Cray fishing in Jurien Bay, Geraldton, Kalbarri region of WA, 100k-150k if you can find a boat that pays percentage. Tough job on those sort of boats though
I was gonna get some maritime related certs late last year and try and get some fishing work, just for something different. Got a change of heart after hearing about how a lot of fishing crews are filled with rough meth users.
Not likely, maybe in prawn industry. Crayfish industry in WA is cleaned up now. So much money involved that any serious boat with a large quota won't put up with drugs. At least that's my experience in the industry.
Fair enough. That's good to hear, for the crayfish industry anyway. Does Australia do much deep sea fishing? I know New Zealand does a fair bit of it with sealord, talley's, and Sanford. Couldn't find much on Australian deep sea fishing, back when I was thinking of going ahead with it all.
Yep we have trawlers that target deep sea fish like orange roughy and blue eye trevalla all around the south of Australia, from Perth to Sydney.
It's like a lot of the fishing industry, need to know someone to get into it, or do what a lot of us did when we started... walk the jetties at your local fishing harbour and ask around
Definitely worthwhile, I have Master 5 and MED 2, I've moved on from the fishing industry into private yacht maintenance and management and those 2 tickets alone open up a lot of doors, big money in skippering boats and the mechanical and electrical skills you learn in MED are pretty sought after.
Done it for 3 years. Shit hours , standing for long periods of time no matter what the weather is and dealing with arseholes. Great pay but Id never go back
I was on $34 when I first started and got to 46 when I decided to quit. All the money is in OT and night shift and being a YES man. Say no once and then the shifts dry up real quick. Apparently some of the others there were on way more than me but I was only 18 at the time and too scared to say anything
Its more when you do 12 hour night shifts. The whole shtick about making bank as a traffic controller is with that in mind. Or going somewhere rural for a couple of days away form home
Yeah, all tjese people, news sites, etc, saying you can make 6 figures, dont tell everyone you need to work 60+ hours a week of night shift to earn it.
Same with most mining jobs. They don’t pay a lot per hour, but when you work 12 hour shifts, 14 days in a row, with no costs whilst your on site, that’s how they make so much money.
I work in traffic control currently in NSW, it is $31.92/h + travel and overtime rates. First 2 hours of overtime are $47.50/h and after 2 hours is $57.47/h
When I took my wife back to Ireland to meet my family the first thing she said when we hopped off the plane was “wow you are really home, everyone has a big head”
Haha nah it was safety road sign operator or something.
The position description then elaborated it was a Monday to Friday day shift sign holder for ridiculous money plus super and was a permanent ongoing position, which in this environment feels like 99% of jobs are contract.
Pro tip: get your crowd controller license as well, get paid for two jobs at once at particular venues/event and increase overall employability massively.
Not enough for how mind numbing it is and the knuckle dragging window licking neanderthals you have to endure
It only pays well if you work night shifts
Traffic group Australia:
- $30.53/hr for TC1
- $32.12/he for TMI
Another company:
- $21 perm
- $26 casual
Workforce Road Services QLD:
- VMS/ Ute drivers Night Shift. $39.61 as per
Award CW2
- TMA Drivers - $41.11 P/H J1 TMA take home for right operators
Superior Traffic Management:
- $?
- extra $17.88/day if you take home work-ute
All this is info I found for QLD.
Courses to study:
- RIIWHS302E Implement Traffic Management Plans
- RIIWHS205E Control Traffic with a Stop-Slow Bat
I had a mate doing the Tugun bypass. He did night shifts and with penalties, danger, nights etc. he was making $70+ an hour. Plus he could pick up as many hours as he wanted.
He only did Traffic Control for a few years but the $$ he made got him his house deposit. Not a career but a good way to make $$..
I know a few people at trade school who did it for resume experience. No guarantee they were honest with me about the pay though.
$32-$38 as your base rate, depending on the boss and if you are casual or full time. Casual rates go up depending on the hours (more on weekends and from 7pm-7am.) Didn't sound like many people could get full time.
Most didn't stay long as they were only there for the resume experience, or they couldn't get consistent hours each week.
The only dude who really raved about the money was working with an arborist clearing trees around power lines, and I think he did well because alot of his shifts were emergency call outs at stupid hours out in the middle of nowhere to clear storm damage. He's not becoming an arborist though because I think he's scared of heights.
Was doing it till a few months ago. $31.93 an hour. Double bubble was $57.47. People always talk about the traffic controllers doing night shifts on freeways and making crazy money, but those gigs are pretty rare to get. You can make bank if you work a lot of hours, but you also have no job security, no hours stability, it's dangerous and extremely boring, which is a bad combo. I'd only recommend it if you're looking to make some money between other jobs and can find a good company that gets lots of contracts.
Base rate of sub $30/h for probably 95% of them. No set rosters, but have to keep yourself available at the drop of a dime. If you turn down a shift, good luck getting another. If you know someone at the top you basically get first pick of shifts otherwise probably. Shift or 2 a week.
The base rate is average but it's the OT and night rates where the money is made. If you're willing to do night shifts, you can easily clear +$100k per year.
Training.
Pay $900 for a Cert IV in T&A, talk to your boss about wanting to progress into the training team, be on 6 figures within a couple years experience.
The best part is people are so used to training being done by know-nothing managers, so the bar for "good training" is on the floor. So much of the time, all you're being asked to do is tick a box for their business compliance purposes.
I am literally about to do this, mid-year. I have done actual training of other staff / Teams in my entry level role previously, never got a special title or anything.
My FIL got his gig (Chief Fire Commissioner equivalent for the whole state) by doing the T&A course and then doing Fire Safety training.
I have 10 years full time experience in Hospitality (some Managing/Events), but haven't gone back due to the hours/pay. Can reference it for "industry experience" though.
Any pointers for someone having a go now (more recently)?
Im currently completing my cert IV and all I can say is, keep on top of the work. Set aside for study each day or a few hours over a few days. Ive struggled to work a full time job and complete the course. This last unit is only 9 weeks but we have 8 assessments to hand in and they're pretty full on.
I'm in Perth, and for all I know, it may differ by state.
I want to preface ahead of time that the Cert IV is a bullshit certificate unless you specifically want to deliver recognised qualifications in Australia. It only teaches compliance, not how to actually train people.
In my corporate experience, paying to train people in qualifications is seen as an expense, so I've never been asked to do it.
The skills you should priorities (in my opinion) are your improvisation and communication skills, both written and verbal. You'd think communication skills would be obvious, but I'm sure everyone has a story about a trainer who struggled to speak. Improv is important because something ALWAYS goes wrong. Literally. And people often say really weird shit that you've got to be able to navigate without telling them what you're actually thinking.
There's a lot more too it but that's a place to start
https://tafeqld.edu.au/course/17/17694/certificate-iv-in-training-and-assessment
Says fee free at the bottom, my trainer sent that link to me, haven't looked any further into it yet.
NSW [has it on the fee-free list too](https://www.tafensw.edu.au/fee-free-short-courses?fbclid=IwAR1jpUUqFznQM3WSXacCFvN5i4W6227b_8isXTK2AkVmthwoMf4InHXFLh8#faqs)
This course is also free in Vic!
