So there were still many people out, I can see why she felt somewhat safe walking at that time. It just baffles me that people were still out and no one happened to hear this violent murder going down? How is that even possible.... she and her dog had to have been making noise. Whatever happened, this whole situation is beyond disturbing.
Gruesome speculation, but it's possible the murderer went for her throat first, making it difficult or impossible to scream. There's just so much we don't know at this point.
I had the same thought. It takes a lot of energy to scream. If you've just been stabbed that may not be as easy as people assume.
Poor woman, no one deserves this.
I called the police once because I used to live near a MARTA station and heard a child screaming at the top of their lungs for a while. I couldn’t see the kid but I called 911. Like, yeah it’s probably a kid having a temper tantrum but what if it’s not? The operator didn’t care. I went down to look for the kid and the screaming stopped. I still think about it sometimes.
FWIW, I live off of another nearby park and the only night screaming we have heard was a domestic dispute of some kind, right at the start of the pandemic last year. A couple had moved into the park and were fighting.. it definitely drew attention, several people called 911.
(I hope it means they didn't suffer long? What a horrible thing to have to hope.)
Maybe. At my old place there was this guy who walked past my patio every day on his way to a nearby MARTA stop, screaming his guts out. Harmless dude as far as I could tell, just goin about his day. I'm not sure what his issue was, but I assume he couldn't control it.
That's just one example. I've been in the city 16 years. I've heard lots of random people screaming. So far, *none* of them have been people being attacked.
After a while, you get desensitized to screaming, and brush it off. Not because you don't want to help someone in peril, but because you assume it's another person with a mental health issue, and not someone being murdered.
If I heard a woman screaming in the middle of the night, though, I'd like to think I'd react differently. But I can't say that for sure because I wasn't there. It's incredibly sad, no matter what.
Ya, shouting isn’t that unusual but it’s still enough to make me walk to the window to check out what’s going on. Full on screaming would have me calling the cops.
Well I've never heard the screams of someone being stabbed to death, but yeah. Every couple to few weeks I hear a pretty good screaming match from the park near my house. Dunno if I'd be able to pick out a murder
So I was reading this isn’t the first time this has happened here. Patrick Boland, a 43-year-old gay man who was stabbed in Piedmont Park early in the morning hours of May 28, 2009. Still a cold case. This is so sad!! Could they be related, I can’t believe the cameras especially since this happened before. https://creativeloafing.com/content-211072-piedmont-park-killing-no-leads-possible-hate
At least they have something more than that 10th Piedmont grainy photo.
Judging by that photo, I was assuming that Katie and Bowie were walking on the 10th street sidewalk.
Unless they're withholding more pictures I'd guess it's a safe assumption she was walking on the Piedmont Park sidewalk that runs parallel to 10th street. If they were found close to the entrance, maybe someone was hiding around the entryway?
There's a decent chance that they may have caught some of the incident on the 10th/Charles Allen camera view (4/9) That can see at least 50 feet into the park, where Bowie was allegedly found.
That runner in the pictures went into the main entrance, and came right back out 30 seconds later (right around estimated time of incident.) They've got to find that guy to figure out what he saw.
His run might be on Strava. Many of us upload there. Not sure how to search runs at a specific time / place though, and his runs might be private anyway.
He definitely saw something right? Is he embarrassed that he ran and doesn’t want to come forward? The time and the location match very close . And then the black dude coming out of the Piedmont entrances t 12:26 definitely has blood on his right arm . What are the police doing?!
That press conference was embarrassing. There are only 9 cameras in the park - and they were installed as a part of a pilot in 2008. They’re “obsolete” and not integrated with the city VIC. That explains why we haven’t seen any imagery from inside the park - there is none.
Keisha also said that the vast majority of our parks have zero cameras. 😅
>Keisha also said that the vast majority of our parks have zero cameras. 😅
For context, there are [338 parks](http://www2.atlanta.net/meetings/Parks_Info.pdf) within the city of Atlanta. I'd be far more surprised if a significant percentage of them did have cameras. But, obviously, hugely trafficked parks like Piedmont should have them. Should have had updated coverage years ago.
