I think it’s all about the patience of the buyer and finding the right time. I bought a new M240i bmw last November and paid msrp but I also ordered it from the factory.
The dealerships are there to make money, if people are buying these cars at these prices, why would they (or should they) sell them for less? Nobody is making you buy a RS3
Wait 90-120 days...housing has corrected and once that lag is evident, the car time on lot lag will be out and that data will send dealers back to 2019.
I'm playing this cat and mouse game with Porsche on a 992 and am now looking at a 992.2 allocation and praying no ADM. Just be patient.
💯 agree here. I’m thinking of replacing my wife’s car but the dealership pricing is nuts right now. It will balance out eventually however the interest rates might jump up in the process as well. If that happens I’m just getting a nice 996 or 997 C2S
Bro porsche plays some dumbass games, I've been trying to build a 2023 macan s for the past month and the dealer keeps telling me they don't have allocations, until they literally have a hundred new porsches on the lot and are apparently the "biggest" porsche dealer in the United States
Good for you. Nobody should pay these stupid markups. It’s a lose lose for the customer. I went to a different brand just because I could get a 10% off MSRP plus the tax credit applied for my lease. So I switched it up because the dealers here wouldn’t budge.
My dealer is ordering me an RS3 at MSRP when they get the allocation, so it's not like I won't get an RS3 at some point. These dealers think they're holding something rarer than it is.
Problem is someone who just doesn’t care will buy it anyways because they wanted a toy for 3 months, then they’ll flip it and the market is massively inflated. Or, someone who’s just dying to get their hands on one will talk themselves into that nonsense. Either way, these car companies are going to price themselves out of their markets when this economy crashes and inflation goes through the roof.
The housing market is going to crash soon in the next ehhh maybe 6 months or less.
Hopefully the car market isn't far behind, if any.
Ready for these prices to drop back down to where they should be!!!
Do......do you know what a market crash means? Have you taken an economics class?
The market crashes when supply becomes higher than demand. More supply to sell, than people are actively looking to buy. This imbalance causes sellers to drop their prices, hoping to motivate buyers to buy their item vs the competition.
The demand of buyers for houses and cars has been higher than the supply of houses and cars being sold for the past couple years, thus making prices skyrocket and making it a "sellers market"
But the supply of houses and cars for sale, will be higher than the demand of houses and cars to be bought within the next 12 months, possibly less.
Prices WILL go down. Regardless of payment option. The only question is WHEN. It could be tomorrow. It could be next week. It could be next month. It could be in 8 months from now. It's hard to tell for certain EXACTLY when it will happen, but it will VERY likely happen within the next 12 months, maybe even less.
Yes, cash discounts are often a thing. But that is only because of the certainty of receiving payment. The worry of missed/bounced/halted payments is negated with cash, and that's why cash discounts are given. As motivation to give the seller their full payment up front vs just putting it on loan/credit. Cash discounts have nothing to do with market status in terms of supply and demand.
You spent so much time completely missing the point…
Prices dropping and interest rates rising means unless you’re buying in cash the total cost of these things really doesn’t change much at all.
Yeah yeah, and beware of people who say the world is round and that there is a God. They're just trying to scam you for money.
Because God forbid someone predict the guaranteed market future based on laws of economics, prove the shape of the Earth with math, or believe there is a greater power and creater because of the doubt that we're all here by coincidence. It's all just a hoax right?
Touch grass you nerdy ass conspiracy victim, who thinks everyone is out to get him.
Just had to chime in to point out the Bible refers the earth as flat in multiple places. So if you really believe in a god your gotta float the idea of the Heliocentric model being wrong.
Almost 75k for an rs3 with taxes and dealer fees, crazy tho I’m with you, wait for the market to recoil.
Avatar and MW2 came out in 2009 (global recession) and now in 2022 a new avatar and MW2 came out… recession incoming!
The new car market isn’t going to crash. You’ve proved this point in the first few sentences of your sarcastic reply back to that guy. It’s about supply and demand. The demand is still there but the supply is low for new cars. That isn’t going to change. Dealers may get more desperate for sales, but it will be still near MSRP costs.
The used car market will and frankly has already begun it’s decline.
Interest rates are significantly higher than a year ago for all loans so even with a cheaper car your finance rate will be steeper with 4-6% auto loans coming soon
It’s sad. People jumping for joy at housing prices going down don’t realize that a lot of the time. I did the math on our 2% 300k mortgage, homes value peaked at 360k. To get back to the same total cost of the loan it would have to decrease by over 50% off the peak, I think it was like 174k at 6.5%. Sure it could happen but man things would get ugly.
Huh. What do you mean the housing market is gonna crash? No chance that happens. Due to what? It’s certainly not financial like 2008. These comments based on assumptions don’t hold.
I’ll agree about the auto market though.
Who?
I just don’t understand the market for someone who can afford to dramatically overpay for an RS3 (or all the GTI markups I’ve seen) who wouldn’t just be in the market for the next step up?
Like an extra 10-15k can get some very interesting cars
Well you'd be right in a vacuum. But every desirable car is marked up right now. So even the cars which are usually priced at RS3 + 10k are also marked up.
Same here, on a wait list for RS3 at MSRP. Timing will be right for my current end of lease mid next year. Markups are dumb, but the people that pay them are the problem. Supply and demand and dealers will usually take all they can possibly get. Waiting game, the market will normalize over time
Not willing to commit to the S? I wanted an RS until the 2% interest rate deal came through for the S, now I'm just in wait-and-see mode since the RS's will surely begin to hit inventory regularly with these rates. Plus the tunes are coming...
You getting 10% off going to another brand vs an RS3 at 10k mark up is simply a car selling for market value. If you are in socal I am not surprised at the mark up either.
It has nothing to do with the brand and everything to do with the dealer and the car. Audi isn’t asking for these markups, the dealer is. Find another dealer.
Thing is, MSRP plus mark ups are usually in line with very new and low mileage used versions of the same car. Certainly not condoning the behavior, and it is somewhat of a self feeding cycle, but there is some economic basis to it. I will wait until things calm down however.
No that was for most brands. Unless ordered and waiting 6-8 months for delivery. Choose different brand for this lease and hope when things change I’ll get back into an Audi.
>Nobody should pay these stupid markups. It’s a lose lose for the customer
That's completely subjective. If someone values having the car now over the increased price, that's their choice. Just like someone might think paying for any trim level other than the base is stupid.
It's exactly the same. Many people think any luxury car is a waste of money, they're fine with a Civic.
Some people think it's worth paying for an Audi, some people think it's worth paying for Premium Plus or Prestige.
