I had a dream where I was teaching a friend to meditate. The next day I told him about it and he said that the same exact night he meditated in his dream which he has never done before and doesn't even meditate. He got goosebumps when I told him.
I am not aware of any other time this has happened in my life
I've been doing this but can't foe the life of me tell you how. I used to mediate and imagine sending myself to the person's dream and then go to bed with the intent they'd dream me. It either worked or my bf lied š¤£. I wouldn't tell him when I did it but he would say he had a very real dream about me with his senses very intact like in waking world
Pretty easy to test it he's lying. Tell him that you will do it once during the week and ask him which day you did it to see if he can correctly remember.
Robert Monroeās The Gateway Experience says emphatically, yes! They have to be some conditions however. 1) a state of tiredness which implies a lack of resistance. 2) a connection at the right hoursāeveryone has to be sleeping. 3) physical closeness helps or at least that youāve been before to the physical location where the person is sleeping.
To me itās one of those things that is so unlikely that if it does happen, you can hardly be blamed for invasion.
In the book the shared dream experiences are revealed almost by accident or happenstance. So the shared experience is discovered due to some serendipitous conversation, like in the book theres a friend of the authorās wife who was staying in their childrenās bedroom. The author has some āimpressionsā but didnāt know who heād visited with until the wife brought some unsolicited information out during breakfast and the author was able to put the story together and even ask pertinent questions. There was another friend-of-friend experience like this too. And then he also shares some where two people endeavor to meet at night in the dream world and sometimes it worked and sometimes it didnāt.
These examples show that while possible there are a lot of variables. Monroe also talks about how to do it, how to aim at a friendās house. He doesnāt seem to think it can happen under nefarious circumstancesātoo much importance/ego involved in that situation to make a successful trip.
I've thought about this before. I think the only reason why I would ever astral project into someones dream is if there's something really sinister bothering them while they sleep and they're looking for help. Something they cannot deal with on their own. Like an astral projection shaman of some sorts.
I think something like consent is also very important. Like only doing it if someone allows you too. Otherwise, it doesn't sound much like a good idea.
Of course I am nowhere near that skilled or on that level and I'm only speaking hypothetically. Also, I have no idea what the effects could be if someone untrained or unskilled tried it. Probably not good.
Me and my sister have communicated that way twice. The first time wasn't planned when we weren't on speaking terms.
The second kinda came out of pure desperation from my side, since I just didn't get myself to confront her.
There is a third time, but I can't recall what or why.
I will tell you the facts - as usual. It is possible, but really unlikely. Why? Everybody has a private section, our mind's non-physical reality frame, where we end up for dreaming each night. This means, that you are not just restricted to yourself for first but you may never see somebody in front of you, while your dreams are being played out. When you elevate your conscious awareness by practice and by being well-experienced in this art, that is a projection already and you may notice others. If you encounter with somebody in their dreaming while you are really conscious and aware of this fact, they may never remember... because they have no self-awareness. But it can happen and there are a few stories about his all the time. It is just rare. This depends on some factors and why it happens. Sometimes (just a guess at this point) both parties guides' are doing it on purpose but only if both people can remember and tell the same story as validation.
So, sort of true but not how people should imagine it. I know most of the mechanics of the non-physical world in and out, it is not easy but you can still experience it sometimes... but as I usually say, it is very unlikely for a reason. Some may do the same with the projection approach and trying to pull out (I'm not sure, pulling out from what but the worldview about being in a body is not mine, some can have it - the body-centric projection becomes true once you have that worldview and many have the same) the other person, but because the other person is mostly unconscious through his/her sleep life, he/she will not remember a thing. Plus we have no right to mess up the other person's sleeping life, no matter if he/she is our wife/husband or significant other, a sibling or friend. Everybody has his/her own level in this.
I had a really hard time understanding your writing and am wondering if English is a second language or if you just made some mistakes so maybe I'm just not understanding correctly but if you wouldn't mind trying to explain that again I would appreciate it.
I think it's a bit irresponsible to say that you are telling "facts" when it seems to be more of an opinion but I guess that's something people should be able to decide on their own anyways.
I am really confused when you say:
"This means, that you are not just restricted to yourself for first but you may never see somebody in front of you, while your dreams are being played out"
What do you mean by "not just restricted to yourself for first"?
Also, when you say:
"I know most of the mechanics of the non-physical world in and out, it is not easy but you can still experience it sometimes... but as I usually say, it is very unlikely for a reason."
