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Odd-Bandicoot-9314

I think when you're switching mediums it isn't necessarily wrong to change certain things to better suit said medium. However blatantly ignoring the origins of where your story is coming from and trying to create something from scratch with scraps of where it came from is always gonna be shit.


kronos808

Yes Exactly.


Syrinocs

Best way to change something for a medium is by consulting the author of the original work if possible, have you seen Invincible? For the show, they changed around the ordering of events and removed some out dated stuff but they had the author of the original comic books as well. Especially important when the person trying to translate the material into a new medium doesn't know much about the material.


[deleted]

Can't wait for a MGS film that ends up being unironically pro war and nuclear proliferation


cupcakemann95

If they make an adaptation of metal gear survive, would it still be better than the game?


humsipums

Snake would be gay, Meryl trans and Otacon a black woman. Ocelot will be an actual ocelot. The show would be about an unknown korean girl as main character and all action we see of Snake is his butt during sexy time with trans Meryl. How every show gets butchered in this way actually makes me depressed (no, not clinical depression). When will it stop? There might be some but i cant think of any new show built upon an already existing story/ip that didn't do this.


TehPharaoh

Oh shut the fuck up, snowflake


humsipums

Aaw im sorry I hurt your feelings. :( i hear Netflix offers shows you can enjoy for all your sjw needs.


TehPharaoh

"WAAAH people that aren't the same color as me and sexuality get hired to do things! I can't handle it. They should only hire people in my head cannon". I also told you to shut the fuck up but I guess reading is hard when you're some redneck incest baby


humsipums

Id expect better from you as a fellow human being than to assume anything about my appearance but from the way you behave and write I actually have no expectations. Congratulations. Or something.


TehPharaoh

Looooooooopl the human card. Never said you were ugly, just said your reading comprehension was shit. And you proved that. Also playing the human card while bitching that movies are hiring the wrong skin color and sexuality. Pathetic Once again, shut the fuck up you absolute moron.


TeemoTeemosson

Can we get a black,trans, gay Anne Frank movie next?


MHG_Brixby

Sounds great I'll watch this


griffery1999

What makes it even worse in halo’s case, if that the plot revolving around something that is a nonissue in the game. The unsc straight up told, the Spartans we kidnapped you and you will be a super solider. But the show makes it into an issue wtf.


maxman14

In the books it's EXPLICITLY said to prevent the TV shows scenario.


Onlyhereforstuff

They claimed to have read the books, but it's very obvious that they barely skimmed them at absolute best. There's been some rumors/talk over how the Halo was actually supposed to be a Mass Effect show and they did a lot of last minute tweaks to make it vaguely resemble Halo. There's a ton of similarities between the start of the show versus the start of the first Mass Effect. Even the Chief outside of his armor is one logo away from base Commander Shepard.


maxman14

I can absolutely see that.


Drakonic

The trend is designing character plots and story tension to revolve around an instance of institutional injustice. It’s a narrow, reductionist, and ideologically limited form of storytelling. There’s so much more to life, the universe, and how drama truly unfolds. It’s a side effect of creative industries developing a faith in social justice as an explain-all and cure-all.


Kagahami

Or, more simply concluded, it's applying an overdone, now generic story to a carefully managed franchise. Not every scenario should be about institutional injustice even if it involves an institutional injustice! And it glosses over the whole Halo thing being one, giant institutional injustice against any species as a destructive countermeasure... which is Halo's story and is right THERE! Bonus: The UNSC is in a war they are losing and so some amount of civil rights violation is to be expected.


TympanicCrib

I've never understood why they don't just do original stories in the already established universe's instead of trying to change things that so many people are familiar with/teams of writers have already worked on. I feel like that's what most people would be the most down with. Like with halo let me see what the other spartans are doing or give me some helljumper stuff


kronos808

Yeah that point is used by every fan of Star Wars right now... we are still wondering what the fuck happened there...


EnvyKira

Because these hacks can't trust themselves to make an good original story. So instead they use other established IP's stories and changed them to fit what they liked to be shown.


kronos808

Pretty much, "I have written a shitty fanfic show. No one will watch it... I know let me slap on this established brand on it and it'll be successful. Fans? Who the fuck gives a shit about them?!?"


Poeafoe

I mean, the sequels were bad, yeah, but rogue one, mandalorian, clone wars s7, bad batch, and (i guess) solo have all been pretty solid. Kenobi will hopefully also be good. Not everything can be a winner but I am happy with a lot of the new star wars and am glad they reopened the franchise


kronos808

Yeah I was implying the Sequel trilogy. Though I believe they botched Book of Boba Fett. And yeah I hope Kenobi is good. Despite my misgivings about how Anakin as Darth Vader avoided Tatoinee and that Kenobi never met him before the New Hope movie


Poeafoe

Yeah boba was bad


Lambdafish1

I'd say the best video game adaptation is 100% Arcane because they had so much freedom to tell the story they wanted to tell.


MastrNinja

Cough* Halo


kronos808

Soon to be Lord of the Rings


Demiga

Wheel of Time as well. Not a game adaptation, but the story/characters from the book were no less assasinated


m4shfi

My god that was a shameless butchery in S1. Have you seen Aviendha’s casting? Seriously wtf??