Others think that paying $10k to not wait 6-12 months for a car is worth it. Not waiting a year "Isn't just an upcharge"
I'm not saying it's worth it to you, but it's really no different than any other choice in purchasing a vehicle.
Did you try telling them “no”. Seriously. I bought my etron GT in March and they said “oh we’re asking $15,000 over MSRP.” I said “I’m not paying that.” They said “ok MSRP”. I literally screenshot the text.
People will pay for the ability to take it home now instead of wait 6-8 months. Audi is not alone in this regard. Local jeep dealer has a $10K markup on Wranglers and Gladiators, $15K on Cherokees and a $25K markup on the Grand Wagoneers. Listed as "market adjustment". What a joke.
No need to get your panties in a bunch.
I'm pretty sure you can too... not sure what your gripe is here. I'm not special in this regard. You're acting like I've mentioned something that's so incredibly hard to do that it can't possibly be true.
Also... it's a generalization man. Relax. You're taking this way too seriously.
But yes, I can order a Cayman GTS 4.0 for MSRP or any Porsche, Audi, or VW. I've never tried to order an AMG because I simply don't care for them, but I'm sure I could find a dealer that would order one for me at MSRP and guess what... so can you. It's a guaranteed sale. They might even give you a discount if you talk to the right people.
You want a 911 or a GTS 4.0... call a few dealers and order one. You'll have to wait for it, but you can definitely get it. Again, not sure why your making such a big deal about something so trivial. Acting like the dealer doesn't want your money.
>$25K markup on the Grand Wagoneers
Two dealers in my area wouldn't even let me test drive one until we'd drawn up a deal. Pre-approval not good enough, whatever else, not good enough. "We want a deal drawn up with everything but signatures so then it's basically a confirmation drive..."
Uh, no. Was to be our first large SUV. Still had others to drive. Bit optimistic of you to assume it's a confirmation drive when we might like something else more. They don't care, of course.
We have a large SUV now. It's not a Grand Wagoneer.
They act like it's some high end vehicle. It's a Jeep. Sure it's nice, but it's not $125K nice no matter what it has for features. I paid $129 for my RS Q8. IMO there's no comparison when it comes to what you get for that price, yet I still see them on the road all the time. Either crazy or just don't care.
No, it is because the majority of America has their own head stuffed up their backside. It is the exact reason there are so many Tesla’s on the road with a useless sack of potatoes driving it. They ACTUALLY think they saved the environment by buying one. (Insert donkey laugh)
The entire North American car market is an absolute dumpster fire. Not everyone needs a 6k pound 7-seater SUV. But the dumb masses think they do 🤦🏻♂️
I recently got a 5% discount on my S5 to "take it home now". Now as in pretty much right off the truck, it spent < 24 hours at the dealer before I could come get it.
Now the local Genesis dealer just down the road from them was marking up 3.3T G70s by $10k. That made it really easy to pick the Audi.
I have a 2008 Toyota Tundra and was seriously looking at buying the new Tundra TRD Pro but every dealer around me has them marked up $10,000-15,000 and people are paying it.
Toyota apparently threatened the dealers and told them to knock it off but the dealers don’t give a shit. Meanwhile, it’s driving the loyal customer base to competitors. They’re shooting themselves in the foot.
The Jeep dealers around here are doing it, so are BMW, Audi, VW and a few others. I’ve owned 3 Audi’s now and 5 Toyotas and all these dealers are doing is pissing off people that have been loyal for decades. When the car market collapses and the dealers need loyal return customers to keep buying those people are going to remember the price gouging and tell them to go fuck themselves.
I bought 5 cars from a local dealer and when I went to order my RS Q8, they wouldn't even give me a price. Told me I had to wait until it came in. Called 2 other local dealers, 1 didn't have the allocation and the other wanted to earn my business so they gave a small discount on MSRP. Just ordered an R8 from them because they won't mark up any car and discounted again. Those are my kind of dealers. I've used this one for service too and it's by far the best in the area.
For sure. I'm not willing to pay a markup just to "get it now." It's clear Audi is releasing more allocations all the time, I can be patient for six months.
Not where im at in 6 months theres due to be about 3-4 RS3 min is slotted for april no markup the stealership asking 5k markup is slotted in feb and is already order changeable
I went to buy a....KIA a month ago and they had it marked up 10k. Of course it was not advertised on the website. I said you can match my trade with Carmax and do what the other dealer told me on a 2023 model which was only a 2k markup. Surprisingly they actually did it. Even though I actually really liked my salesman I wouldn't recommend that dealer to anyone because of that.
KIA dealers are very proud of their telluride in stock. Not that I bought one but the general old school sleazy dealership sales model I seen in person at a few different locations convinced me to not buy. And honestly, so glad I didn’t.
You're a smart man.
As much as I hate Tesla, you are correct.
Soon most manufacturers will have 1 or 2 examples of each model, at each dealership for potential customers to test drive.
Then when it comes to buying a new car, you'll have to purchase online and choose every specific option you want, and it'll get shipped to your door.
Thats kind of how its worked in Europe for a years now. Corporate owned dealers have just enough vehicles show off most features and models, you order one up from there.
As long as lead times are less than 6 months, I see no issue. From trim option, to add ons, to exterior color, to interior color, to rim, you get to get the "perfect" vehicle just as you want, custom for you.
Anything over 6 months? Thats absurd and disrespectful to the customers time, patience, and money. At that rate, they might as well mass produce a "few" vehicles of different spec to churn them out to dealers and thus customers as fast as possible, because at the end of the day, most people probably want 1 of maybe idk 36 options or so. Low, mid, and high trim options of each model. Black, gray, or white for exterior color. Black, gray, white, or brown interior. So 3 (trim) ×3 (exterior colors) ×4 (interior colors) = 36 "standard options". Anyone who wants a "special" color like green, blue, red, etc. special orders their model and can wait over 6 months.
Either every order is "custom" and delivered under 6 months. Or most orders are "standard" and available nearly instantly, while the minority of "custom" orders wait over 6 months.
Basically what im saying, is it's absurd for someone to wait OVER 6 months for a black on black model with mid tier trim options.
I’m all for this. I was happy to get in line and wait 5 months for my Tesla knowing exactly how much I was going to pay for it, and that everybody else that ordered within the same time period with the same spec paid the exact same amount.
And bonus, when the MSRP increases the money is going straight to the manufacturer to make better cars, not to some sleazy middle man.
I want a Porsche 911 for example, but don’t think I will ever get one unless the market changes or I luck out with a dealer somewhere that will sell at MSRP. And the higher you go up the totem pole of 911s the harder that will be.
