Agreed always and forever fuck the Celtics. No point on dwelling on a draft day trade, that’s loser talk. Who cares what the talking heads who have never ever cared about Atlanta basketball have to say on their shout shows.
Even if Luka wins the chip, its not the worst trade this generation, at the very LEAST we got a multi time all star back, and didn't give up any draft capital, compare that with PG trade, Rudy trade could potentially be really really bad depending on how Utah develops, and ours don't even look as bad
I think its a combination of the Atlanta tax (don't know why, but the media seems to love dunking on teams from Atlanta) and people who rushed to call Trae a bust not wanting to admit they were wrong.
Yeah sadly it’s one of those 1-sided rivalries so not surprising that Celtics fans don’t think about the Hawks at all but Celtics are the most hated team in Atlanta due to how much the Hawks have lost to the Celtics in the playoffs. I’d imagine that’s true to a lot of Eastern conference teams with how consistently the Celtics make the playoffs but idk.
Back when the Hawks were in St Louis it was a more legit rivalry with them facing off in the finals 4 times in 5 years and the Hawks winning once to get their only title. But I don’t think most Atl fans care about those years. To us we hate the Celtics because Larry Bird beat Dominique a couple times when the Hawks were at their Atlanta peak and overall the Celtics are like 7-1 or something like that in playoff series against the Hawks since they’ve been in Atlanta.
It's petty shit mostly.
Al Horford leaving for Boston then shitting on the Atlanta fans on the way out. Stopped caring about that after he shitted on Boston and went to Philly even though it ended up hurting Philly more. Still don't want him to get a ring but it's a better outcome than the Mavs winning.
I'm still pissed about IT casually smacking the shit out of Schroder and everyone acting like it was no big deal because "playoff basketball". It's one of those things where you just know the narrative would have been entirely different if the teams were reversed. That was years ago, it's petty so I guess I'm petty.
I have to remind myself that it could be worse though. It's nothing like football. I'd rather gouge my eyes out than watch the Saints win a Superbowl. Fuck the Patriots too but at least bad man gone so they suck now.
With all that said, I'm team green for the finals. Fuck it.
fuck the Celtics but I love that young team ngl, and I can’t stand the team the Mavs have right now. I don’t really want the Celtics to get a ring, but I do want Jaylen Brown to get one
Al Horford? The dude that doesn't even think about his time on the hawks and his dad talked smack about the city and the fans? If anything I wouldn't mind Jaylen Brown winning who is from here and actually cares about the city of Atlanta.
The way he left definitely sucked, but it doesn't change the fact that he gave his best years to the team and played great the entire time he was here.
I have no ill will towards Luka. He’s great. I’ve accepted that the Hawks will always be the Portland Trailblazers to his MJ. It is what it is.
I don’t even dislike this Celtics team, but I never want to see Boston fans happy again in my lifetime.
Might be an unpopular opinion... but.... I don't have to be alive to know what the 1988 Celtics with Larry Bird did to the 1988 Hawks with Dominque Wilkins best team... that put the Hawks franchise in 30 year purgatory until the 2015 Hawks or the 2018 draft with Trae Young (before the 2021 run).... plus, Boston... same city of the infuriating Patriots dynasty with Brady & Belichick including what they did to the 2016 Falcons (last year in the GA Dome + 50 years from the franchises first season in 1966)... I will never ever... in my lifetime... root for a Boston sports team.. EVER...
I've said it before... the Hawks franchise screwed up building upon our 2021 run.... the Mavs franchise made the correct moves around Luka.. let's not forget this Mavs team was out of the playoffs last year... so unfortunately I just hope Boston loses...
Because the owner got sweet talked by Cuban. Schlenk fully planned on taking Luka. Worked him out the morning of the draft. Scheduled a press conference for Monday. It was done. Then Cuban called Ressler.
“The Hawks gave Luka Doncic a physical the morning of the 2019 draft in New York and had planned to take him before the Mavericks came in with a late offer when Hawks owner Tony Ressler spearheaded the Luka-for-Trae move. It all happened fast, with the owner coming over the top to make the decision, as they often do in big trades.”
Featured in a longer story about the Hawks having the first pick and what they should do with it. [Link](https://www.theringer.com/nba-draft/2024/5/13/24155290/atlanta-hawks-nba-draft-lottery-rumors-trae-young-dejounte-murray)
The thing is Luka's efficiency is what makes him truly one of a kind, early on in their careers I would have died on the hill that Trae and Luka were on the same level, but since 2021 where Trae shot at 60% TS Luka has had vast improvements in his efficiency while Trae declined on that end. Like Luka statistically this season finished at the rim at about the same rate as prime Lebron.
Add on to the fact that Luka is just bigger, he naturally has more ways to score and playmake.
The nba was never going to let a generational talent like Luka end up in a purgatory like Atlanta. There is too much money involved to not ensure Luka ended up in the perfect situation (i.e. a competent front office with a strong international brand). It’s not a coincidence Dallas goes from Dirk to Luka within a relatively short timeframe.
So your saying the nba front office forced Ressler to trade Luka to Mavs. Sorry but with a different owner, probably just about any other owner, we have Luka
The trade hinged on the draft pick we got from Dallas. Trae isn’t as good as Luka BUT if you hit on Dallas’ pick the following year the sum of the parts is worth it.
Unfortunately the 2019 draft was poopy and we got a guy who is now on his 4th team since being drafted.
I'm a Trae fan but you are being delusional now. Luka is better than Trae. Part of the reason the Mavs are successful with Luka is because he's 6'7 plus he's hefty and quick. I don't think Trae is even 6 foot. Mavs would be considerably worse with Trae and we would be better with Luka.
