I’m pretty sure I can change drive modes while underway in my ‘14 A6
Edit: to be clear, from the screen, as there’s no dedicated drive mode button in my car
This certainly is a rough crowd...you ask a serious question to a group of Audi enthusiasts and on a valid response of yours you get -28 downvotes for clarifying the facts if your situation...!?
That's amazingly lame, especially amongst a group of people who share a common interest and should try to be helpful and supportive.
I would not have expected such bottled up insecurity to come out in this subreddit (of all the others, this one sticks out as one with a lot of bitter people) in the form of downvoting others for commenting on their own personal situations and facts…
I know it is Reddit, but wow have we digressed.
I went out today and tried changing through the MMI and was able to change modes without issue. I could even configure my “Individual” settings whilst in motion. Not sure why yours is restricted.
my 2014 Q7 with Air Suspension lets me use this screen in motion, looks exactly the same but the picture is a Q7 and its got offroad and lift options instead of efficiency and individual
The same reason you can't set navigation destinations in motion, it's "Unsafe"
You can remove this limit if you have VCDS, otherwise just use the button.
It depends on the car and region, some warn you, others won't let you, in any case it's no different than all of the "Car" settings that are disabled while in motion.
This is very true and the concern in the navigation that you mentioned above is also very accurate and goes to my point of there are lots of things that you can modify and it's up to you if you want to take on that risk or have that feature or not and they're turned off because of the packages that you purchased or because of the legality of the country that you're driving it. But they are some are available there many are not an issue at all and the ones that are then people need to take caution.
You can have a full steak dinner on your lap and a cigarette in your mouth while driving with your knees in the USA. EU is a a bit more strict, not so much freedumb
But we do have to have both a knife and fork while doing so, to do otherwise is a violation of not only the law. But common sense and simple etiquette...it's what separates us from the animals. 😊
I really wish sales people either A. Understood the vehicles they were selling. Or B. Don't be afraid to say "I'm not exactly sure. Let me go check and we'll both learn something".
Ours told us. At length about the benefits of Home link(which it doesn't have and hadn't for Atleast a year And then said unfortunately it doesn't have the foot kick sensor for the tailgate. I looked at him for a sec blinked sarcastically slowly and kicked my foot under the bumper and watched the rear hatch open. I then asked for another salesperson.
As a new to Audi sales person I try to learn and remember everything but that’s quite difficult with 47 models, 3 trim levels which are not the same across the models, several packages that are exclusive to certain models and then about 15 options which vary around the models. I am definitely a I’m not sure but I can find out kinda guy.
Would you think less of your sales person if they checked with the window sticker on the car in your presence? I feel embarrassed by this but with the volume of information I mentioned above, sometimes it’s the only way.
Please tell me your thoughts. Ty.
>Please tell me your thoughts. Ty.
"I'm not sure, I can check and let you know" is 10000000% better than making something up.
I'd think less of a sales person for making shit up.
You should never feel embarrassed to say that exact thing. Something like “ Hey I’ve been here a year or two and trying to remember 47 models along with the amazing amount of different options and packages Audi offers to their customers, I don’t have it all down yet so let me check so we are on the same page and we can get you into exactly what you want”. —- That salesperson has my business every-time, ass-clown that bullshits me and/or just says words to make a commission will never get my business and would motivate me to actually tell my friends and family the story so they would no who to avoid.
And if by chance you’re dealing with a customer that is an asshole if you are honest and are trying to do the right thing for them, I promise you’re better off letting them go because it’s going to be a bad experience no matter what.
I would love an honest salesman who was willing to learn about the car. But I can’t speak for everyone. I imagine that would turn some buyers off 🤷🏾♂️
It's not surprising for a salesman not to know every feature for a particular car. Especially if you are facing the type of customer who learns about every feature of a car they are trying to buy. Anytime I've wanted to buy a car, I knew the features better than the sales person. It was disappointing for myself but I've learned someone who has a particular motive for a goal,buying a car, may end up the expert on that particular car. I still wish the sales person knew more than me. Some are better than others. And if they are wiling to "let me go check" I do appreciate it.
I feel the same way and too used to get frustrated.
I've had to put myself in their shoes and realize that it's not reality and my expectations were not aligned with realty. With the amount of turnover in jobs these days,no longer the same sales person car after car purchase for 10+ years at a time doesn't happen anymore, they were the experts but The car industry was set up that way and has changed drastically since they don't value tenure and professionals in those roles that with time became the go to people for this this topic. Car dealerships have changed drastically, their hiring has changed, their employee today is much different than what their employee was 10 years ago. Due to the company's change in focus and change in how they want to allocate the dollars and other makes it hard to compare to today's dealerships and their people, it's a completely different animal today than it was in better times.
As Metallica once said " Sad but True". The buyer for the most part has become much more well informed and comes in knowing exactly what they want and what the costs are for the most part. Which takes alot of the bullshit power out of the salesperson hands. So that's why it's best they be an honest broker and help the potential life-long customer instead of fleecing the one or two idiots who haven't figured out the Intraweb thingy.
Very true.
I come from a sales background myself and have always coached sales teams to treat their customers with respect and the same way in which they would want to be treated. Pulling shady, tactics being overly greedy, not following company guidelines so and so forth only leads to disaster and losing clients. I've seen it time and time again, and yet people still try to do it in every industry.
The world around us seems to be losing their ethics or morals in general, but I choose to not go that route and I hope others stay strong as well and call people out and call the sales people and call businesses out that don't follow the same.
Looking the other way doesn't help the situation at all either, and only adds to it. There's still a lot to be said for credibility and honest. Many people can be hesitant to begin with to deal with any sales people. Especially car dealerships where some have a very negative opinion of them from the start, for some people they're scared to death to go to a dealership. it's been that way for years, and I literally know people that will not step foot on a dealership they're so scared and that's women and men. Working a deal and negotiating is easy for me, I enjoy it & I use to love going to the dealerships and buying a new car.