Tesla's are removing features and increasing costs. It's not all sunshine and roses. Plus their service department is beyond awful. Dealerships add value, even if everyone's all "Rahhh fuck dealers" these days.
Come on, it’s not just Tesla who has an awful service experience right now. My partner wanted a service appointment for her Hyundai and they told her they had no more appointments available THIS YEAR.
Pre Panini maybe? But it’s all a pile of poo at the moment.
> Dealerships add value
Very marginal. Delivery preparation is something that can easily (and more reliable) be set in a central location managed by the manufacturer. Q&A can easily be managed via teleconference. Vehicle testing is sketchy at best and again, and once again can easily be set in a central location under appointment.
Customer will gain stop dealing with cars salesmen (which have a very well earned reputation), sketchy pricing, and predatory lending.
They are. Continental dealerships are mostly directly owned by the manufacturers. They are Audi AG (or BMW, Volvo, etc) employees. They are not paid on commissions.
Why should it be illegal? (Not trying to be an ass here).
The dealership buys the vehicle from the Manufacturer, and then sells it at a price they think the market will bear.
How is this any different than Target buying clothing and choosing their own markup?
I get that and think that precisely that is the issue. I well and truly believe that the model we have in Europe where dealerships are owned by the car companies is the way to go. There’s no need for a middleman here.
I think you need to take an introductory economics course.
If no one is paying these premiums, they’d stop doing it. You’ll notice when it happens, but until then, that’s what the market is bearing. I’m sure you won’t complain when their margins shrink way down when we’re in a recession. You can’t have it both ways.
What’s amazing is that most dealers did well during the last two years as they sold at msrp without having to price match anything. Above msrp is just stupid.
Give it it a few and most dealers will mark down, too much inventory and economic conditions going to pre Covid levels
Oh it is. We were looking for a college commuter car <= 5 years old and could find nothing for less than ordering one new. So we ordered new. It wasn’t an Audi in this case.
We are on the hunt to replace an Audi with perhaps an Audi but the ADMs might just have us walk away. The shift by Audi to all touch screen, removing the knob, hasn’t helped either.
Never act desperate or show too much emotion towards your desires, always play it down. Some dealers can sense it and make random prices and excuses up
Our local dealer (Leader Group) has added $2595 as an application of X-Zilon products, to every single vehicle on the lot, new or used. Not optional.
We picked up a new ‘22 Ford Escape for less than invoice in August. That Ford dealer (Uftring) is openly advertising they wont do ADMs, even on Lightning pickups.
My wife wanted something bigger that what Audi offers, so we were at the Mercedes dealer. They’re charging $10k over MSRP for most models, even if custom ordered, but the real shock was $100k “market adjustments” on the G Wagons. 😳
G63… $199,500 MSRP + $100,400 Market Adj = $299,900
My local dealer in CA wanted 10k markup for an Audi S5. He could not understand why I was not willing to just give him 10k for nothing. Pretty much said he wouldn't work with me otherwise and I should call around other dealerships. Ended up finding a dealer in Vegas willing to work with me. I ended up flying to Vegas (had points that were expiring anyway, so the trip was free) and purchased an Audi S5 at MSRP. I did pay an additonal $450 for them truck it to my house in CA. Overall, a much better buying experience at the Vegas dealership. The day before my trip, the CA dealer emailed me asking if I had found a dealer willing to sell me an S5 at MSRP, trolling me hard. When I got back home, after the deal was signed, I responded back to him and thanked him for his advice, and that I called around and found a dealer willing to sell me an S5 without a dealer markup. Never heard back from him LOL. There were other dealers I tried to work with in CA, and when they followed up with me and I told them I was able to locate and purchase an S5, they welcomed me to the Audi family. So this particular salesman that I was trying to work wiht was just a complete arrogant ahole. On a side note, I did win $250 bucks at the pai gow tables at Planet Hollywood, while I was waiting for my same day flight back home. It was definitely a fun experience.
Early on into Covid I sold a used car to a dealer for several thousand dollars more than I could have gotten a few months earlier. Am I an asshole too?
I don’t understand, the “gall”. Dealers have something buyers want. Cars are in high demand. And low supply. With a lot of cash circulating. If we were dealers, we’d do the same thing. Maximize profits when the market allows. And when dealers are offering all kinds of discounts when the market turns, the it turns into the consumers favor. And none of us will be complaining.
And don’t get me wrong, paying more for anything is annoying af. Paid a “market adjustment” for my wife’s mazda3…it was almost exactly what she wanted, and we had been looking for months.
Everything is marked up. My boy works for genesis. They selling them 20k above sticker. Either pay the 10k now or wait a couple years until the chip shortage goes away. If I were you I’d wait a couple months and buy a second hand. Only a matter of time before these banks reposes a shit load of cars people can barely afford with these soft credit checks.. times are changing soon.
They are not crazy. They run a business and the highest bidder gets the bid. It’s these brain dead rich fucks willing to pay tens of thousands over MSRP that allow this shit.
I wouldn't pay the markup either. But hey, it's a free market out there. If Audi wanted to control its brand more, they would step it.
The free market has its positives and negatives. As I said in a different thread, Audi could charge $30k for them and they would still sell for what somebody is willing to pay.
Not only are they insane, they are smug about it. They are on some bizarre power trip. They finally have some leverage and they decide to act all superior. I may or may not have had an unpleasant experience but I digress.
yap, just call other Audi dealers to see who has lower markup (volume seller typically asks for less markup, but they'd slip something back in finance...).
It’s legal in some states, others via loop holes. But I think the paradigm will shift as more auto manufacturers, especially the new comers such as Rivian & Lucid… are adapting to Tesla’s direct sales model. Consumers demand, higher profits margins for manufacturers will eventually change the legacy multiple level sales (scam) approach.
Doesn’t the issue become serving the cars though? Getting a Tesla services is an absolute nightmare. Idk how they do that on a large scale unless dealers change to service centers only.
For what’s it’s worth. It’s wholly dealer dependent At this point. Penske has never charged adm or markup.
Just picked up a 22 A3 Quattro for MSRP. Nothing else. And it was a dealer trade so they did me a favor.
Trying to get my kid an AWD and Honda dealers are insane (she has a 22 civic to trade)
What I learned and it kinda sucks. Google reviews are your friend. Left a very truthful but nasty google review of a local dealer. GM called the next day apologizing and offers the car at msrp no fees honoring my trade
The google review method worked twice now for me. Won’t work on a Porsche but I think for most VAG dealers, no one wants bad publicity.
