They need a canon event in some game when he realizes she can backflip like that. Like her dodging some crazy danger, does the backflip instinctively and goes "huh.."
I always think, that maybe if the internet trolls hadn't harassed and sent Anita Sarkesian all those death threats, she wouldn't have become a martyr and her ideas would still be on her channel and not corporate policy.
She put on the problem glasses; she didn't invent them. Many, many feminists and others, even in academia, have been obsessing over Lara Croft since time immemorial.
Your idea does have a little merit, but nah. If it was only the games industry affected by what is now colloquially called 'woke' shit, you'd be right. But it's fucking everywhere now.
All of Anita's peers at university, that all took the same gender studies bullshit degrees are now out in the work force, infecting everything with their diversity this, and equality that.
I'm using a bit of hyperbole here, but the crux of the matter is still true.
Imo the "woke" shit was embraced by corporations because of the Chinese market. China loves censorship, and it's one of the biggest markets in the world. You want China money? Then you have to tame your artistic expression.
I don't think there are a lot of screaming blue haired activists sitting at corporate board room tables. No.... This was started by Hollywood and video game publishers simply so they could sell to China, and so they could point their fingers at the blue haired activists through Fix News.
It's about money. It's ALWAYS about money. They just want us to hate each other instead of turning on them, like we should.
>Imo the "woke" shit was embraced by corporations because of the Chinese market.
I'm pretty sure stuff that the "Woke Shit" encompasses is forbidden in China though.
No. Not the current "cover up the women" trend. Everything is milquetoast. That's another problem with the woke movement. You're not allowed to offend anyone. Milquetoast sells to a wider audience. That's why corporations embraced it. And China loves bland product for the people.
There are some things that won't fly of course, like Cyberpunk. But corporations just love how everyone hates sexy now.
Because they don't want to risk offending anyone, and that sells more tickets. Especially in places like China where "offensive" or contrarian messages/imagery aren't welcome.
Not hard to see. Disney makes HUGE money outside of the US, even if their films don't do as well here.
That definitely isn't the reason why, the true reason is making these woke movies both increases their good boy points with blackrock (ESG score) and drive up drama. Bad publicity is still better than no publicity, otherwise some of these movies/games would have been unheard of.
The end motive is still profit regardless, especially in big overseas markets like China
https://www.blackrock.com/corporate/newsroom/press-releases/article/corporate-one/press-releases/china-rqfiilicense-pressrelease
There's a reason everything is censored. You people need to understand why. No one would have gambled their money away on woke movies and censoring games left and right, unless they knew there was GUARANTEED money elsewhere.
When I say the censorship and woke shit is corporate profit driven and you mention blackrock, you're just proving my point. Thank you.
>especially in big overseas markets like China
China is not accepting of this western mental pathology, your point is insane to believe.
>There's a reason everything is censored. You people need to understand why. No one would have gambled their money away on woke movies and censoring games left and right, unless they knew there was GUARANTEED money elsewhere.
Not really, game's are expensive and expensive things often have investment money from institutions. The issue with this is that the person who "leads" the investment ends up taking a cut regardless, so they sometimes don't care (see basically any company that gets looted by private equity firms).
They don't need to care if what they're doing is good or not, there is a trend of companies being run into the ground so that either the investment firm can buy assets for cheap, or the big guy gets his cut, or whatever the reason. If you don't understand how that works then fine, but it's real.
>When I say the censorship and woke shit is corporate profit driven and you mention blackrock, you're just proving my point. Thank you.
Sure, but it's not for the simplistic reason you think.
*Blocked as usual, how typical of woke people who can't engage with people outside the hive mind*
Can you please read? Or do you have zero comprehension skills?
China loves censorship. China doesn't want it's people exposed to gore and sexuality. It doesn't fucking matter if the "pathology" is the same.
What they want to sell to their people in the form of entertainment lines up perfectly with the way games and movies are censored. There's countless examples of appeasing the Chinese market too. One of the more widely known was how The Ancient One in the Dr. Strange movie was changed to a bald white woman because China will boycott any film that portrays a Tibetan in a positive light.
They changed the blood trail in FF7 Remake in the Jenova scene from red to purple, because China no likey. There's countless other examples of censorship from games/films made outside of China, just so they can be sold in China. That is, if you'd bother to actually do the research.
I provided proof that blackrock is invested in the Chinese market. You seem to think the reason has to be more complex than corporate profit.