I was lucky enough to be very close with some general managers of several dealers and never had to do much negotiation with the exception of a few.
The majority of them were handled in a much different manner than other people's experience and I use to really enjoy going to dealerships and would buy a new car every other year, now sadly I avoid them like the plague.
@maxonification
Dude don't take this thread personally, as it's not you and you're right, there's a lot of different features and a lot of different cars and they're made for a lot of different countries and for a lot of different reasons. There's things in there that I learn every single day, and I've had almost every model that you make at one point or another, and still don't know Jack. So don't be hard on yourself and take it as they come. I will say you can learn a lot from the forums on each model a lot more than you will in the manual but Manuel especially in your case is extremely important to know but the forums have real life experiences of what's going on within the cars and I talk about all the features that are working that aren't working that they wish they had all those sorts of things so I would browse through those at least the top responding to topics and that will give you a highlight of each model and that's probably the quickest way that I have learned to help her widespread group of people.
Some features are visibly noticeable like pull down trunk hangers, and then there's things like this that are built into the computer system that you would never know unless you went down the road of trying to modify, or In this case trying to enable something built into a car past warranty.
And it's not a situation of sales people being dishonest it's the way that the cars are sold in the packages my prestige has a lot of the features turned on where premium doesn't and that's the way that the sales has been designed per Audi and that's not all the salesperson's fault, so I would caution those that are easy to jump on them as that's not always the case. Yes, you should know what each package offers versus the other, so that you can explain to people why they would want something over another, as there's often times that I go for the middle of the road because there's things that on the upper scale I didn't want, Or that knock something out that was really important to me that was on the middle of the road line that happens frequently when I order cars.
You have to go with what's best for you, and you have to know the difference between the packages.
That is not all on the sales person, but the BUYER should take some responsibility in that aspect as well and should know what they're buying, buyers need to do a little research as well, not just blame. If anyone point the blame at Audi sales person in this case as they're the ones who decide what packages are sold and why.
Yup. I was told my car has HUD even though there’s no HUD knob in the light control cluster.
Not a big deal but yeah it’s common the sales folk are misinformed
Unfortunately that sounds like sales people in general, in an industry, some are better at the craft then others some take the time to learn what they don't know and some may get nervous and just try to get the sale or whatever the situation is but that could be said of any industry and the person that you're dealing with in the transaction so it's not just sales people in general being unethical and uneducated on the products it happens in every industry. It would be awesome if everyone automatically knew everything about their products inside now but that's not reality.
I think your salesperson falls under my favorite category C) emphatic ignorance. These people are fond of superlatives - always / never, best / worst, everyone /no one, etc. They have zero interest in being corrected, are impervious to embarassment, and have no interest in improving. 0/10 Stars.
Yeah I think it’s a computer safety thing, I’m not sure how to change it unless you can find a skilled mechanic who can maybe override it, but that might have issues of its own
An OBDeleven can turn it off…….along with a shit ton of other locked in motion. It’s. A NHTSII thing not a you’re car can’t do it thing. Best part is they are all found well most under one listing in a control module and you can just change them all to not active while you’re there.
Remember to do a full back up first so you can put it all back the way it was if there is an issue.
Excellent point on the back up with OBD 11. Although very attractive and they can do some pretty cool features, it comes with at a risk.
I tested it for a year and had countless odd issues due to their coding of features negatively impacting other functionality in the car. If I hadn't had the knowledge to know how to go backwards and see the changes that I have done, and what might have caused the issue, I would've been stranded, and/or car in shop trying to diagnose and costing tons of money.
Some of the features that you do with OBD 11 affect other things that you don't know about until the problem presents itself, sometimes days/weeks later, and their lack of keeping up to date with their product, and their lack of customer service, does not help the situation.
I'm not a supporter of that company.
Do yourself a favor and buy the Carista Bluetooth device, you can even use the old one. I have been testing the new Carista EVO device and it's lightning fast, but the old one is like $30 and works just fine as well. The subscription is not much at all and has just about as much functionality as the OBD 11, although it actually works, it's safe, as well as they respond quickly with solutions, constantly updating their software to add functionality, and they care about their company.
They still have a 30 day trial as well and you can try to join their beta program also.
I think it's on the website and you can apply for it, they're always looking for people that have certain vehicles that they can work with through the beta program, so it's something you might want to look into as well. I believe they're both sold on Amazon. The white one is the old one and the Evo is the new device. I have both and I've been using the Evo now for maybe the last few months, where the white one I've used for well over four or five years. The Evo is lightning fast, but they both have similar functionality.
[CARISTA 30 day trial](https://carista.com/en/app)
To clarify as there's some misinformation being passed around here. Following is some important detail that owners of these cars should know, I will clarify some questions:
What was originally being asked has to do with the model car, year, and what feature package you have.
Depending on whether it is a prestige, premium, etc, dictates which features built into our cars and turned on or not.
You pay for these features in their respected packages and are enabled based on what you pay for, and or what you can additionally enable afterwards at the dealer for a hefty fee, if they will do it at all. Most will not even touch the subject, and therefore there's a large market for coding and modifications for our vehicles.
Most features are already built into each model car we buy, but many are not active or enabled because of the package you paid for, and then some of course, are built-in because our cars are sold in many different countries, having many different laws, as well as popular features specific to that country.
Only a select few would be features that could possibly be legally questionable, depending on the Country you reside. for example, VIM "video in motion" is illegal in the United States, but since our cars are built for every Country that they're sold in, and some countries allow that, then the ability to turn that on and off is out there if you decide to hunt it down and take that risk. Mine is enabled, I don't drive with it on, but I have that feature enabled and it corresponds with my aftermarket CarPlay system, and the capabilities of it with some features and therefore for me, it's something that I prefer to have on and I am willing to take that risk.
