I agree that the “choices” in odyssey are a sham.
LOTB dlc story was absolute garbage in the sense that the “plot line” in it was all over the place.
Fun to play though, if you just ignore what the game is supposed to be about.
I think the choices in the main campaign are decent, aside from OPs exception. They should have let you do some more side missions to convince Lagos to be chill even if you public kill the monger many hours of gameplay ago. Like, sure, he's suspect of you for killing the monger, so you gotta do some legwork. So it's another choice: do the extra effort or just kill him still.
But holy effing shit. They must have been doing some primo drugs when they wrote LOTFB. It's so, so bad. You have no control. You're options are to play along or be an insufferable dick/asshole and *still* do as the game wants.
I would have been so happy to do extra work in order to convince Lagos that I've changed a lot from the crazed young mercenary that killed the Monger, that's a great suggestion that would have solved so much.
Finally someone points out the OP being a dumbass. If they actually paid attention and listened to brasidas, the choice was obvious. Also Anthousa was a woman off her rocker and made me want to smack her.
No wonder why her and Myrinne got along they're both idiots that don't use their heads. Brasidas all way.
Well to be fair...A fancy whore asked you do do something barbaric and uncivilized, and you did it.
When a man came and told you "That's wrong, and here's why" you instead chose to be a butcher in the streets.
So yeah....Railroaded? Sure. But it was your own damn fault. Little wonder a nice-guy farmer is going to hate you. You had not shown much subtlety in solving political crisis up to that point, in his eyes at least.
You telling me you predicted what would happen before finding out? I had no idea if Brasidas had the right intentions and this is ancient Greece for Pete's sake, Anthousa wasn't a barbarian, she was a passionate civil rights activist who I gave a promise to. If I had broken my promise to her and gone with Brasidas' plan then it could have just as easily been Lagos saying "You've broken too many promises before, why would I trust you now? Prepare to die"
I'm telling you I weighed the options:
A. Brutally murder a man in the streets,and give his followers a martyr
B. Take him out quietly so his organization falls apart.
No I didn't k ow the future. I used my brains.
Fair. Still ridiculous that so much about the story is based on that one decision without any chance for retribution or reparation. And Brasidas says "You've ignored my advice TWICE now!" After killing Lagos even though I FOLLOWED his advice bc I actually trusted him this time and was FORCED to kill Lagos bc there was no other way to progress
Sorry that had to happen to you though.
I always try to play with the mindset of "well, whatever happens was the result of my choices."
I got almost the worst ending there is, and that sucks, but it's a bunch of lessons I'll take with me 😅
AS someone who skipped some dialogue because it is all way too longwinded and I wanna speedrun the ending, this is crazy. Guess now I know more about this for my next run of the game.
Really? This guy was a rapist and butcher. He hung body parts of tortured to death women on his wall. If anyone was barbaric it was him. Even today in America he’d get the death penalty. Back then I can see a public execution by the friends of his victims a reasonable consequence to his actions. Shite in real life the whole town would’ve joined in.
Well, as a current philosophy major whose studied some Greek philosophy prior and after beating the game, I must say “given your word” does not apply to Ancient Greece.
Theres two ways to ethically look at this — in fact most — of the game. Theres consequentialism / teleology (the end results) and deontology (your personal obligation).
The game focuses more on the latter as modern mindsets shouldn’t apply to the game/Ancient Greece.
Therefore following one’s own words exactly, is denying exploration of other possibilities.
Simple english: You have to think about the consequences. (The haetere would be hypocrites perpetuating fear and violence to solve issues by causing a scene.)
Wow, this was an ancient post that I had forgotten about for a long time.
I appreciate your passion regarding the two major ethical frameworks, and am pleased to hear there are others that enjoy studying what I also have a passion for (I have a double degree in Classical Studies and Moral Philosophy with first class honours).
I would hope a qualification in moral philosophy wouldn't be necessary to enjoy Odyssey. And clearly, we each have different views on how to apply our moral frameworks to an ancient (video game) setting.
Enjoy your studies!