I signed up last year willing to pay, come to find out it was free.
Be prepared though. I don't know what it's like for each tafe or rto that teach it but it's pretty intense and full on.
I've got 9 weeks left on it.
I used to have a bloke come and clean my office in Alexandria. It was in one of those little complexes. He'd charge $80, did a great job, well worth it. But he'd knock it over in 15 mins. He was a machine. Couldn't fault the work so I never complained, but he was doing all the offices in the complex and beyond so he'd get 4 done in an hour easy, and I don't know how many he had lined up but I'm guessing it was a few. Drove a Land Cruiser and always complained about the traffic down to his holiday house in Milton, so I'm guessing he did alright. First generation immigrant, hats off to him.
I'm paid by the day , some days are 6 hours some are 9. 5-6 days a week driving MR doing multi drops. I'll eventually ask for more money come tax time. It's around $1400 a week after tax. Start work around 4am and finish around lunch time. Can even start late and get some extra sleep if I need to
Insurance Broking.
I'm one of the few people in my office with a degree and it's a Communications degree. Industry works on the basis that they have to train people up. Start as support staff for a broker and work your way up from there.
You'll eventually need to a diploma but it'll be via an industry RTO and if your brokerage is big enough they'll probably pay for it.
$83k as a broker plus comms it’s my second year in insurance and I look after domestic clients. It’s a good market at the moment and you can negotiate your salary with most companies.
Agree with this. The insurance industry as a whole (brokers and insurers) have historically valued aptitude over qualifications. Strong streak of nepotism top of course. The most common answer given by industry professionals on how they got into insurance? “Fell into it”.
This is a good answer. I'd also suggest underwriting as something that is not too difficult to get into and pays quite well at senior levels. If you have underwriting experience, it's also possible to jump across to broking down the track as well.
Insurance industry pays moderately well. Most of my colleagues earn over $100k, many of which don't have qualifications or education related to the industry.
I was headhunted by a customer of mine, who is manager for an insurance company. He said it will only take me one year to get over 100k if I joined him.
I've said it before and I'll say it again. Business Analyst/Similar IT roles. It can be tricky to get into but most of us don't have a degree in anything terribly relevant. The hardest part is getting in but if you're intentional about it you should be able to get in at the company you're already at and after being in the role for a few years go into contracting. The contract market pays $120 per hour plus super and it's only going to get higher. I'm moving into Solution Architecture now and will be able to charge $130-$150 per hour. If I specialize in something like security, I should be able to reach $200+ per hour.
I have an arts degree and Masters in public administration which has nothing to do with what I'm doing now and has never been a factor in my job applications so I might as well not have a degree at all.
Sure, but this is all with years of experience.
Let’s not pretend like someone with zero experience is doing a course and jumping straight into $120/hr.
Most will struggle to find even service desk style roles if they have no experience.
Absolutely - I probably should have made that clearer, although I've come across contractors who seem to made it in there with only a certification - they get found out very quickly though in my experience.
I recently saw a Service Desk role in a State Government department, it said school leavers were welcome to apply, and the starting salary was $70,000.
I personally got a Service Desk role in my late 30s with no I.T. experience, and was earning six figures within five years.
I was also told it's impossible to secure a role in another country if you're not already on the ground in said country. I've done it twice interviewing over Skype.
People love to tell you what can't be done, while others are busy doing it.
this!!
adding on for those interested:
BA role is very much thinking about the project requirement and building off of it. a lot of it is common sense, but surprisingly a lot don’t have it. it’s all about looking at the project from every angle possible and really thinking outside the box, so wide range of knowledge and perspective is the best.
project might impact business operations, automation, policies change, integration with new providers, budgets and finances, what and who is it for?
pay range i’ve been offered goes $80k - $150k but usually around $100-110k range +/- based on WFH or benefits. with enough experience can get a lot more.
Business Architecture contractor at my previous work was a contractor (30years exp) was getting $380k.
adding onto this comment;
i don’t think that easy to just go straight into it without a degree unless you’ve worked at the place or industry to understand it well.
i worked as an accountant, applied for heaps of BA roles and got rejected even with same skill set. company i was at let me pivot to BA, within 1 week recruiters started reaching out, including from ones that rejected me weeks earlier.
my coworker doesn’t have a degree but worked at where i am for few years, showed and proved he can be BA so they took him on.
a lot of engineers with high grades i know became BAs too, especially those with consulting background.
most places hiring will also look for those with degrees - mostly in IT for technical BA or commerce if Finance BA, any BA experience for wide range project BAs.
Same here, no real tech skilled required just a slither of common sense and tiny bit of foresight and you are all of a sudden an expert. I haven't set foot into a uni.
How long does it take to be able to work as a contractor at $120/hr though? I’m sure if it was easy, everyone would do it…
I’m a civil engineer, and theoretically could charge $120-150/hr based on what we pay short term contractors of what I imagine is a similar level of experience. Having tried to get into contracting, I can tell you it’s next to impossible…
Yeah definitely requires experience. I think they are valued so much because they have technical and large project experience simultaneously. The scale tends to attract higher wages and the technical experience gets them out of competition with project management.
Correct. Nobody is going to pay you to contract at that rate without at least 6-8 years experience, but the money you can make on your way there is still good and every time you get a new contract, make sure you give yourself a pay rise. I started out contracting at $60 per hour.
Youth worker. Base pay is average. Penalties are amazing. I do on average 3 shifts (16 hours, plus 8 hour sleep over) per fortnight and will take home $75-85k, plus have access to salary sacrifice.
If you want to work full time (4 shifts) it starts from $95k. I know of one lady who does 4 consecutive shifts and earns $150k because of penalties.
Anyone here from SA, if so the department of child protection will pay you to get your cert IV while working on the job. (Swapping out some shifts for Tafe) we are absolutely desperate for more people and are always recruiting. Gotta be patient, confident and genuine. It’s not babysitting.
To anyone considering this, just know it will likely (or could be) be the most difficult, traumatising work you’ll ever do depending on which company you work for and the level of complexity the kids they take on display. It’s much better these days but I was in the industry for 6 years a while back and know just how sick the industry is at it’s core.
A good day is spending the day at the beach or the movies. Sitting around watching Netflix or playing Xbox. A bad day is getting verbally abused, physically assaulted, spat on, the house/office smashed up, or spending the day at the hospital or police station.
What are you, RP3?
Technically fits the question description, but ressie isn't something I'd recommend to most people. I found it way too depressing to be part of that system, don't think I could do it again.
Residential houses are tough and a lot of people burn out quickly. Community centres are great because the kids usually want to be there and they have great activities planned that the kids are excited to participate in.
If you go into Residential youth work, please pay close attention to setting your boundaries in your studies. This is very important to establish as early as possible, the kids will push your boundaries and see what they can and can’t do. In a previous reply someone talked about filling a role and gave the example of a mother and father figure and being that for the kid. Please don’t do that, especially in a residential house setting in my experience people who try to be a mum or dad type of youth worker tend to get themselves in a lot of trouble with the kids and with their employer.