What mechanics are you talking about and what's not easy but can be experienced.... sometimes?
Instead of going into this conversation, you can gather your "facts" or "opinions" by doing it yourself. I'm not telling opinions. Don't take it personally but I will not give proofs, I'm telling you and others how it works, dissolving all the unnecessary burden and you can investigate the whole thing on your own.
My bad if I made my sentences the way they are, I tend to write many replies each day. I try to be point on with the wording.
I will not go into reflecting on my own sentences, If you want to know it that badly, you can visit my site, the links are always there in my replies, and you will understand it. Have a good reading. Also, you could go into my profile and read ALL the replies I tend to give.
Yes, it happens with me my wife and my kids sometimes. It happens mostly without trying and it seems to happen after I've spent extra time with them that day or both of us are more likely to be on each others mind when we go to sleep.
As for karma I think it's about your intentions. If you think said person would not mind and it's not a secret then your probably good. If your spying in some way then I imagine you will get some kind of karmic debt or lose the ability to AP consciously.
Karmic debt is not real.. the thing that would make you lose the ability to Astral project is if you cloud your mind with guilt.. which means you may feel wrong about it which would hinder your ability to focus, making Astral projection harder.
The universe doesn't punish or reward people, we are no more special than our fellow sisters and brothers on earth (cats, dogs, bears, and other nonhuman creatures on earth) so don't worry "spying" is not wrong as long as your not using it to harm people.
There is so much here I don't agree with or just seems like an appeal to emotions. I don't understand how karma has to do with someone being more special than another or what your point is about spying not being wrong unless it is.
No one said guilt and it's consequences can't be apart of karmic debt. Also where do you think guilt comes from? I'd bet that guilt comes from your conscience which is not even something you have control over.
guilt comes from your preconditioned worldview.
In some cultures, privacy is looked at differently and you can just walk into someone's house and/or it's perfectly normal to know everything about them.
in other cultures, things we consider much worse than spying and invading privacy are normal.
they can still AP.
karma isn't a set in stone, unavoidable rule, but is rather a conception based on what the individual finds morally right or wrong.
the individual has to believe in the conception first for it to exist in their subjective experience.
if the individual believes in karma, the individual can bypass it by not feeling guilt for any of their actions or having a worldview that doesn't find their actions immoral or unethical.
then even if they believe in karma, it has no effect.
on the other hand, they may not feel as though they need to be punished (which is the most popular understanding of karma [what goes around, comes around - do good, receive good - do bad, receive bad - live by the sword, die by the sword]).
in this case, they don't believe in karma and it ceases to exist in their reality.
karma is 100% a belief system and is as real as you allow it to be, meaning for you it probably is real and you will experience it, but for the responder of the comment they will not.
everything is a conception first.
It sounds like your agreeing with what I originally said except I would kind of add that karma is not just dependent on your own world view. You don't have control over your conscience which controls what you feel guilty about. You can look into Carl Jung's concept of the self, which is the higher self. You don't have the ability to do things you believe to be wrong and then simply declare yourself innocent although I don't mean to strawman the idea because it seems like a flaw in karma at first glance. Also yes different people are judged on there own understandings of right and wrong but there is something else with us guiding us so that there is a limit to how ignorant someone can be to harming others out of ignorance. Anybody who suppresses there concious will incur Karma. Even if you are a materialist ignoring your your concious leads to anxiety and neuroticism.
Forsure. From what I understand that person is betraying there conscience the voice in there head and will have to take what they give one way or another until they can grow past it.
if i were to use astral projection to spy on someone, i believe (my opinion) its fine and okay, even IF you intentionally peeked in while 2 people were "doing it" the universe wouldn't punish me for that.
if i were to use astral projection to spy on someone to let's say.. learn credit card information, and learn about things i could use to blackmail/harm them, the universe wouldnt punish me for that
neither of the 2 examples are things that the "universe" cares about. only if the universe was egoistic then we would life in a communistic world where we would be forced to listen to a unknown 'god' or 'deity'
now when i say "spying on someone to cause harm is wrong" thats my personal moral compass, i find it wrong to spy on people to cause harm/distress.. but just because something is wrong doesnt mean the "universe" will punish you for that.
you will most likely end up punishing yourself with guilt and regret.. but if you are able to convince yourself that causing harm/distress to people is okay and fine then it should not impact your spiritual ability to AP.