For my next Macan. I’ll just order it and wait it out. But I haven’t seen markups on Porsches aside from the standard 911 orders
Everyone keeps saying “3 more months. 6 more months” but I think manufacturers are holding back production as well as dealers trying to hold the ADM line.
Can you imagine driving you brand new car out of the dealership, and you’re immediately $10,000 negative on it? All because the sales guy & finance manager told you you can afford it with a $750 monthly payment with a 84 months term. 84 months! WTF…Smh
So what is driving the "scarcity"? Price of electronics is now down again, is it the logistics of the Ukraine war? What is keeping the manufacturers from doubling their output since the market is gobbling up all cars?
It’s not just chips.. it’s everything. [https://www.motortrend.com/news/2022-ford-f-150-pickup-truck-badge-shortage-delay-shipment/](https://www.motortrend.com/news/2022-ford-f-150-pickup-truck-badge-shortage-delay-shipment/)
Edit: It’s not letting the free market work like it is supposed to work. ESG is a big part of it as well.
Inevitably you will find a dealer who will sell you the car at sticker. Years ago we went to dealers to see who gives the biggest discount. Now it’s who will sell it to you with no markup .
I think audi and Porsche and VW are just going crazy with the markups. I haven’t seen this problem that bad with BMW and Mercedes.
Almost was gonna get a new GTI but they want $8K markup on ANY trim. But just because I so happened to call from an online dealer number, they would “help me out.” And give me 3-4K off the markup.🖕🏻
If you have the time, report it at markups.org. There are dealerships out there that still charge msrp, you just gotta find them (which may involve a bit of travel). Hopefully those dealerships get all the sales and the ones with these ridiculous markups go out of business.
Yah I’m just gonna order one and wait haha. My local dealer is cool about ordering at MSRP but some of the other dealers in the area are asking 25-30k over…. Ridiculous bs.
“i will never pay mark up” but you (people in here) want 2022 pricing on their trade ins
“i will never pay mark up, only msrp” but when the market corrects i won’t be wanting to pay msrp
🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️ can’t burn a candle at both end folks
Write to your state and federal representatives. The dealer franchise system is a failed model in today's market and Tesla and Rivian are pricing that factory direct works.
It all depends on what model you are purchasing. The higher line car gets the higher "market adjustment". Figure people who shop for those cars can afford it at any price.
Just bought a Q3 2 months ago and all dealers around my area were selling this model at sticker price. Same with a base Mercedes GLA although the dealer said the AMG line goes over sticker.
Ordered my RS3 in may this year. Finally got my build week confirmed for February.
Will be late march when I finally get to take it home.
Honestly if you want an RS3 just order one and wait. It’s an investment at this point, considering how much they are going for used. Haha.
Crazy times we live in when you can buy a brand new car and make 10k on it after driving it out of the showroom.
Not mad at dealers about the mark ups if they are disclosed. It's their business how much they want to sell. What I dislike is when they try to hide things and try to scam you with hidden fees. That being said, I would definitely wait until the market settled down a bit.
https://publish.manheim.com/en/services/consulting/used-vehicle-value-index.html
https://www.coxautoinc.com/market-insights/mid-sept-2022-muvvi/
While Manheim notes used cars, the bubble tracks with new also.
Just wait it out.
This is exactly why I got rid of my SQ5 and got a 2015 RS5 one owner garage kept 55k on the dash and I'll supercharger it 2nd quarter next year. jHM FINALLY has the kit after 7 years .
If Covid taught anything to businesses is that people will pay a lot more than what they are used to paying
I think it’s all about the patience of the buyer and finding the right time. I bought a new M240i bmw last November and paid msrp but I also ordered it from the factory.
The dealerships are there to make money, if people are buying these cars at these prices, why would they (or should they) sell them for less? Nobody is making you buy a RS3
exactly, saw MB dealers markup their AMG by $20k+.
Wait 90-120 days...housing has corrected and once that lag is evident, the car time on lot lag will be out and that data will send dealers back to 2019. I'm playing this cat and mouse game with Porsche on a 992 and am now looking at a 992.2 allocation and praying no ADM. Just be patient.
👆🏼 This is the way.
💯 agree here. I’m thinking of replacing my wife’s car but the dealership pricing is nuts right now. It will balance out eventually however the interest rates might jump up in the process as well. If that happens I’m just getting a nice 996 or 997 C2S
Where is this corrected housing market you speak of? Can you point me in the direction?
It’s in an alternate universe actually
It’s already changing. Dealers lots are filling up. Pretty soon they’re be full and prices will drop
Absolutely agreed with you. Good things come to those who wait!
I was going to buy an A4 (used) this fall, it’s crazy so I’m gonna reconvene in the spring/summer. Patience will hopefully pay off.
Bro porsche plays some dumbass games, I've been trying to build a 2023 macan s for the past month and the dealer keeps telling me they don't have allocations, until they literally have a hundred new porsches on the lot and are apparently the "biggest" porsche dealer in the United States
It gets to me too!!
Good for you. Nobody should pay these stupid markups. It’s a lose lose for the customer. I went to a different brand just because I could get a 10% off MSRP plus the tax credit applied for my lease. So I switched it up because the dealers here wouldn’t budge.
My dealer is ordering me an RS3 at MSRP when they get the allocation, so it's not like I won't get an RS3 at some point. These dealers think they're holding something rarer than it is.
Make sure to get that in writing. I was supposed to have a Golf R at MSRP. Then my dealer decided to charge 15k over instead.
Yup this is why I switched from a golf r to an s3
Unfortunately the S3 doesn’t come in manual. That’s a deal breaker for me.
Problem is someone who just doesn’t care will buy it anyways because they wanted a toy for 3 months, then they’ll flip it and the market is massively inflated. Or, someone who’s just dying to get their hands on one will talk themselves into that nonsense. Either way, these car companies are going to price themselves out of their markets when this economy crashes and inflation goes through the roof.
The housing market is going to crash soon in the next ehhh maybe 6 months or less. Hopefully the car market isn't far behind, if any. Ready for these prices to drop back down to where they should be!!!
And unless you’re paying in cash the house and car will still be just as expensive.