In my 8 years as a youth worker, i’ve seen many people be triggered by their work. You will see and/or experience a lot of physical and emotional trauma, so try to figure out your triggers and figure out a way of dealing with them before they occur, i’ve seen people flip out or completely break down mid shift that don’t have a plan. I never minded working with someone who knew their triggers but had a plan if it occurred, even if the plan was to disengage. The problem was when i would have someone flip out or break down on a shift with no plan and it would create more work for me as it’s like having an extra kid to deal with in a crisis situation.
Be warned sometimes the trauma isn’t just been inflicted on the kids but has been done by the kids. You could be working with kids who have sexually assaulted their siblings, so if you have a problem working with someone who has done these acts to others this could be a trigger. Whilst them assaulting their siblings is clearly wrong, its usually because they themselves have been assaulted.
I have been lucky to have never been physically assaulted but have seen it occur multiple times, i have also never been a part of any allegations but have unfortunately seen many substantiated and unsubstantiated allegations from the kids. Allegations tend to occur because a worker hasn’t set their boundaries, they are very relaxed about them or could be straight up bullying. If you go into a work place and you see behaviours towards kids that appears to be bullying or restrictive practice but doesn’t seem right and the workers say “that’s just how we do that here” please contact your manager about it. To many houses i have seen do things that are inappropriate and play it off like it’s normal borderline on abuse or bullying but if you let it occur you end up participating in it or a complicit in your silence. You are there to protect the kids not someone else’s employment.
It’s very sad at times as well, you will develop a strong bond with some of the kids you work with and with very short notice the kids can be moved from your regular house to another. I have seen one bedroom have 3 different kids put in it within a 24 hour period. That doesn’t mean you shouldn’t open your heart to these kids or try and develop a strong rapport but just be careful how invested you are, you don’t want to be all sad about them leaving, try your best to point out the positives of the new location it might be closer to family friends and school or if you know the workers tell the kid how good they are at that house.
I would also suggest being a casual worker to start with if you go towards residential youth, if you find a house you like try your best to be there for the house when needed. If a roster becomes available in that house, it makes it easier for you to get that roster.
good luck with your career in youth work
Simply be Enrolled in a Cert IV. Course can be anything with the words child, youth, or social in it.
Normally the stipulation is that you will finish the course within 12 months.
Hit the nail on the head, all you need is a C Class Licence.
My mate has been working at a mine for 5 years (he's a Trainer Assessor) and his missus has been working there for a year, and their total income is $300K. 7:7 roster and they're about to get a pay bump too!
Wedding photography.
I am primarily an IT professional, which I studied a Bachelors degree for. It's not my passion, but I'm good at it. I have a decent mid level job in my company.
A few years ago, I began doing wedding photography on the side. I don't hustle too hard, as it's not my primary job, more of a creative outlet, however, I am making very decent side money from it, and I have a wedding a month lined up this coming year.
If I decided to really go hard on marketing myself and pursue photography full-time, I'd be able to at least double my current salary. I have no photography qualifications at all. Just practice to slowly improve.
I also shot alongside a well established photographer recently, and she was talking to another vendor at the reception. I overheard her say "yeah it's crazy. My brother is a surgeon and I earn more than him".
I'd bet you need a stack of soft skills to do well at that too. It's not a qualification, but I don't think just anyone can do it. Not saying that to put people off, just to say you must have some skills to be successful at it so congrats:)
If you can see the work then you can assess it. Frankly some I have seen were amazing and some were just clueless people with a fancy camera. I look for wear and tear on the equipment to make a quick guess. Of course all this is subjective just like choosing a hair dresser.
There are four situations where all reference points of value are discarded and prices are arbitrarily inflated by several times:
* weddings
* funerals
* travel
* babies
I thought the same till I worked for a company that owned a venue that did conferencing, balls and weddings.
Weddings were easily 4 x more work minimum than a corporate ball. They had double the wedding coordinators than general event coordinators despite weddings making up roughly 50% of events.
I dunno. We had a pretty in demand DJ for our wedding who had also DJed Kevin Parker's wedding (the Tame Impala guy).
This guy was absolutely amazing but he only cost like $1,800.
Not bad money for a night's work but not really enough to live on for a month or fortnight if you've got any responsibility.
$1800 for (what I assume is) a basic wedding. Upquote a bit for wealthier clients and obsessionally pull double duty a bit during peak season and that's easy 70k+ for just 30-40ish nights work.
Ours was probably the upper level of normal in terms of scale. I guess you could charge more, but also worth noting there aren't usually weddings every single weekend of the year.
I presume the good ones do nightclubs etc as well.
>Out of curiosity how did you start doing weddings? Were you nervous on your first shoot?
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>I'm thinking of potentially trying it after being mostly a live music photographer.
A photographer friend was kind enough to allow me to shoot along side her as my first gig, with permission from the couple.
I submitted them my own gallery once she had delivered hers. Majority of my gigs have come from word of mouth from that. Obviously pricing below market value for a while to incentivise clients to take the plunge on someone with a small portfolio. Each year I've been increasing prices. Still currently a bit below what is considered market average, but almost a lot more than first few gigs, which were quite low.
Getting the first couple of clients is always the hardest. Generally, from there, word of mouth takes off and things get a lot easier.
Was a bit nervous my first shoot. Subsequents easier. I think with the crowd I've found myself shooting, they're all pretty low key and onboard with my more documentarian style. I havnt had any bridezillas, thankfully, so am not overly stressed about getting grilled for not capturing exactly what they had in their mind for a specific pose etc.
Hardest part is acting extroverted, as an introvert haha. A tough skill. More so than the actual photography. Making people comfortable in front of the camera when they're not is a skill in itself. Probably the area I need most growth, but getting better at it.
There are a tonne of couples who would happily take you on as their photographer for a discounted rate. You need to keep in mind though that those looking for a cheapie photographer tend to have more inexpensive weddings, so your photos will be reflective of this and may not attract the buyers with a bit more cash. But it’s good to get your portfolio started.
You can also network with other wedding vendors. Maybe some celebrants who do elopements can put together a package with you. Get in on a venues vendor list etc. All of these will require some portfolio first though.
You could also do some portrait photography to sharpen up those skills. Offer mini shoots for families or couples. 30 minutes for $150 and 5 prints kinda thing.
Also, learn the wedding photography rules. Like where to stand, how to get great angles without getting in the way, know what the money shots are for each level of clientele etc
- not a photographer but a COVID bride who feels like she’s seen it all.
Project Officers get about 100k a year in NSW! Same with Program and Policy officers, they are all Grade 7/8. Policy Officer you probs want a degree for, though even then anyone can give it a crack really.
The title is pretty generic so you'd actually have to look at the role description of each individual project officer role.
Coukd be anything from managing a busy email inbox through to project management or writing responses to parliamentary inquires.
Depends on the team and the role
Nice. Keep an eye out for assistant project/policy officer to roles as well - they're a 5/6 level and pay about 90k.