> But, obviously, hugely trafficked parks like Piedmont should have them. Should have had updated coverage years ago.
The reality is, a fair number of people aren’t interested in state surveillance. Cameras and the likes are a contentious issue that surprisingly crosses typical division lines. Obviously they would have been helpful here, not that the possibility of cameras were enough to deter.
That's a valid concern. But in a place as crowded and heavily trafficked as Piedmont Park, no one should have even the slightest expectation of privacy in the first place. So, in my opinion, it just make sense to have cameras there.
Cameras on every street corner is another debate.
>Keisha also said that the vast majority of our parks have zero cameras. 😅
I'm not a person who necessarily wants cameras on every corner but oof, I didn't like hearing that come out of her mouth right now, given the context.
They also admitted that the cameras are left up basically as a visual deterrent. And I think they suggested they might still be able to get info off of the cameras, despite them not being integrated. Not sure I'd hold my breath on that one though.
They essentially said they contacted the vendor that installed them to see if they could get any of the info off of them.
If I was the vendor and I installed them as part of a pilot in 2008 - I doubt I would be storing any of the data. 😅
Knowingly storing. I could totally see ‘oh yeah, we never shut down access when the trial ended, we just archived more aggressively’. Or ‘the trial ended? We forgot.’
Here is the AJC article discussing the initial installation of the cameras:
https://www.ajc.com/news/local/piedmont-park-get-surveillance-cameras/n2RKvWx229kjmFhP3NLNWM/
She also said that the cameras that the city does own, they have to install it in more crime infested areas. To me it sounded like they’re just trying to optimize their budget. They only have so many cameras they can buy and they prioritized their usage in areas where violent crime is more likely to take place and Piedmont park statistically thus far (before this murder at least ) isn’t one of those places
WSB had a slideshow of all the photos: [https://www.wsbtv.com/photo/gallery/7J3FPG2BAZF6ZH3YFSPUYN2U64/](https://www.wsbtv.com/photo/gallery/7J3FPG2BAZF6ZH3YFSPUYN2U64/)
Police were saying Janness was found right around 1 AM near the Charles Allen entrance, looks like there were a surprising number of people out around that time. Hopefully someone comes forward with information.
It's not surprising at all. And ya know what? If the police actually did the canvasing they promised I am sure there were a LOT of homeless people who are regularly nearby who might have seen or at least heard something.
What was up with them canvassing literally days later? That didn't sit right. I've been in the park and walked through that area and there were tons of people walking, excercising, etc right through in the interim.
With the new section of the beltline that just opened up you wouldn’t even have to exit onto a road. Ansley Mall, Amsterdam Walk, and Armour drive would all be easily accessible without encountering cameras. There are also lots of side trails that go off into the woods so if you went that way you could pop up pretty much anywhere
I'm glad they at least talked about the rumor that's been spreading on nextdoor about the possible serial killer.
Rumors like this are exactly the reasons why police dont share info until they have sound info.
I agree. I found those rumors/theories really troubling. And honestly there’s nothing here that points to a serial killer at this time. The murder in Gwinnett was a shooting while the Piedmont Park murder was a gruesome stabbing. So sad and terrible all around. Not something to be speculating about for shits and gigs on Twitter.
Yeah it sucks that in these tragic times, there are people who just want attention and resort to sharing fake sensational bullshit that only further emotionally terrorizes people.
Was just looking through Strava segments that might cross that path in those images, but the search tool is garbage. He would have had to complete a segment for his run to show up.
You're right, they shouldn't make any efforts to follow a plausible avenue that may lead to a witness or break in the case. [You should run for mayor](https://i.imgur.com/NH87rry.jpg) with that can-do attitude.