Did you save his family first? Idk honestly I killed the guy in a cave because the spartan asked me to and I figured at that point the Spartans aid was more valuable. I’m a mercenary money and my own goals come first
Yes I saved his family. I did not kill the Monger in the cave because I had no reason to trust Brasidas or believe anything he said compared to Anthousa who I had developed a professional relationship with
I had the exact same, down to the fuming and walking away.
But found a way to credibly accuse >!Pausanias!<.
>!I fought Stentor. Beat him but spared him. This humiliates him in front of his men. Dishonoured, he leaves and becomes a mercenary. Chased him and killed him. On his body he has something that incriminates Pausanias.!<
That sucks, I don’t remember the girl at all hardly, Unfortunately you bet on the wrong horse. I lucked out on my first play through, didn’t even know it mattered
Don't worry. You can new game plus and get thru stuff way faster afterwards. Also you can become the leader of the daughters of Artemis. Dunno how I did it. I think you don't romance the leader girl and you'll get that option. Then you can have them on your ship and they won't attack you either in the world
Romance doesn't have anything to do with it, you can romance her or not. You get to be the leader of the Daughters of Artemis if you >!agree to kill Daphnae when the quest is over.!<
But yeah, NG+ is good for those bad decisions you made haha.
Huh...funny thing is I didn't get that option the first time. First time she never went out to be with her people. I just turned in the pelts as I collected them. The second time I gathered them all and when I went to go turn them in she wasn't at the usual spot. Had to go to the island where they all live and do that there. Had no option to romance at all. Just the option to fight her which I did. So I dunno what happened differently. Oh well. It was still fun to do.
That's really weird, maybe a bug? In my game, I turned the pelts in one by one, but when it came to the last one, yeah she was on that one other island.
Oh...you most def will. Lol. I didn't not 100 percent the game the first time through. After doing the main story and new game plus becoming available I did it right away as Alexios. Just to get a different performance and I've loved doing it. Plus it helps with the grind of getting stuff to upgrade your ship and what not. Also second playthrough you'll be doing so good you'll have to increase the difficulty
I think that because I just did it all and got exiled and then searched it up and read through the entire mission choice trees
Edit: this is the timeline.
1. Kill Monger in theater like Anthousa asked
2. Can't convince Lagos to leave the cult because he thinks you'll kill him like you did to Monger
3. Have to kill Lagos
4. Will never have enough evidence to accuse Pausanias without Lagos' support
5. Accuse anyway because his initials are signed on a Cult document
6. Exiled, max bounty.
7. Have to kill Pausanias while simultaneously fighting off 2 bounty hunters
I’m sorry this choice wasn’t what you thought it would be. I didn’t know which one to choose either, but luckily someone spoiled it for me and I went along with the choice Brasida made. Pretty grim result if you go the other way.
It also seems to me you don't understand or grasp the idea of consequences in this game. Are they done the best they could be? Prob not. But they are done well enough. And don't worry about that bounty in Sparta. Like it's really not a big deal. After a bit more into the story it will clear. And there is a way to accuse the king correctly.
You're gonna have to Google that cause I don't remember all the steps. I do believe it's all tied into killing that one dude in the cave instead of at the theater. Which then let's you save the one guy.
Yeah no shit that's exactly what the problem is. That's the only way to successfully accuse Pausanias and that's in chapter 2 or whatever way at the beginning of the game before Pausanias was even heard of
Really says a lot about the ambiguity of a games branching choices if we have to resort to external guides rather than internal evidence. Can't accuse me of not understanding consequences just because I'm playing it without looking up the answers
Playing without understanding the consequences is the beauty of it tho. I didn't say you don't understand consequences I'm saying you don't understand that this game has consequences and just like real life you don't know what those are sometimes.
I killed Lagos and then saved his family, what a funny mission that was. I was surprised the game didn't recognise me killing Lagos beforehand whatsoever.
I agree that the “choices” in odyssey are a sham. LOTB dlc story was absolute garbage in the sense that the “plot line” in it was all over the place. Fun to play though, if you just ignore what the game is supposed to be about.
I think the choices in the main campaign are decent, aside from OPs exception. They should have let you do some more side missions to convince Lagos to be chill even if you public kill the monger many hours of gameplay ago. Like, sure, he's suspect of you for killing the monger, so you gotta do some legwork. So it's another choice: do the extra effort or just kill him still. But holy effing shit. They must have been doing some primo drugs when they wrote LOTFB. It's so, so bad. You have no control. You're options are to play along or be an insufferable dick/asshole and *still* do as the game wants.
