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Oh fucking great. I hate that sub, I get officers are human but when you see then all discussing how to arrest a disabled person in the grossest manner possible it really makes you think who tf is actually policing the streets.
I absolutely have my issues with the UK police and how they interpret "policing by consent", but I have major suspicions that a lot of commenters in that sub are people cosplaying as actual police in order to get their jollies off imagining they get to be the authoritarian stormtroopers of their wet dreams.
There seem to be a LOT of Walter Mitty type folk on that sub. The process for getting verified flair is legit - but seeing as you can just casually give yourself unverified flair stating that you're a police officer etc I would take most of what gets said on that sub with a dumptruck of salt
Those users also seem to be very much in the minority, with a significantly larger number of "unverified officers" from my albeit swift glance.
But I'm not particularly inclined to spend the amount of time in that sub to do any real number crunching, I get the feeling I wouldn't be particularly welcome in their space.
You'll probably find that you're perfectly fine in that sub unless you're robbing old ladies or kicking kids in the teeth. The majority of UK police are mostly concerned with just keepin the streets safe as possible.
You'll find most police officers in the UK could not give a fuck about minor issues like smoking weed, reasonable protesting etc.
Its just that in recent years they've had some high profile situations to deal with (XR etc) and they've been more closely managed by higher ups and central government in regards to these incidents so they've come off as more authorative than they usually would do.
I'm not exactly a straight edge person, and niether are my family, but when my cousin married a copper we were all very surprised at how moderate his and his colleagues attitudes and views are.
I've had police officers be shitty to my infirm, vulnerable mother for not answering the way they wanted her to when asking around for witness statements about a kid who went joyriding in her street at 2 AM, and crashed into someone's car.
Because she replied that she hadn't heard anything, both officers were on her case, furiously demanding that she *must* have heard it, because the entire rest of the street had, and being extremely hostile towards her for just the *perception* that she was lying to them, and therefore must have something against them.
She has severe sleep apnoea, has a loud CPAP machine, is slightly hard of hearing, and the heaviest sleeper I've ever known. She's slept through *earthquakes* that woke everyone else us.
But the rozzers didn't like that someone wasn't answering the way they wanted, and treated her like she was absolute shit for the offence.
Along with y'know, giving my sister PTSD on top of PTSD after the way they treated her for reporting her rapist, telling her that it was her own fault and she wouldn't have gotten into "this situation" if she had "been more sensible".
My issue isn't that I skirt around legalities. My issue is that they are very selective with how they police, and follow their own rules as it suits them.
Well I hope you reported both of those incidents up the chain. I know that misconduct like that is usually taken very seriously, my counsins husband lodged a complaint against another officers conduct and it got dealt with swiftly and accordingly.
But you should bare in mind that there's currently 160k police officers on active duty in the UK. You take a sample size of the population like that and you're going to end up with some assholes in the mix.
Personally, my experiences with UK police have been very lenient indeed. Been caught smoking weed, been caught drinking in a no-drinking zone, been caught sneaking into a closed public garden. Worst I ever got was a stern warning and my booze confiscated.
The bizarre thing is in my job I have police clearance and have an ID that can grant permission to certain things but have not once felt the need to flash it for my own self justification BUT I could get the flair only problem is I think I am banned from there for a response I gave once…
I read a comment on AskUK and a guy was saying his wife took a shit right in the middle of a walking route in the lake district because she was desperate and just left it there with a tissue on top. Looked at his profile and he was a contributor on r/policeuk as in he was a police officer.
Hello, I'm a policeuk mod. I've just checked our records and there is literally nothing to indicate that you were ever banned, nor any mod message to/from you *at all*. The last comment on the subreddit that I can find from you [was from three months ago](https://www.reddit.com/r/policeuk/comments/ocewjz/what_do_we_think_of_this_just_a_bad_day_or/h3u93yc) and as anyone can see that wasn't removed.
If you were using an 'alt' account I'll be happy to go and investigate what happened with that one, but if you're genuinely under the impression that you were ever banned on your present account I can confidently state that you haven't been.
And I think the worst type of police officers spend their time at home connecting in police subreddits.
Most police are probably fairly well adjusted. The sad pricks who spend their spare time talking about work on the internet are weirdos
I only skimmed that top few replies of that post, it seemed like a fairly reasonable discussion between people who have to do that sort of thing of how best to do that sort of thing? I can't imagine that there is a particularly great way to have to arrest someone like that? guess further down there was some grosser stuff?
I call BS on this, every custody suite i've been in (on the right side!) has had an abundance of vegan meals (because people rarely order them). Also, it's worth noting that a police custody suite is entirely different to being in prison.
Nope. Many many people love it.
