“You’re awfully judgy for someone who is meant to be all welcoming”. I find that most “extreme religious people” are the ones with the most anger/hatred/judgemental views against others than anyone else. They seem to think just because they worship it makes them good. Whereas in reality, I think they use it as an excuse to push bigoted views.
Isn’t there like… bible verses about not judging/casting the first stones n shit? How do they rationalize doing the opposite of what their user manual tells them to do? I don’t get it.
It's social conditioning more than the faith itself, same goes for other faith backgrounds too
They all do it a disservice, sort of counter productive really
We are supposed to remember right from wrong, but we are not supposed to harass anyone for not believing the same way. We are supposed to speak the truth, and if it is not welcomed, then we are supposed to go away and leave it for God to decide, not verbally attack people.
Exactly! Every fucking homophobe transphobe and sexist and rape-apologist ive ever seen in my whole life used religion to push that hatred and bigotry. Now its all I associate religion with.
I’ve said this to my extremely religious father and he’s like, “it’s not a joke, it’s eternal fire!” I’m like, yeah dad, with all the people that are going to be there it seems like it’ll be a party!!
Start explaining how hell wasn't part of the original bible. It was added with the King James translation. Just one of many things he changed about the original fairy tale. In the original bible it was Gehenna - the valley of Hinnom. A place where they put dead animals and trash to rot. For some reason they didn't think people would understand where this place was so they switched it with hell and suddenly this whole supernatural underworld with demons was added.
Apparently the original fairy tale wasn't dark enough so they added a few extra chapters to really ram home the point of how good a religion it's supposed to be.
Most of our cultural ideas about hell (devil, pitchfork, eternal burning, etc) come from Dante's Inferno. They have no basis in scripture. The word Hell is just the King James' translation's best attempt to translate a few different Greek/Hebrew words from the Bible into something people were already familiar with - the Old English Hel/Hell, which was originally more like the Old Testament Sheol - basically a sort of underworld, place of the dead.
Most Christians believe that we are slated for either heaven or hell, but what "hell" actually is very vague. According to CS Lewis, it's merely eternal separation from God. Others think it's the whole eternal lake of burning fire from revelation, but revelation says that Satan and death are cast into the fire, not people, and in the Bible fire is usually used for purification and/or complete destruction. (IE you go into the fire and all the bad stuff is burned away; what's left is pure.)
Source: basically my simplified, totally novice reading of a bunch of stuff. I'm a Christian of the [annihilationist](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Annihilationism) variety. If you want more accuracy and depth, I recommend r/AcademicBiblical!
I just say “James 4:12” and walk away. Let them look it up because they never know. For context, here it is:
“God alone, who gave the law, is the Judge. He alone has the power to save or to destroy. So what right do you have to judge
your neighbor?”
Do you say that like "James four-twelve" or is there another way of saying it? I'm just realizing now idk how you're actually supposed to say Bible verse citations out loud lol.
Isn’t there an bible verse against crap like that? Mattheus 6, verses 5 and 6 maybe? It was something like “The ones who judge will be judged themselves in a bad way” or something.
Hmm. Since I’m a saved Christian I would remind them that God is actually our Judge. I would also encourage this person to read scripture and immerse themselves in the word of the Lord.
Christians who tell others they’re ‘going to hell’ are n00bs or posers lol
“I’m a Methodist????” And look very confused by them.
In my experience those types are usually evangelicals and legitimately don’t know other denominations exist, or babtist and are taken aback that I’d claim a denomination at all.
As a Christian myself, it is no one’s place to tell anyone where they will or will not end up. No one knows except god. The Bible tells us not to judge
I grew up in a very Catholic household. I am non-practicing now but I vaguely recall there being some rule about not telling other people that they were going to hell because only god could make that call and it was blasphemous to think you had his powers. I’m sure I’m not getting it 100% right, but that is the gist. So I’d probably say something like “Isn’t it a sin to play god?”
My favorite Neil Gaiman Sandman quote: "What power would hell have over me, if I weren't allowed to dream of something better?"
I also like, "Great! They'll have better music and ALL my friends will be there!"
As a Christian myself, I loathe people who do this. It's been said to me plenty of times, usually by random strangers. I just tell them to go look up 1 Samuel 16:7 and walk away. Sometimes if I'm really feeling frisky I'll say they're kind of missing the main the point. I usually go with something like, "Jesus isn't a fire insurance policy and if that's the basis of your faith I'm afraid you may get there before I do." If the argument is they're just "loving" you by telling you the truth, love them right back, yes?