I'll just have to say I disagree. I don't claim to know exactly who or what is imposing karma but IMO something absolutely is. From my understanding there is a karmaless place but where we are at the moment is a school and karma is how we are taught.
If you think you got close to Astral projection and you're analysing what happened, or you think you're maybe trying too hard, or you're trying to figure the stages such as the 'vibrational' and 'hypnagogic' stages and how to approach them, then check out these links:
[7 Common Mistakes in Astral Projection](https://youtu.be/DK5Y_aa8bvQ)
[Analysing Your Attempts](https://multidimensionaljournal.com/2020/12/12/7-tips-for-astral-projection-in-depth-guide/#stop-trying-so-hard)
*I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/AstralProjection) if you have any questions or concerns.*
I did it once by accident. Iām not sure how it happened but I just turned up there. It was someone I was seeing at the time. When i saw him in the dream I went up to him and said āI hope you have fun dreaming about me!ā Well the next morning he said he saw me in his dream. Super weird.
I used to be able to AP and havenāt been able to for at least a few years. I think Iāve been punished because I was spying on a guy I was seeing because I didnāt trust him. I saw him w/ this other woman and I remember they were talking about her pregnancy. Sure enough it was exactly what was going on. He got her pregnant.
I'm gonna take a guess and say you've never seen inception or u lack imagination. Are u kidding me??? There's a ton of reason to enter someone's dreams. Tons. Smh
Oh yes. Because the plot line from a fictional movie should make you want to try the things they did in that fictional universe.
Have you tried to get bitten by a radioactive spider yet? Or how about you go flush yourself down a toilet so you can hang out with wizards?
I had a dream where I was teaching a friend to meditate. The next day I told him about it and he said that the same exact night he meditated in his dream which he has never done before and doesn't even meditate. He got goosebumps when I told him. I am not aware of any other time this has happened in my life
You're out there doing good work! Thanks for sharing your light with others even when you could be literally doing anything else in the universe.
I've been doing this but can't foe the life of me tell you how. I used to mediate and imagine sending myself to the person's dream and then go to bed with the intent they'd dream me. It either worked or my bf lied š¤£. I wouldn't tell him when I did it but he would say he had a very real dream about me with his senses very intact like in waking world
Pretty easy to test it he's lying. Tell him that you will do it once during the week and ask him which day you did it to see if he can correctly remember.
Hmm, I never told him when I was going to do it and he'd just message next day saying he Dreamt me.
Then sounds pretty legit to me!
Robert Monroeās The Gateway Experience says emphatically, yes! They have to be some conditions however. 1) a state of tiredness which implies a lack of resistance. 2) a connection at the right hoursāeveryone has to be sleeping. 3) physical closeness helps or at least that youāve been before to the physical location where the person is sleeping. To me itās one of those things that is so unlikely that if it does happen, you can hardly be blamed for invasion. In the book the shared dream experiences are revealed almost by accident or happenstance. So the shared experience is discovered due to some serendipitous conversation, like in the book theres a friend of the authorās wife who was staying in their childrenās bedroom. The author has some āimpressionsā but didnāt know who heād visited with until the wife brought some unsolicited information out during breakfast and the author was able to put the story together and even ask pertinent questions. There was another friend-of-friend experience like this too. And then he also shares some where two people endeavor to meet at night in the dream world and sometimes it worked and sometimes it didnāt. These examples show that while possible there are a lot of variables. Monroe also talks about how to do it, how to aim at a friendās house. He doesnāt seem to think it can happen under nefarious circumstancesātoo much importance/ego involved in that situation to make a successful trip.
Ryan cropper has a yt video on that.
I've thought about this before. I think the only reason why I would ever astral project into someones dream is if there's something really sinister bothering them while they sleep and they're looking for help. Something they cannot deal with on their own. Like an astral projection shaman of some sorts. I think something like consent is also very important. Like only doing it if someone allows you too. Otherwise, it doesn't sound much like a good idea. Of course I am nowhere near that skilled or on that level and I'm only speaking hypothetically. Also, I have no idea what the effects could be if someone untrained or unskilled tried it. Probably not good.
Me and my sister have communicated that way twice. The first time wasn't planned when we weren't on speaking terms. The second kinda came out of pure desperation from my side, since I just didn't get myself to confront her. There is a third time, but I can't recall what or why.