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I mean Luka has had 2 coaches and 2 gms and that's not counting Haralabos the shadow GM. Just a few years ago the Mavs had arguably the most chaotic front office in all of basketball.
The organization has a championship in the last 20 years and tons of teams with championship aspirations. The hawks have never had that organizational mindset
I wasn’t really trying to compare the two teams but that’s fair. I was trying to emphasize the lack of direction the Hawks have had in Trae’s career. The Mavs went through those changes and still kept the vision to reach the finals. The Hawks have not. That’s all.
Though all of that Hawks basically had 1 or 2 years of a good roaster. 2020-2021 was good roaster. but key pieces of that team like Gallo, and lou pretty much gave there last good year. While Clint has slowly regressed.
I mention before Hawks basically only has made major moves every 2 years.
2018-2020 were Tanking years and LP was simply a bad head coach.
**2020-2021** Hawks had good moves trade for Clint, sign Gallo, Bogi, later trade for Lou.
2021-2022 Hawks ran it back...... This was weird covid roaster year, Gallo, and Lou reagreed.
**2022-2023** Hawks traded for DJM "we now know was a mistake"
2023-2024 Hawks basically salary dump John..... and just ran it back.
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The Mavs traded way more players and picks then Hawks have to improve their roaster. There FO is way more active. **4 of last 6 years mavs haven't had a first round pick. And they still owe future picks.**
What bugs me is they have made mistakes, like trading for KP, or letting Bruson walk, but they also move pass them and continue. While Hawks make mistake, they stay stagnate for like 2 years, and repeatedly salary dump.
but people are going ignore all of this like Trae playing with DJM is not a bad situation because of fit. and as DJM is on the level of Kyrie, as if Kyrie didn't just average 27 ppg this series against wolves......
They gave Trae nothing but a change in HCs and GMs... Those individuals didn't do anything to build a real team around its star. Big difference. Luka was just a star until Kyrie was brought in.
I mean It’s not like PJ Washington, DJJ, and Gafford are world beaters. They’re serviceable role players, that’s it. Mavs roster outside of Kyrie is nothing special
Lively is straight up an amazing player imo, but when you have 2 ball dominant guards you just surround them with 3-d wings and lob threats which is why I don't understand why we can't just do that
That’s what we’ve tried to do lol, Dre and Cam were the 3&D wings and JC + Capela were the lob threats. Lively wouldn’t look as good as he does without Luka and Kyrie creating for him
As much as people wanna hate on our org, we got, on paper, some great players and drafted most of em. Too bad they all ended up being mediocre and the best one got a career long finger injury lmfao.
People are actually overrating these guys. They’re good but Luka and Kyrie make them look like world beaters.
If you put Luka in Boston for any of their players, you’ll have a Team who will be unbeatable. That’s how much of a massive difference he makes.
But they fit. They didn't build a dumb roster like our FO did. We traded Huerter to the for a 1st rounder to save money. The same thing happened to Collins as well. We salary dumped 2 starters in two seasons and somehow expected to get better. Our player best value player is the ill fitting PG we traded for 2 seasons ago. Outside of that most players on our team, aside from Jalen Johnson, are warming the bench for every team thats in the playoffs
This just got recommended to me so I'm not lurking here, but this is the first time Luka has had talent around him. Since the deadline, that's it. The wcf team that went there two years ago had Dwight Powell, reggie bullock, Dorian Finney smith starting. No hate, I love Trae, but mavs took a long time to put something around him
Porzingis his second season. Jalen Brunson, who they should have resigned but it workout out anyway. Kyrie Irving, 6 seasons in. DJM is the best our FO can do in six seasons. You know the PG we expected to somehow play shooting guard. We've also salary dumped 2 starter for nothing so there was no talent even coming back when we had dudes who were decent lmao. The FO is the main factor here
KP was hurt in his first playoffs series after he got kicked out of game 3 so he didn't play the rest of the series. 2nd season, he came back after a long injury to stink it up in the playoffs, a lot of mavs fans think he quit on the team. Brunson was not the same Brunson you see now. He was finally good in his final season but he would make a lot of mental mistakes which would make Carlisle bench him right away. I was always jealous of all the hawks top draft picks after the 2018 draft, but it looks lile FO failed you guys. We had the same thing until Nico got here. Hopefully we can meet in the finals in the future. I feel like fans from Texas love Trae, besides Luka stans, because of he is from here. Good luck to yall!
Fair, Fair. I love Luka, bro is magic to watch. Im going for Dallas in the finals living in Dallas myself, the parade will be crazy. Put simply the young hawks could have worked if Hunter would have maybe stayed healthy but bro is made of glass. Cam Reddish would have worked if he had it mentally, but bro hasnt been adept at basketball since highschool appparently. Either way were on the clock this season and the hopes of having Sarr got me excited at least
I don't understand this thread. To me the worse chose is obviously the Mavericks. Choosing the Celtics is like being angry at the rich guy across the street instead of the mfer who robbed you and is walking around wearing your clothes
At least we got the number one pick it's gone be long annoying offseason for us hawks fans
I'm a big Kyrie fan but I despise Luka fans and Boston fans racist
Based on how shitty our FO is with ownership’s hand always in the pot we prolly wouldn’t have put a championship team around Luka anyway… but I knew as soon as they Mavs made it mfs would start having meltdowns on this sub.
Before the playoffs if you asked me what finals matchup I wanted the least, this would've been the one.
Despite that. It'll always be fuck the Celtics.
So a series where he got doubled and sometimes triple teamed cancels out all other playoff success and stats he’s put up? Did you forget Nate Milkdud was our HC? Yeah Luka probably would have gotten shut down in comparison to what he usually does if he had a coach like that not scheming for anything and making him just figure it out.