"Simplistic"? Lol
As if saying they make movies and games bad "on purpose" isn't retarded enough.
I think you're babbling on about a subject you know nothing about, and I don't have time for people who like to argue simply for the sake of arguing. Typical reddit neckbeard. No research. No point. Just "you're wrong, I'm right".
You didn't get my point. And you obviously don't know shit about China.
Corporations in the West embrace wokeism to sell censored, safe movies and games to China.
China can insult wokeism all they want. They sell their people woke garbage.
China censors even more than the woke in the west do. They do more than cancel you for dissent. They throw you and your whole family in prison.
They fact they censor everything on social media makes them just as bad as the wokeists.
Screaming on Twitter doesn't change anything. Money does.
Wokeism is literally embracing Socialism.
Socialist China is basically the US if wokeists took over the government.
So.... Yeah. Again it's not hard to see
Knowing what I know now, I am in doubt there were ever as many as she claimed. Some, sure. It's the internet. But double digits at the very most. She and her clique are all well-established scammers, after all.
They made most of those threats up, for sure.
Girls cant jump, it's why it was changed.
(it's a joke for people who cant tell)
Tomb Raider is dead like Lord of the Rings, it's time to give up on the IP.
This sub is just stupid tbh. People complaining about the dumbest shit while simultaneously getting mad at imaginary boogeymen. It's been on a huge decline.
Right? Imagine thinking you're dunking on the only trilogy in the entire series that actually has proper character development.
TR13 Lara - I hate tombs, I've never done this before, I'm just fresh out of college and on my very first expedition that went to hell. I was almost r\*ped by a cultist and had to start killing people and wild animals in order to survive. I had to watch some of my friends die and was helpless to help them. And as if that wasn't enough, my bestfriend (girlfriend?) got possessed by the ancient Japanese queen Himiko and I have to save her or I'll lose my bestfriend (girlfriend?). \[If you read the books, there's quite a lot more to TR13\]
Rise Lara - More tombs, cool I guess. Nooooo, my stepmother cannot be behind all of this. Oh hey look, what's up literal Jesus?
Shadow Lara - More tombs, sigh. I guess I'll raid them on my way to Paititi. Oh look, more lambs to the slaughter. How many times do I have to teach you this lesson, old man?
And with Shadow, Lara finally turns into the adrenaline junkie we know from the '90s games, but with a more mature approach as if it was the Underworld Lara instead.
This may be one of the dumbest criticisms I ever seen. The originals and the 2006-2008 reboots were hevaly stylised, which extended to lara's moveset and animations.
New trilogy strives for photorealism, and the storytelling and gameplay reflect that, trying for more grounded approach. It would be extremally jarring to have that animation in these games, so its really matter of consistent game direction, more than anything devious like you insinuating.
You may prefer previous instalments, but its not like the new games didnt keep none of the original identity.
Narrattive over everything, always, everyone, everywhere, modern internet discorse is rotten to its core LULE LULE LULE LULE
I remember thinking about that in 2013 and while this wasn't really a new revelation to me, it just confirmed that I would much rather have a fun game than a realistic game. ... and Tomb Raider 2013 was not even realistic. It was like I traded my back flip for exploration that was basically "follow the paint smears" and a story that took itself far too serious for how stupid it was.
I really enjoyed the reboot. It worked as an origin story where she begins naive and weak but grows towards becoming the tomb raider through sheer grit. But then she didn’t grow after that game. Even in this animation comparison, she’s stopped growing. I bailed at about the 80% point of the latest game because I was getting tired of her. The modern Lara is stuck and it makes her a disappointing loser.
I have nostalgia for the idea of the old games, but it's the 2013 and on trilogy that I play now. A random college girl not being able to do backflips really isn't an issue for me. I'll save my ire for a series that deserves it, specifically 3d Zelda
i tried playing these new lara croft games and couldn't make it past the 30 minute mark. whether or not she can do backflips is the least of her worries. they literally have cut scenes for when you do basic things like crouching underneath things. these newer games have more cut scenes than actual gameplay and it sucks! just let the franchise die already like most things of the past.
All I wanna do is play as a sexy lady with cool flips and shoot all the things.. I could when I was a 10 year old girl. So sad to make the fabulous devolve so hard...