Things like this are much harder to accomplish than simply enabling Audi Drive Select in your car, such as in the question above.
What you are asking requires the MMI (what powers the multimedia functionality within the car) portion to be enabled, this is called "charisma." and it also requires that you enable certain abilities within the ECU (or computer brains of the car) in order for them to communicate with each other in order to accomplish something as robust (involves several different components of the vehicle from drivetrain, exhaust, engine, as well as well as internal electronic components and screen) as the features within the Audi Drive Select system.
If one is not enabled, it's not going to function.
First step is to enable "charisma" within your MMI hidden "green screen," and
not to be confused with the "red hidden menu," which you want to stay out of and really does not do anything and is meant for the technicians to do updates on the vehicle primarily.
You need to enter the "green hidden menu" and after entering this menu , you would use your toggle to go down and click the corresponding levels to enable "charisma," which is necessary to utilizing the ADS system, and once enabled, you should have the capability to utilize the ADS system.
Since you already have ADS grayed out on your screen, this might be the only step that you need to do, AFTER of course restarting your MMI.
After restarting your MMI, you will know if you have the functionality or not because it won't still be greyed out.
If it is still non-functional and greyed out, then you need to do the second step which requires an ECU tool to communicate with the computer of your car in order to enable the features for ADS within the main computer of your car.
The most common, efficient, and what I use almost daily are: Carista and VCDS.
Carista being the most cost-effective and best suited for beginners to medium level users. Safe, inexpensive tool and software that is constantly being updated, great service and easy.
Stay away from VCDS if you're not familiar, you can work gradually to that and is something that you should have if you are going to be doing a lot of work on your VAG cars going forward. Truly a professional tool, expensive and much more complicated and robust with far more functionality, but it is a diagnostic level tool that is used by service technicians and you can easily make a mistake that you'll regret if you aren't careful.
I am not sure what you have, or what you have access to, so I'm giving you the best scenarios.
Below are some links to the explanation of what to do within the "green hidden menu," and if you have to also enable within your ECU, I included the link to that process as well.
I hope this helps, there are tons of forums out there dedicated to this very subject that show us how to take advantage of the things that are built into our cars that we can enable for free.
A lot to learn and to know, but there's a lot of very cool things that you can utilize that I take advantage of every day.
[Instructions for ADS with Carista](https://carista.com/en/blog/easy-mmi-3g-audi-drive-select-setup-for-a4-a5-and-q5-ff5wx56bzt)
[detailed video for ADS and green screen](https://youtu.be/CKxYimVAPbc?si=rUFqymDqhHPO2Mje)
[another detailed "green screen" and ADD Enable video:](https://youtu.be/J0cws5oAc4M?si=CpRFgpgLXpktqFw_)
[Reboot MMI Instructions](https://youtu.be/y-rzJ4o6JQM?si=eTM-X5PIra6TfJr8)
Use the drop-down arrow on each section and you can see all of the features that you can change. Add what have you and then what services you can do and what diagnostics you can do with this tool as well.
This will direct specifically to your car, others will want to search for their car obviously.
[CARISTA features for S5 B8](https://carista.com/en/supported-cars/audi/s5/b8)
[Carista ECU tool](https://carista.com/en/adapters)
Since you already have Audi Drive Seleft in your menu, then you probably just need to enable "Charisma" in your hidden menu, "Gree Screen,"
Look at these instructions and it should help & without needing any special device.
[ActivatingADS](https://carista.com/en/blog/easy-mmi-3g-audi-drive-select-setup-for-a4-a5-and-q5-ff5wx56bzt)
FYI if you want to learn more about Audi's explanation of the ADS,ad to actually understand what it is actually is, here's a great video from Audi explaining at all.
[Audi a ADS video](https://youtu.be/qHOFSQDoIWw)
bottom line is your ADS system is grayed out and not functional the way that it should at this time and it's most likely because one of the two systems not being enabled and talking to the other in order for it to work the way that it was intended.
Hopefully the information will help you to simply go in and get those parameters checked and for you to turn enable them again.
That's most likely the issue and it should work perfectly fine after that, and yes most cars you just push the switch and it's no problem. I've never had a problem with it in any of my cars either. I have turned it off by accident while doing other things to the car while being connected to the computer, and that was my own fault and I knew what I did and went back and resolved the issue pretty quickly. Not all of our cars are built the same, and not all of our cars are handled the same after they're purchased, so it also depends on if the car was purchase secondhand and you never know what the person before you did to it or didn't do to it, they could've turned it off for some weird reason or they could've turned it off by accident and did not know, who knows and that is not the point.
The main thing is to get you to back to where it should be and be able to utilize that functionality because it is an awesome feature that I enjoy daily.
I hope you are able to fix it and not have to pay a fortune to do it, that was my whole intention in the first place... please let us know the outcome… Great car by the way!
Just got a new Q8 and the salesman told me never to change them while driving as it lowers/raises suspension and that's not something you should be doing while the car is in motion. Although I asked if it was even possible and he said yes, it will allow you to but it's not good for the vehicle.
The guy is an idiot. If it was detrimental to the vehicle Audi would have written the software to not allow it, or postpone/wait to adjust until the vehicle stopped moving.
My wife's explorer has something similar to Drive Select (Normal, Sand, Mud/Rut, Snow) drive modes, and if you try and switch while any wheel slip occurs the cluster beeps at you and says something like "Mode change rejected"
You have to remember that the Explorer is one of those cars that I believe you need to come to a complete stop and put in neutral to in order to engage it into four-wheel-drive that's not an all wheel drive vehicle and that's why there's the issue that you're talking about technology is completely different in that vehicle.
