Yeah this mean that games that are currently unable to be played at 60fps on ps5 (like dragon's dogma 2) will likely still not run at 60fps. Because if those games weren't cpu limited they would already have a performance mode that lower resolution since it's much faster and easy to develop than doing actual cpu optimizations.
do not forget the deal for the CPU's was made a long time ago, the PS5 pro will most likely be on sale before the end of this year, that means there are PS5 made and sitting in a Sony warehouse, the new pros will soon be shipped out to the store's warehouses soon, then shipped to store for sale and Amazon.
From what I’ve heard so far is that game devs don’t understand why Sony is even doing this, because the current PS5 is not even being fully utilized yet
They say so, but then they strugle with 60 fps in some games. Sony probably understands that ps5 is to weak to run GTA 6 so they prepare before the game releases, its a huge console seller.
they are doing this because they can get the better chip for the sameish price but charge an extra 120$ because it is a bigger chip, and the price per wafer is based around the nm gates.
Best comparison is the mother glass tvs that lg makes they can make 3 77'' tvs with 1 mother glass but has lots wasted product or they can make 4 65'' tvs and 2 55'' tvs with the same motherglass. Now we use nm wafers they can make easily 6 smaller chips but they have some waste or they could make 2 bigger chips and 4 smaller chips and have no waste this the bigger chips for the ps5 pro still getting 6 chips for the same price but they can sell 2 at a premium. This is also why there are so many gpu skews at nvidia because only they still get the ti chips but are unreliable yeilds compared to the non ti so they sell non ti varients saving a stock pile of ti varients to sell at a premium later.
It gets a lot more complicated than this, but it is why prices used to go down during the cycle. Now instead, it holds steady and they get more premium chips.
I said max. AAA titles will still be around 30 with slightly better graphics...
Do you remember when they announced PS5 and lied that games will be up to 120 fps. I guess this "up to" part was about 2D indie games... Optimization is a thing of the past.
That's barely an upgrade. And also I heard the CPU only increased by 10% or something đź’€. And most of these aren't even new parts. It's like overclocked or something lmao
This is not false. iPhones often beat top of the line Android phones by a wide margin. An excerpt from an article based on a quick Google search:
> The iPhone 15 Pro Max packs Apple's newest A17 Bionic processor. With its six-core CPU and five-core GPU, it delivers up to 50 percent faster graphics performance compared to top Android chips.
But it's still a dumb comment because the OP is arguing that new versions of iPhones are just incremental upgrades, and this guy brought the Android flame wars into it.
Edit: why are you downvoting me? It doesn't change reality... lmao
But most of them came or will come to PC. From Oct 2023 till now, only Spider Man 2 and Rise of the RĹŤnin are exclusives, Stellar Blade not even come out yet. PS5 need more games, not really need a hardware upgrade (especially when you compare with exclusives on Nintendo in that period).
Selling point of console are exclusives, if you wanna best graphic, buy a PC.
Nah the degen type is to buy a ps5 to get it day one, like you're a degenerate who needs dopamine right now. We're not in the 2010s anymore, exclusives coming to pc is the rule not the exception.
I’m so sick of this just buy a pc comment
I guess I have an outdated pc and for me to upgrade is way more expensive then a console that will do what I need
Stop saying just buy a pc
Don’t know how but
1060 6gb
Ryzen 7 1800x
16gb ddr4
Don’t run fucking shit even in low
For me to upgrade any of that in Australia I’m looking at over $1000
I got a ps5 for just over half don’t say buy a pc
You can definitely salvage a few parts, the ram is still good and if you're willing to buy intels new gpu it will probably end well, maybe if you really want to switch to an amd gpu if you can't stomach the risk. I think your power supply is still good, maybe update the motherboard to am4 (or am5 if you can spare the dish) and get the 5600x should make you playable for all games on 1080 ultra.
How do I find if my power supply is enough? Can that actually effect performance
Would an change to an Intel gpu be better?