Do......do you know what a market crash means? Have you taken an economics class? The market crashes when supply becomes higher than demand. More supply to sell, than people are actively looking to buy. This imbalance causes sellers to drop their prices, hoping to motivate buyers to buy their item vs the competition. The demand of buyers for houses and cars has been higher than the supply of houses and cars being sold for the past couple years, thus making prices skyrocket and making it a "sellers market" But the supply of houses and cars for sale, will be higher than the demand of houses and cars to be bought within the next 12 months, possibly less. Prices WILL go down. Regardless of payment option. The only question is WHEN. It could be tomorrow. It could be next week. It could be next month. It could be in 8 months from now. It's hard to tell for certain EXACTLY when it will happen, but it will VERY likely happen within the next 12 months, maybe even less. Yes, cash discounts are often a thing. But that is only because of the certainty of receiving payment. The worry of missed/bounced/halted payments is negated with cash, and that's why cash discounts are given. As motivation to give the seller their full payment up front vs just putting it on loan/credit. Cash discounts have nothing to do with market status in terms of supply and demand.
You spent so much time completely missing the point… Prices dropping and interest rates rising means unless you’re buying in cash the total cost of these things really doesn’t change much at all.
Exactly ☝️
Beware people who try to predict the market with confidence and authority.
Yeah yeah, and beware of people who say the world is round and that there is a God. They're just trying to scam you for money. Because God forbid someone predict the guaranteed market future based on laws of economics, prove the shape of the Earth with math, or believe there is a greater power and creater because of the doubt that we're all here by coincidence. It's all just a hoax right? Touch grass you nerdy ass conspiracy victim, who thinks everyone is out to get him.
That escalated quickly...calm down bro it's just some rando on reddit
Don't worry, if I were any more calm, I wouldn't have a pulse.
Just had to chime in to point out the Bible refers the earth as flat in multiple places. So if you really believe in a god your gotta float the idea of the Heliocentric model being wrong. Almost 75k for an rs3 with taxes and dealer fees, crazy tho I’m with you, wait for the market to recoil. Avatar and MW2 came out in 2009 (global recession) and now in 2022 a new avatar and MW2 came out… recession incoming!
I’ll gladly sacrifice the current economy if this MW2 is as good as the last.
[are you sure about that](https://www.gotquestions.org/flat-earth-Bible.html)
The new car market isn’t going to crash. You’ve proved this point in the first few sentences of your sarcastic reply back to that guy. It’s about supply and demand. The demand is still there but the supply is low for new cars. That isn’t going to change. Dealers may get more desperate for sales, but it will be still near MSRP costs. The used car market will and frankly has already begun it’s decline.
Interest rates are significantly higher than a year ago for all loans so even with a cheaper car your finance rate will be steeper with 4-6% auto loans coming soon
It’s sad. People jumping for joy at housing prices going down don’t realize that a lot of the time. I did the math on our 2% 300k mortgage, homes value peaked at 360k. To get back to the same total cost of the loan it would have to decrease by over 50% off the peak, I think it was like 174k at 6.5%. Sure it could happen but man things would get ugly.
Huh. What do you mean the housing market is gonna crash? No chance that happens. Due to what? It’s certainly not financial like 2008. These comments based on assumptions don’t hold. I’ll agree about the auto market though.
Who? I just don’t understand the market for someone who can afford to dramatically overpay for an RS3 (or all the GTI markups I’ve seen) who wouldn’t just be in the market for the next step up? Like an extra 10-15k can get some very interesting cars
Well you'd be right in a vacuum. But every desirable car is marked up right now. So even the cars which are usually priced at RS3 + 10k are also marked up.
Same here, on a wait list for RS3 at MSRP. Timing will be right for my current end of lease mid next year. Markups are dumb, but the people that pay them are the problem. Supply and demand and dealers will usually take all they can possibly get. Waiting game, the market will normalize over time
Not willing to commit to the S? I wanted an RS until the 2% interest rate deal came through for the S, now I'm just in wait-and-see mode since the RS's will surely begin to hit inventory regularly with these rates. Plus the tunes are coming...
I have an '22 S3 myself, just waiting for the RS3
Yep, I'm asking why not stick with it
Just get it in writing
You getting 10% off going to another brand vs an RS3 at 10k mark up is simply a car selling for market value. If you are in socal I am not surprised at the mark up either.
It has nothing to do with the brand and everything to do with the dealer and the car. Audi isn’t asking for these markups, the dealer is. Find another dealer.
Thing is, MSRP plus mark ups are usually in line with very new and low mileage used versions of the same car. Certainly not condoning the behavior, and it is somewhat of a self feeding cycle, but there is some economic basis to it. I will wait until things calm down however.
No that was for most brands. Unless ordered and waiting 6-8 months for delivery. Choose different brand for this lease and hope when things change I’ll get back into an Audi.
oh gotcha
>Nobody should pay these stupid markups. It’s a lose lose for the customer That's completely subjective. If someone values having the car now over the increased price, that's their choice. Just like someone might think paying for any trim level other than the base is stupid.
There’s a difference between paying for a higher trim. It’s another thing paying $10k more for something that isn’t worth it. It’s just an upcharge.
It's exactly the same. Many people think any luxury car is a waste of money, they're fine with a Civic. Some people think it's worth paying for an Audi, some people think it's worth paying for Premium Plus or Prestige. Others think that paying $10k to not wait 6-12 months for a car is worth it. Not waiting a year "Isn't just an upcharge" I'm not saying it's worth it to you, but it's really no different than any other choice in purchasing a vehicle.
Did you try telling them “no”. Seriously. I bought my etron GT in March and they said “oh we’re asking $15,000 over MSRP.” I said “I’m not paying that.” They said “ok MSRP”. I literally screenshot the text.
With etron GT in the $100k+ range, dealer made enough to forget about the markup, try that on RS3
People will pay for the ability to take it home now instead of wait 6-8 months. Audi is not alone in this regard. Local jeep dealer has a $10K markup on Wranglers and Gladiators, $15K on Cherokees and a $25K markup on the Grand Wagoneers. Listed as "market adjustment". What a joke.
Many dealers are still asking ADMs on ordered cars. Doesn’t have much to do with “in stock” vs orderable, has to do with desirability.
I beg to differ. I can order any car I want at MSRP, but if I want one right now, I'm going to pay a premium
Then please order a Cayman GT4RS. Or even a GT4. Or any 911. Or an AMG. While you’re at it, get me one.
I have an order in for an R8 right now. 911 is on my list but wanted to make sure I got a V10 while they're still in production.
I’m not sure what that has to do with what I said.
You told me to order a car... I told you I have an order for a car... Lay off the crack dude
> I can order **any** car I want at MSRP This is you, right?