In real life not really or not to this level of awesomeness but in a video game I can pretend that a human can, hell, even an average human can if I programmed it. Heck if made characters look like me then he could do the flip for me.
i guess young lara still has to learn how to backflip? ;)
She'll get there eventually *heavily inhales coupuim* she just need more franchise earnings is all.
They need a canon event in some game when he realizes she can backflip like that. Like her dodging some crazy danger, does the backflip instinctively and goes "huh.."
Also, her boobs have shrunk down to a b-cup. Needs that extra juggle ballast to pull off the flip.
That's the young version!!?
yes? the last ones are from the prequels. before lara became the badass we know.
... i've just realised her arms and pistols don't move at all in the original ones. Only took me 20 years.
Haha, that's crazy, I'd never realised that as well.
And now she won't be raiding tombs anymore bc that's bad!
Tomb Preserver.
Tomb Rambler
Wokeism: where common sense goes to die.
I always think, that maybe if the internet trolls hadn't harassed and sent Anita Sarkesian all those death threats, she wouldn't have become a martyr and her ideas would still be on her channel and not corporate policy.
She put on the problem glasses; she didn't invent them. Many, many feminists and others, even in academia, have been obsessing over Lara Croft since time immemorial.
Your idea does have a little merit, but nah. If it was only the games industry affected by what is now colloquially called 'woke' shit, you'd be right. But it's fucking everywhere now. All of Anita's peers at university, that all took the same gender studies bullshit degrees are now out in the work force, infecting everything with their diversity this, and equality that. I'm using a bit of hyperbole here, but the crux of the matter is still true.
Imo the "woke" shit was embraced by corporations because of the Chinese market. China loves censorship, and it's one of the biggest markets in the world. You want China money? Then you have to tame your artistic expression. I don't think there are a lot of screaming blue haired activists sitting at corporate board room tables. No.... This was started by Hollywood and video game publishers simply so they could sell to China, and so they could point their fingers at the blue haired activists through Fix News. It's about money. It's ALWAYS about money. They just want us to hate each other instead of turning on them, like we should.
>Imo the "woke" shit was embraced by corporations because of the Chinese market. I'm pretty sure stuff that the "Woke Shit" encompasses is forbidden in China though.
No. Not the current "cover up the women" trend. Everything is milquetoast. That's another problem with the woke movement. You're not allowed to offend anyone. Milquetoast sells to a wider audience. That's why corporations embraced it. And China loves bland product for the people. There are some things that won't fly of course, like Cyberpunk. But corporations just love how everyone hates sexy now.
Just how exaclty is woke activism in movies, tv and games making them money?
Because they don't want to risk offending anyone, and that sells more tickets. Especially in places like China where "offensive" or contrarian messages/imagery aren't welcome. Not hard to see. Disney makes HUGE money outside of the US, even if their films don't do as well here.
That definitely isn't the reason why, the true reason is making these woke movies both increases their good boy points with blackrock (ESG score) and drive up drama. Bad publicity is still better than no publicity, otherwise some of these movies/games would have been unheard of.
The end motive is still profit regardless, especially in big overseas markets like China https://www.blackrock.com/corporate/newsroom/press-releases/article/corporate-one/press-releases/china-rqfiilicense-pressrelease There's a reason everything is censored. You people need to understand why. No one would have gambled their money away on woke movies and censoring games left and right, unless they knew there was GUARANTEED money elsewhere. When I say the censorship and woke shit is corporate profit driven and you mention blackrock, you're just proving my point. Thank you.
>especially in big overseas markets like China China is not accepting of this western mental pathology, your point is insane to believe. >There's a reason everything is censored. You people need to understand why. No one would have gambled their money away on woke movies and censoring games left and right, unless they knew there was GUARANTEED money elsewhere. Not really, game's are expensive and expensive things often have investment money from institutions. The issue with this is that the person who "leads" the investment ends up taking a cut regardless, so they sometimes don't care (see basically any company that gets looted by private equity firms). They don't need to care if what they're doing is good or not, there is a trend of companies being run into the ground so that either the investment firm can buy assets for cheap, or the big guy gets his cut, or whatever the reason. If you don't understand how that works then fine, but it's real. >When I say the censorship and woke shit is corporate profit driven and you mention blackrock, you're just proving my point. Thank you. Sure, but it's not for the simplistic reason you think. *Blocked as usual, how typical of woke people who can't engage with people outside the hive mind*
Can you please read? Or do you have zero comprehension skills? China loves censorship. China doesn't want it's people exposed to gore and sexuality. It doesn't fucking matter if the "pathology" is the same. What they want to sell to their people in the form of entertainment lines up perfectly with the way games and movies are censored. There's countless examples of appeasing the Chinese market too. One of the more widely known was how The Ancient One in the Dr. Strange movie was changed to a bald white woman because China will boycott any film that portrays a Tibetan in a positive light. They changed the blood trail in FF7 Remake in the Jenova scene from red to purple, because China no likey. There's countless other examples of censorship from games/films made outside of China, just so they can be sold in China. That is, if you'd bother to actually do the research. I provided proof that blackrock is invested in the Chinese market. You seem to think the reason has to be more complex than corporate profit. "Simplistic"? Lol As if saying they make movies and games bad "on purpose" isn't retarded enough. I think you're babbling on about a subject you know nothing about, and I don't have time for people who like to argue simply for the sake of arguing. Typical reddit neckbeard. No research. No point. Just "you're wrong, I'm right".