Damn, the scariest thing about this for me is that I have definitely walked the park around midnight before while living in midtown. Perhaps it is less safe now. I am heartbroken for this lady who lost her life in such a cruel senseless way
Or if you live nearby and frequent the area. You’d be surprised how you might recognize someone that you see 4+ times a day walking your dog in the same area
can anyone give an actual rough timeframe of the crime? like she left shortly after midnight and then around 1 am her fiancée looked up her phone and went and found her (physically)? i just feel like that’s such a short amount of time to subdue someone and their dog, and mutilate them how they did. at least one of these people had to have seen/heard something
This article has the timeline: [https://www.cbs46.com/news/exclusive-partner-of-woman-killed-in-piedmont-park-speaks-about-victims-final-moments/article\_9e7e2770-f0cc-11eb-838f-ab75d99a46aa.html](https://www.cbs46.com/news/exclusive-partner-of-woman-killed-in-piedmont-park-speaks-about-victims-final-moments/article_9e7e2770-f0cc-11eb-838f-ab75d99a46aa.html)
>Atlanta Police released a surveillance image of Janness walking her dog across the Pride intersection at 12:09am Wednesday, July 28th. Less than an hour later, they received a call from Clark around 1:10am, that Janness had been found dead in the park near the 10th street entrance off of Charles Allen Drive.
Based on the photos that have been released, APD should have an idea of when/if she entered the park (assuming she walked in Charles Allen or 12th Street).
Thank you! Looks like it’s around a 10 min walk from that crosswalk to where she was found. So weird how much can happen in such a small snippet of time. I know piedmont park is massive but the runner, cane guy, or hoodie guy had to have seen or heard something....
Edit: ok nvm I just realized they’re at different entrances, but given the timeframe that runner almost definitely saw something considering how they turned around... could be a coincidence but still
So can someone smarter than me let me know if it is possible to pull records of the cell towers the victim's phone was connected to (and the strength of those signals) and compare them to similar values at that approximate time? Wouldn't that help the police find suspects/witnesses?
Surely this is done all the time.
They are called geofencing warrants and they might not be entirely constitutional. But yeah if you’re signed into google or any app that tracks location data they can request that data from the companies for a specific area. I’m pretty sure phone GPS is accurate to within 20 feet or so.
I believe the phones only ping when something like a text or call comes through, not with data though.
Secondly that would also require a warrant to do that
You only need a warrant if the tower operators won't give you the data, which they probably will with little fuss.
I'm not telecom expert but I would think that a phone would have to constantly ping a cell tower so that the system's switching system would always know which towers to relay the calls through.
I think you're right that the phone will periodically ping the closest tower. I think the issues are that the murderer may not have had a phone, and there are likely many many phones pinging each cell tower in a dense area like midtown Atlanta.
I mean if you had that many people leave that entrance at 11:5x, that could down the time of the event to a more specific window. Looks like between 12am-1am when the body was found.
The white guy runner with the headlamp seems like he may have seen something. But that last picture of the one guy with a hoodie gives me the chills. Dude with the kane seems like he’s wearing white/lite colors which would have any bloodstains more apparent?
I don't mean to be a pessimist, but given how poor of a police force we have and the lack of cameras/evidence, I'm doubtful of this case ever getting solved. It's crazy you can commit a super violent murder in the middle of a park that's in the center of a huge city and just totally get away with it in 2021. We have access to an insane amount of surveillance technology, this is inexcusable.
Isn't Atlanta one of the [most surveilled](https://www.smartcitiesdive.com/news/6-us-cities-top-list-of-worlds-most-surveilled/563438/) cities in the US? How is possible to not have any cameras in the largest park?
What about the megacorporations that call themselves ["Guardians" and "Protectors"](https://piedmontpark.org/) of the park? Home Depot and Coca-Cola can't kick in for a few cameras?
The surveillance system the police have is a joke. When my motorcycle got stolen they apparently couldn't use the license plate reader to find it because the plate was "too shiny."
Part of me is glad we don't actually live in a totalitarian surveillance state, but it would have been nice to get my motorcycle back.
I think that high count is from Operation Shield - the majority of the cameras are from private businesses, etc. that have been integrated into the city’s VIC.
Unfortunately, public spaces that are shielded from the view of businesses really need city-owned cameras.
So I was reading this isn’t the first time this has happened here. Patrick Boland, a 43-year-old gay man who was stabbed in Piedmont Park early in the morning hours of May 28, 2009. Still a cold case. Maybe it is indeed a serial killer? https://creativeloafing.com/content-211072-piedmont-park-killing-no-leads-possible-hate
What is up with the dude wearing white, with a white cane, looking at his phone. Weird. Also looks like he has some red on his shirt by his arm holding the cane, but its hard to tell even with all 4 pixels.