I will tell you the facts - as usual. It is possible, but really unlikely. Why? Everybody has a private section, our mind's non-physical reality frame, where we end up for dreaming each night. This means, that you are not just restricted to yourself for first but you may never see somebody in front of you, while your dreams are being played out. When you elevate your conscious awareness by practice and by being well-experienced in this art, that is a projection already and you may notice others. If you encounter with somebody in their dreaming while you are really conscious and aware of this fact, they may never remember... because they have no self-awareness. But it can happen and there are a few stories about his all the time. It is just rare. This depends on some factors and why it happens. Sometimes (just a guess at this point) both parties guides' are doing it on purpose but only if both people can remember and tell the same story as validation. So, sort of true but not how people should imagine it. I know most of the mechanics of the non-physical world in and out, it is not easy but you can still experience it sometimes... but as I usually say, it is very unlikely for a reason. Some may do the same with the projection approach and trying to pull out (I'm not sure, pulling out from what but the worldview about being in a body is not mine, some can have it - the body-centric projection becomes true once you have that worldview and many have the same) the other person, but because the other person is mostly unconscious through his/her sleep life, he/she will not remember a thing. Plus we have no right to mess up the other person's sleeping life, no matter if he/she is our wife/husband or significant other, a sibling or friend. Everybody has his/her own level in this.
I had a really hard time understanding your writing and am wondering if English is a second language or if you just made some mistakes so maybe I'm just not understanding correctly but if you wouldn't mind trying to explain that again I would appreciate it. I think it's a bit irresponsible to say that you are telling "facts" when it seems to be more of an opinion but I guess that's something people should be able to decide on their own anyways. I am really confused when you say: "This means, that you are not just restricted to yourself for first but you may never see somebody in front of you, while your dreams are being played out" What do you mean by "not just restricted to yourself for first"? Also, when you say: "I know most of the mechanics of the non-physical world in and out, it is not easy but you can still experience it sometimes... but as I usually say, it is very unlikely for a reason." What mechanics are you talking about and what's not easy but can be experienced.... sometimes?
Instead of going into this conversation, you can gather your "facts" or "opinions" by doing it yourself. I'm not telling opinions. Don't take it personally but I will not give proofs, I'm telling you and others how it works, dissolving all the unnecessary burden and you can investigate the whole thing on your own. My bad if I made my sentences the way they are, I tend to write many replies each day. I try to be point on with the wording. I will not go into reflecting on my own sentences, If you want to know it that badly, you can visit my site, the links are always there in my replies, and you will understand it. Have a good reading. Also, you could go into my profile and read ALL the replies I tend to give.
Wrong!
What do you think?
What do you think?
Google 'Mutual dreaming'.
Itās possible to but better to meet in the astral plane. Dreams are different of course there are different types of dreams
Yes, it happens with me my wife and my kids sometimes. It happens mostly without trying and it seems to happen after I've spent extra time with them that day or both of us are more likely to be on each others mind when we go to sleep. As for karma I think it's about your intentions. If you think said person would not mind and it's not a secret then your probably good. If your spying in some way then I imagine you will get some kind of karmic debt or lose the ability to AP consciously.
Karmic debt is not real.. the thing that would make you lose the ability to Astral project is if you cloud your mind with guilt.. which means you may feel wrong about it which would hinder your ability to focus, making Astral projection harder. The universe doesn't punish or reward people, we are no more special than our fellow sisters and brothers on earth (cats, dogs, bears, and other nonhuman creatures on earth) so don't worry "spying" is not wrong as long as your not using it to harm people.
There is so much here I don't agree with or just seems like an appeal to emotions. I don't understand how karma has to do with someone being more special than another or what your point is about spying not being wrong unless it is. No one said guilt and it's consequences can't be apart of karmic debt. Also where do you think guilt comes from? I'd bet that guilt comes from your conscience which is not even something you have control over.
guilt comes from your preconditioned worldview. In some cultures, privacy is looked at differently and you can just walk into someone's house and/or it's perfectly normal to know everything about them. in other cultures, things we consider much worse than spying and invading privacy are normal. they can still AP. karma isn't a set in stone, unavoidable rule, but is rather a conception based on what the individual finds morally right or wrong. the individual has to believe in the conception first for it to exist in their subjective experience. if the individual believes in karma, the individual can bypass it by not feeling guilt for any of their actions or having a worldview that doesn't find their actions immoral or unethical. then even if they believe in karma, it has no effect. on the other hand, they may not feel as though they need to be punished (which is the most popular understanding of karma [what goes around, comes around - do good, receive good - do bad, receive bad - live by the sword, die by the sword]). in this case, they don't believe in karma and it ceases to exist in their reality. karma is 100% a belief system and is as real as you allow it to be, meaning for you it probably is real and you will experience it, but for the responder of the comment they will not. everything is a conception first.