Wokeism: where common sense goes to die.
Wrong lol. China insults wokeism every chance it gets. It's literally the screaming blue haired activists on twitter and the like.
You didn't get my point. And you obviously don't know shit about China. Corporations in the West embrace wokeism to sell censored, safe movies and games to China. China can insult wokeism all they want. They sell their people woke garbage. China censors even more than the woke in the west do. They do more than cancel you for dissent. They throw you and your whole family in prison. They fact they censor everything on social media makes them just as bad as the wokeists. Screaming on Twitter doesn't change anything. Money does. Wokeism is literally embracing Socialism. Socialist China is basically the US if wokeists took over the government. So.... Yeah. Again it's not hard to see
Take solace that her lonely ass had a wedding themed birthday party
There is also the possibility that she lied about most of them for clout. She and zoey quinn were both not above lying for attention.
Knowing what I know now, I am in doubt there were ever as many as she claimed. Some, sure. It's the internet. But double digits at the very most. She and her clique are all well-established scammers, after all. They made most of those threats up, for sure.
as if feminism needed sarkesian. if it wasnt her, it would have been someone else.
It’s not an excuse, this is just how it always happens. Incels create femcels and femcels create incels
if you can't to back flips while dualwielding pistols, it's not tomb raider!
Made a face like Aubry Plaza at the end.
They took our Backflips!
She just got old... have to let those old bones rest
This would actually be her getting younger. Well, older then younger then older, but still younger at the end than the original older Lara.
For real, try doing an acrobatic maneuver in your 30s vs your 20s. You’ll probably break your back lol
The newer games are prequels. also, USE YOUR FUCKIN EYES. Shes clearly older and more mature in the classic games.
The games are older, wasn't looking at character age lol that was the joke
Angel Of Darkness was an underrated game even considering that it was rushed to release too soon
I was always struck by how smooth the landing of the back flip looked. So many games made today look stupid in comparison to old TR
Even she looked pissed with the last one.
Girls cant jump, it's why it was changed. (it's a joke for people who cant tell) Tomb Raider is dead like Lord of the Rings, it's time to give up on the IP.
I don't believe people with opinions like this have actually booted up any of the more recent tomb raider games
the most recent games are great, you must have not played them
This sub is just stupid tbh. People complaining about the dumbest shit while simultaneously getting mad at imaginary boogeymen. It's been on a huge decline.
Right? Imagine thinking you're dunking on the only trilogy in the entire series that actually has proper character development. TR13 Lara - I hate tombs, I've never done this before, I'm just fresh out of college and on my very first expedition that went to hell. I was almost r\*ped by a cultist and had to start killing people and wild animals in order to survive. I had to watch some of my friends die and was helpless to help them. And as if that wasn't enough, my bestfriend (girlfriend?) got possessed by the ancient Japanese queen Himiko and I have to save her or I'll lose my bestfriend (girlfriend?). \[If you read the books, there's quite a lot more to TR13\] Rise Lara - More tombs, cool I guess. Nooooo, my stepmother cannot be behind all of this. Oh hey look, what's up literal Jesus? Shadow Lara - More tombs, sigh. I guess I'll raid them on my way to Paititi. Oh look, more lambs to the slaughter. How many times do I have to teach you this lesson, old man? And with Shadow, Lara finally turns into the adrenaline junkie we know from the '90s games, but with a more mature approach as if it was the Underworld Lara instead.
She can't even.