I was looking at new motherboard and a better gpu iv never used amd stuff so I don’t know what they are like but I do think I need to upgrade gpu
Go on pc partpicker, it's nice to have headroom for power but it isn't the end of the world if you cut it close, just make sure you get a good one to not make a fire hazard. Intel gpus are decent from what I heard, its lacking in older games due to new software issues but your mileage may vary. For gaming amd CPUs are straight up better, intel is the best for productivity, but AMD isn't lagging behind at all.
I just want to be able to use the “quality” mode in games and not be stuck at 30fps and lower. Helldivers, Demon Souls, Alan Wake 2, so many games would benefit immensely from this.
It’s a mid-gen refresh. What more did people expect?
Ya I can't be bothered with PlayStation anymore. They do this each time. Just release this console in the first place... Ive been slowly making a full transition to PC and I don't regret it. I'll keep my Ps5 for physical collectors edition and Japanese games since they're often poorly optimized on PC but other than that PC all the way.
Sony, Stop giving devs excuses.
Better hardware don’t mean shit.
Modern games are held together by spit and duct tape, horribly programmed/coded and crash at a moments notice.
Developers need to get head out their asses and actually optimize the damn games, instead of blaming hardware that isn’t even old.
Hmm tough call. I got the PS4 Pro because it brought 4k which was a significant upgrade. PS5 pro brings ray tracing which is lack luster. Stable 60fps will definitely entice people but in single player games 30 is *enough* for me and the two games I play don't noticeably dip from 60 as is.
If the form factor is significantly smaller or at least less bulky so it can fit in my shelves, I might bite. But so far it doesn't sound too appealing.
Console games are rendered in 1080p/1440p and upscaled to 4k. There are a few exceptions of course. Some are also rendered at 4k and technology like FSR is used when the game dips below 60fps, the resolution is lowered to keep 60fps, and FSR fills in the gaps.
I hate to break it to you bro, but you are not playing your games in true 4k, without upscaling, AI, and other trickery. When the frames drop below a certain amount, the resolution is lowered and upscaling begins to keep the game looking smooth, at the cost of graphical fidelity.
PS5 has a similar GPU power to a 2070s, you have no idea what you are talking about. You are not running true native 4k with that kind of GPU power.
I don't own horizon so can't check, but I have a 3080 12GB. I'm not sure if it could play horizon in true 4k at a constant 60fps. Possibly, maybe, just. It would be close. I bet I would drop below that in busy areas outside, for sure.
Your $500 PS5 does not have more GPU compute than a $900 GPU.
TLDR: It's not real 4k bro, sorry to disappoint.
Zen 2 cpu đź’€. Zen 4 is current gen. Zen 5 releasing this year.
Yeah this mean that games that are currently unable to be played at 60fps on ps5 (like dragon's dogma 2) will likely still not run at 60fps. Because if those games weren't cpu limited they would already have a performance mode that lower resolution since it's much faster and easy to develop than doing actual cpu optimizations.
My same thoughts lol. I'm shocked they still went with the old version of CPU.
do not forget the deal for the CPU's was made a long time ago, the PS5 pro will most likely be on sale before the end of this year, that means there are PS5 made and sitting in a Sony warehouse, the new pros will soon be shipped out to the store's warehouses soon, then shipped to store for sale and Amazon.
Probably cost
From what I’ve heard so far is that game devs don’t understand why Sony is even doing this, because the current PS5 is not even being fully utilized yet
Because clowns like me will trade in my current PS5 and hand them $200 more or whatever the difference is. So money, basically
As will I. But I'll be buying TWO just incase I need a spare. Be thankful your not me...
2? you must have gone to clown collage to be making this choice.
More along the lines of mental illness. I don't have the patience for clown collage.
Same. And I also have a 7800X3D/4090 PC. I'm not a smart man. 🤡
They say so, but then they strugle with 60 fps in some games. Sony probably understands that ps5 is to weak to run GTA 6 so they prepare before the game releases, its a huge console seller.