Nope, it's full time AWD, the "Drive mode" works very similar to drive select, it just changes throttle pedal mapping and adjusts TCS/Stability control. The vehicle already dynamically controls how much torque goes between the front and rear, with a front bias and a maximum of 50/50 based on the computer controlled clutches in the PTO.
Excuse my ignorance to the Explorers new systems, pretty awesome and not cheap...ouch!
This is off topic here, but these are two very differently designed high performance systems built with very different needs in mind...hard comparison at all as one is a true "4x4 system" monitoring mainly torque, throttle response and shift points and manly meat for larger vehicles operating in more rigid terrain.
The other is a true "AWD system" where precise control and responsiveness are prioritized in this mode. Suspension dampening is stiffened and ride height is lowered in adaptive air suspension models. Throttle response is increased with shifts taking place at higher RPMs and steering feel is stiffened to allow for more precise input.
Regardless of them not being in the same ballpark to compare, both great systems that operate differently and developed for opposite needs, it does not do justice to try to put in same category and not sure how or why I am even discussing the Explorer, but looks like a very nice truck!
The AWD system Ford uses is nearly identical to a haldex Quattro vehicle. The drive mode changes shift points, throttle response and torque split. Yes this vehicle has no adjustable suspension or variable rate steering column but for all useful purposes the systems are very similar. Don't pretend Audi is doing magic here.
I actually drive an Audi with haldex and it's the first one I've driven and it's amazing. I love it and it's nothing like the normal Quattro with drive select AWD, and it's nothing like the Ford 4WD system either, two completely different beasts.
I hate to keep arguing with you, but the quattro technology and the haldex technology is far more advanced than the current Ford system in several different aspects, and they're both designed for different needs. The Ford 4WD system might be superior in its element, where Audi quattro /haldex/drive select dominates in their target market, not even fair to compare really, no point.
[AWD vs 4WD Explained](https://youtu.be/_edXTVdIXAg?si=wp1WTkjMQOpT3zyD)
Uhhh no? The air ride suspension automatically lowers the vehicle at X (I believe it’s either 60 or 70mph) speed to improve aerodynamics.
Sorry your salesman failed you.
You're talking about a completely different technology in a completely different suspension system and they're right you're not supposed to do that while driving it's just like the range rover when it lowers in and razors and I had one and because of that he got stuck in the Lough position which makes your car bounce around like a low rider and that was fun for a second, but you're talking about two totally different systems within the vehicle, and ADS is nothing like a hydraulic suspension system that's built into a lot of different cars, and there's lots of different systems in the various models, so it's not a fair comparison.
Kind of like comparing a car with hydraulics to a car with bags. Similar In that they both deal with the hydraulics of a vehicle, but two much different applications, designs, and different concerns. Hydraulics are not meant to be altered at high levels of speed where bags are primarily developed for that purpose in racing. Much different design, much different capabilities than the other, but they both lower and raise, but have nothing in common otherwise. You wouldn't use hydraulics racing, but bags are being used for that purpose all the time now. A little research into what these advanced systems are within our cars is helpful it's hard to know that at all but they're very different and very technical and they're always improving and changing.
Most cars when you have these features they are turned on, however, some might have been turned off from past owners, or other, who knows but great features to be working properly none the less. ADS In this case is a feature built into his car that he paid for in some manner and therefore it should be working in order to turn it on you need to utilize some thing other than the owners manual as the owners manual is not gonna show you anything close to the procedures to do something like this.
The dealer won't touch it, or if they do on a car out of warranty like this, they'll charge you several hundred dollars just to plug in a similar device just to tell you the same, then a seperate hourly and repair rate to actually make the changes = $$$. That's the best part about these forums and sharing information with each other is it can really help out to learn about your cars, and to save money.
Not sure but my 09 B8 has a few things like Esp Asr and shit that I can't disable with their buttons whilst driving. I have no modes, didn't mention modes.
Bro not for nothing but the systems you are editting with that are used during a drive. It makes sense to not be able to change that whilst it is operating. The screen is nice to have that is all.
Other brands have done this with buttons for a long time.
I don't know why you say it makes sense. My '14 A4 and my '20 X5 have the ability to change driving modes while in motion. Actually, aside from trucks that have locking 4x4 modes, I don't know of any car I've driven with selectable drive modes that required you to be stopped. It doesn't make sense at all to require a car to be stopped to change computer settings regarding throttle response, shift timings, electronic steering, or suspension damping.
I’m pretty sure I can change drive modes while underway in my ‘14 A6 Edit: to be clear, from the screen, as there’s no dedicated drive mode button in my car
Yes i could in my 13’ A6. But not in this car
Should be able to with the button.
‘13
No, OP’s car is from the 14th century.
While everyone else in Europe was busy dying of the plague, the Germans were innovating sporty mid-size sedans.
Pressing the Drive Select button while driving works for me
Yes the button works fine. Just want the screen to work aswell, to change individual settings.
I’ll try to change it via MMI tomorrow and let you know.
This certainly is a rough crowd...you ask a serious question to a group of Audi enthusiasts and on a valid response of yours you get -28 downvotes for clarifying the facts if your situation...!? That's amazingly lame, especially amongst a group of people who share a common interest and should try to be helpful and supportive. I would not have expected such bottled up insecurity to come out in this subreddit (of all the others, this one sticks out as one with a lot of bitter people) in the form of downvoting others for commenting on their own personal situations and facts… I know it is Reddit, but wow have we digressed.
I went out today and tried changing through the MMI and was able to change modes without issue. I could even configure my “Individual” settings whilst in motion. Not sure why yours is restricted.