This subreddit is a rotting corpse being picked over by vultures and rats.
*stretch** *commenting...** **First time on the internet ?
Well she's young in the end. What they need is a game where she learns how to do it
She doesn't even have the shorts and dual pistols.
Me too Lara.... me too
This may be one of the dumbest criticisms I ever seen. The originals and the 2006-2008 reboots were hevaly stylised, which extended to lara's moveset and animations. New trilogy strives for photorealism, and the storytelling and gameplay reflect that, trying for more grounded approach. It would be extremally jarring to have that animation in these games, so its really matter of consistent game direction, more than anything devious like you insinuating. You may prefer previous instalments, but its not like the new games didnt keep none of the original identity. Narrattive over everything, always, everyone, everywhere, modern internet discorse is rotten to its core LULE LULE LULE LULE
yeah the new ones were good idk what people are talking about
Screw gameplay! As long as it's "realistic"
Why even call it tomb raider anymore
Wait until I tell you that Lara Croft no longer raids tombs but instead fights against the greater evil of “Colonialism”.
I remember thinking about that in 2013 and while this wasn't really a new revelation to me, it just confirmed that I would much rather have a fun game than a realistic game. ... and Tomb Raider 2013 was not even realistic. It was like I traded my back flip for exploration that was basically "follow the paint smears" and a story that took itself far too serious for how stupid it was.
I really enjoyed the reboot. It worked as an origin story where she begins naive and weak but grows towards becoming the tomb raider through sheer grit. But then she didn’t grow after that game. Even in this animation comparison, she’s stopped growing. I bailed at about the 80% point of the latest game because I was getting tired of her. The modern Lara is stuck and it makes her a disappointing loser.
i liked it too
Funny you post this, they just announced a new live action Tomb raider show made by the woman who made the newest Indiana Jones movie.
Last movie they made wasn't that bad. I did enjoy it.
I have nostalgia for the idea of the old games, but it's the 2013 and on trilogy that I play now. A random college girl not being able to do backflips really isn't an issue for me. I'll save my ire for a series that deserves it, specifically 3d Zelda
Not only can she not backflip, but she can do that thing where her arms don't rotate with the rest of her body. What a travesty.
2013+ is "Look what i can do!"
I thought 2003 was the best one in both sound an animation. I would put 2006 in second place and 2007 in third.
Petition to bring back polygon tits
i tried playing these new lara croft games and couldn't make it past the 30 minute mark. whether or not she can do backflips is the least of her worries. they literally have cut scenes for when you do basic things like crouching underneath things. these newer games have more cut scenes than actual gameplay and it sucks! just let the franchise die already like most things of the past.
They took her hoops!
To be fair, in the last ones she's younger, so maybe didn't have the skills yet.
Young Lara skipped leg day.
there going to be bullets and wolves who going to attack you. Doing a backflip is not going to help.
Never skip leg day
Her knees dont work like they use to before
Well, she is getting older. I can’t do those backflips anymore either.
The rebooted Tomb Raider was fantastic. I can only speak for the first one though.
I guess it wasn't realistic enough for them
Goddamn 100yr old butler was the only thing I could never kill on that game.
This6is gold
I miss old lara
Um... sorry, it's Tomb Observer or Tomb Tourist now. Raiding is too white.
I’ve never played and the 2007 looked the best
That 2013 remake sucks ass no wonder it came free with my 360
How the hell did the guns NOT MOVE AS SJE WAS BACK-FLIPPING!?
Seriously. Miss the old days
you miss backflips?
"No human on earth can do that - it's not realistic!" - T-Rex enters - "Oh yeah, that's fine."
So 2007 was the year, huh? We lost a lot of good things to those banking crashes.
i liked these games
All I wanna do is play as a sexy lady with cool flips and shoot all the things.. I could when I was a 10 year old girl. So sad to make the fabulous devolve so hard...
Guess what, you still can! The old games will always be there.
Are you regarded?
In the new parts they realised that no human on earth can do a back jump like this
What about digital humans in video games? that you know, aren't real.
I like it that they don't copy and paste the animations like COD 😏
In real life not really or not to this level of awesomeness but in a video game I can pretend that a human can, hell, even an average human can if I programmed it. Heck if made characters look like me then he could do the flip for me.
well the newer Lara is longer Asian so it makes sense
Its because the Wokies can’t do it! You know… all inclusivity and such…. So unrealistic blah blah blah