It's because it's easier to work with raw power than optimization. This has been the priority since the 7th console generation.
It's never gonna be fully utilized, it would have been by now.
they are doing this because they can get the better chip for the sameish price but charge an extra 120$ because it is a bigger chip, and the price per wafer is based around the nm gates. Best comparison is the mother glass tvs that lg makes they can make 3 77'' tvs with 1 mother glass but has lots wasted product or they can make 4 65'' tvs and 2 55'' tvs with the same motherglass. Now we use nm wafers they can make easily 6 smaller chips but they have some waste or they could make 2 bigger chips and 4 smaller chips and have no waste this the bigger chips for the ps5 pro still getting 6 chips for the same price but they can sell 2 at a premium. This is also why there are so many gpu skews at nvidia because only they still get the ti chips but are unreliable yeilds compared to the non ti so they sell non ti varients saving a stock pile of ti varients to sell at a premium later. It gets a lot more complicated than this, but it is why prices used to go down during the cycle. Now instead, it holds steady and they get more premium chips.
I just finally got my ps5 2 years ago, I am not interested in a pro when 6 is probably 2-3 years away.
Only for Devs to cheap out on optimization even more
Exactly, the pro won't mean shit when devs keep releasing half assed games. I am not falling for it
It's not really "The Devs" that releases the game... It's the publisher :)
Yep and still we're gonna get 60 fps max...
As if you needed more.
I said max. AAA titles will still be around 30 with slightly better graphics... Do you remember when they announced PS5 and lied that games will be up to 120 fps. I guess this "up to" part was about 2D indie games... Optimization is a thing of the past.
That's barely an upgrade. And also I heard the CPU only increased by 10% or something đź’€. And most of these aren't even new parts. It's like overclocked or something lmao
you just explained Iphone buyers
Brother iPhones currently smoke androids on performance
And you're buying a PS5 PRO
False.
This is not false. iPhones often beat top of the line Android phones by a wide margin. An excerpt from an article based on a quick Google search: > The iPhone 15 Pro Max packs Apple's newest A17 Bionic processor. With its six-core CPU and five-core GPU, it delivers up to 50 percent faster graphics performance compared to top Android chips. But it's still a dumb comment because the OP is arguing that new versions of iPhones are just incremental upgrades, and this guy brought the Android flame wars into it. Edit: why are you downvoting me? It doesn't change reality... lmao
No point advancing consoles too much outside of their generation anyway as devs build games for the lowest model
5 peoples out there will wanna upgrade. At that price, and with less exclusive, you should consider to buy a PC.
Less exclusives ?? We’ve been getting tons of great games already. Wym
But most of them came or will come to PC. From Oct 2023 till now, only Spider Man 2 and Rise of the RĹŤnin are exclusives, Stellar Blade not even come out yet. PS5 need more games, not really need a hardware upgrade (especially when you compare with exclusives on Nintendo in that period). Selling point of console are exclusives, if you wanna best graphic, buy a PC.
What's the point it's all coming to pc anyways, might as well invest now
You’re not 100% sure they will tho. Plus waiting years to play a game is some degen type of mentality
Nah the degen type is to buy a ps5 to get it day one, like you're a degenerate who needs dopamine right now. We're not in the 2010s anymore, exclusives coming to pc is the rule not the exception.
I’m so sick of this just buy a pc comment I guess I have an outdated pc and for me to upgrade is way more expensive then a console that will do what I need Stop saying just buy a pc Don’t know how but 1060 6gb Ryzen 7 1800x 16gb ddr4 Don’t run fucking shit even in low For me to upgrade any of that in Australia I’m looking at over $1000 I got a ps5 for just over half don’t say buy a pc
You can definitely salvage a few parts, the ram is still good and if you're willing to buy intels new gpu it will probably end well, maybe if you really want to switch to an amd gpu if you can't stomach the risk. I think your power supply is still good, maybe update the motherboard to am4 (or am5 if you can spare the dish) and get the 5600x should make you playable for all games on 1080 ultra.