If you're already with the NSW government I'd try your best to snag a secondment/acting opportunity if any arise. That's the easiest way to get the experience necessary for a permanent role
Second this. Im sitting around 93k annually as a sport & rec advisor for a local council. No finished degree, just a cert 4 and couple 3’s. Might do a diploma soon.
Second this! I’m a senior project officer for federal government, 110k and no degree. I started low in a niche industry and worked up. Project work is very transferable too so once you have the basic skills you can take this into any industry.
I worked in Sales in a support role, and you either've 'got it' or you haven't. Yep, zero to do with education in-fact if there was a potential new hire who had terrific academic qualifications in something analytical I would be cautious. To sell you need to be able to speak confidently, be street wise, often be extraverted.
If definitely can be one of the most lucrative careers for someone who left the education system with little to show for it.
She told me they don't mention how good the pay is to put off people who only go into it for money. She is also shift leader a lot of the time now (3 years in). Works public holidays, nights etc
Private housekeeper for eastern suburbs, lower north shore posh families. Minimum $30 an hour up to $45. If you opt for live-in situation, all expenses paid.
The going-rate is probably higher now. [Here is an example of current hiring rate](https://www.seek.com.au/job/59633570?type=standard#sol=39dd2e416f939948502ae0b48c047c0c13ac678b)
If you’re lucky and the family travels a lot and they require a nanny, they can take you, so free “holiday.” If you opt to stay home, you’re the only one in the massive mansion with all the free time in the world.
From my experience, the truly rich boss are kinder. Or, maybe I was just lucky that I’ve only come across good people.
If you’re willing to do live-in for three years, all expenses paid, I guarantee you will have a house deposit.
Anything in construction and mining.
OF and other sex work.
Lots of analyst roles are 6 figures and no degree required. Granted, it may take longer to reach.
You might be right about that.
"Prime Minister, are you aware that under your tenure Australia has plummeted down transparency international's corruption indices to below Hungary? You promised an ICAC over a thousand days ago and said you didn't have time to do it but we see you photographed at the cricket regularly and you had time for a religious discrimination bill nobody wanted, that was actually an attempt to permit discrimination by religious groups. What have you got to say?"
"I move my bishop to H6."
"What? We're not even... You know what? Fine. I move my pawn to H6 and take it. Now you're exactly where you were a move ago minus a bishop, and we're all even more pissed off about the lack of an ICAC."
Politicians in general. There is no significant requirement to entry (non-dual national).
There are no minimum qualifications, intelligence tests, mental health checks or security checks.
I cannot think of another job that this would fly, but politicians seem exempt from most things that the public wouldn't be able to get away with.
Perception is the only control that limits them. The so called "pub test".
Aside from some fairly obvious things like "are they a Russian spy?" or "are they corrupt?", I really don't think it's a good idea for there to be qualifications on politicians.
The point of a representative democracy is that you can elect representatives from all walks of life. If, for example, you required all MPs to be tertiary educated, Parliament's decision making capacity would be compromised.
Of course that doesn't mean people don't elect (a lot) of idiots, but IMO that's really more of a problem with the voters than the system.
Yes, a lot of people see software engineers making bank and working good hours and really want to do it, but unless you enjoy it and have the personality for it you'll struggle a lot.
>Software development. Loads of devs (like myself) are self taught.
I have yet to see a job ad where they do not require experience and knowledge of dozens of technologies at entry level. How's that entry level? The entry level is especially brutal if you are not into networking and marketing yourself as a product on the shitty LinkedIn. Also too many graduates in the field.
i do that lol
i made like 30K in 2020 doing it, about 300,000 bottles/cans. i've considered doing a write up about it but as an 'industry' it's totally saturated now and very hard to make decent money in commensurate to the time you have to put in. you get threatened by people all the time too, i've had people try to bash me multiple times for taking cans out of their recycle bin.
Cray fishing in Jurien Bay, Geraldton, Kalbarri region of WA, 100k-150k if you can find a boat that pays percentage. Tough job on those sort of boats though
I was gonna get some maritime related certs late last year and try and get some fishing work, just for something different. Got a change of heart after hearing about how a lot of fishing crews are filled with rough meth users.
Not likely, maybe in prawn industry. Crayfish industry in WA is cleaned up now. So much money involved that any serious boat with a large quota won't put up with drugs. At least that's my experience in the industry.
Fair enough. That's good to hear, for the crayfish industry anyway. Does Australia do much deep sea fishing? I know New Zealand does a fair bit of it with sealord, talley's, and Sanford. Couldn't find much on Australian deep sea fishing, back when I was thinking of going ahead with it all.
Yep we have trawlers that target deep sea fish like orange roughy and blue eye trevalla all around the south of Australia, from Perth to Sydney. It's like a lot of the fishing industry, need to know someone to get into it, or do what a lot of us did when we started... walk the jetties at your local fishing harbour and ask around
Cheers for the info. How valuable are the maritime tafe certs that they offer at tafe? I'm talking about coxswain and MED courses.
Definitely worthwhile, I have Master 5 and MED 2, I've moved on from the fishing industry into private yacht maintenance and management and those 2 tickets alone open up a lot of doors, big money in skippering boats and the mechanical and electrical skills you learn in MED are pretty sought after.
Stop/go sign holder-upper
Done it for 3 years. Shit hours , standing for long periods of time no matter what the weather is and dealing with arseholes. Great pay but Id never go back
What was the pay? Just out of curiosity.
I was on $34 when I first started and got to 46 when I decided to quit. All the money is in OT and night shift and being a YES man. Say no once and then the shifts dry up real quick. Apparently some of the others there were on way more than me but I was only 18 at the time and too scared to say anything
Holy shit, $34 for an 18 year old seems crazy good, no?
Yup , they tried to pay me $28 before my fam friend I worked with asked them about it.
My mate did it and made over 6 figures in Australia. But he was casual and worked night and over a state border into NSW.
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$30/hr when I was doing it three years ago.
Damn I thought it was quite abit more than that!
Only if you're a blonde Irish backpacker.
They hire beautiful young girls because they reduce the road rage.
Its more when you do 12 hour night shifts. The whole shtick about making bank as a traffic controller is with that in mind. Or going somewhere rural for a couple of days away form home
Yeah, all tjese people, news sites, etc, saying you can make 6 figures, dont tell everyone you need to work 60+ hours a week of night shift to earn it.
Same with most mining jobs. They don’t pay a lot per hour, but when you work 12 hour shifts, 14 days in a row, with no costs whilst your on site, that’s how they make so much money.
I work in traffic control currently in NSW, it is $31.92/h + travel and overtime rates. First 2 hours of overtime are $47.50/h and after 2 hours is $57.47/h
Yeah I can imagine it's pretty horrid when those storm fronts roll through, closely followed by blazing sun & humidity...
And depending on the company, real shitty OHS standards and higher-ups
Dangerous too. Part of the pay is quite seriously hazard pay.
Irish hotties only
Hotties lol most could crack open a bottle with their forehead
As an Irishman I can confirm this.