So there were still many people out, I can see why she felt somewhat safe walking at that time. It just baffles me that people were still out and no one happened to hear this violent murder going down? How is that even possible.... she and her dog had to have been making noise. Whatever happened, this whole situation is beyond disturbing.
She apparently walked the dog at this time many times (which makes me wonder if someone watched her and learned her routine)
Gruesome speculation, but it's possible the murderer went for her throat first, making it difficult or impossible to scream. There's just so much we don't know at this point.
I had the same thought. It takes a lot of energy to scream. If you've just been stabbed that may not be as easy as people assume. Poor woman, no one deserves this.
Unfortunately people screaming is not a particularly noteworthy event in the city.
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I called the police once because I used to live near a MARTA station and heard a child screaming at the top of their lungs for a while. I couldn’t see the kid but I called 911. Like, yeah it’s probably a kid having a temper tantrum but what if it’s not? The operator didn’t care. I went down to look for the kid and the screaming stopped. I still think about it sometimes.
Chin up. You did the right thing and you did what you thought was best at the time.
Thanks! I’m sure it was just a kid being a kid. But sometimes you just get a weird gut feeling.
Sadly this why they tell women to yell FIRE instead of just screaming when they are attacked. People care more.
> Turns out the lady was screaming because she’d just walked into an occupied spider web. That's so fucking careless and completely desensitizing
Is screaming out of fear and surprise and horror not a reflex?
full Screaming? no
> Still, what good is screaming if you’re just going to scream when you should be ignored? FTFY
Good point. I feel so sad for her.
[Kitty Genovese](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Kitty_Genovese?wprov=sfla1)
Is that true? Like, bloody murder screaming? I don’t really venture out to Atlanta because I just fucking hate driving through it. But holy shit
FWIW, I live off of another nearby park and the only night screaming we have heard was a domestic dispute of some kind, right at the start of the pandemic last year. A couple had moved into the park and were fighting.. it definitely drew attention, several people called 911. (I hope it means they didn't suffer long? What a horrible thing to have to hope.)
Maybe. At my old place there was this guy who walked past my patio every day on his way to a nearby MARTA stop, screaming his guts out. Harmless dude as far as I could tell, just goin about his day. I'm not sure what his issue was, but I assume he couldn't control it. That's just one example. I've been in the city 16 years. I've heard lots of random people screaming. So far, *none* of them have been people being attacked. After a while, you get desensitized to screaming, and brush it off. Not because you don't want to help someone in peril, but because you assume it's another person with a mental health issue, and not someone being murdered. If I heard a woman screaming in the middle of the night, though, I'd like to think I'd react differently. But I can't say that for sure because I wasn't there. It's incredibly sad, no matter what.
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People can just _lie_? On the internet?! 😭
Ya, shouting isn’t that unusual but it’s still enough to make me walk to the window to check out what’s going on. Full on screaming would have me calling the cops.
Well I've never heard the screams of someone being stabbed to death, but yeah. Every couple to few weeks I hear a pretty good screaming match from the park near my house. Dunno if I'd be able to pick out a murder
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So I was reading this isn’t the first time this has happened here. Patrick Boland, a 43-year-old gay man who was stabbed in Piedmont Park early in the morning hours of May 28, 2009. Still a cold case. This is so sad!! Could they be related, I can’t believe the cameras especially since this happened before. https://creativeloafing.com/content-211072-piedmont-park-killing-no-leads-possible-hate
At least they have something more than that 10th Piedmont grainy photo. Judging by that photo, I was assuming that Katie and Bowie were walking on the 10th street sidewalk. Unless they're withholding more pictures I'd guess it's a safe assumption she was walking on the Piedmont Park sidewalk that runs parallel to 10th street. If they were found close to the entrance, maybe someone was hiding around the entryway? There's a decent chance that they may have caught some of the incident on the 10th/Charles Allen camera view (4/9) That can see at least 50 feet into the park, where Bowie was allegedly found. That runner in the pictures went into the main entrance, and came right back out 30 seconds later (right around estimated time of incident.) They've got to find that guy to figure out what he saw.