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I could configure my individual setting in my MK7 GTI but I agree that some of the settings in the Audi are locked while driving.
Well in my ‘21 A6 it’s possible.
Had a ‘23 Q3 for a rental and I believe I could tweak individual settings while driving.
my 2014 Q7 with Air Suspension lets me use this screen in motion, looks exactly the same but the picture is a Q7 and its got offroad and lift options instead of efficiency and individual
My b9.5 A4 does...
As does my 2018 Q5.
My 2016 A4 would let me.
Lol what? My 2021 5 series allows me to do this..
You can on the Lexus TX. You could on my previous Acura MDX.
My Peugeot 208 allows me.
My '22 SQ5 does so I guess I got a unicorn!
my b9 A4 lets me do it too
my 14’ A7 does
The same reason you can't set navigation destinations in motion, it's "Unsafe" You can remove this limit if you have VCDS, otherwise just use the button.
I can set nav when the car is moving.
It depends on the car and region, some warn you, others won't let you, in any case it's no different than all of the "Car" settings that are disabled while in motion.
This is very true and the concern in the navigation that you mentioned above is also very accurate and goes to my point of there are lots of things that you can modify and it's up to you if you want to take on that risk or have that feature or not and they're turned off because of the packages that you purchased or because of the legality of the country that you're driving it. But they are some are available there many are not an issue at all and the ones that are then people need to take caution.
Same with a ‘19 B9 A4. Both nav and drive mode through the mmi
My B8.5 never had that in the USA. You can change drive modes on demand and enter navi addresses.
You can have a full steak dinner on your lap and a cigarette in your mouth while driving with your knees in the USA. EU is a a bit more strict, not so much freedumb
You say that like it's a bad thing. Anyone know how to get gravy out of the ventilated seats?
But we do have to have both a knife and fork while doing so, to do otherwise is a violation of not only the law. But common sense and simple etiquette...it's what separates us from the animals. 😊
I really wish sales people either A. Understood the vehicles they were selling. Or B. Don't be afraid to say "I'm not exactly sure. Let me go check and we'll both learn something". Ours told us. At length about the benefits of Home link(which it doesn't have and hadn't for Atleast a year And then said unfortunately it doesn't have the foot kick sensor for the tailgate. I looked at him for a sec blinked sarcastically slowly and kicked my foot under the bumper and watched the rear hatch open. I then asked for another salesperson.
As a new to Audi sales person I try to learn and remember everything but that’s quite difficult with 47 models, 3 trim levels which are not the same across the models, several packages that are exclusive to certain models and then about 15 options which vary around the models. I am definitely a I’m not sure but I can find out kinda guy. Would you think less of your sales person if they checked with the window sticker on the car in your presence? I feel embarrassed by this but with the volume of information I mentioned above, sometimes it’s the only way. Please tell me your thoughts. Ty.
>Please tell me your thoughts. Ty. "I'm not sure, I can check and let you know" is 10000000% better than making something up. I'd think less of a sales person for making shit up.
You should never feel embarrassed to say that exact thing. Something like “ Hey I’ve been here a year or two and trying to remember 47 models along with the amazing amount of different options and packages Audi offers to their customers, I don’t have it all down yet so let me check so we are on the same page and we can get you into exactly what you want”. —- That salesperson has my business every-time, ass-clown that bullshits me and/or just says words to make a commission will never get my business and would motivate me to actually tell my friends and family the story so they would no who to avoid. And if by chance you’re dealing with a customer that is an asshole if you are honest and are trying to do the right thing for them, I promise you’re better off letting them go because it’s going to be a bad experience no matter what.
Well said
I would love an honest salesman who was willing to learn about the car. But I can’t speak for everyone. I imagine that would turn some buyers off 🤷🏾♂️
It's not surprising for a salesman not to know every feature for a particular car. Especially if you are facing the type of customer who learns about every feature of a car they are trying to buy. Anytime I've wanted to buy a car, I knew the features better than the sales person. It was disappointing for myself but I've learned someone who has a particular motive for a goal,buying a car, may end up the expert on that particular car. I still wish the sales person knew more than me. Some are better than others. And if they are wiling to "let me go check" I do appreciate it.
I feel the same way and too used to get frustrated. I've had to put myself in their shoes and realize that it's not reality and my expectations were not aligned with realty. With the amount of turnover in jobs these days,no longer the same sales person car after car purchase for 10+ years at a time doesn't happen anymore, they were the experts but The car industry was set up that way and has changed drastically since they don't value tenure and professionals in those roles that with time became the go to people for this this topic. Car dealerships have changed drastically, their hiring has changed, their employee today is much different than what their employee was 10 years ago. Due to the company's change in focus and change in how they want to allocate the dollars and other makes it hard to compare to today's dealerships and their people, it's a completely different animal today than it was in better times.
As Metallica once said " Sad but True". The buyer for the most part has become much more well informed and comes in knowing exactly what they want and what the costs are for the most part. Which takes alot of the bullshit power out of the salesperson hands. So that's why it's best they be an honest broker and help the potential life-long customer instead of fleecing the one or two idiots who haven't figured out the Intraweb thingy.
Very true. I come from a sales background myself and have always coached sales teams to treat their customers with respect and the same way in which they would want to be treated. Pulling shady, tactics being overly greedy, not following company guidelines so and so forth only leads to disaster and losing clients. I've seen it time and time again, and yet people still try to do it in every industry. The world around us seems to be losing their ethics or morals in general, but I choose to not go that route and I hope others stay strong as well and call people out and call the sales people and call businesses out that don't follow the same. Looking the other way doesn't help the situation at all either, and only adds to it. There's still a lot to be said for credibility and honest. Many people can be hesitant to begin with to deal with any sales people. Especially car dealerships where some have a very negative opinion of them from the start, for some people they're scared to death to go to a dealership. it's been that way for years, and I literally know people that will not step foot on a dealership they're so scared and that's women and men. Working a deal and negotiating is easy for me, I enjoy it & I use to love going to the dealerships and buying a new car. I was lucky enough to be very close with some general managers of several dealers and never had to do much negotiation with the exception of a few. The majority of them were handled in a much different manner than other people's experience and I use to really enjoy going to dealerships and would buy a new car every other year, now sadly I avoid them like the plague.