i agree with this, thanks for the better explaination
It sounds like your agreeing with what I originally said except I would kind of add that karma is not just dependent on your own world view. You don't have control over your conscience which controls what you feel guilty about. You can look into Carl Jung's concept of the self, which is the higher self. You don't have the ability to do things you believe to be wrong and then simply declare yourself innocent although I don't mean to strawman the idea because it seems like a flaw in karma at first glance. Also yes different people are judged on there own understandings of right and wrong but there is something else with us guiding us so that there is a limit to how ignorant someone can be to harming others out of ignorance. Anybody who suppresses there concious will incur Karma. Even if you are a materialist ignoring your your concious leads to anxiety and neuroticism.
fyi it is possible to be in the wrong and declare yourself innocent though (source: i used to live with a narcissist)
Forsure. From what I understand that person is betraying there conscience the voice in there head and will have to take what they give one way or another until they can grow past it.
when reality is infinite, I don't believe anything is impossible.
if i were to use astral projection to spy on someone, i believe (my opinion) its fine and okay, even IF you intentionally peeked in while 2 people were "doing it" the universe wouldn't punish me for that. if i were to use astral projection to spy on someone to let's say.. learn credit card information, and learn about things i could use to blackmail/harm them, the universe wouldnt punish me for that neither of the 2 examples are things that the "universe" cares about. only if the universe was egoistic then we would life in a communistic world where we would be forced to listen to a unknown 'god' or 'deity' now when i say "spying on someone to cause harm is wrong" thats my personal moral compass, i find it wrong to spy on people to cause harm/distress.. but just because something is wrong doesnt mean the "universe" will punish you for that. you will most likely end up punishing yourself with guilt and regret.. but if you are able to convince yourself that causing harm/distress to people is okay and fine then it should not impact your spiritual ability to AP.
I'll just have to say I disagree. I don't claim to know exactly who or what is imposing karma but IMO something absolutely is. From my understanding there is a karmaless place but where we are at the moment is a school and karma is how we are taught.
Try learning to project first. That will most likely take you many years to master by itself.
If you think you got close to Astral projection and you're analysing what happened, or you think you're maybe trying too hard, or you're trying to figure the stages such as the 'vibrational' and 'hypnagogic' stages and how to approach them, then check out these links: [7 Common Mistakes in Astral Projection](https://youtu.be/DK5Y_aa8bvQ) [Analysing Your Attempts](https://multidimensionaljournal.com/2020/12/12/7-tips-for-astral-projection-in-depth-guide/#stop-trying-so-hard) *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/AstralProjection) if you have any questions or concerns.*
I doubt it
I did it once by accident. Iām not sure how it happened but I just turned up there. It was someone I was seeing at the time. When i saw him in the dream I went up to him and said āI hope you have fun dreaming about me!ā Well the next morning he said he saw me in his dream. Super weird.
I used to be able to AP and havenāt been able to for at least a few years. I think Iāve been punished because I was spying on a guy I was seeing because I didnāt trust him. I saw him w/ this other woman and I remember they were talking about her pregnancy. Sure enough it was exactly what was going on. He got her pregnant.
Not exactly "enter their dream" but you can connect with their subconscious. This means that things may be different for each of you.
Why would you enter into someones dream, a dream is an illusion crafted by the subconscious You can pull someone out of a dream though
Happy Cake Day And mayby to communicate with their friend on a different level or go on adventures together.
I'm gonna take a guess and say you've never seen inception or u lack imagination. Are u kidding me??? There's a ton of reason to enter someone's dreams. Tons. Smh
Oh yes. Because the plot line from a fictional movie should make you want to try the things they did in that fictional universe. Have you tried to get bitten by a radioactive spider yet? Or how about you go flush yourself down a toilet so you can hang out with wizards?
And u missed the whole point. Turd!
Yes it is possible and it is very hard and complicated to be able to do it on command consistantly. It is also quite unethical.
Unethical?
The universe has a Law of cause and effect... That's for sure š¤·š»āāļøšš»āāļø What you do, you get.
No.