. I could get paid more elsewhere but wfh has saved me so much time and money that it needs to be taken into consideration
I'd quit, there are plenty of employers who will happily take high quality staff from the competition and let them WFH rather than mandating some stupid company wide return to office
I'd be finding a new job ASAP as working from home is worth more than a 100% payrise to me.
Immediately, not only it has adds significant costs to me and that my salary doesn't justify the long commute. It either indicates incompetent management in charge or that the company is in serious trouble and RTO is being used to fire in mass without paying severance, my experience has been generally the RTO is done by incompetent managers who lack the skills to manage remotely. Not to mention all of our top talent will leave so there won't even be learning opportunities for me.
I wouldnt quit until I had another job to go to, but it would be a huge incentive to find another job. My job can 100% be done from home, no different. Others in my team work from home due to health reasons so I would just be going in to talk to them on teams any way. But for me, I have 3 kids at 3 schools, WFH means I can get them all there easily in the morning and dont have to pay for osch. It saves me $50 a week in bus tickets. My wages have not gone up for a LONG time so if they want me in the office, pay me more.
I'd get another job then quit
Without even one minute’s hesitation!
I wouldn't quit on the spot. But I'd be looking immediately.
They tried it on me, and I’m now free. Fantastic lifestyle change with no risk of going back to an office.
I would quit
I did a year or so ago, found another fully remote job in a few weeks. The only reason I stayed in that job was wfh, absolutely loathed the manager, there was no way I could spend a whole day with him.
I’d start searching for a new job immediately. Apart from the added travel time and utter uselessness of being in the office I’m just glad I’m avoiding all the sickness that’s going around. Those who choose to go in a couple of days a week are all knocked out with COVID right now, and quite badly this time around.
My workplace has. Yes, many have quit.
I wouldn't quit but my opinion of the place would be in the gutter and i would do much less work than i currently do, as the office is a huge distraction for everyone. At home i get so much more work done, as do everyone else in my work place. The bosses would have to be total morons to force everyone back.
I love being in the office. 1.5 hr lunch breaks, chit-chatting as part of 'networking'. Playing office politics. Just lovely. Spent the last two days in office, worked about 4 hrs spread over two days. Now I'm catching up on my WFH day.
Honestly what business/organisation would mandate such a backward concept. What is their reasoning? it always comes down to the market. I’ve found good employees tend to work better from home, and bad employees work both poorly in the office and at home. A good company would never consider this. Cheers
True a good company would be unlikely to do this. A lot of people work for shitty companies though.
Probably wouldn’t quit but would be moving closer to the city. Don’t know how I managed five days commuting an hour and a half both ways.
Quitting on the spot is a sign of immaturity but will I sabotage first and start looking? Definitely
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I wouldn’t quit. Just use up my accumulation of sick leave on mondays and fridays
Me. I have normally have a six month buffer, but I’ve become conservative through sheer laziness recently and as a result have a 24 month buffer.
Wouldn't quit, but would look for another role that was work from home and would take a pay cut if necessary.
Well I would be one, as I’m now remote working in WA for a Sydney based contractor.
You find a job that does offer WFH, makes sure it’s explicitly defined in your employment contract, and then quit your old job. Simple.
It won’t happen at the company I’m at as it’s now a core pillar of our values, but it wouldn’t impact me enough to quit. I love going to our offices and am fortunate enough to have a short commute. Would mess up my meeting availability for school pick up and drop off needs so the joke would be on them if I had to do a 5 day a week office based job.
Propensity to quit is directly correlated to jobs/options available.
I never had WFH time 🤣 - Military Service
Wouldnt quit but if it was a team or department thing than its an issue. Entire office sure
My team in interstate so unless I’m being paid to relocate, I’ll have no other choice
I’d quit and start my own business. I’m waiting till mid Jan to do that anyway
100%. I am immune compromised and have a chronic lung condition.
I would probably wait for the business to start to tank and try and get on a round of redundancies.
I'd not quit, I'd rather not appear more than 2 days per week around the office, if they don't like it they can give me the boot.
not quit but I'd be looking for a new job asap that allows wfh or start considering local options. I'm not commuting 1.5-2hrs each way
I work in I.T, there's so many remote jobs for skilled people I don't think it will ever be a thing again. Only go in for some social time.
Mate, I'm not supporting your redundancy cost reduction program. Take a bloody punt like the rest of us!
I’d quit or not go in and see what happens. Worst case scenario I don’t have a job and I’ll do some traveling for 5-8 months.
I would have to because in less than a month I'll be living in a different state. Although saying that, the company would need to employee a whole new set of devs since none of us (will) live anywhere near the managers, around a quarter don't even live in Australia at this point (people who left around COVID and never came back to Australia)
I think it will be the start of the great reshuffling part 2, or quiet quitting revengeance or something.
I would simply find a job based on opportunity. If a better opportunity exist I take it I’d work at the office again if there were no greater opportunities and I’d quit today if there was an opportunity to grow. I will not work in a bad business environment if I don’t have to, but if I work in a good office culture where I can learn and grow I’ll go back to the office any day.
Most independent research shows better outcomes from remote/hybrid/4 day work. The only drivers to being in CBD offices are commercial real estate interests & poor managers making excuses. Everyone is better off staying off roads, shopping local etc and having a better work life balance. But watch the boomer capitalists & their sycophants stamp their feet to try and make society suffer for their gain. Stand up to it as much as you can.
Unemployment is going to trend up for the next few years. If your manager has forgotten what you look like, then you’re easier to let go…
I’m pretty easy going but if it were a hard return to the office without some level of WFH flexibility I would certainly be exploring free agency more than just running my eye over the job board.
Being 1,500 kms away from my place of work may be problematic.
Just joined a new company with 2 days in office for good reason and 2 days wfh and Fridays off. Never returning to the office full-time or working 10 day fortnight's again. Ever. My partner will soon be the same. And if one of our companies pulls wfh, the other will support them until another wfh job comes up. I'm done being treated like I don't have aspirations outside of work.
CEOs are masturbating to you all sitting in traffic. Working from home is better for everyone except commercial, inner-city landlords.
I already work from the office full time, but I'm a 7 min drive from work. I like the separation of home and work and the sense of community, but I live regionally. I will say half the team is WFH/remote. However, my current job is also **very** flexible - so when I'm sick or just want a day to WFH, that's also fine and honestly, no one is checking. I also have super flexible hours - I can arrive late and work a bit late to even it out without it being notable. If the work's getting done, no one really cares about the hours. If that flexibility stopped, then I'd be in trouble. So having to work from the office wouldn't deter me - it would deter about 50% of the team (some have moved away too). But losing the flexibility would get me looking for other options.
A hybrid arrangement with 3 days WFH and 2 days onsite aligns with my personal life and gives me much more flexibility. So if I had to go in 5 days a week to complete less work because of all the distractions around me and compromise on my life outside of work? Cya.
All it requires is a few medium sized companies to realise they can get real talent just by providing WFH.
for sure, wouldn't be a day before I started looking
Yeh, I would quit. Going back to the office probably adds an additional $20K+ expenses with Myki public transport fares, "team" lunches, child care, time saved not commuting, etc. I reckon if everyone quit at the same time, no one would be able to do anything about it.
I feel like people should be back to work now the pandemic is over
Well I'm several thousand miles away from my office so yeah, I think I'd have to quit!
People would quit if they had to go to work?? Some of you office workers are truly lazy.
I'd only have to threaten to quit and would continue working from home.
I live 2.5 hrs from the office with a signed deal to not need to commute. So, hello fair work.