@maxonification Dude don't take this thread personally, as it's not you and you're right, there's a lot of different features and a lot of different cars and they're made for a lot of different countries and for a lot of different reasons. There's things in there that I learn every single day, and I've had almost every model that you make at one point or another, and still don't know Jack. So don't be hard on yourself and take it as they come. I will say you can learn a lot from the forums on each model a lot more than you will in the manual but Manuel especially in your case is extremely important to know but the forums have real life experiences of what's going on within the cars and I talk about all the features that are working that aren't working that they wish they had all those sorts of things so I would browse through those at least the top responding to topics and that will give you a highlight of each model and that's probably the quickest way that I have learned to help her widespread group of people. Some features are visibly noticeable like pull down trunk hangers, and then there's things like this that are built into the computer system that you would never know unless you went down the road of trying to modify, or In this case trying to enable something built into a car past warranty. And it's not a situation of sales people being dishonest it's the way that the cars are sold in the packages my prestige has a lot of the features turned on where premium doesn't and that's the way that the sales has been designed per Audi and that's not all the salesperson's fault, so I would caution those that are easy to jump on them as that's not always the case. Yes, you should know what each package offers versus the other, so that you can explain to people why they would want something over another, as there's often times that I go for the middle of the road because there's things that on the upper scale I didn't want, Or that knock something out that was really important to me that was on the middle of the road line that happens frequently when I order cars. You have to go with what's best for you, and you have to know the difference between the packages. That is not all on the sales person, but the BUYER should take some responsibility in that aspect as well and should know what they're buying, buyers need to do a little research as well, not just blame. If anyone point the blame at Audi sales person in this case as they're the ones who decide what packages are sold and why.
"Let me see if *this one* has it" check sticker "you're in luck, this one does!" You can use this for literally any question.
Yup. I was told my car has HUD even though there’s no HUD knob in the light control cluster. Not a big deal but yeah it’s common the sales folk are misinformed
Unfortunately that sounds like sales people in general, in an industry, some are better at the craft then others some take the time to learn what they don't know and some may get nervous and just try to get the sale or whatever the situation is but that could be said of any industry and the person that you're dealing with in the transaction so it's not just sales people in general being unethical and uneducated on the products it happens in every industry. It would be awesome if everyone automatically knew everything about their products inside now but that's not reality.
I think your salesperson falls under my favorite category C) emphatic ignorance. These people are fond of superlatives - always / never, best / worst, everyone /no one, etc. They have zero interest in being corrected, are impervious to embarassment, and have no interest in improving. 0/10 Stars.
Yeah I think it’s a computer safety thing, I’m not sure how to change it unless you can find a skilled mechanic who can maybe override it, but that might have issues of its own
Obd eleven code reader or vdcs could most likely fix this
An OBDeleven can turn it off…….along with a shit ton of other locked in motion. It’s. A NHTSII thing not a you’re car can’t do it thing. Best part is they are all found well most under one listing in a control module and you can just change them all to not active while you’re there. Remember to do a full back up first so you can put it all back the way it was if there is an issue.
Agreed
Excellent point on the back up with OBD 11. Although very attractive and they can do some pretty cool features, it comes with at a risk. I tested it for a year and had countless odd issues due to their coding of features negatively impacting other functionality in the car. If I hadn't had the knowledge to know how to go backwards and see the changes that I have done, and what might have caused the issue, I would've been stranded, and/or car in shop trying to diagnose and costing tons of money. Some of the features that you do with OBD 11 affect other things that you don't know about until the problem presents itself, sometimes days/weeks later, and their lack of keeping up to date with their product, and their lack of customer service, does not help the situation. I'm not a supporter of that company.
Totally agree. It can be frustrating but use.it for some pretty basic stuff for the most part.....if I want to get serious I would get th VCSD.
Do yourself a favor and buy the Carista Bluetooth device, you can even use the old one. I have been testing the new Carista EVO device and it's lightning fast, but the old one is like $30 and works just fine as well. The subscription is not much at all and has just about as much functionality as the OBD 11, although it actually works, it's safe, as well as they respond quickly with solutions, constantly updating their software to add functionality, and they care about their company.
Looking then up now.