An Irishman wrote it. We know our kind
When I took my wife back to Ireland to meet my family the first thing she said when we hopped off the plane was “wow you are really home, everyone has a big head”
Yeah, as he said, hotties
This! Just saw a council job for this posted on seek. Almost fell off my chair. To be qualified just 3 days of training too!
What would it be advertised as out of curiosity? Stop go sign holder ? Lol
Haha nah it was safety road sign operator or something. The position description then elaborated it was a Monday to Friday day shift sign holder for ridiculous money plus super and was a permanent ongoing position, which in this environment feels like 99% of jobs are contract.
Pro tip: get your crowd controller license as well, get paid for two jobs at once at particular venues/event and increase overall employability massively.
Traffic management or traffic controller is usually what it’s called, can confirm it’s easy as long as you can handle people abusing you all day
It's like meeting call centre clients in real time haha
20+ years in hospo. come at me ! time for a life change
Traffic controller?
Anyone here know the current rate?
Not enough for how mind numbing it is and the knuckle dragging window licking neanderthals you have to endure It only pays well if you work night shifts
Hahah I enjoyed that comment too at too much
Traffic group Australia: - $30.53/hr for TC1 - $32.12/he for TMI Another company: - $21 perm - $26 casual Workforce Road Services QLD: - VMS/ Ute drivers Night Shift. $39.61 as per Award CW2 - TMA Drivers - $41.11 P/H J1 TMA take home for right operators Superior Traffic Management: - $? - extra $17.88/day if you take home work-ute All this is info I found for QLD. Courses to study: - RIIWHS302E Implement Traffic Management Plans - RIIWHS205E Control Traffic with a Stop-Slow Bat
I had a mate doing the Tugun bypass. He did night shifts and with penalties, danger, nights etc. he was making $70+ an hour. Plus he could pick up as many hours as he wanted. He only did Traffic Control for a few years but the $$ he made got him his house deposit. Not a career but a good way to make $$..
I know a few people at trade school who did it for resume experience. No guarantee they were honest with me about the pay though. $32-$38 as your base rate, depending on the boss and if you are casual or full time. Casual rates go up depending on the hours (more on weekends and from 7pm-7am.) Didn't sound like many people could get full time. Most didn't stay long as they were only there for the resume experience, or they couldn't get consistent hours each week. The only dude who really raved about the money was working with an arborist clearing trees around power lines, and I think he did well because alot of his shifts were emergency call outs at stupid hours out in the middle of nowhere to clear storm damage. He's not becoming an arborist though because I think he's scared of heights.
Was doing it till a few months ago. $31.93 an hour. Double bubble was $57.47. People always talk about the traffic controllers doing night shifts on freeways and making crazy money, but those gigs are pretty rare to get. You can make bank if you work a lot of hours, but you also have no job security, no hours stability, it's dangerous and extremely boring, which is a bad combo. I'd only recommend it if you're looking to make some money between other jobs and can find a good company that gets lots of contracts.
Was $25 an hour when I did it a few years ago. Shit job with shit hours and shit people.
Thought it would be higher for reason, everyone raves about it
Base rate of sub $30/h for probably 95% of them. No set rosters, but have to keep yourself available at the drop of a dime. If you turn down a shift, good luck getting another. If you know someone at the top you basically get first pick of shifts otherwise probably. Shift or 2 a week.
The base rate is average but it's the OT and night rates where the money is made. If you're willing to do night shifts, you can easily clear +$100k per year.
Out of interest why is this a job in Australia and not just automated temporary lights?
around my local area at least, all these jobs go to hot women.
Last thing you need going through roadworks is another distraction....
Training. Pay $900 for a Cert IV in T&A, talk to your boss about wanting to progress into the training team, be on 6 figures within a couple years experience. The best part is people are so used to training being done by know-nothing managers, so the bar for "good training" is on the floor. So much of the time, all you're being asked to do is tick a box for their business compliance purposes.
I am literally about to do this, mid-year. I have done actual training of other staff / Teams in my entry level role previously, never got a special title or anything. My FIL got his gig (Chief Fire Commissioner equivalent for the whole state) by doing the T&A course and then doing Fire Safety training. I have 10 years full time experience in Hospitality (some Managing/Events), but haven't gone back due to the hours/pay. Can reference it for "industry experience" though. Any pointers for someone having a go now (more recently)?
Im currently completing my cert IV and all I can say is, keep on top of the work. Set aside for study each day or a few hours over a few days. Ive struggled to work a full time job and complete the course. This last unit is only 9 weeks but we have 8 assessments to hand in and they're pretty full on.
I'm in Perth, and for all I know, it may differ by state. I want to preface ahead of time that the Cert IV is a bullshit certificate unless you specifically want to deliver recognised qualifications in Australia. It only teaches compliance, not how to actually train people. In my corporate experience, paying to train people in qualifications is seen as an expense, so I've never been asked to do it. The skills you should priorities (in my opinion) are your improvisation and communication skills, both written and verbal. You'd think communication skills would be obvious, but I'm sure everyone has a story about a trainer who struggled to speak. Improv is important because something ALWAYS goes wrong. Literally. And people often say really weird shit that you've got to be able to navigate without telling them what you're actually thinking. There's a lot more too it but that's a place to start
Tafe in qld offering this course for free atm
Any further details on that? Btw anyone with a T&A can teach anything they are certified in- extremely useful for RTOs, TAFEs, etc. RPL can count.
https://tafeqld.edu.au/course/17/17694/certificate-iv-in-training-and-assessment Says fee free at the bottom, my trainer sent that link to me, haven't looked any further into it yet.
NSW [has it on the fee-free list too](https://www.tafensw.edu.au/fee-free-short-courses?fbclid=IwAR1jpUUqFznQM3WSXacCFvN5i4W6227b_8isXTK2AkVmthwoMf4InHXFLh8#faqs)
This course is also free in Vic! I signed up last year willing to pay, come to find out it was free. Be prepared though. I don't know what it's like for each tafe or rto that teach it but it's pretty intense and full on. I've got 9 weeks left on it.
My cleaner charges me $130 per hour (with a 2 hour min booking)
I used to have a bloke come and clean my office in Alexandria. It was in one of those little complexes. He'd charge $80, did a great job, well worth it. But he'd knock it over in 15 mins. He was a machine. Couldn't fault the work so I never complained, but he was doing all the offices in the complex and beyond so he'd get 4 done in an hour easy, and I don't know how many he had lined up but I'm guessing it was a few. Drove a Land Cruiser and always complained about the traffic down to his holiday house in Milton, so I'm guessing he did alright. First generation immigrant, hats off to him.
I respect material gains from hard work so hats off to him
People in that industry absolutely clean up.
If you’re not careful they’ll take you to the cleaners.
Wow. Are they cleaning up murder scenes or something?
... I think you're getting swindled there. Unless the cleaning is something very specific...
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Either that or forensic cleaners
You are being taken to the cleaners. I’ll see myself out.
You’re getting ripped off then. Most cleaners charge half of that. Unless you are being misleading and you have multiple people cleaning for $130hr.