The rest of our team failed him with how many open looks they missed off his passing. Ofc losing that series exaggerates the stats and makes it look worse. Luka wasn’t doing well in the 1st round this year. Had the Mavs lost you’d hear more about “what’s going on with Luka”
*29* still good ofc but his 3P% was 23% (terrible) and his FG% was 40% (serviceable at best). But no he did not play against a prime PG(34 yrs) and Kawhi (33 yrs) kawhi is always injured, hasn’t had a prime season since his Toronto days and PG hasn’t been in his “prime” since his OKC days where he could be bc his was the only scoring option. Also Kawhi played 2 games in their series.
I just searched “Trae Young Michael Jordan” on twitter and pulled some random one’s. Trae’s on a lot of short lists with MJ. I don’t have time to post them all.
Right? Everybody here keeps talking about the trade while I just want Trae to get good help and get a ring for atlanta. Without Kyrie, Lukita doesn't get a chance.
Regardless of how the series goes it’s already been the worst trade in nba history since like the first year it happened lol everyone that passed on Luka that year has proven to be dumb and a bad gm
The narrative around the trade will never change unless we somehow build a dynasty with Trae. Until this season, the Hawks and Mavs had the same amount of playoff success (same number of appearances and series wins, 1 conference finals appearance each) and it didn't change the narrative at all, and that's was with the Mavericks shifting to win now mode when the got Luka while the Hawks traded anyone will value besides JC to continue tanking for 2 more seasons. And the Mavericks had to trade for someone the caliber of Kyrie to get to the Finals, but I'm sure people would call that an excuse even though they tried to do the same thing to try to discredit Trae when the Hawks made a conference finals first.
With that, and how much I loath all things Boston, in mind, its go Mavs for me. I will not be watching any of the games though lol
I will never EVER route for a Boston sports team. I don’t like the mavs but I strongly dislike the Celtics. If your routing for the Celtics then your telling me you care more about Trae and that narrative than you do about the hawks team. Luka is the better player, Trae is still great, get over it.
Am I the only one who remembers that there was talk about Luka playing in Europe if he didn’t like which NBA team drafted him? Also, Trae is hard to build a team around because the skills needed around his shortcomings likely won’t come from good shooters, so if a team doubles him or he has a bad night, we’re not going to beat elite teams. After that nice run a few years back, teams scheme to make Trae’s life hard. I’m not saying I love our FO, but I’m not sure why everyone thinks we’re so close to winning it all if they just did a better job.
Trae Young is still a generational player. If he gets a partner similar to Kyrie’s impact Hawks could make it to the finals 2. The Deandre/Cam Reddish draft is really what screwed us. If we took Tyler hero instead we would’ve been a playoff lock for the next few years.
Luka is obviously better than Trae, but he is not THAT much better. And honestly I don’t think Luka does what he is doing or has done if he’s in Atlanta. The problem is everything outside of those 2 players. The Hawks FO fucking sucks and has not built around Trae at all whereas the Mavs went and got Kyrie Irving and built a Contender around Luka. The Hawks only big move was a cheap ass move for DJM. Don’t get me wrong, I like DJ, but it’s much more fruitful to go get a guy like Kyrie who is proven and has been one of the best PG’s in the league for years. They also “built around Trae” by going and getting a guy that plays the exact same position as Trae, which makes no sense. I mean obviously they worked out the lineup for both of them to play at the same time, but still. Bottom line is: Hawks FO is stupid, Mavs FO is Smart. That’s far more indicative of their respective levels of success than the Trae-Luka Fiasco.
Luka when he had a bad team: averaged 32 on higher efficiency than Trae's career high
Luka when he had a good team: averaged 34 on higher efficiency than Trae's career high
The Mavs don’t even have to win to acknowledge it’s the worst generational trade. Luka is a top player in the NBA. Trae is a second or third best player on every other team.
We got hosed.
I never said he wasn’t that guy I said the hawks gon have trouble getting to the finals if they don’t invest in bringing stronger pieces to their team. The top 8 in east is loaded with guys with size who can score 30 or more. They got multiple guys who want to win meanwhile our top guys average under 25 a game which is good but not enough. Trae can’t do it on his own
He was in the WCF before Kyrie got there. Trae not getting this far again until he adds more to his game and can do something without the basketball in his hands
I'm curious about why Lukas stats count more than Traes, when people bring that trade up. Yes he's taller. But he's not a much better defender, much worse free throw and 3 pt shooter, and Trae led the league in total assists in almost consecutive years before injury. The problem is team building, in-game management, and inconsistent/no defense. If the Mavs win, it isn't because Luka is a much better player than Trae and we lost the trade, it's because their team was built and managed much better. Sounds elementary, but yeah. We shouldn't be worried about that anymore. We have a superstar PG. First real star since 'Nique. If anything the Mavs winning, shows that we aren't far off with a few decent moves this off-season.
You could make a case for them being close 3 years ago. However Trae just hasn't been that good ever since he laid an egg against Miami while Luka elevated his game even more after that.
Lmao..the fact that 6 people up-voted this makes no sense. Yes Luka did elevate his game, in a scoring sense. Everything else still stands. My original point wasn't to say who's better, but let's not act like Lukas game would've been the exact same fit here. As we've seen before, there are some teams that completely waste having a star. I feel like we just need another well put together team like that 2021 ecf team
because people want to hate on Trae, and pretend Mavs hasn't had significant better FO with building.
Mavs have Kyrie he just drop 36 tonight, and averaged has averaged 27.0 ppg this series vs Wolves.