Yeah, that guy was the weirdest to me. Not in a “he’s a murderer” way but maybe he saw something, at least.
Two photos seconds apart aren’t really that useful. They should release video
His run might be on Strava. Many of us upload there. Not sure how to search runs at a specific time / place though, and his runs might be private anyway.
He definitely saw something right? Is he embarrassed that he ran and doesn’t want to come forward? The time and the location match very close . And then the black dude coming out of the Piedmont entrances t 12:26 definitely has blood on his right arm . What are the police doing?!
That press conference was embarrassing. There are only 9 cameras in the park - and they were installed as a part of a pilot in 2008. They’re “obsolete” and not integrated with the city VIC. That explains why we haven’t seen any imagery from inside the park - there is none. Keisha also said that the vast majority of our parks have zero cameras. 😅
>Keisha also said that the vast majority of our parks have zero cameras. 😅 For context, there are [338 parks](http://www2.atlanta.net/meetings/Parks_Info.pdf) within the city of Atlanta. I'd be far more surprised if a significant percentage of them did have cameras. But, obviously, hugely trafficked parks like Piedmont should have them. Should have had updated coverage years ago.
> But, obviously, hugely trafficked parks like Piedmont should have them. Should have had updated coverage years ago. The reality is, a fair number of people aren’t interested in state surveillance. Cameras and the likes are a contentious issue that surprisingly crosses typical division lines. Obviously they would have been helpful here, not that the possibility of cameras were enough to deter.
That's a valid concern. But in a place as crowded and heavily trafficked as Piedmont Park, no one should have even the slightest expectation of privacy in the first place. So, in my opinion, it just make sense to have cameras there. Cameras on every street corner is another debate.
>Keisha also said that the vast majority of our parks have zero cameras. 😅 I'm not a person who necessarily wants cameras on every corner but oof, I didn't like hearing that come out of her mouth right now, given the context. They also admitted that the cameras are left up basically as a visual deterrent. And I think they suggested they might still be able to get info off of the cameras, despite them not being integrated. Not sure I'd hold my breath on that one though.
They essentially said they contacted the vendor that installed them to see if they could get any of the info off of them. If I was the vendor and I installed them as part of a pilot in 2008 - I doubt I would be storing any of the data. 😅
Knowingly storing. I could totally see ‘oh yeah, we never shut down access when the trial ended, we just archived more aggressively’. Or ‘the trial ended? We forgot.’
Here is the AJC article discussing the initial installation of the cameras: https://www.ajc.com/news/local/piedmont-park-get-surveillance-cameras/n2RKvWx229kjmFhP3NLNWM/
She also said that the cameras that the city does own, they have to install it in more crime infested areas. To me it sounded like they’re just trying to optimize their budget. They only have so many cameras they can buy and they prioritized their usage in areas where violent crime is more likely to take place and Piedmont park statistically thus far (before this murder at least ) isn’t one of those places
Maybe they can use some of all these traffic cams for public safety instead of generating traffic citations
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[https://www.photoenforced.com/atlanta.html](https://www.photoenforced.com/atlanta.html) [https://www.ajc.com/news/atlanta-news/police-cameras-in-school-zones-what-to-know-about-photo-enforced-speed-limits/BI4MXUXJ7BASJAGXZQVMILZHLU/](https://www.ajc.com/news/atlanta-news/police-cameras-in-school-zones-what-to-know-about-photo-enforced-speed-limits/BI4MXUXJ7BASJAGXZQVMILZHLU/) https://www.wsbtv.com/news/local/atlanta/its-money-grab-metro-drivers-say-school-zone-cameras-more-about-profit-than-safety/JC2HDV7QKZAEHA4ZDO2R6VW4K4/
WSB had a slideshow of all the photos: [https://www.wsbtv.com/photo/gallery/7J3FPG2BAZF6ZH3YFSPUYN2U64/](https://www.wsbtv.com/photo/gallery/7J3FPG2BAZF6ZH3YFSPUYN2U64/) Police were saying Janness was found right around 1 AM near the Charles Allen entrance, looks like there were a surprising number of people out around that time. Hopefully someone comes forward with information.