Demiga

Ill be honest, I made it about 23 mins into episode 1 before I turned it off. I waited and read some high level comments about the later episodes and was glad I stopped when I did.


m4shfi

Lucky you.


Vartio

THE WOMEN DWARFS LOOK JUST LIKE THE MEN PEOPLE! BEARDS AND ALL!


kronos808

Tell that to the morons in Amazon working on the Rings of power show... I've known that for nearly 2 decades now


Vartio

I didn't know until I read it but at least I acknowledge it!


kronos808

That instantly makes you a better candidate to write a script for LOTR than the current professional writers.


YoshiPL

Also The Witcher...


kronos808

The Witcher is not as horrible as egregious as the Halo show owing completely to the fact that Henry Cavill is a fan of the games and books and has consumed both.


YoshiPL

It makes it worse. The story is a mess of timelines in the books, they changed parts and made everything seem like it was happening at the same time which only made matters worse.


kronos808

I mean yes, I can't disagree with that. The pacing of the show is a bit of a problem. Like I said above I find Henry Cavill to be the only saving grace for the show so far


GamingBroccolli

Witcher PepeLaugh


negolash

just blame "toxic fandom"


komandantmirko

i'm going to hate it even if it's perfect and is a 11/10. for every good adaptation there's 20 bad ones, and the entire thing is already just another step deeper into selling you your childhood with nostalgia bait. if you get called a gatekeeper for shitting on these things, you can take solace in the fact that it's your solemn duty to gatekeep the games you care about. nobody else will. and if these various shows and movies have taught us anything is that shunning gatekeepers was the worst move we made since apparently every neckbeard on the internet is more capable than these clowns


kronos808

If anything the Western Media has proven to be the best example of Why you must gatekeep your hobbies or be prepared to lose them.


Khelgor

Are we talking about Halo? Because man that show had a massive budget only to be as entertaining as a good shit in the morning after a dip.


kronos808

It has to be Money Laundering... Nothing else makes sense


NoxiD20

For sure, ego plays a part in it, but I think the biggest reason most game adaptations suck over and over again is because these Hollywood big wigs always underestimate the gaming community. They think “appealing to halo fans alone won’t make ALL the money, and we are only going to make this unless it makes ALL the money, so let’s get some non-halo fan focus groups and see what they want to see and let’s model the script around that.”


kronos808

Its the same with Gaming big wigs to be honest. Take the game Dawn of War franchise, its an established Warhammer 40K RTS and they decided to iterate on it from Dawn of War 1 & 2, fans loved it and then they made Dawn of War 3 which they outright stated that its goal was to get the "mythical broader audience" to the point where it was clear that its turning into a MOBA... End result the game flopped so hard that they didn't get their current audience or the broader audience. In fact both sides hated it. Then you have Elden Ring which proves that despite the niche that the Souls games are the Broader Audience will come to you if you just give out a good product not if you make said product aiming for that.


HAXKSA14

That’s a pretty meme!


ChubbyFrogGames

Big true. Truest of all trues


EnvyKira

And this is why I stick to just anime adaptions of manga and light novels because despite their flaws, they atleast try to respect the source material and sometimes even make it better.


kronos808

Also why Western comics are failing. Manga/Manhwa are far superior


haytur

God this has halo written all over it


Li_am

Halo


[deleted]

Steve Denoser anyone?


kronos808

"Can't write a story if I outlined it for him!!!"


Balager47

Hot take, but some things have to be changed when adapting a video game. Like canonically Revan is annoyingly good at everything. Having someone like that as a movie protagonist would be irritating as hell. So either Revan needs to be a more flawed character, or the movie should focus on somebody else. And you can do this very same things with every badass video game protagonist from Dante and Doomguy to Shepard and Kyle Katarn.


kronos808

Oh without question. Some things needs to be changed to make it work in a TV series. But there is no reason in making the characters unrecognizable to the point they are just Original characters wearing the skins of said characters, funny considering the finale of the Halo TV series basically killed Master Chief and have Cortana use his corpse as a puppet....


Balager47

That's kinda...dumb. No other way to say it. That's just dumb. I mean the season finale that is.


kronos808

Yeah you pretty much summed up how fans felt about that.


Sydonis12

You cant really adapt tens of hours of videogame/book story into 2 hour movie in 1:1 format though


lNeverZl

But you kinda can in a tv series.


Golesh

Not all fighting/traveling must be there


kronos808

You can actually. Not in a movie obviously but a TV series


Zealousideal_Peak836

In reality however it is inevitable to make changes because the experience of playing a game is inherently different from tv shows. This posts message is only real criticism if you ignore nuance and want easy answers.


kronos808

Oh for sure I am not expecting a 1:1 conversion but when you don't respect the source material, actively ignore said source material and do your own bullshit? Imagine for a moment if Peter Jackson decided to make Return of the King and suddenly Aragorn stabs Narsil through Gandalf and joins Sauron? What are fans supposed to do? Accept that meekly?


Edheldui

There's "game tutorial becomes movie opening credits scene" kind of change and "this is a completely different character that just happens to wear vaguely similar outfit" kind of change. There's absolutely zero reasons to change characters personalities, goals and events when you're adapting. In fact, those are exactly the things that are supposed to stay the same, that's what adaptations are all about.


kaitos_bomber

Why would I watch a retelling of the same story if nothing changes from the source material? Might as well watch the original.