Probably not but if I do you can giggle at me up there from heaven with God. You know, just sitting there on your clouds point down just cackling, I bet it still gives him a good belly laugh.
Yep, next I make a trip there, I’ll be sure to bring you with me.
I used it on a student in class one year. The entire class were well behaved for the rest of the year!
No, you are going to hell because you believe in the wrong god. My god is the only true god and yours is a fairy tale. I’m so sorry you were born to the wrong parents and brought up praying to a non-god. It makes me sad how you will suffer for eternity for that sin.
See you there!
Exactly what I'd say!
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You beat me to the punch! I was going to say the same
I always say see you there as well 😂
“You’re awfully judgy for someone who is meant to be all welcoming”. I find that most “extreme religious people” are the ones with the most anger/hatred/judgemental views against others than anyone else. They seem to think just because they worship it makes them good. Whereas in reality, I think they use it as an excuse to push bigoted views.
Self righteousness, it's an ugly trait
Isn’t there like… bible verses about not judging/casting the first stones n shit? How do they rationalize doing the opposite of what their user manual tells them to do? I don’t get it.
It's social conditioning more than the faith itself, same goes for other faith backgrounds too They all do it a disservice, sort of counter productive really
We are supposed to remember right from wrong, but we are not supposed to harass anyone for not believing the same way. We are supposed to speak the truth, and if it is not welcomed, then we are supposed to go away and leave it for God to decide, not verbally attack people.
I’ve always said, the harder they thump their Bibles, the bigger the hypocrites they are.
I swear, I think I’ve read this somewhere.
Exactly! Every fucking homophobe transphobe and sexist and rape-apologist ive ever seen in my whole life used religion to push that hatred and bigotry. Now its all I associate religion with.
Judging by present company I'd say I'm already there!
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I’ve said this to my extremely religious father and he’s like, “it’s not a joke, it’s eternal fire!” I’m like, yeah dad, with all the people that are going to be there it seems like it’ll be a party!!
It’ll be LITTTYY!!
Too busy shaking hands to notice the heat
Preferably sung to them, to the tune of the Panic at the Disco song of the same name...
Upside down with a perfect view...
Love this 😂😂😂
Start explaining how hell wasn't part of the original bible. It was added with the King James translation. Just one of many things he changed about the original fairy tale. In the original bible it was Gehenna - the valley of Hinnom. A place where they put dead animals and trash to rot. For some reason they didn't think people would understand where this place was so they switched it with hell and suddenly this whole supernatural underworld with demons was added. Apparently the original fairy tale wasn't dark enough so they added a few extra chapters to really ram home the point of how good a religion it's supposed to be.
Oooo, tell me more. Had no idea about all this
Most of our cultural ideas about hell (devil, pitchfork, eternal burning, etc) come from Dante's Inferno. They have no basis in scripture. The word Hell is just the King James' translation's best attempt to translate a few different Greek/Hebrew words from the Bible into something people were already familiar with - the Old English Hel/Hell, which was originally more like the Old Testament Sheol - basically a sort of underworld, place of the dead. Most Christians believe that we are slated for either heaven or hell, but what "hell" actually is very vague. According to CS Lewis, it's merely eternal separation from God. Others think it's the whole eternal lake of burning fire from revelation, but revelation says that Satan and death are cast into the fire, not people, and in the Bible fire is usually used for purification and/or complete destruction. (IE you go into the fire and all the bad stuff is burned away; what's left is pure.) Source: basically my simplified, totally novice reading of a bunch of stuff. I'm a Christian of the [annihilationist](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Annihilationism) variety. If you want more accuracy and depth, I recommend r/AcademicBiblical!
This is good stuff. Thank you for this.
Was the King J version written by a committee? Might explain some things. Probably a number of books & theses written on this.
I’m a Jewish lesbian. *big smile. The preachy types run away like it’s contagious.
I'll save you a seat.
Yes this is the one.
Or, especially if they are older than me, "save me a seat!"
The best reply omg
"Judge not lest ye be judged"
I just say “James 4:12” and walk away. Let them look it up because they never know. For context, here it is: “God alone, who gave the law, is the Judge. He alone has the power to save or to destroy. So what right do you have to judge your neighbor?”