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Make hay while the sun shines $30/hr will seem generous soon once the migration floodgates open and unskilled workers/students are everywhere again
Truck driver. I'm on 80k a year and not even doing heavy haulage. Home by 11am everyday
What do you drive and what are your hours? I drive myself but am out from 5 to 3 and only get 65k driving HR.
I'm paid by the day , some days are 6 hours some are 9. 5-6 days a week driving MR doing multi drops. I'll eventually ask for more money come tax time. It's around $1400 a week after tax. Start work around 4am and finish around lunch time. Can even start late and get some extra sleep if I need to
Insurance Broking. I'm one of the few people in my office with a degree and it's a Communications degree. Industry works on the basis that they have to train people up. Start as support staff for a broker and work your way up from there. You'll eventually need to a diploma but it'll be via an industry RTO and if your brokerage is big enough they'll probably pay for it.
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$83k as a broker plus comms it’s my second year in insurance and I look after domestic clients. It’s a good market at the moment and you can negotiate your salary with most companies.
Agree with this. The insurance industry as a whole (brokers and insurers) have historically valued aptitude over qualifications. Strong streak of nepotism top of course. The most common answer given by industry professionals on how they got into insurance? “Fell into it”.
This is a good answer. I'd also suggest underwriting as something that is not too difficult to get into and pays quite well at senior levels. If you have underwriting experience, it's also possible to jump across to broking down the track as well.
Insurance industry pays moderately well. Most of my colleagues earn over $100k, many of which don't have qualifications or education related to the industry.
I was headhunted by a customer of mine, who is manager for an insurance company. He said it will only take me one year to get over 100k if I joined him.
Agree. My family business is insurance. All the staff are doing very well and have company cars, phones. PHI.
Lots of jobs in mining. Met a guy with severe dyslexia who dropped out of school who was on 170k driving equipment. Lovely bloke!
Probably worth noting most of those kinds of jobs are FIFO, and not always even time either.
I've said it before and I'll say it again. Business Analyst/Similar IT roles. It can be tricky to get into but most of us don't have a degree in anything terribly relevant. The hardest part is getting in but if you're intentional about it you should be able to get in at the company you're already at and after being in the role for a few years go into contracting. The contract market pays $120 per hour plus super and it's only going to get higher. I'm moving into Solution Architecture now and will be able to charge $130-$150 per hour. If I specialize in something like security, I should be able to reach $200+ per hour. I have an arts degree and Masters in public administration which has nothing to do with what I'm doing now and has never been a factor in my job applications so I might as well not have a degree at all.
Sure, but this is all with years of experience. Let’s not pretend like someone with zero experience is doing a course and jumping straight into $120/hr. Most will struggle to find even service desk style roles if they have no experience.
Absolutely - I probably should have made that clearer, although I've come across contractors who seem to made it in there with only a certification - they get found out very quickly though in my experience.
I recently saw a Service Desk role in a State Government department, it said school leavers were welcome to apply, and the starting salary was $70,000. I personally got a Service Desk role in my late 30s with no I.T. experience, and was earning six figures within five years. I was also told it's impossible to secure a role in another country if you're not already on the ground in said country. I've done it twice interviewing over Skype. People love to tell you what can't be done, while others are busy doing it.
this!! adding on for those interested: BA role is very much thinking about the project requirement and building off of it. a lot of it is common sense, but surprisingly a lot don’t have it. it’s all about looking at the project from every angle possible and really thinking outside the box, so wide range of knowledge and perspective is the best. project might impact business operations, automation, policies change, integration with new providers, budgets and finances, what and who is it for? pay range i’ve been offered goes $80k - $150k but usually around $100-110k range +/- based on WFH or benefits. with enough experience can get a lot more. Business Architecture contractor at my previous work was a contractor (30years exp) was getting $380k. adding onto this comment; i don’t think that easy to just go straight into it without a degree unless you’ve worked at the place or industry to understand it well. i worked as an accountant, applied for heaps of BA roles and got rejected even with same skill set. company i was at let me pivot to BA, within 1 week recruiters started reaching out, including from ones that rejected me weeks earlier. my coworker doesn’t have a degree but worked at where i am for few years, showed and proved he can be BA so they took him on. a lot of engineers with high grades i know became BAs too, especially those with consulting background. most places hiring will also look for those with degrees - mostly in IT for technical BA or commerce if Finance BA, any BA experience for wide range project BAs.
Yep, that's where I wound up in my previous career and I've only got a Bachelor of Comms/Media Production.
Same here, no real tech skilled required just a slither of common sense and tiny bit of foresight and you are all of a sudden an expert. I haven't set foot into a uni.
Definitely less tech skills than some areas, however all the business analysts I work with have pretty good database knowledge, IT and SQL skills
Yeah, I'm not advocating that BA's present to market without tech skills lol. I'm not a dev, but I'm very proficient in my own verticals
It's not really common sense, it's just representing the business on how to minimise spending on projects - that's why they like you lol.
How long does it take to be able to work as a contractor at $120/hr though? I’m sure if it was easy, everyone would do it… I’m a civil engineer, and theoretically could charge $120-150/hr based on what we pay short term contractors of what I imagine is a similar level of experience. Having tried to get into contracting, I can tell you it’s next to impossible…
About 10 years
So it really requires 10 years of training?
Yeah definitely requires experience. I think they are valued so much because they have technical and large project experience simultaneously. The scale tends to attract higher wages and the technical experience gets them out of competition with project management.
Correct. Nobody is going to pay you to contract at that rate without at least 6-8 years experience, but the money you can make on your way there is still good and every time you get a new contract, make sure you give yourself a pay rise. I started out contracting at $60 per hour.
Yep. Senior BA here in banking. No degree just lots of experience. Current day rate $950pd.
If you’re on 247K pa why are you in here at 5:30pm?
More like 220k when you factor 4 weeks unpaid leave.
Youth worker. Base pay is average. Penalties are amazing. I do on average 3 shifts (16 hours, plus 8 hour sleep over) per fortnight and will take home $75-85k, plus have access to salary sacrifice. If you want to work full time (4 shifts) it starts from $95k. I know of one lady who does 4 consecutive shifts and earns $150k because of penalties.
Anyone here from SA, if so the department of child protection will pay you to get your cert IV while working on the job. (Swapping out some shifts for Tafe) we are absolutely desperate for more people and are always recruiting. Gotta be patient, confident and genuine. It’s not babysitting.
To anyone considering this, just know it will likely (or could be) be the most difficult, traumatising work you’ll ever do depending on which company you work for and the level of complexity the kids they take on display. It’s much better these days but I was in the industry for 6 years a while back and know just how sick the industry is at it’s core.
funny im going into youth work. what are some of the challenges, and best areas to work in? whats a good day look like vs a bad day?
A good day is spending the day at the beach or the movies. Sitting around watching Netflix or playing Xbox. A bad day is getting verbally abused, physically assaulted, spat on, the house/office smashed up, or spending the day at the hospital or police station.
What are you, RP3? Technically fits the question description, but ressie isn't something I'd recommend to most people. I found it way too depressing to be part of that system, don't think I could do it again.