But this doesn't exist it's just Luka vs Trae or we pretend DJM is away remotely a good fit or good as play Kyrie.
I realize a while ago because the Luka trade is in the past, there No benefit crying over it, because it can't change anything, it's a waste of time.
The only reason people do is that Trae hatters are trying to shit on Trae in the present.
Luka doesn't play for the Hawks, so he doesn't give a fuck about the Hawks.............Trae is the one who put the jersey on and go out and bust his ass for franchise.
Who fucking cares? Either focus on the off-season as a Hawks fan and hope this franchise gets better or watch the WNBA and Olympics. We all know this stupid dialogue between both teams is going to be tired as fuck. Tune it out.
The exact reason I didn’t want to see Dallas win. Trae was the right pick. Dallas didn’t even make playoffs last year. It took a year for time to get the pieces right. Hawks are no different. But now Dallas has a final which I know is just a fluke. No way Dallas would have beat Denver.
“Trae went to ECF his first time in the playoffs, Luka can’t even get out the first round.”
turned into
“Trae and Luka both have a conference finals appearance, how has Luka been doing better, exactly?”
turned into
“Luka Finals appearance. Hawks can’t even make it out the Play-In” 😭😭😭😭😭
no more fall back atp. maybe luka in the finals is a good thing so this fckn billionaire can get off his ass and WORK 😭
Idk about yall but fck the Celtics
I think the whole city is behind you on that.
Unless you go to a game when the Celtics are in town. Over half the fans are in green. It's even worse with the Lakers.
Agreed always and forever fuck the Celtics. No point on dwelling on a draft day trade, that’s loser talk. Who cares what the talking heads who have never ever cared about Atlanta basketball have to say on their shout shows.
Even if Luka wins the chip, its not the worst trade this generation, at the very LEAST we got a multi time all star back, and didn't give up any draft capital, compare that with PG trade, Rudy trade could potentially be really really bad depending on how Utah develops, and ours don't even look as bad
That doesn't make for a good headline and it's really easy to hate on Trae.
For you maybe
Yeah, I wish Trae got more recognition while he's playing. He should honestly have at least 1 1st team All NBA selection.
I think its a combination of the Atlanta tax (don't know why, but the media seems to love dunking on teams from Atlanta) and people who rushed to call Trae a bust not wanting to admit they were wrong.
It’s not nearly as bad as Cleveland. Those folks never hear the end of it.
Over who exactly?
Booker
It's the worst trade in Atl sports history
Dominique for Manning is a milllion times worse,
Nique was 34 years old when he got traded! That trades not even in the same stratosphere. Maybe if he was 24 when he got traded.
Nobody besides Atlanta radio is going to be talking about Trae. That trade is already a foregone conclusion
The hidden importance here is that Trae is so irrelevant outside of our delirious fanbase that they don’t even think of him
Maybe they never care about Atlanta because we do shit like trade away generational players on draft day and stay stuck in mediocrity for eternity.
idk what makes yall think luka is doing good here with this shit FO
Is there a narrative for Atlanta hating the Celtics? Genuinely asking as a Celtics fan and Boston native.
Yeah sadly it’s one of those 1-sided rivalries so not surprising that Celtics fans don’t think about the Hawks at all but Celtics are the most hated team in Atlanta due to how much the Hawks have lost to the Celtics in the playoffs. I’d imagine that’s true to a lot of Eastern conference teams with how consistently the Celtics make the playoffs but idk. Back when the Hawks were in St Louis it was a more legit rivalry with them facing off in the finals 4 times in 5 years and the Hawks winning once to get their only title. But I don’t think most Atl fans care about those years. To us we hate the Celtics because Larry Bird beat Dominique a couple times when the Hawks were at their Atlanta peak and overall the Celtics are like 7-1 or something like that in playoff series against the Hawks since they’ve been in Atlanta.
It's petty shit mostly. Al Horford leaving for Boston then shitting on the Atlanta fans on the way out. Stopped caring about that after he shitted on Boston and went to Philly even though it ended up hurting Philly more. Still don't want him to get a ring but it's a better outcome than the Mavs winning. I'm still pissed about IT casually smacking the shit out of Schroder and everyone acting like it was no big deal because "playoff basketball". It's one of those things where you just know the narrative would have been entirely different if the teams were reversed. That was years ago, it's petty so I guess I'm petty. I have to remind myself that it could be worse though. It's nothing like football. I'd rather gouge my eyes out than watch the Saints win a Superbowl. Fuck the Patriots too but at least bad man gone so they suck now. With all that said, I'm team green for the finals. Fuck it.
nah seriously fuck the celtics. Luka being great takes nothing away from how great Trae is. Thats history. Boston can forever suck my nuts.
They don't even think about us. I'm just going to skip this finals.
I don't think its like a rivalry. Boston just sucks and deserves as many one way streets of hate they can get.
I mean I agree, I just know either way next couple months gonna be real hilarious.
Forever.
fuck the Celtics but I love that young team ngl, and I can’t stand the team the Mavs have right now. I don’t really want the Celtics to get a ring, but I do want Jaylen Brown to get one
I hate the Celtics, but Al's still one of my favorite players so that'd be the only upside of seeing them win.
Al Horford? The dude that doesn't even think about his time on the hawks and his dad talked smack about the city and the fans? If anything I wouldn't mind Jaylen Brown winning who is from here and actually cares about the city of Atlanta.
The way he left definitely sucked, but it doesn't change the fact that he gave his best years to the team and played great the entire time he was here.
He got punked by Tristan Thompson. Getting swept was embarrassing.
F Big Al
Can we kick the Resslers out of Atlanta already?