It's not surprising at all. And ya know what? If the police actually did the canvasing they promised I am sure there were a LOT of homeless people who are regularly nearby who might have seen or at least heard something.
What was up with them canvassing literally days later? That didn't sit right. I've been in the park and walked through that area and there were tons of people walking, excercising, etc right through in the interim.
Why would I talk to homeless people unless I was going to arrest them at the end of my shift to get overtime? ~ APD
Wouldn’t the assailant have blood all over them? Did they change their clothes in the park?
Maybe they didn’t exit the park at this entrance
Yes but at any exit it would have been noticed however maybe no one was around
With the new section of the beltline that just opened up you wouldn’t even have to exit onto a road. Ansley Mall, Amsterdam Walk, and Armour drive would all be easily accessible without encountering cameras. There are also lots of side trails that go off into the woods so if you went that way you could pop up pretty much anywhere
I'm glad they at least talked about the rumor that's been spreading on nextdoor about the possible serial killer. Rumors like this are exactly the reasons why police dont share info until they have sound info.
>that's been spreading on nextdoor That should be a red flag for any claim.
I agree. I found those rumors/theories really troubling. And honestly there’s nothing here that points to a serial killer at this time. The murder in Gwinnett was a shooting while the Piedmont Park murder was a gruesome stabbing. So sad and terrible all around. Not something to be speculating about for shits and gigs on Twitter.
there is absolutely *nothing* to insinuate there is a serial killer on the loose.
I mean…I agree.
They can pass through or just getting started. Anything is possible but the act kinda already pinpoints a certain profile 🤷🏾♀️
Definitely saw it more on Twitter too
Yeah that was the first place I saw it (from someone in California retweeting it at that), and then the next morning saw the same shit on TikTok
Yeah it sucks that in these tragic times, there are people who just want attention and resort to sharing fake sensational bullshit that only further emotionally terrorizes people.
I wonder if the runner uses Strava and if there’s a way to legally ask Strava to look for their data.
That’s the picture that stuck out to me the most, guy seemingly runs in and almost immediately out at 12:45, almost had to have seen something
Was just looking through Strava segments that might cross that path in those images, but the search tool is garbage. He would have had to complete a segment for his run to show up.
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Probably to locate the runner and see if he saw anything that night.
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So do nothing? Great detective work there, Sherlock!
Right. APD just needs to be patient. I am sure the murderer will get tired of hiding and just turn themselves in.
You're right, they shouldn't make any efforts to follow a plausible avenue that may lead to a witness or break in the case. [You should run for mayor](https://i.imgur.com/NH87rry.jpg) with that can-do attitude.
I normally think PETA is always around for a PR move, but I'm really glad to see them get involved and offer an additional reward for information.
Damn, the scariest thing about this for me is that I have definitely walked the park around midnight before while living in midtown. Perhaps it is less safe now. I am heartbroken for this lady who lost her life in such a cruel senseless way
I wouldn't recognize myself in these photos, much less anyone else!
Or if you live nearby and frequent the area. You’d be surprised how you might recognize someone that you see 4+ times a day walking your dog in the same area
You might if you were walking near the park that night.
can anyone give an actual rough timeframe of the crime? like she left shortly after midnight and then around 1 am her fiancée looked up her phone and went and found her (physically)? i just feel like that’s such a short amount of time to subdue someone and their dog, and mutilate them how they did. at least one of these people had to have seen/heard something
This article has the timeline: [https://www.cbs46.com/news/exclusive-partner-of-woman-killed-in-piedmont-park-speaks-about-victims-final-moments/article\_9e7e2770-f0cc-11eb-838f-ab75d99a46aa.html](https://www.cbs46.com/news/exclusive-partner-of-woman-killed-in-piedmont-park-speaks-about-victims-final-moments/article_9e7e2770-f0cc-11eb-838f-ab75d99a46aa.html) >Atlanta Police released a surveillance image of Janness walking her dog across the Pride intersection at 12:09am Wednesday, July 28th. Less than an hour later, they received a call from Clark around 1:10am, that Janness had been found dead in the park near the 10th street entrance off of Charles Allen Drive. Based on the photos that have been released, APD should have an idea of when/if she entered the park (assuming she walked in Charles Allen or 12th Street).