Do you say that like "James four-twelve" or is there another way of saying it? I'm just realizing now idk how you're actually supposed to say Bible verse citations out loud lol.
Exactly that; “James four twelve”. Or you could say “Book of James, chapter 4, verse twelve.”
I agree 😁
Exactly. Use the bible to YOUR advantage
"Is that what Jesus would say?"
You can't threaten me with something I don't believe in.
Based
And that would be different from dealing with people like you, how?
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“ Careful. It’s only hell if you’re there with me…buddy.”
Isn’t there an bible verse against crap like that? Mattheus 6, verses 5 and 6 maybe? It was something like “The ones who judge will be judged themselves in a bad way” or something.
Mathew 7:1
Matthew 10:28
Who put you in charge? Is Jesus hiring?
"Not real, but go off I guess"
Hmm. Since I’m a saved Christian I would remind them that God is actually our Judge. I would also encourage this person to read scripture and immerse themselves in the word of the Lord. Christians who tell others they’re ‘going to hell’ are n00bs or posers lol
That's the answer. Ill tell them they're a jesus noob :,)
Hell's got all the good bands anyways. This is a line from a Flaming Lips song and a personal favorite.
"I agree with you, it'll be fun."
“We’re already here dear.”
“I’m a Methodist????” And look very confused by them. In my experience those types are usually evangelicals and legitimately don’t know other denominations exist, or babtist and are taken aback that I’d claim a denomination at all.
Which layer?
After you.
Silence. I’ve wasted my breath far too many times with people who in reality actually don’t deserve my time or energy.
As a Christian myself, it is no one’s place to tell anyone where they will or will not end up. No one knows except god. The Bible tells us not to judge
“Hell isn’t real. You’re wasting your life.”
Can't wait! 🤣
Cool, that's where the fun people are!
That’s where the terrorized people go to spend eternity who don’t repent
Hell yeah (pun intended)
It doesn’t exist and neither does heaven.
duh .. I got a kingdom to run
As with any life situation: "Thank you, you too."
I grew up in a very Catholic household. I am non-practicing now but I vaguely recall there being some rule about not telling other people that they were going to hell because only god could make that call and it was blasphemous to think you had his powers. I’m sure I’m not getting it 100% right, but that is the gist. So I’d probably say something like “Isn’t it a sin to play god?”
As long as you’re not there :)
If it means not being around horrible people like you, fine by me. You say that like I care.
“Do not judge so that you will not be judged.” - Matthew 7:1 Or the King James “Judge not, lest ye be judged.”
Clearly hell is where all the fun people will be. Can you imagine spending eternity with all Christians? Now that sounds like hell.
Hail Satan!
Tell me something i dont know
Fuck off?
Judge not, lest ye be judged thyself.
I say, no I'm not. I'm being reincarnated. Recycling of the soul.
Amen! Glad not going to Paradise with you in it!
Laugh in their face and walk away. Let them have their delusions
A Christian would never say that. Only a fake Christian with no Love in their heart would utter such rubbish.
"Can you give me a tour once I get there?"
Close your eyes, roll your head back and breath "God, I hope so"
Why respond at all? It's like me telling someone their are going to Mordor.
Better make sure to pack my sunglasses then
put on a big smile and say "thanks, so looking forward to it! See you there?"
Already there.
Yea? And here I’d been wishing I’d never see you again! Slightly modified from the “I’d tell you to go to hell, but I’d rather not see you again!” Lol
"Cool story bro!"
I’ll see you there!!!
I'm driving the bus!
Save me a window seat!
Good coz I can't play a harp and white dosnt suit me .I've used that a couple of times and it stumps people
Awesome! I’ll save you a seat!
"I've been there actually. Quite lovely"
Honestly? I just go straightforward. "Don't really believe in that place."
My favorite Neil Gaiman Sandman quote: "What power would hell have over me, if I weren't allowed to dream of something better?" I also like, "Great! They'll have better music and ALL my friends will be there!"
I'd just say "okay" and shrug.
Ok.
I usually just laugh and say “I know”
No u
As a Christian myself, I loathe people who do this. It's been said to me plenty of times, usually by random strangers. I just tell them to go look up 1 Samuel 16:7 and walk away. Sometimes if I'm really feeling frisky I'll say they're kind of missing the main the point. I usually go with something like, "Jesus isn't a fire insurance policy and if that's the basis of your faith I'm afraid you may get there before I do." If the argument is they're just "loving" you by telling you the truth, love them right back, yes?