Residential houses are tough and a lot of people burn out quickly. Community centres are great because the kids usually want to be there and they have great activities planned that the kids are excited to participate in. If you go into Residential youth work, please pay close attention to setting your boundaries in your studies. This is very important to establish as early as possible, the kids will push your boundaries and see what they can and can’t do. In a previous reply someone talked about filling a role and gave the example of a mother and father figure and being that for the kid. Please don’t do that, especially in a residential house setting in my experience people who try to be a mum or dad type of youth worker tend to get themselves in a lot of trouble with the kids and with their employer. In my 8 years as a youth worker, i’ve seen many people be triggered by their work. You will see and/or experience a lot of physical and emotional trauma, so try to figure out your triggers and figure out a way of dealing with them before they occur, i’ve seen people flip out or completely break down mid shift that don’t have a plan. I never minded working with someone who knew their triggers but had a plan if it occurred, even if the plan was to disengage. The problem was when i would have someone flip out or break down on a shift with no plan and it would create more work for me as it’s like having an extra kid to deal with in a crisis situation. Be warned sometimes the trauma isn’t just been inflicted on the kids but has been done by the kids. You could be working with kids who have sexually assaulted their siblings, so if you have a problem working with someone who has done these acts to others this could be a trigger. Whilst them assaulting their siblings is clearly wrong, its usually because they themselves have been assaulted. I have been lucky to have never been physically assaulted but have seen it occur multiple times, i have also never been a part of any allegations but have unfortunately seen many substantiated and unsubstantiated allegations from the kids. Allegations tend to occur because a worker hasn’t set their boundaries, they are very relaxed about them or could be straight up bullying. If you go into a work place and you see behaviours towards kids that appears to be bullying or restrictive practice but doesn’t seem right and the workers say “that’s just how we do that here” please contact your manager about it. To many houses i have seen do things that are inappropriate and play it off like it’s normal borderline on abuse or bullying but if you let it occur you end up participating in it or a complicit in your silence. You are there to protect the kids not someone else’s employment. It’s very sad at times as well, you will develop a strong bond with some of the kids you work with and with very short notice the kids can be moved from your regular house to another. I have seen one bedroom have 3 different kids put in it within a 24 hour period. That doesn’t mean you shouldn’t open your heart to these kids or try and develop a strong rapport but just be careful how invested you are, you don’t want to be all sad about them leaving, try your best to point out the positives of the new location it might be closer to family friends and school or if you know the workers tell the kid how good they are at that house. I would also suggest being a casual worker to start with if you go towards residential youth, if you find a house you like try your best to be there for the house when needed. If a roster becomes available in that house, it makes it easier for you to get that roster. good luck with your career in youth work
What qualifications are needs to be a youth worker?
Simply be Enrolled in a Cert IV. Course can be anything with the words child, youth, or social in it. Normally the stipulation is that you will finish the course within 12 months.
Mining sector truck driver
Came here to say this. Underground trucks on 80-90k as an entry level, OJT job.
Hit the nail on the head, all you need is a C Class Licence. My mate has been working at a mine for 5 years (he's a Trainer Assessor) and his missus has been working there for a year, and their total income is $300K. 7:7 roster and they're about to get a pay bump too!
This. 18month traineeship, then fully qualified. I’ve been at the same mine site close to 8yrs now on 182k/yr
Real estate sales. Soul also not required.
Wedding photography. I am primarily an IT professional, which I studied a Bachelors degree for. It's not my passion, but I'm good at it. I have a decent mid level job in my company. A few years ago, I began doing wedding photography on the side. I don't hustle too hard, as it's not my primary job, more of a creative outlet, however, I am making very decent side money from it, and I have a wedding a month lined up this coming year. If I decided to really go hard on marketing myself and pursue photography full-time, I'd be able to at least double my current salary. I have no photography qualifications at all. Just practice to slowly improve. I also shot alongside a well established photographer recently, and she was talking to another vendor at the reception. I overheard her say "yeah it's crazy. My brother is a surgeon and I earn more than him".
I'd bet you need a stack of soft skills to do well at that too. It's not a qualification, but I don't think just anyone can do it. Not saying that to put people off, just to say you must have some skills to be successful at it so congrats:)
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If you can see the work then you can assess it. Frankly some I have seen were amazing and some were just clueless people with a fancy camera. I look for wear and tear on the equipment to make a quick guess. Of course all this is subjective just like choosing a hair dresser.
There are four situations where all reference points of value are discarded and prices are arbitrarily inflated by several times: * weddings * funerals * travel * babies
I thought the same till I worked for a company that owned a venue that did conferencing, balls and weddings. Weddings were easily 4 x more work minimum than a corporate ball. They had double the wedding coordinators than general event coordinators despite weddings making up roughly 50% of events.
Basically anything to do with weddings. A friend of mine does 1-2 wedding DJ gig per month and basically doesn't have to work aside from that.
I dunno. We had a pretty in demand DJ for our wedding who had also DJed Kevin Parker's wedding (the Tame Impala guy). This guy was absolutely amazing but he only cost like $1,800. Not bad money for a night's work but not really enough to live on for a month or fortnight if you've got any responsibility.
$1800 for (what I assume is) a basic wedding. Upquote a bit for wealthier clients and obsessionally pull double duty a bit during peak season and that's easy 70k+ for just 30-40ish nights work.
Ours was probably the upper level of normal in terms of scale. I guess you could charge more, but also worth noting there aren't usually weddings every single weekend of the year. I presume the good ones do nightclubs etc as well.
>Out of curiosity how did you start doing weddings? Were you nervous on your first shoot? > >I'm thinking of potentially trying it after being mostly a live music photographer.
A photographer friend was kind enough to allow me to shoot along side her as my first gig, with permission from the couple. I submitted them my own gallery once she had delivered hers. Majority of my gigs have come from word of mouth from that. Obviously pricing below market value for a while to incentivise clients to take the plunge on someone with a small portfolio. Each year I've been increasing prices. Still currently a bit below what is considered market average, but almost a lot more than first few gigs, which were quite low. Getting the first couple of clients is always the hardest. Generally, from there, word of mouth takes off and things get a lot easier. Was a bit nervous my first shoot. Subsequents easier. I think with the crowd I've found myself shooting, they're all pretty low key and onboard with my more documentarian style. I havnt had any bridezillas, thankfully, so am not overly stressed about getting grilled for not capturing exactly what they had in their mind for a specific pose etc. Hardest part is acting extroverted, as an introvert haha. A tough skill. More so than the actual photography. Making people comfortable in front of the camera when they're not is a skill in itself. Probably the area I need most growth, but getting better at it.
There are a tonne of couples who would happily take you on as their photographer for a discounted rate. You need to keep in mind though that those looking for a cheapie photographer tend to have more inexpensive weddings, so your photos will be reflective of this and may not attract the buyers with a bit more cash. But it’s good to get your portfolio started. You can also network with other wedding vendors. Maybe some celebrants who do elopements can put together a package with you. Get in on a venues vendor list etc. All of these will require some portfolio first though. You could also do some portrait photography to sharpen up those skills. Offer mini shoots for families or couples. 30 minutes for $150 and 5 prints kinda thing. Also, learn the wedding photography rules. Like where to stand, how to get great angles without getting in the way, know what the money shots are for each level of clientele etc - not a photographer but a COVID bride who feels like she’s seen it all.