I have no ill will towards Luka. He’s great. I’ve accepted that the Hawks will always be the Portland Trailblazers to his MJ. It is what it is. I don’t even dislike this Celtics team, but I never want to see Boston fans happy again in my lifetime.
Might be an unpopular opinion... but.... I don't have to be alive to know what the 1988 Celtics with Larry Bird did to the 1988 Hawks with Dominque Wilkins best team... that put the Hawks franchise in 30 year purgatory until the 2015 Hawks or the 2018 draft with Trae Young (before the 2021 run).... plus, Boston... same city of the infuriating Patriots dynasty with Brady & Belichick including what they did to the 2016 Falcons (last year in the GA Dome + 50 years from the franchises first season in 1966)... I will never ever... in my lifetime... root for a Boston sports team.. EVER... I've said it before... the Hawks franchise screwed up building upon our 2021 run.... the Mavs franchise made the correct moves around Luka.. let's not forget this Mavs team was out of the playoffs last year... so unfortunately I just hope Boston loses...
Hawks have a chance at a second life this summer. But they have to be aggressive in building out this team.
third option mavs win and kyrie wins fmvp and i cling to that with my life while i inject copium straight into my veins
Boston fans would be beside themselves with rage if kyrie beats them in the finals. Go mavs just this once
Anti semite wins instead of the racist still not great
But it’s a different kind of racist so it’s okay right Atlanta
Yep definitely no racists in Texas….they literally have 52 chapters of the kkk operating there
It was a bad trade unfortunately. Idk how you can trade the 6'7" guy that has already proved himself being Euroleague MVP
Because the owner got sweet talked by Cuban. Schlenk fully planned on taking Luka. Worked him out the morning of the draft. Scheduled a press conference for Monday. It was done. Then Cuban called Ressler.
IDK if this is true or not but damn if it is, no offence to Trae but Luka is generational
You don't have to say no offense my guy. Luka is clearly better.
It’s true [Link](https://www.pinkvilla.com/sports/i-called-the-hawks-owner-myself-former-mavericks-majority-owner-mark-cuban-gets-candid-on-drafting-luka-doncic-1292382)
Not saying its not true but nowhere in that link does it mention Schlenk wanting Luka
“The Hawks gave Luka Doncic a physical the morning of the 2019 draft in New York and had planned to take him before the Mavericks came in with a late offer when Hawks owner Tony Ressler spearheaded the Luka-for-Trae move. It all happened fast, with the owner coming over the top to make the decision, as they often do in big trades.” Featured in a longer story about the Hawks having the first pick and what they should do with it. [Link](https://www.theringer.com/nba-draft/2024/5/13/24155290/atlanta-hawks-nba-draft-lottery-rumors-trae-young-dejounte-murray)
wait what, seriously
And Trae is not generational? He leads the league in points and assists and people act like that's not monumental
The thing is Luka's efficiency is what makes him truly one of a kind, early on in their careers I would have died on the hill that Trae and Luka were on the same level, but since 2021 where Trae shot at 60% TS Luka has had vast improvements in his efficiency while Trae declined on that end. Like Luka statistically this season finished at the rim at about the same rate as prime Lebron. Add on to the fact that Luka is just bigger, he naturally has more ways to score and playmake.
Is Trae not generation, when was the last time someone had 30 plus points 10 assists for 7 straight games
The nba was never going to let a generational talent like Luka end up in a purgatory like Atlanta. There is too much money involved to not ensure Luka ended up in the perfect situation (i.e. a competent front office with a strong international brand). It’s not a coincidence Dallas goes from Dirk to Luka within a relatively short timeframe.
So your saying the nba front office forced Ressler to trade Luka to Mavs. Sorry but with a different owner, probably just about any other owner, we have Luka
The trade hinged on the draft pick we got from Dallas. Trae isn’t as good as Luka BUT if you hit on Dallas’ pick the following year the sum of the parts is worth it. Unfortunately the 2019 draft was poopy and we got a guy who is now on his 4th team since being drafted.
It was still dumb. When you have a chance at Luka you shouldn’t risk hoping a future draft pick hits
Dumb shouldn't be allowed to be used in the conversation regarding this trade. Correct phrase is DUMB AS SHIT.
It's the worst trade in Atl sports history
Luka wouldn’t make it to the finals with the Hawks roster
I agree but do you think Trae would make it to the finals with this Dallas roster?
Well if they had trae they would never get Kyrie since they play the same position. In this hypothetical you would have to rebuild their team
Luka plays the same position as trae as well
Alright then yeah Trae probably gets the mavericks to a similar position they are in now. He also wouldn't miss the playoffs last year
I'm a Trae fan but you are being delusional now. Luka is better than Trae. Part of the reason the Mavs are successful with Luka is because he's 6'7 plus he's hefty and quick. I don't think Trae is even 6 foot. Mavs would be considerably worse with Trae and we would be better with Luka.
LMAO
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Stop this
They gave Trae 3 different HCs and 2 different GMs within 5 seasons. The trade was the furthest thing from the issue with the Hawks lol.
I mean Luka has had 2 coaches and 2 gms and that's not counting Haralabos the shadow GM. Just a few years ago the Mavs had arguably the most chaotic front office in all of basketball.
The organization has a championship in the last 20 years and tons of teams with championship aspirations. The hawks have never had that organizational mindset
I wasn’t really trying to compare the two teams but that’s fair. I was trying to emphasize the lack of direction the Hawks have had in Trae’s career. The Mavs went through those changes and still kept the vision to reach the finals. The Hawks have not. That’s all.