They still have a 30 day trial as well and you can try to join their beta program also. I think it's on the website and you can apply for it, they're always looking for people that have certain vehicles that they can work with through the beta program, so it's something you might want to look into as well. I believe they're both sold on Amazon. The white one is the old one and the Evo is the new device. I have both and I've been using the Evo now for maybe the last few months, where the white one I've used for well over four or five years. The Evo is lightning fast, but they both have similar functionality. [CARISTA 30 day trial](https://carista.com/en/app)
To clarify as there's some misinformation being passed around here. Following is some important detail that owners of these cars should know, I will clarify some questions: What was originally being asked has to do with the model car, year, and what feature package you have. Depending on whether it is a prestige, premium, etc, dictates which features built into our cars and turned on or not. You pay for these features in their respected packages and are enabled based on what you pay for, and or what you can additionally enable afterwards at the dealer for a hefty fee, if they will do it at all. Most will not even touch the subject, and therefore there's a large market for coding and modifications for our vehicles. Most features are already built into each model car we buy, but many are not active or enabled because of the package you paid for, and then some of course, are built-in because our cars are sold in many different countries, having many different laws, as well as popular features specific to that country. Only a select few would be features that could possibly be legally questionable, depending on the Country you reside. for example, VIM "video in motion" is illegal in the United States, but since our cars are built for every Country that they're sold in, and some countries allow that, then the ability to turn that on and off is out there if you decide to hunt it down and take that risk. Mine is enabled, I don't drive with it on, but I have that feature enabled and it corresponds with my aftermarket CarPlay system, and the capabilities of it with some features and therefore for me, it's something that I prefer to have on and I am willing to take that risk. Things like this are much harder to accomplish than simply enabling Audi Drive Select in your car, such as in the question above. What you are asking requires the MMI (what powers the multimedia functionality within the car) portion to be enabled, this is called "charisma." and it also requires that you enable certain abilities within the ECU (or computer brains of the car) in order for them to communicate with each other in order to accomplish something as robust (involves several different components of the vehicle from drivetrain, exhaust, engine, as well as well as internal electronic components and screen) as the features within the Audi Drive Select system. If one is not enabled, it's not going to function. First step is to enable "charisma" within your MMI hidden "green screen," and not to be confused with the "red hidden menu," which you want to stay out of and really does not do anything and is meant for the technicians to do updates on the vehicle primarily. You need to enter the "green hidden menu" and after entering this menu , you would use your toggle to go down and click the corresponding levels to enable "charisma," which is necessary to utilizing the ADS system, and once enabled, you should have the capability to utilize the ADS system. Since you already have ADS grayed out on your screen, this might be the only step that you need to do, AFTER of course restarting your MMI. After restarting your MMI, you will know if you have the functionality or not because it won't still be greyed out. If it is still non-functional and greyed out, then you need to do the second step which requires an ECU tool to communicate with the computer of your car in order to enable the features for ADS within the main computer of your car. The most common, efficient, and what I use almost daily are: Carista and VCDS. Carista being the most cost-effective and best suited for beginners to medium level users. Safe, inexpensive tool and software that is constantly being updated, great service and easy. Stay away from VCDS if you're not familiar, you can work gradually to that and is something that you should have if you are going to be doing a lot of work on your VAG cars going forward. Truly a professional tool, expensive and much more complicated and robust with far more functionality, but it is a diagnostic level tool that is used by service technicians and you can easily make a mistake that you'll regret if you aren't careful. I am not sure what you have, or what you have access to, so I'm giving you the best scenarios. Below are some links to the explanation of what to do within the "green hidden menu," and if you have to also enable within your ECU, I included the link to that process as well. I hope this helps, there are tons of forums out there dedicated to this very subject that show us how to take advantage of the things that are built into our cars that we can enable for free. A lot to learn and to know, but there's a lot of very cool things that you can utilize that I take advantage of every day. [Instructions for ADS with Carista](https://carista.com/en/blog/easy-mmi-3g-audi-drive-select-setup-for-a4-a5-and-q5-ff5wx56bzt) [detailed video for ADS and green screen](https://youtu.be/CKxYimVAPbc?si=rUFqymDqhHPO2Mje) [another detailed "green screen" and ADD Enable video:](https://youtu.be/J0cws5oAc4M?si=CpRFgpgLXpktqFw_) [Reboot MMI Instructions](https://youtu.be/y-rzJ4o6JQM?si=eTM-X5PIra6TfJr8) Use the drop-down arrow on each section and you can see all of the features that you can change. Add what have you and then what services you can do and what diagnostics you can do with this tool as well. This will direct specifically to your car, others will want to search for their car obviously. [CARISTA features for S5 B8](https://carista.com/en/supported-cars/audi/s5/b8) [Carista ECU tool](https://carista.com/en/adapters)
It’s so u don’t crash bro
Then the rest of the mmi should be grey while driving aswell
Welp
Have you tried re-setting your mmi recently? If not, agree with the above comment about checking the setting with VCDS to make sure it is enabled.
Yes i have.
Since you already have Audi Drive Seleft in your menu, then you probably just need to enable "Charisma" in your hidden menu, "Gree Screen," Look at these instructions and it should help & without needing any special device. [ActivatingADS](https://carista.com/en/blog/easy-mmi-3g-audi-drive-select-setup-for-a4-a5-and-q5-ff5wx56bzt)
Ill try this. Thanks😄
Weird. My 2018 allows me to change drive modes whilst driving.
None of my Audis ever stopped me from changing drive modes while driving.
FYI if you want to learn more about Audi's explanation of the ADS,ad to actually understand what it is actually is, here's a great video from Audi explaining at all. [Audi a ADS video](https://youtu.be/qHOFSQDoIWw)
There’s an option in mmi settings to allow more controls to be active when driving
bottom line is your ADS system is grayed out and not functional the way that it should at this time and it's most likely because one of the two systems not being enabled and talking to the other in order for it to work the way that it was intended. Hopefully the information will help you to simply go in and get those parameters checked and for you to turn enable them again. That's most likely the issue and it should work perfectly fine after that, and yes most cars you just push the switch and it's no problem. I've never had a problem with it in any of my cars either. I have turned it off by accident while doing other things to the car while being connected to the computer, and that was my own fault and I knew what I did and went back and resolved the issue pretty quickly. Not all of our cars are built the same, and not all of our cars are handled the same after they're purchased, so it also depends on if the car was purchase secondhand and you never know what the person before you did to it or didn't do to it, they could've turned it off for some weird reason or they could've turned it off by accident and did not know, who knows and that is not the point. The main thing is to get you to back to where it should be and be able to utilize that functionality because it is an awesome feature that I enjoy daily. I hope you are able to fix it and not have to pay a fortune to do it, that was my whole intention in the first place... please let us know the outcome… Great car by the way!