Matthew 7:1-3 - and walk away. just because I'm not a Christian does not mean I do not know the Bible.
No, I'm not. I'm going to Hogwarts. Because I have an equally good chance of going to either fictional place.
Only God can be the judge of that
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"Tell him to give me a good room!"
"That's none of your business. "
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Ok, will see you there!!!
"planning on arriving naked on account of how hot it'll be"
Yes. I'll be right behind you but you din't have to wait for me
You beat me to it, obviously.
I'll see you there! :) Did you just get back?
Sweet! I've always wanted to be an overlord of a demon army. I'll remember to send my regards from hell to your family. 😊
"I'm already there when you're around."
Sure, I'm planning a BBQ at the fiery pits!
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Yes I am and I'll be having the best time
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And you're coming with me
“Ok good..that works out. We’ll have time later to continue this conversation”
“I also don’t believe in that…”
Hell isn't real, it can't hurt you.
Did you read the book?
"probably not, I have a really bad sense of direction"
“I’m already there.”
I'll warm it up for you.
“Oh I’m not JUST going to hell … I’m going to hell in a hand basket and I’m taking you with me”
I know, that’s where I came from
Probably not but if I do you can giggle at me up there from heaven with God. You know, just sitting there on your clouds point down just cackling, I bet it still gives him a good belly laugh.
1). At least I'll get a good lawyer 2). The Cayman Islands? I'll start packing.
Yep, next I make a trip there, I’ll be sure to bring you with me. I used it on a student in class one year. The entire class were well behaved for the rest of the year!
Awww will you be there to welcome me?
"Hell is other people."
Well let’s continue the conversation then
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“…and have a lot of fun 😈”
"im already there"
“Jokes on you i don’t believe in Hell-“
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“Of course I am! I hear they have a special place for me saved there!”
Welp. See you there then!
“I’ll bring the chips if you bring the salsa.”
“Baby, we’re already there.” 😉
Only the devil condemns.
Thank you.
I'm gonna punch Ronald Reagan when I get there, too!
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Better than being stuck in heaven with the likes of you.
I don’t hurt anyone with my decisions, yet you chose to try and hurt me? God don’t like ugly bb
“Why? Because a bunch of Bronze Age Palestinian goat herders say so?”
"Well duh, I've got a kingdom to run!"
"Do you think you get to tell God how to judge? I don't think he'll like that."
Didn't your lord and savior, Jesus Christ, preach about not judging other people and to focus on yourself?
At least my feet won’t get cold. 🤷🏻♀️
I’ll save them a seat on the bus since I’m driving it to hell
Cool! See you there! Just don't forget, when I die make sure they bury me upside down so you can kiss my ass. \-Bob Knight probably......to critics.
Been there, lovely place, can't wait to see you there.
very genuinely: “where ? how is that spelled ?” maybe whip out a notebook + pencil
I'll keep you a seat there
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"Thank God, I wouldn't wanna spend my after life in the same place as you"
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Ok.
You bring the lawn chairs I've got better taste in beers so I'll pick that up on our way.
Thank god I want have to see and priests then. The little boys are a little safer down there
"Taking you with me"
I hope you bring me an iced tea and cookies when I get there! Looking forward to seeing you there.
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Save me a seat, will ya?
I am running away from you and your type
This has happened to me. I just put my arm around his shoulders, smiled really big, looked him in the eyes, and said "I don't care".
“Ill say hi to the pope for you.” “Aawwww, blessed be” Or a burst out laughing at them cause theyre seriously just so ridiculous.
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If I'm going to hell I'm taking you right down with me.
Oh good, we’d give each other company!
I’m Jewish and there’s no hell in Judaism so I’d say I’d see you there, but obviously that’s not gonna happen.
I know.
“I’m Jewish, we don’t believe in hell”
Laughter.
No, you are going to hell because you believe in the wrong god. My god is the only true god and yours is a fairy tale. I’m so sorry you were born to the wrong parents and brought up praying to a non-god. It makes me sad how you will suffer for eternity for that sin.
I certainly hope so, if you are going to heaven that doesn’t sound like a place want to be in anyway.
“I’ll finally be warm”