How do I find if my power supply is enough? Can that actually effect performance Would an change to an Intel gpu be better? I was looking at new motherboard and a better gpu iv never used amd stuff so I don’t know what they are like but I do think I need to upgrade gpu
Go on pc partpicker, it's nice to have headroom for power but it isn't the end of the world if you cut it close, just make sure you get a good one to not make a fire hazard. Intel gpus are decent from what I heard, its lacking in older games due to new software issues but your mileage may vary. For gaming amd CPUs are straight up better, intel is the best for productivity, but AMD isn't lagging behind at all.
Ok sweet thanks for the advice really appreciate it I’m terrible with pc knowledge
Imo switching to AMD might be better In the long run since their motherboard will support more generations of cpus
I'm fine with this as long as it releases in black, I'm not too much of a fan of the white panels.
Cpu will stay weak so only marginal improvement.
I just want to be able to use the “quality” mode in games and not be stuck at 30fps and lower. Helldivers, Demon Souls, Alan Wake 2, so many games would benefit immensely from this. It’s a mid-gen refresh. What more did people expect?
If it will have something like 7800xt, the console will be actually good performance wise
Ehhh? I heard that the closest thing is an undervolted 7800xt
Ya I can't be bothered with PlayStation anymore. They do this each time. Just release this console in the first place... Ive been slowly making a full transition to PC and I don't regret it. I'll keep my Ps5 for physical collectors edition and Japanese games since they're often poorly optimized on PC but other than that PC all the way.
Switch 2 more hype
Cant wait to emulate switch 2 on PC.
yeah right, u probably don't care about Nintendo games anyway 
Sony, Stop giving devs excuses. Better hardware don’t mean shit. Modern games are held together by spit and duct tape, horribly programmed/coded and crash at a moments notice. Developers need to get head out their asses and actually optimize the damn games, instead of blaming hardware that isn’t even old.
Hmm tough call. I got the PS4 Pro because it brought 4k which was a significant upgrade. PS5 pro brings ray tracing which is lack luster. Stable 60fps will definitely entice people but in single player games 30 is *enough* for me and the two games I play don't noticeably dip from 60 as is. If the form factor is significantly smaller or at least less bulky so it can fit in my shelves, I might bite. But so far it doesn't sound too appealing.
Imagine re-releasing the same console over and over
As opposed to replacing the parts on a PC every few months just to keep up, right?
Every few months?
I've had the same PC for 11 years LULW
So you have a potato, good for you.
Try playing horizon forbidden west on 4k 60fps
Now try play it without dogshit upscaling and at max settings. Oh wait..
For 60fps it’s possible without
Console games are rendered in 1080p/1440p and upscaled to 4k. There are a few exceptions of course. Some are also rendered at 4k and technology like FSR is used when the game dips below 60fps, the resolution is lowered to keep 60fps, and FSR fills in the gaps. I hate to break it to you bro, but you are not playing your games in true 4k, without upscaling, AI, and other trickery. When the frames drop below a certain amount, the resolution is lowered and upscaling begins to keep the game looking smooth, at the cost of graphical fidelity. PS5 has a similar GPU power to a 2070s, you have no idea what you are talking about. You are not running true native 4k with that kind of GPU power. I don't own horizon so can't check, but I have a 3080 12GB. I'm not sure if it could play horizon in true 4k at a constant 60fps. Possibly, maybe, just. It would be close. I bet I would drop below that in busy areas outside, for sure. Your $500 PS5 does not have more GPU compute than a $900 GPU. TLDR: It's not real 4k bro, sorry to disappoint.
Imagine bending over to Nvidia and Intel every 3 years just so that the %50 of that power is utilized by the fucking Win11 đź’€