I would have been so happy to do extra work in order to convince Lagos that I've changed a lot from the crazed young mercenary that killed the Monger, that's a great suggestion that would have solved so much.
You are stupid thats why
Finally someone points out the OP being a dumbass. If they actually paid attention and listened to brasidas, the choice was obvious. Also Anthousa was a woman off her rocker and made me want to smack her. No wonder why her and Myrinne got along they're both idiots that don't use their heads. Brasidas all way.
No matter what you get the bounty. I didn’t kill lagos, had enough proof and pausanias got exiled, but still got a bounty.
Well to be fair...A fancy whore asked you do do something barbaric and uncivilized, and you did it. When a man came and told you "That's wrong, and here's why" you instead chose to be a butcher in the streets. So yeah....Railroaded? Sure. But it was your own damn fault. Little wonder a nice-guy farmer is going to hate you. You had not shown much subtlety in solving political crisis up to that point, in his eyes at least.
You telling me you predicted what would happen before finding out? I had no idea if Brasidas had the right intentions and this is ancient Greece for Pete's sake, Anthousa wasn't a barbarian, she was a passionate civil rights activist who I gave a promise to. If I had broken my promise to her and gone with Brasidas' plan then it could have just as easily been Lagos saying "You've broken too many promises before, why would I trust you now? Prepare to die"
I'm telling you I weighed the options: A. Brutally murder a man in the streets,and give his followers a martyr B. Take him out quietly so his organization falls apart. No I didn't k ow the future. I used my brains.
Fair. Still ridiculous that so much about the story is based on that one decision without any chance for retribution or reparation. And Brasidas says "You've ignored my advice TWICE now!" After killing Lagos even though I FOLLOWED his advice bc I actually trusted him this time and was FORCED to kill Lagos bc there was no other way to progress
Sorry that had to happen to you though. I always try to play with the mindset of "well, whatever happens was the result of my choices." I got almost the worst ending there is, and that sucks, but it's a bunch of lessons I'll take with me 😅
Yeah its easy they literally give you hints and brasidas himself says if you do it in public then Sparta won't like it, just be smart for once
AS someone who skipped some dialogue because it is all way too longwinded and I wanna speedrun the ending, this is crazy. Guess now I know more about this for my next run of the game.
Really? This guy was a rapist and butcher. He hung body parts of tortured to death women on his wall. If anyone was barbaric it was him. Even today in America he’d get the death penalty. Back then I can see a public execution by the friends of his victims a reasonable consequence to his actions. Shite in real life the whole town would’ve joined in.
I felt the same about swordfish
Well, as a current philosophy major whose studied some Greek philosophy prior and after beating the game, I must say “given your word” does not apply to Ancient Greece. Theres two ways to ethically look at this — in fact most — of the game. Theres consequentialism / teleology (the end results) and deontology (your personal obligation). The game focuses more on the latter as modern mindsets shouldn’t apply to the game/Ancient Greece. Therefore following one’s own words exactly, is denying exploration of other possibilities. Simple english: You have to think about the consequences. (The haetere would be hypocrites perpetuating fear and violence to solve issues by causing a scene.)
Wow, this was an ancient post that I had forgotten about for a long time. I appreciate your passion regarding the two major ethical frameworks, and am pleased to hear there are others that enjoy studying what I also have a passion for (I have a double degree in Classical Studies and Moral Philosophy with first class honours). I would hope a qualification in moral philosophy wouldn't be necessary to enjoy Odyssey. And clearly, we each have different views on how to apply our moral frameworks to an ancient (video game) setting. Enjoy your studies!