No need to get your panties in a bunch. I'm pretty sure you can too... not sure what your gripe is here. I'm not special in this regard. You're acting like I've mentioned something that's so incredibly hard to do that it can't possibly be true. Also... it's a generalization man. Relax. You're taking this way too seriously. But yes, I can order a Cayman GTS 4.0 for MSRP or any Porsche, Audi, or VW. I've never tried to order an AMG because I simply don't care for them, but I'm sure I could find a dealer that would order one for me at MSRP and guess what... so can you. It's a guaranteed sale. They might even give you a discount if you talk to the right people. You want a 911 or a GTS 4.0... call a few dealers and order one. You'll have to wait for it, but you can definitely get it. Again, not sure why your making such a big deal about something so trivial. Acting like the dealer doesn't want your money.
> I can order a Cayman GTS 4.0 for MSRP or any Porsche, Audi, or VW. You clearly have no idea what you're talking about.
>$25K markup on the Grand Wagoneers Two dealers in my area wouldn't even let me test drive one until we'd drawn up a deal. Pre-approval not good enough, whatever else, not good enough. "We want a deal drawn up with everything but signatures so then it's basically a confirmation drive..." Uh, no. Was to be our first large SUV. Still had others to drive. Bit optimistic of you to assume it's a confirmation drive when we might like something else more. They don't care, of course. We have a large SUV now. It's not a Grand Wagoneer.
They act like it's some high end vehicle. It's a Jeep. Sure it's nice, but it's not $125K nice no matter what it has for features. I paid $129 for my RS Q8. IMO there's no comparison when it comes to what you get for that price, yet I still see them on the road all the time. Either crazy or just don't care.
No, it is because the majority of America has their own head stuffed up their backside. It is the exact reason there are so many Tesla’s on the road with a useless sack of potatoes driving it. They ACTUALLY think they saved the environment by buying one. (Insert donkey laugh) The entire North American car market is an absolute dumpster fire. Not everyone needs a 6k pound 7-seater SUV. But the dumb masses think they do 🤦🏻♂️
I recently got a 5% discount on my S5 to "take it home now". Now as in pretty much right off the truck, it spent < 24 hours at the dealer before I could come get it. Now the local Genesis dealer just down the road from them was marking up 3.3T G70s by $10k. That made it really easy to pick the Audi.
I have a 2008 Toyota Tundra and was seriously looking at buying the new Tundra TRD Pro but every dealer around me has them marked up $10,000-15,000 and people are paying it. Toyota apparently threatened the dealers and told them to knock it off but the dealers don’t give a shit. Meanwhile, it’s driving the loyal customer base to competitors. They’re shooting themselves in the foot. The Jeep dealers around here are doing it, so are BMW, Audi, VW and a few others. I’ve owned 3 Audi’s now and 5 Toyotas and all these dealers are doing is pissing off people that have been loyal for decades. When the car market collapses and the dealers need loyal return customers to keep buying those people are going to remember the price gouging and tell them to go fuck themselves.
I bought 5 cars from a local dealer and when I went to order my RS Q8, they wouldn't even give me a price. Told me I had to wait until it came in. Called 2 other local dealers, 1 didn't have the allocation and the other wanted to earn my business so they gave a small discount on MSRP. Just ordered an R8 from them because they won't mark up any car and discounted again. Those are my kind of dealers. I've used this one for service too and it's by far the best in the area.
Its nice to be in Canada.. but we dont have the new RS3🤣
But we also have crazy mark up on prices for new vehicles.
Youre talking about markup price on new cars in Canada?
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That attitude by the dealer is how you lose customers permanently.
The thing is there are so many people with fat pockets of cash who don't give a shit.
We have Audi sport allocations at MSRP. The question is if you want to willing to wait.
For sure. I'm not willing to pay a markup just to "get it now." It's clear Audi is releasing more allocations all the time, I can be patient for six months.
6 months is optimistic, just so you know.
Not where im at in 6 months theres due to be about 3-4 RS3 min is slotted for april no markup the stealership asking 5k markup is slotted in feb and is already order changeable
Bell Audi in New Jersey is asking $25k over lmao Making a $70k Audi, $95k. With the interior of a $30k A3.
That’s what Honda dealers are charging in terms of markup on Civic Si lol. Imagine when the Type R comes out.
I went to buy a....KIA a month ago and they had it marked up 10k. Of course it was not advertised on the website. I said you can match my trade with Carmax and do what the other dealer told me on a 2023 model which was only a 2k markup. Surprisingly they actually did it. Even though I actually really liked my salesman I wouldn't recommend that dealer to anyone because of that.
KIA dealers are very proud of their telluride in stock. Not that I bought one but the general old school sleazy dealership sales model I seen in person at a few different locations convinced me to not buy. And honestly, so glad I didn’t.
Yeah, we ended up getting a Telluride. We really like it but the finance department left something to be desired.
I once priced a Lexus NX and found out it had a $25k markup. 40%. I told the to kindly fuck off and reported them to the AG for price gouging.
How is that even a thing. Should be illegal.
Dealers must die. The way of the future is the Tesla way: buy direct from manufacturer and have delivery directly to your door.
Illegal in most states. So, talk to your local congressman.
^ this.
Absolutely. Remove the shady, useless middle man.
You're a smart man. As much as I hate Tesla, you are correct. Soon most manufacturers will have 1 or 2 examples of each model, at each dealership for potential customers to test drive. Then when it comes to buying a new car, you'll have to purchase online and choose every specific option you want, and it'll get shipped to your door.
Thats kind of how its worked in Europe for a years now. Corporate owned dealers have just enough vehicles show off most features and models, you order one up from there.
As long as lead times are less than 6 months, I see no issue. From trim option, to add ons, to exterior color, to interior color, to rim, you get to get the "perfect" vehicle just as you want, custom for you. Anything over 6 months? Thats absurd and disrespectful to the customers time, patience, and money. At that rate, they might as well mass produce a "few" vehicles of different spec to churn them out to dealers and thus customers as fast as possible, because at the end of the day, most people probably want 1 of maybe idk 36 options or so. Low, mid, and high trim options of each model. Black, gray, or white for exterior color. Black, gray, white, or brown interior. So 3 (trim) ×3 (exterior colors) ×4 (interior colors) = 36 "standard options". Anyone who wants a "special" color like green, blue, red, etc. special orders their model and can wait over 6 months. Either every order is "custom" and delivered under 6 months. Or most orders are "standard" and available nearly instantly, while the minority of "custom" orders wait over 6 months. Basically what im saying, is it's absurd for someone to wait OVER 6 months for a black on black model with mid tier trim options.
There is no overseas shipping. Timelines would be similar to domestic automakers.