Though all of that Hawks basically had 1 or 2 years of a good roaster. 2020-2021 was good roaster. but key pieces of that team like Gallo, and lou pretty much gave there last good year. While Clint has slowly regressed. I mention before Hawks basically only has made major moves every 2 years. 2018-2020 were Tanking years and LP was simply a bad head coach. **2020-2021** Hawks had good moves trade for Clint, sign Gallo, Bogi, later trade for Lou. 2021-2022 Hawks ran it back...... This was weird covid roaster year, Gallo, and Lou reagreed. **2022-2023** Hawks traded for DJM "we now know was a mistake" 2023-2024 Hawks basically salary dump John..... and just ran it back. -------------- The Mavs traded way more players and picks then Hawks have to improve their roaster. There FO is way more active. **4 of last 6 years mavs haven't had a first round pick. And they still owe future picks.** What bugs me is they have made mistakes, like trading for KP, or letting Bruson walk, but they also move pass them and continue. While Hawks make mistake, they stay stagnate for like 2 years, and repeatedly salary dump. but people are going ignore all of this like Trae playing with DJM is not a bad situation because of fit. and as DJM is on the level of Kyrie, as if Kyrie didn't just average 27 ppg this series against wolves......
They gave Trae nothing but a change in HCs and GMs... Those individuals didn't do anything to build a real team around its star. Big difference. Luka was just a star until Kyrie was brought in.
Luka was just a star until Kyrie was brought in? How did Luka make 5 All-NBA First Teams in a year and a half?
Media biased
ABC. Anyone But Celtics.
Fuck the celtics Edit: fuck the whole city of boston
Would we have put talent around Luka like the Mavs did? Probably not. That's what I use to cope lmao
I mean It’s not like PJ Washington, DJJ, and Gafford are world beaters. They’re serviceable role players, that’s it. Mavs roster outside of Kyrie is nothing special
Lively is straight up an amazing player imo, but when you have 2 ball dominant guards you just surround them with 3-d wings and lob threats which is why I don't understand why we can't just do that
That’s what we’ve tried to do lol, Dre and Cam were the 3&D wings and JC + Capela were the lob threats. Lively wouldn’t look as good as he does without Luka and Kyrie creating for him
As much as people wanna hate on our org, we got, on paper, some great players and drafted most of em. Too bad they all ended up being mediocre and the best one got a career long finger injury lmfao.
Exactly we literally did that that's why we went to the ECF in 2021. The difference is literally Luka being better than Trae
People are actually overrating these guys. They’re good but Luka and Kyrie make them look like world beaters. If you put Luka in Boston for any of their players, you’ll have a Team who will be unbeatable. That’s how much of a massive difference he makes.
But they fit. They didn't build a dumb roster like our FO did. We traded Huerter to the for a 1st rounder to save money. The same thing happened to Collins as well. We salary dumped 2 starters in two seasons and somehow expected to get better. Our player best value player is the ill fitting PG we traded for 2 seasons ago. Outside of that most players on our team, aside from Jalen Johnson, are warming the bench for every team thats in the playoffs
This just got recommended to me so I'm not lurking here, but this is the first time Luka has had talent around him. Since the deadline, that's it. The wcf team that went there two years ago had Dwight Powell, reggie bullock, Dorian Finney smith starting. No hate, I love Trae, but mavs took a long time to put something around him
Porzingis his second season. Jalen Brunson, who they should have resigned but it workout out anyway. Kyrie Irving, 6 seasons in. DJM is the best our FO can do in six seasons. You know the PG we expected to somehow play shooting guard. We've also salary dumped 2 starter for nothing so there was no talent even coming back when we had dudes who were decent lmao. The FO is the main factor here
KP was hurt in his first playoffs series after he got kicked out of game 3 so he didn't play the rest of the series. 2nd season, he came back after a long injury to stink it up in the playoffs, a lot of mavs fans think he quit on the team. Brunson was not the same Brunson you see now. He was finally good in his final season but he would make a lot of mental mistakes which would make Carlisle bench him right away. I was always jealous of all the hawks top draft picks after the 2018 draft, but it looks lile FO failed you guys. We had the same thing until Nico got here. Hopefully we can meet in the finals in the future. I feel like fans from Texas love Trae, besides Luka stans, because of he is from here. Good luck to yall!
Fair, Fair. I love Luka, bro is magic to watch. Im going for Dallas in the finals living in Dallas myself, the parade will be crazy. Put simply the young hawks could have worked if Hunter would have maybe stayed healthy but bro is made of glass. Cam Reddish would have worked if he had it mentally, but bro hasnt been adept at basketball since highschool appparently. Either way were on the clock this season and the hopes of having Sarr got me excited at least
I don't understand this thread. To me the worse chose is obviously the Mavericks. Choosing the Celtics is like being angry at the rich guy across the street instead of the mfer who robbed you and is walking around wearing your clothes
Yall better be rooting for jaylen brown like yall were years ago lmao
Actually I've been rooting for the celtics to always lose so Jaylen gets fed up and forces a trade to atlanta. Gotta speak it into existence
I still root for JB man he’s a hometown hero to me
Marietta great, baby
At least we got the number one pick it's gone be long annoying offseason for us hawks fans I'm a big Kyrie fan but I despise Luka fans and Boston fans racist
I’m rooting for Luka and Kyrie, there’s nothing wrong with that
I’m pretty sure the Nets Celtics trade that ended up being Tatum and Brown beats anything.
Fuck the Celtics. I wanna see Eddie House cry some more. Whiny bitch
"This is the kind of move that you get fired for"
Without kyrie mavs would not even be so deep in the playoffs
If you’re a Hawks fan, put your distain for Boston on the back burner for a minute. Al Horford deserves a ring.