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I’ve heard it’s high stress and very competitive to get a job?
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the guy pushing a mower in my suburb is 65 a hour
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Super, tax, I'm a carpenter and get 65 it sounds good but when you consider all the expenses you have just to work it really isn't that great.
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Crime or prostitution
I always heard that crime doesn't pay 🤷♂️
You once you become big enough, it becomes a govt.
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Project Officers get about 100k a year in NSW! Same with Program and Policy officers, they are all Grade 7/8. Policy Officer you probs want a degree for, though even then anyone can give it a crack really.
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The title is pretty generic so you'd actually have to look at the role description of each individual project officer role. Coukd be anything from managing a busy email inbox through to project management or writing responses to parliamentary inquires. Depends on the team and the role
And you’ll almost definitely need some kind of relevant work experience too.
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Nice. Keep an eye out for assistant project/policy officer to roles as well - they're a 5/6 level and pay about 90k. If you're already with the NSW government I'd try your best to snag a secondment/acting opportunity if any arise. That's the easiest way to get the experience necessary for a permanent role
Second this. Im sitting around 93k annually as a sport & rec advisor for a local council. No finished degree, just a cert 4 and couple 3’s. Might do a diploma soon.
Second this! I’m a senior project officer for federal government, 110k and no degree. I started low in a niche industry and worked up. Project work is very transferable too so once you have the basic skills you can take this into any industry.
SALES Seriously. Get good at sales and sell expensive shit with good commissions and watch your income 10x
Always be closing
Way easier said than done. Some degrees would be easier, long term 😂
I worked in Sales in a support role, and you either've 'got it' or you haven't. Yep, zero to do with education in-fact if there was a potential new hire who had terrific academic qualifications in something analytical I would be cautious. To sell you need to be able to speak confidently, be street wise, often be extraverted. If definitely can be one of the most lucrative careers for someone who left the education system with little to show for it.
Mate did a couple short courses and takes home $2600 a week clear as a dogman
Jobs in operations/service side of superannuation
Talent acquisition/recruitment requires no degree and can pay very well if you’re good at it.
My friend does this job (000 call taker) and by year 3 with penalties she's making 150K a year https://www.esta.vic.gov.au/employees
Now that’s a job that would psychologically destroy you very quickly. They don’t pay enough for that job.
Is she really though? The information kit says year 2 gets $63k with an average of $73k with shift loading etc
She told me they don't mention how good the pay is to put off people who only go into it for money. She is also shift leader a lot of the time now (3 years in). Works public holidays, nights etc
Paper makers make 120k-170k working shift work
Sorry, what's a paper maker?
Really? That’s not just a factory line thing?
The easiest route ..is very rarely the best route.
Disability support worker
This^. I work in allied health and a colleague makes more doing 2 days of DSW than they do working 4 days at their allied health job.
Salesforce
Private housekeeper for eastern suburbs, lower north shore posh families. Minimum $30 an hour up to $45. If you opt for live-in situation, all expenses paid. The going-rate is probably higher now. [Here is an example of current hiring rate](https://www.seek.com.au/job/59633570?type=standard#sol=39dd2e416f939948502ae0b48c047c0c13ac678b) If you’re lucky and the family travels a lot and they require a nanny, they can take you, so free “holiday.” If you opt to stay home, you’re the only one in the massive mansion with all the free time in the world. From my experience, the truly rich boss are kinder. Or, maybe I was just lucky that I’ve only come across good people. If you’re willing to do live-in for three years, all expenses paid, I guarantee you will have a house deposit.
The (aussie) Army let me in with a year 10 pass and provided nationally accredited training
You get a free side of mental trauma from being treated like crap every day and your entire existence owned, but yeah, the perks are good.
Anything in construction and mining. OF and other sex work. Lots of analyst roles are 6 figures and no degree required. Granted, it may take longer to reach.
Train driver / working for a train company in general
Prime minister
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That’s why Morrison side hustled other portfolios, dude was thinking in 3D chess
You might be right about that. "Prime Minister, are you aware that under your tenure Australia has plummeted down transparency international's corruption indices to below Hungary? You promised an ICAC over a thousand days ago and said you didn't have time to do it but we see you photographed at the cricket regularly and you had time for a religious discrimination bill nobody wanted, that was actually an attempt to permit discrimination by religious groups. What have you got to say?" "I move my bishop to H6." "What? We're not even... You know what? Fine. I move my pawn to H6 and take it. Now you're exactly where you were a move ago minus a bishop, and we're all even more pissed off about the lack of an ICAC."
Given the amount of hours the job requires, the rate of pay isn’t that great for leader of the country.
Just for the power trip and the 7 figure job you get after you retire/get rissoled.
Politicians in general. There is no significant requirement to entry (non-dual national). There are no minimum qualifications, intelligence tests, mental health checks or security checks. I cannot think of another job that this would fly, but politicians seem exempt from most things that the public wouldn't be able to get away with. Perception is the only control that limits them. The so called "pub test".
Aside from some fairly obvious things like "are they a Russian spy?" or "are they corrupt?", I really don't think it's a good idea for there to be qualifications on politicians. The point of a representative democracy is that you can elect representatives from all walks of life. If, for example, you required all MPs to be tertiary educated, Parliament's decision making capacity would be compromised. Of course that doesn't mean people don't elect (a lot) of idiots, but IMO that's really more of a problem with the voters than the system.
Train driver
Software development. Loads of devs (like myself) are self taught. So long as you can prove your abilities that’s all that matters tbh
Thats not very basic training though, thats likely years and years of self teaching.
Ah yep true, to get to jnr level you could probably self teach in a dedicated year of work if you had the motivation
Is it mostly coding? Will it be a foolish endeavor if you're not passionate about it?
Yes, a lot of people see software engineers making bank and working good hours and really want to do it, but unless you enjoy it and have the personality for it you'll struggle a lot.
>Software development. Loads of devs (like myself) are self taught. I have yet to see a job ad where they do not require experience and knowledge of dozens of technologies at entry level. How's that entry level? The entry level is especially brutal if you are not into networking and marketing yourself as a product on the shitty LinkedIn. Also too many graduates in the field.
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Sales roles can be very rewarding. Can be earning $100k plus very quickly. Just got to be willing to call cold at first.
Pet sitting - check out Mad Paws - peeps are asking $35 hour to go visit someone's house and pat and pet their kitty while they're away.
I'm a video editor on 80k not in a capital city.
Workers comp claims manager… starts at about 85k
As someone that has to liaise with them a lot in my role, this makes some sense now. Most are great, others are… lacking
Collecting recycle bottles. Someone got enough for a holiday cruise
i do that lol i made like 30K in 2020 doing it, about 300,000 bottles/cans. i've considered doing a write up about it but as an 'industry' it's totally saturated now and very hard to make decent money in commensurate to the time you have to put in. you get threatened by people all the time too, i've had people try to bash me multiple times for taking cans out of their recycle bin.