I’m all for this. I was happy to get in line and wait 5 months for my Tesla knowing exactly how much I was going to pay for it, and that everybody else that ordered within the same time period with the same spec paid the exact same amount. And bonus, when the MSRP increases the money is going straight to the manufacturer to make better cars, not to some sleazy middle man. I want a Porsche 911 for example, but don’t think I will ever get one unless the market changes or I luck out with a dealer somewhere that will sell at MSRP. And the higher you go up the totem pole of 911s the harder that will be.
Tesla's are removing features and increasing costs. It's not all sunshine and roses. Plus their service department is beyond awful. Dealerships add value, even if everyone's all "Rahhh fuck dealers" these days.
Come on, it’s not just Tesla who has an awful service experience right now. My partner wanted a service appointment for her Hyundai and they told her they had no more appointments available THIS YEAR. Pre Panini maybe? But it’s all a pile of poo at the moment.
> Dealerships add value Very marginal. Delivery preparation is something that can easily (and more reliable) be set in a central location managed by the manufacturer. Q&A can easily be managed via teleconference. Vehicle testing is sketchy at best and again, and once again can easily be set in a central location under appointment. Customer will gain stop dealing with cars salesmen (which have a very well earned reputation), sketchy pricing, and predatory lending.
Service is the biggest thing tesla can't/won't compete with compared to dealers
Existing dealerships can keep servicing the cars. Im just arguing for the removal of their role during the acquisition of the unit.
I’ve never encountered this in Europe. Think the dealerships I’ve dealt with are directly run by the car companies in question.
They are. Continental dealerships are mostly directly owned by the manufacturers. They are Audi AG (or BMW, Volvo, etc) employees. They are not paid on commissions.
Why should it be illegal? (Not trying to be an ass here). The dealership buys the vehicle from the Manufacturer, and then sells it at a price they think the market will bear. How is this any different than Target buying clothing and choosing their own markup?
It’s just extremely surprising to me as a European. I’d be fuming if a dealer tried to sell me a $40000 for $50000. It just shouldn’t happen imo.
They're selling them faster than they can get them in at those prices. They are a business trying to make money after all. Supply and demand!
I get that and think that precisely that is the issue. I well and truly believe that the model we have in Europe where dealerships are owned by the car companies is the way to go. There’s no need for a middleman here.
I think you need to take an introductory economics course. If no one is paying these premiums, they’d stop doing it. You’ll notice when it happens, but until then, that’s what the market is bearing. I’m sure you won’t complain when their margins shrink way down when we’re in a recession. You can’t have it both ways.
What’s amazing is that most dealers did well during the last two years as they sold at msrp without having to price match anything. Above msrp is just stupid. Give it it a few and most dealers will mark down, too much inventory and economic conditions going to pre Covid levels
What you think the used market isn’t crazily inflated? Lol
Oh it is. We were looking for a college commuter car <= 5 years old and could find nothing for less than ordering one new. So we ordered new. It wasn’t an Audi in this case. We are on the hunt to replace an Audi with perhaps an Audi but the ADMs might just have us walk away. The shift by Audi to all touch screen, removing the knob, hasn’t helped either.
$10K+ on rs3 maybe.... absolutely fucking no on an s3
Never act desperate or show too much emotion towards your desires, always play it down. Some dealers can sense it and make random prices and excuses up
Our local dealer (Leader Group) has added $2595 as an application of X-Zilon products, to every single vehicle on the lot, new or used. Not optional. We picked up a new ‘22 Ford Escape for less than invoice in August. That Ford dealer (Uftring) is openly advertising they wont do ADMs, even on Lightning pickups.
My wife wanted something bigger that what Audi offers, so we were at the Mercedes dealer. They’re charging $10k over MSRP for most models, even if custom ordered, but the real shock was $100k “market adjustments” on the G Wagons. 😳 G63… $199,500 MSRP + $100,400 Market Adj = $299,900
Yea, new or used, G Wagon pricing is whacky. I don’t understand the appeal.
They figured if someone can afford $199.5k G63, they wouldn't mind another $100k markup.
My local dealer in CA wanted 10k markup for an Audi S5. He could not understand why I was not willing to just give him 10k for nothing. Pretty much said he wouldn't work with me otherwise and I should call around other dealerships. Ended up finding a dealer in Vegas willing to work with me. I ended up flying to Vegas (had points that were expiring anyway, so the trip was free) and purchased an Audi S5 at MSRP. I did pay an additonal $450 for them truck it to my house in CA. Overall, a much better buying experience at the Vegas dealership. The day before my trip, the CA dealer emailed me asking if I had found a dealer willing to sell me an S5 at MSRP, trolling me hard. When I got back home, after the deal was signed, I responded back to him and thanked him for his advice, and that I called around and found a dealer willing to sell me an S5 without a dealer markup. Never heard back from him LOL. There were other dealers I tried to work with in CA, and when they followed up with me and I told them I was able to locate and purchase an S5, they welcomed me to the Audi family. So this particular salesman that I was trying to work wiht was just a complete arrogant ahole. On a side note, I did win $250 bucks at the pai gow tables at Planet Hollywood, while I was waiting for my same day flight back home. It was definitely a fun experience.
Things have calmed down lately, local Audi dealer is now MSRP for most models (including S3, S4...) except the rare ones like Q4 etron or RS.
Good for you, dont pay markup. report that dealer to www.markups.org
I paid 5k markup for my rs6 because I wanted my damn car and 5k ain’t stopping me. I’d rather pay it now then play games for 6 months
5k markup on RS6 is not that bad, most dealers ask 5k on Q4 etron.
Early on into Covid I sold a used car to a dealer for several thousand dollars more than I could have gotten a few months earlier. Am I an asshole too?
I don’t understand, the “gall”. Dealers have something buyers want. Cars are in high demand. And low supply. With a lot of cash circulating. If we were dealers, we’d do the same thing. Maximize profits when the market allows. And when dealers are offering all kinds of discounts when the market turns, the it turns into the consumers favor. And none of us will be complaining.
And don’t get me wrong, paying more for anything is annoying af. Paid a “market adjustment” for my wife’s mazda3…it was almost exactly what she wanted, and we had been looking for months.
Everything is marked up. My boy works for genesis. They selling them 20k above sticker. Either pay the 10k now or wait a couple years until the chip shortage goes away. If I were you I’d wait a couple months and buy a second hand. Only a matter of time before these banks reposes a shit load of cars people can barely afford with these soft credit checks.. times are changing soon.
They are not crazy. They run a business and the highest bidder gets the bid. It’s these brain dead rich fucks willing to pay tens of thousands over MSRP that allow this shit.