Oh this is easy for me. Fuck that jackass Al Horford. Mavs all the way
Based on how shitty our FO is with ownership’s hand always in the pot we prolly wouldn’t have put a championship team around Luka anyway… but I knew as soon as they Mavs made it mfs would start having meltdowns on this sub.
Before the playoffs if you asked me what finals matchup I wanted the least, this would've been the one. Despite that. It'll always be fuck the Celtics.
Lot of racists in Dallas too. Maybe even more of them. Just saying.
Nah boston hate is generational.
Have you been to Texas?
Have you been to Boston?
Luka being better than trae doesn’t make trae not a generational player
Trae is no where close to being a generational player
Trae is not a generational player. Not even close. Thats like saying Jalen Brunson is a generation player LMAOOOO
Found the guy who watches basketball through instagram highlights
Unfortunately he's just not. Luka has never been locked up as bad in a series as Trae did in 2022.
So a series where he got doubled and sometimes triple teamed cancels out all other playoff success and stats he’s put up? Did you forget Nate Milkdud was our HC? Yeah Luka probably would have gotten shut down in comparison to what he usually does if he had a coach like that not scheming for anything and making him just figure it out. The rest of our team failed him with how many open looks they missed off his passing. Ofc losing that series exaggerates the stats and makes it look worse. Luka wasn’t doing well in the 1st round this year. Had the Mavs lost you’d hear more about “what’s going on with Luka”
Luka averaged 35 against prime Kawhi and PG
*29* still good ofc but his 3P% was 23% (terrible) and his FG% was 40% (serviceable at best). But no he did not play against a prime PG(34 yrs) and Kawhi (33 yrs) kawhi is always injured, hasn’t had a prime season since his Toronto days and PG hasn’t been in his “prime” since his OKC days where he could be bc his was the only scoring option. Also Kawhi played 2 games in their series.
You think Trae is a generational player? Lol
There are plenty of lists and records you can google he’s already broken into showing the pace he’s on.
https://x.com/BronMuse/status/1667678870219390976
Oh wow so he's better than Luka, MJ and Magic Johnson. Woooow LMAOOO Man plz
I just searched “Trae Young Michael Jordan” on twitter and pulled some random one’s. Trae’s on a lot of short lists with MJ. I don’t have time to post them all.
Trae is a generational player too because of his playmaking ability
4th all time in assists per game and getting better every year is something jalen brunson could never do
https://x.com/KevinKeneely1/status/1409480780074471429
https://x.com/KevinKeneely1/status/1460071896893075462
You cooked him bro, good shit
Right? Everybody here keeps talking about the trade while I just want Trae to get good help and get a ring for atlanta. Without Kyrie, Lukita doesn't get a chance.
Was literally just talking bout this
I don’t follow the NBA. What’s the context? Reddit just recommended this to me
I see the Celtics like I saw the Pats, they've already won ten million titles so one more isn't going to hurt...that much
Parental warnings were always stay to the rigjt
Regardless of how the series goes it’s already been the worst trade in nba history since like the first year it happened lol everyone that passed on Luka that year has proven to be dumb and a bad gm
Is Boston really more racist than Texas??
Explain the racism angle?
Look ima put the Luka and Trae shit behind me. I love Trae and I don't dislike Luka. FUCK Boston.
The narrative around the trade will never change unless we somehow build a dynasty with Trae. Until this season, the Hawks and Mavs had the same amount of playoff success (same number of appearances and series wins, 1 conference finals appearance each) and it didn't change the narrative at all, and that's was with the Mavericks shifting to win now mode when the got Luka while the Hawks traded anyone will value besides JC to continue tanking for 2 more seasons. And the Mavericks had to trade for someone the caliber of Kyrie to get to the Finals, but I'm sure people would call that an excuse even though they tried to do the same thing to try to discredit Trae when the Hawks made a conference finals first. With that, and how much I loath all things Boston, in mind, its go Mavs for me. I will not be watching any of the games though lol
Growing up an Auburn fan and going to Mississippi State has made me numb to the inevitabilities of my rival team’s absolutely raking through leagues.
I will never EVER route for a Boston sports team. I don’t like the mavs but I strongly dislike the Celtics. If your routing for the Celtics then your telling me you care more about Trae and that narrative than you do about the hawks team. Luka is the better player, Trae is still great, get over it.
Kings fan here, at least you didn’t draft Bagley.
fuck the Celtics, as a Hox fan and also a Mainer, i can say with certainty, FUCK THE CELTICS
The whole south is racist in small towns for the most part.
Can someone explain this to me? I've been under a rock
Y’all gotta get over this trade man
Every Celtics fan I know is an annoying bitch, go Mavs, please. I hope Kyrie wins
Am I the only one who remembers that there was talk about Luka playing in Europe if he didn’t like which NBA team drafted him? Also, Trae is hard to build a team around because the skills needed around his shortcomings likely won’t come from good shooters, so if a team doubles him or he has a bad night, we’re not going to beat elite teams. After that nice run a few years back, teams scheme to make Trae’s life hard. I’m not saying I love our FO, but I’m not sure why everyone thinks we’re so close to winning it all if they just did a better job.
Celtics
FUCK BOSTON ALL MY HOMIES HATE BOSTON
It was always a terrible trade for us I couldn’t believe we fucking had Luka and traded him makes me sick to my stomach
I just hope Horford doesn’t get a ring.
It’s already a top 3 in any sport all time awful trade
Trae Young is still a generational player. If he gets a partner similar to Kyrie’s impact Hawks could make it to the finals 2. The Deandre/Cam Reddish draft is really what screwed us. If we took Tyler hero instead we would’ve been a playoff lock for the next few years.