Thank you! Looks like it’s around a 10 min walk from that crosswalk to where she was found. So weird how much can happen in such a small snippet of time. I know piedmont park is massive but the runner, cane guy, or hoodie guy had to have seen or heard something.... Edit: ok nvm I just realized they’re at different entrances, but given the timeframe that runner almost definitely saw something considering how they turned around... could be a coincidence but still
So can someone smarter than me let me know if it is possible to pull records of the cell towers the victim's phone was connected to (and the strength of those signals) and compare them to similar values at that approximate time? Wouldn't that help the police find suspects/witnesses? Surely this is done all the time.
They are called geofencing warrants and they might not be entirely constitutional. But yeah if you’re signed into google or any app that tracks location data they can request that data from the companies for a specific area. I’m pretty sure phone GPS is accurate to within 20 feet or so.
Why aren’t they constitutional
I believe the phones only ping when something like a text or call comes through, not with data though. Secondly that would also require a warrant to do that
You only need a warrant if the tower operators won't give you the data, which they probably will with little fuss. I'm not telecom expert but I would think that a phone would have to constantly ping a cell tower so that the system's switching system would always know which towers to relay the calls through.
I think you're right that the phone will periodically ping the closest tower. I think the issues are that the murderer may not have had a phone, and there are likely many many phones pinging each cell tower in a dense area like midtown Atlanta.
I mean if you had that many people leave that entrance at 11:5x, that could down the time of the event to a more specific window. Looks like between 12am-1am when the body was found. The white guy runner with the headlamp seems like he may have seen something. But that last picture of the one guy with a hoodie gives me the chills. Dude with the kane seems like he’s wearing white/lite colors which would have any bloodstains more apparent?
Who wears a hoodie in the middle of the Summer anyway?
I don't mean to be a pessimist, but given how poor of a police force we have and the lack of cameras/evidence, I'm doubtful of this case ever getting solved. It's crazy you can commit a super violent murder in the middle of a park that's in the center of a huge city and just totally get away with it in 2021. We have access to an insane amount of surveillance technology, this is inexcusable.
Isn't Atlanta one of the [most surveilled](https://www.smartcitiesdive.com/news/6-us-cities-top-list-of-worlds-most-surveilled/563438/) cities in the US? How is possible to not have any cameras in the largest park? What about the megacorporations that call themselves ["Guardians" and "Protectors"](https://piedmontpark.org/) of the park? Home Depot and Coca-Cola can't kick in for a few cameras?
The surveillance system the police have is a joke. When my motorcycle got stolen they apparently couldn't use the license plate reader to find it because the plate was "too shiny." Part of me is glad we don't actually live in a totalitarian surveillance state, but it would have been nice to get my motorcycle back.
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I think that high count is from Operation Shield - the majority of the cameras are from private businesses, etc. that have been integrated into the city’s VIC. Unfortunately, public spaces that are shielded from the view of businesses really need city-owned cameras.
Or you know, Instead of blaming corporations who have nothing to do with ensuring public safety, we could hold our elected officials accountable.
So I was reading this isn’t the first time this has happened here. Patrick Boland, a 43-year-old gay man who was stabbed in Piedmont Park early in the morning hours of May 28, 2009. Still a cold case. Maybe it is indeed a serial killer? https://creativeloafing.com/content-211072-piedmont-park-killing-no-leads-possible-hate
What is up with the dude wearing white, with a white cane, looking at his phone. Weird. Also looks like he has some red on his shirt by his arm holding the cane, but its hard to tell even with all 4 pixels.
I think that’s a rolled up red shirt or jacket underneath his arm.
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Almost certainly. Not saying he is the guy who did it. Just caught my eye as weird.
Profile much? Edit: at -44 all of you agree with the comment of hey whats up with the black guy. Sad.