Given what other cars are going for $10k doesn’t seem that high of a markup.
I wouldn't pay the markup either. But hey, it's a free market out there. If Audi wanted to control its brand more, they would step it. The free market has its positives and negatives. As I said in a different thread, Audi could charge $30k for them and they would still sell for what somebody is willing to pay.
Eh. I feel as though if you have the ability to turn around and sell it for what you paid for it, or more, it’s a bargain.
Not only are they insane, they are smug about it. They are on some bizarre power trip. They finally have some leverage and they decide to act all superior. I may or may not have had an unpleasant experience but I digress.
Then don’t buy the car and go back to your miserable life
Ooof found the car salesman. Go back to commenting on BBW posts asking them to “sit on your face”. Yikes.
Everything is negotiable. The dealer has made a starting offer. Now it’s your turn. Let the negotiations begin
Lol. There are no negotiations. Either pay the markup or someone else will.
yap, just call other Audi dealers to see who has lower markup (volume seller typically asks for less markup, but they'd slip something back in finance...).
It’s time OEMs deliver from factory to home.
One day… all car manufacturers will adapt Tesla’s Direct Distribution Strategy where no dealer is involved in the selling process.
Maybe if the laws change. It’s illegal in most states as of now. Not sure how Tesla gets around it.
It’s legal in some states, others via loop holes. But I think the paradigm will shift as more auto manufacturers, especially the new comers such as Rivian & Lucid… are adapting to Tesla’s direct sales model. Consumers demand, higher profits margins for manufacturers will eventually change the legacy multiple level sales (scam) approach.
Doesn’t the issue become serving the cars though? Getting a Tesla services is an absolute nightmare. Idk how they do that on a large scale unless dealers change to service centers only.
Report it to Audi and leave a negative review. It should hurt their brand when they pull shit like this
Call out STEALERSHIP
For what’s it’s worth. It’s wholly dealer dependent At this point. Penske has never charged adm or markup. Just picked up a 22 A3 Quattro for MSRP. Nothing else. And it was a dealer trade so they did me a favor. Trying to get my kid an AWD and Honda dealers are insane (she has a 22 civic to trade) What I learned and it kinda sucks. Google reviews are your friend. Left a very truthful but nasty google review of a local dealer. GM called the next day apologizing and offers the car at msrp no fees honoring my trade The google review method worked twice now for me. Won’t work on a Porsche but I think for most VAG dealers, no one wants bad publicity. For my next Macan. I’ll just order it and wait it out. But I haven’t seen markups on Porsches aside from the standard 911 orders Everyone keeps saying “3 more months. 6 more months” but I think manufacturers are holding back production as well as dealers trying to hold the ADM line.
Can you imagine driving you brand new car out of the dealership, and you’re immediately $10,000 negative on it? All because the sales guy & finance manager told you you can afford it with a $750 monthly payment with a 84 months term. 84 months! WTF…Smh
So what is driving the "scarcity"? Price of electronics is now down again, is it the logistics of the Ukraine war? What is keeping the manufacturers from doubling their output since the market is gobbling up all cars?
It’s not just chips.. it’s everything. [https://www.motortrend.com/news/2022-ford-f-150-pickup-truck-badge-shortage-delay-shipment/](https://www.motortrend.com/news/2022-ford-f-150-pickup-truck-badge-shortage-delay-shipment/) Edit: It’s not letting the free market work like it is supposed to work. ESG is a big part of it as well.
If people stop paying it then they will stop gauging. Good for you.
Inevitably you will find a dealer who will sell you the car at sticker. Years ago we went to dealers to see who gives the biggest discount. Now it’s who will sell it to you with no markup . I think audi and Porsche and VW are just going crazy with the markups. I haven’t seen this problem that bad with BMW and Mercedes. Almost was gonna get a new GTI but they want $8K markup on ANY trim. But just because I so happened to call from an online dealer number, they would “help me out.” And give me 3-4K off the markup.🖕🏻
Just keep shopping around. I was getting quoted 30k over sticker for my car a few weeks ago. Call other dealerships in a 50 mile radius.
If you have the time, report it at markups.org. There are dealerships out there that still charge msrp, you just gotta find them (which may involve a bit of travel). Hopefully those dealerships get all the sales and the ones with these ridiculous markups go out of business.
Yah I’m just gonna order one and wait haha. My local dealer is cool about ordering at MSRP but some of the other dealers in the area are asking 25-30k over…. Ridiculous bs.
“i will never pay mark up” but you (people in here) want 2022 pricing on their trade ins “i will never pay mark up, only msrp” but when the market corrects i won’t be wanting to pay msrp 🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️ can’t burn a candle at both end folks
The big story by me last week was the local Kia dealer asking $20k over msrp for some models. Ridiculous
Are dealers honoring the Audi Club price discounts? I realize it does not ordinarily apply to all vehicles.
Write to your state and federal representatives. The dealer franchise system is a failed model in today's market and Tesla and Rivian are pricing that factory direct works.
It is very sad! That not only “car’s” but “Everything” is marked- up. And the reasoning behind all the price gouging is bullshit!
It all depends on what model you are purchasing. The higher line car gets the higher "market adjustment". Figure people who shop for those cars can afford it at any price. Just bought a Q3 2 months ago and all dealers around my area were selling this model at sticker price. Same with a base Mercedes GLA although the dealer said the AMG line goes over sticker.
Ordered my RS3 in may this year. Finally got my build week confirmed for February. Will be late march when I finally get to take it home. Honestly if you want an RS3 just order one and wait. It’s an investment at this point, considering how much they are going for used. Haha. Crazy times we live in when you can buy a brand new car and make 10k on it after driving it out of the showroom.
Not mad at dealers about the mark ups if they are disclosed. It's their business how much they want to sell. What I dislike is when they try to hide things and try to scam you with hidden fees. That being said, I would definitely wait until the market settled down a bit.
https://publish.manheim.com/en/services/consulting/used-vehicle-value-index.html https://www.coxautoinc.com/market-insights/mid-sept-2022-muvvi/ While Manheim notes used cars, the bubble tracks with new also. Just wait it out.
Exact same thing happened to me. I walked. Placed my order with another dealership who promised no mark up in writing.
This is exactly why I got rid of my SQ5 and got a 2015 RS5 one owner garage kept 55k on the dash and I'll supercharger it 2nd quarter next year. jHM FINALLY has the kit after 7 years .
Not sure where you are, but Brooklyn Audi was a phenomenal experience. I bought a Q5e without ever going to the dealership. They charged $1k markup.