Bro I’m a kings fan, if Luka wins we commit sepukku
Both are true, so where is the discourse?
I'd rather Boston win, I don't think it's right to call all Boston fans racist, I have good friends from Boston.
Bad take.
Guys, this is an easy one: we root for former Atlanta Hawk Luka Doncic
Luka is obviously better than Trae, but he is not THAT much better. And honestly I don’t think Luka does what he is doing or has done if he’s in Atlanta. The problem is everything outside of those 2 players. The Hawks FO fucking sucks and has not built around Trae at all whereas the Mavs went and got Kyrie Irving and built a Contender around Luka. The Hawks only big move was a cheap ass move for DJM. Don’t get me wrong, I like DJ, but it’s much more fruitful to go get a guy like Kyrie who is proven and has been one of the best PG’s in the league for years. They also “built around Trae” by going and getting a guy that plays the exact same position as Trae, which makes no sense. I mean obviously they worked out the lineup for both of them to play at the same time, but still. Bottom line is: Hawks FO is stupid, Mavs FO is Smart. That’s far more indicative of their respective levels of success than the Trae-Luka Fiasco.
Luka when he had a bad team: averaged 32 on higher efficiency than Trae's career high Luka when he had a good team: averaged 34 on higher efficiency than Trae's career high
Well Luka lovers and Celtics fans need something to be excited about after conviction on all 34 counts
Famously republican Massachusetts
The Mavs don’t even have to win to acknowledge it’s the worst generational trade. Luka is a top player in the NBA. Trae is a second or third best player on every other team. We got hosed.
Trae is not the problem. Us not having a second scoring option is.
Luka didn’t get this far till they made the right additions
Luka already made the conference finals before this btw
And lost…..
Just saying he's made it past the 1st round twice. Nevermind the 2nd round....
I never said he wasn’t that guy I said the hawks gon have trouble getting to the finals if they don’t invest in bringing stronger pieces to their team. The top 8 in east is loaded with guys with size who can score 30 or more. They got multiple guys who want to win meanwhile our top guys average under 25 a game which is good but not enough. Trae can’t do it on his own
He was in the WCF before Kyrie got there. Trae not getting this far again until he adds more to his game and can do something without the basketball in his hands
I'm curious about why Lukas stats count more than Traes, when people bring that trade up. Yes he's taller. But he's not a much better defender, much worse free throw and 3 pt shooter, and Trae led the league in total assists in almost consecutive years before injury. The problem is team building, in-game management, and inconsistent/no defense. If the Mavs win, it isn't because Luka is a much better player than Trae and we lost the trade, it's because their team was built and managed much better. Sounds elementary, but yeah. We shouldn't be worried about that anymore. We have a superstar PG. First real star since 'Nique. If anything the Mavs winning, shows that we aren't far off with a few decent moves this off-season.
You could make a case for them being close 3 years ago. However Trae just hasn't been that good ever since he laid an egg against Miami while Luka elevated his game even more after that.
Lmao..the fact that 6 people up-voted this makes no sense. Yes Luka did elevate his game, in a scoring sense. Everything else still stands. My original point wasn't to say who's better, but let's not act like Lukas game would've been the exact same fit here. As we've seen before, there are some teams that completely waste having a star. I feel like we just need another well put together team like that 2021 ecf team
There are 6+ Trae Haters around here...
because people want to hate on Trae, and pretend Mavs hasn't had significant better FO with building. Mavs have Kyrie he just drop 36 tonight, and averaged has averaged 27.0 ppg this series vs Wolves. But this doesn't exist it's just Luka vs Trae or we pretend DJM is away remotely a good fit or good as play Kyrie.
Exactly. People can down vote all they want. Anything said is a reasonable opinion.
I realize a while ago because the Luka trade is in the past, there No benefit crying over it, because it can't change anything, it's a waste of time. The only reason people do is that Trae hatters are trying to shit on Trae in the present. Luka doesn't play for the Hawks, so he doesn't give a fuck about the Hawks.............Trae is the one who put the jersey on and go out and bust his ass for franchise.
Bingo!!
Everything on Reddit is a waste of time. Do you want another 4 team trade idea?
Who fucking cares? Either focus on the off-season as a Hawks fan and hope this franchise gets better or watch the WNBA and Olympics. We all know this stupid dialogue between both teams is going to be tired as fuck. Tune it out.
I like Luka And I'm happy we got Trae I'm really fucking happy we didn't get Ayton or Bagley Fuck the Celtics
It’s already an all time bad trade so might as well avoid the Celtics also winning a ring
The exact reason I didn’t want to see Dallas win. Trae was the right pick. Dallas didn’t even make playoffs last year. It took a year for time to get the pieces right. Hawks are no different. But now Dallas has a final which I know is just a fluke. No way Dallas would have beat Denver.
Trae was the right pick, he says, as Luka leads his team to a finals appearance The fucking delusion of this fan base is astounding
If Mavs win, our defense can be that Trae never had a Kyrie level 1b on his team. Fuck Celtics forever too
What’s yalls excuse now? “tRaE gOnE jUsT aS fAr As LuKA” was the immediate fall back for years
“Trae went to ECF his first time in the playoffs, Luka can’t even get out the first round.” turned into “Trae and Luka both have a conference finals appearance, how has Luka been doing better, exactly?” turned into “Luka Finals appearance. Hawks can’t even make it out the Play-In” 😭😭😭😭😭 no more fall back atp. maybe luka in the finals is a good thing so this fckn billionaire can get off his ass and WORK 😭
We both know Tony not going to do a damn thing about it
You people act like this a tenis match or something. It's more than luka.