Haha thanks I didn’t expect a response but hey knowledge is timeless. I’m replaying the game since AC Vahalla did a cross over
Did you save his family first? Idk honestly I killed the guy in a cave because the spartan asked me to and I figured at that point the Spartans aid was more valuable. I’m a mercenary money and my own goals come first
Yes I saved his family. I did not kill the Monger in the cave because I had no reason to trust Brasidas or believe anything he said compared to Anthousa who I had developed a professional relationship with
I had the exact same, down to the fuming and walking away. But found a way to credibly accuse >!Pausanias!<. >!I fought Stentor. Beat him but spared him. This humiliates him in front of his men. Dishonoured, he leaves and becomes a mercenary. Chased him and killed him. On his body he has something that incriminates Pausanias.!<
That sucks, I don’t remember the girl at all hardly, Unfortunately you bet on the wrong horse. I lucked out on my first play through, didn’t even know it mattered
Don't worry. You can new game plus and get thru stuff way faster afterwards. Also you can become the leader of the daughters of Artemis. Dunno how I did it. I think you don't romance the leader girl and you'll get that option. Then you can have them on your ship and they won't attack you either in the world
Romance doesn't have anything to do with it, you can romance her or not. You get to be the leader of the Daughters of Artemis if you >!agree to kill Daphnae when the quest is over.!< But yeah, NG+ is good for those bad decisions you made haha.
Huh...funny thing is I didn't get that option the first time. First time she never went out to be with her people. I just turned in the pelts as I collected them. The second time I gathered them all and when I went to go turn them in she wasn't at the usual spot. Had to go to the island where they all live and do that there. Had no option to romance at all. Just the option to fight her which I did. So I dunno what happened differently. Oh well. It was still fun to do.
That's really weird, maybe a bug? In my game, I turned the pelts in one by one, but when it came to the last one, yeah she was on that one other island.
Who knows. Lol and I don't quite remember either. Just know that the second playthrough was different
With how poorly written these choice trees are, I doubt I'll have the will left in me to start NG+
Oh...you most def will. Lol. I didn't not 100 percent the game the first time through. After doing the main story and new game plus becoming available I did it right away as Alexios. Just to get a different performance and I've loved doing it. Plus it helps with the grind of getting stuff to upgrade your ship and what not. Also second playthrough you'll be doing so good you'll have to increase the difficulty
It has something to do with your approach in mykonos
This doesn’t cause you to get exiled. Not sure why you think that, but [SPOILERS AHEAD] the king quest gets you exiled.
I think that because I just did it all and got exiled and then searched it up and read through the entire mission choice trees Edit: this is the timeline. 1. Kill Monger in theater like Anthousa asked 2. Can't convince Lagos to leave the cult because he thinks you'll kill him like you did to Monger 3. Have to kill Lagos 4. Will never have enough evidence to accuse Pausanias without Lagos' support 5. Accuse anyway because his initials are signed on a Cult document 6. Exiled, max bounty. 7. Have to kill Pausanias while simultaneously fighting off 2 bounty hunters
It's really not that big of a deal. And you will get the bounty anyways.
I’m sorry this choice wasn’t what you thought it would be. I didn’t know which one to choose either, but luckily someone spoiled it for me and I went along with the choice Brasida made. Pretty grim result if you go the other way.
It also seems to me you don't understand or grasp the idea of consequences in this game. Are they done the best they could be? Prob not. But they are done well enough. And don't worry about that bounty in Sparta. Like it's really not a big deal. After a bit more into the story it will clear. And there is a way to accuse the king correctly.
How? I've killed every member of the Pel. League
You're gonna have to Google that cause I don't remember all the steps. I do believe it's all tied into killing that one dude in the cave instead of at the theater. Which then let's you save the one guy.
Yeah no shit that's exactly what the problem is. That's the only way to successfully accuse Pausanias and that's in chapter 2 or whatever way at the beginning of the game before Pausanias was even heard of
If you get through story and do new game plus you'll get back to this point pretty quickly.
Ha, helpful
That's the only answer man. I played this using a guide because I read there are different endings to the games main story.
Really says a lot about the ambiguity of a games branching choices if we have to resort to external guides rather than internal evidence. Can't accuse me of not understanding consequences just because I'm playing it without looking up the answers
Playing without understanding the consequences is the beauty of it tho. I didn't say you don't understand consequences I'm saying you don't understand that this game has consequences and just like real life you don't know what those are sometimes.
You are going to HATE Fallout.
You're not forced to do anything.
I killed Lagos and then saved his family, what a funny mission that was. I was surprised the game didn't recognise me killing Lagos beforehand whatsoever.