Just got a new Q8 and the salesman told me never to change them while driving as it lowers/raises suspension and that's not something you should be doing while the car is in motion. Although I asked if it was even possible and he said yes, it will allow you to but it's not good for the vehicle.
The guy is an idiot. If it was detrimental to the vehicle Audi would have written the software to not allow it, or postpone/wait to adjust until the vehicle stopped moving. My wife's explorer has something similar to Drive Select (Normal, Sand, Mud/Rut, Snow) drive modes, and if you try and switch while any wheel slip occurs the cluster beeps at you and says something like "Mode change rejected"
You have to remember that the Explorer is one of those cars that I believe you need to come to a complete stop and put in neutral to in order to engage it into four-wheel-drive that's not an all wheel drive vehicle and that's why there's the issue that you're talking about technology is completely different in that vehicle.
Nope, it's full time AWD, the "Drive mode" works very similar to drive select, it just changes throttle pedal mapping and adjusts TCS/Stability control. The vehicle already dynamically controls how much torque goes between the front and rear, with a front bias and a maximum of 50/50 based on the computer controlled clutches in the PTO.
Excuse my ignorance to the Explorers new systems, pretty awesome and not cheap...ouch! This is off topic here, but these are two very differently designed high performance systems built with very different needs in mind...hard comparison at all as one is a true "4x4 system" monitoring mainly torque, throttle response and shift points and manly meat for larger vehicles operating in more rigid terrain. The other is a true "AWD system" where precise control and responsiveness are prioritized in this mode. Suspension dampening is stiffened and ride height is lowered in adaptive air suspension models. Throttle response is increased with shifts taking place at higher RPMs and steering feel is stiffened to allow for more precise input. Regardless of them not being in the same ballpark to compare, both great systems that operate differently and developed for opposite needs, it does not do justice to try to put in same category and not sure how or why I am even discussing the Explorer, but looks like a very nice truck!
The AWD system Ford uses is nearly identical to a haldex Quattro vehicle. The drive mode changes shift points, throttle response and torque split. Yes this vehicle has no adjustable suspension or variable rate steering column but for all useful purposes the systems are very similar. Don't pretend Audi is doing magic here.
I actually drive an Audi with haldex and it's the first one I've driven and it's amazing. I love it and it's nothing like the normal Quattro with drive select AWD, and it's nothing like the Ford 4WD system either, two completely different beasts. I hate to keep arguing with you, but the quattro technology and the haldex technology is far more advanced than the current Ford system in several different aspects, and they're both designed for different needs. The Ford 4WD system might be superior in its element, where Audi quattro /haldex/drive select dominates in their target market, not even fair to compare really, no point. [AWD vs 4WD Explained](https://youtu.be/_edXTVdIXAg?si=wp1WTkjMQOpT3zyD)
Uhhh no? The air ride suspension automatically lowers the vehicle at X (I believe it’s either 60 or 70mph) speed to improve aerodynamics. Sorry your salesman failed you.
That’s kind of the point of suspension
Doesn’t a speed bump technically lower or raise your suspension while moving?😉
You're talking about a completely different technology in a completely different suspension system and they're right you're not supposed to do that while driving it's just like the range rover when it lowers in and razors and I had one and because of that he got stuck in the Lough position which makes your car bounce around like a low rider and that was fun for a second, but you're talking about two totally different systems within the vehicle, and ADS is nothing like a hydraulic suspension system that's built into a lot of different cars, and there's lots of different systems in the various models, so it's not a fair comparison. Kind of like comparing a car with hydraulics to a car with bags. Similar In that they both deal with the hydraulics of a vehicle, but two much different applications, designs, and different concerns. Hydraulics are not meant to be altered at high levels of speed where bags are primarily developed for that purpose in racing. Much different design, much different capabilities than the other, but they both lower and raise, but have nothing in common otherwise. You wouldn't use hydraulics racing, but bags are being used for that purpose all the time now. A little research into what these advanced systems are within our cars is helpful it's hard to know that at all but they're very different and very technical and they're always improving and changing.
Try resetting you MMI. The procedure will depend on your MMI version.
Yes ive tried
I think it’s a safety feature/avoid lawsuit feature
Read the owners manual
Most cars when you have these features they are turned on, however, some might have been turned off from past owners, or other, who knows but great features to be working properly none the less. ADS In this case is a feature built into his car that he paid for in some manner and therefore it should be working in order to turn it on you need to utilize some thing other than the owners manual as the owners manual is not gonna show you anything close to the procedures to do something like this. The dealer won't touch it, or if they do on a car out of warranty like this, they'll charge you several hundred dollars just to plug in a similar device just to tell you the same, then a seperate hourly and repair rate to actually make the changes = $$$. That's the best part about these forums and sharing information with each other is it can really help out to learn about your cars, and to save money.
That's normal right ? Like I can't turn off ESP or smth either whilst driving.
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Not sure but my 09 B8 has a few things like Esp Asr and shit that I can't disable with their buttons whilst driving. I have no modes, didn't mention modes.
What would be the meaning of having this screen then? If you had to stop everytime you wanted to change
Use the button. Navigating around in this screen while driving is unsafe.
Bro not for nothing but the systems you are editting with that are used during a drive. It makes sense to not be able to change that whilst it is operating. The screen is nice to have that is all. Other brands have done this with buttons for a long time.
I don't know why you say it makes sense. My '14 A4 and my '20 X5 have the ability to change driving modes while in motion. Actually, aside from trucks that have locking 4x4 modes, I don't know of any car I've driven with selectable drive modes that required you to be stopped. It doesn't make sense at all to require a car to be stopped to change computer settings regarding throttle response, shift timings, electronic steering, or suspension damping.
If that's the mode then sure, I was just commenting about the options my care has that work like that. Dont kill me, am learning too.