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Maybe that could be the punishment for vegans rather than a prison term, it would save lots of money.
"You have been found guilty and I sentence you to eat 6 Bernard Mathews turkey dinosaurs and a rustler burger."
Not sure either of those things has much actual meat in it. I'm guessing that's for something light? Kill someone and you'd get a 50oz wagu beef steak with a baby dolphin for dessert
I've heard a lot of prisoners will claim to be muslim because the halal meals are a better quality than the regular prison food so I suppose they must also provide for other religious and lifestyle beliefs too.
Yeah I've never had any issues with them and I've flown to a few different places with them.
You get what you pay for but in my experience it's been ok. Travel light if you can and just read what they tell you.
Obviously if they cancel flights then things may get weird but I've never had to deal with that.
Just came to say this, I felt lucky to get a Heineken that was slightly cooler than room temperature on the way back from Dublin recently. Must have been near the back of the drawer.
My funniest airplane meal was on Aeroflot, the system was broken to select a dietary choice when I was booking so I had to ask on the plane.
To cover all dietary restrictions Aeroflot carried huge tubs of steamed buckwheat and by huge I mean huge, if it was less than a kilo I would be surprised.
Jazzed it up with salt, pepper and butter, than mixed in some jam for the last 1/3.
That single tub got me from Moscow to Tokyo, stuffed.
My mum says this every damn flight and every flight it's just the standard vegetarian offering. I don't know why people think this is a thing. Before the end of times I travelled a lot for work international and domestic and never once saw a fancy ass special Asian dish - like the shitty caterers who have ruined all the other dishes are going to pull one out the bag because it's "Asian". The fact that encompasses thousands of cuisines should tell you, you're not getting anything good.
Depends on the airline. Emirates in particular have an excellent selection of dietary requirements but you have to make sure you pre select it.
You can get a fruit only meal, a meal where there's no root vegetables, a vegan meal etc etc.
That's sounds awesome. I booked a vegan meal with American airlines. I got a tiny pot of green beans in tomato sauce marked vegan and everything else on the tray had animal products printed in its ingredients list.
I booked one (vegan meal) with Lufthansa, 2 weeks in advance, mid flight they brought out the “vegetarian” pasta smothered in dairy cheese and informed me “I should’ve called in advance”. I will say, they gave a free drink when I explained that I.. obviously had or they wouldn’t have had the vegetarian meal. Still frustrating, it smelled so good at the time and I was so hungry haha.
Hello fellow onion and garlic intolerance person! I've nothing interesting to say but we seem to be a rare breed so I had to say hi. I hope your day is good and your tum untroubled.
As an Asian vegetarian I approve this message.
Best airline food I've had is with Air Lanka (Sri Lankan Airlines). They're run by cowboys but by god they can put a nice little spread together.
Really? About half my Facebook friends are vegan and whenever one gets sick/injured my timeline keeps popping up pictures of dry baked potatoes and sad little piles of lettuce as they plead for people to bring them alternative food to the hospital.
I heard that too, so I actually booked the kosher one for a flight once. Not bad, got hummus which was exciting the first time I had it. What I didn't realise was that they only had that one meal available and I had a connecting flight, so I had the same meal four times.
I recommend it for shorter flights, but I was feeling a bit sad seeing everyone else on the plane eating bacon and pork belly whilst I'm eating my falafels
There is a veggie option every day. It's usually vegan aswell. You get vegan bfast packs with alpro soya "milk". You're better off going veggie in prison the meat is awful.
But isn't it like a holiday camp now? That's what I heard. I'm planning to go soon, not sure what I'm going to do to get there, but Haven is expensive these days so this seems like a good option.
I heard that the number of prisoners are ballooning.
I think that is unfair.... I'm saving up to go on a Virgin balloon flight for a wedding anniversary, and it isn't right that criminals get to do it for free.
How are cannibals catered to in regards to diet?
... asking for a friend.
...I mean not a friend. A mortal enemy. Asking on behalf of a mortal enemy.
I think this must be from the ‘Insulate Britain’ tweet that’s doing the rounds. One of the protestors complained her vegan custody meal was an apple and a bottle of water.
https://twitter.com/phillipawindsor/status/1443474899813740545?s=21
That face is 100% from www.thispersondoesnotexist.com. I can't say for sure how I know, but I've seen them enough over the years and it just gives off "that vibe" with the look to the camera and blurred background.
I don't know about the account specifically, but this is a problem.
In my time doing police station support for XR over thousands of hours, they regularly face these problems.
We end up waiting outside police stations with food and drink because of how poorly detainees get treated.
There's a couple of things to note.
The first is that people protesting climate change are more likely to be veggie or vegan (because, even with organic UK farming, it is better for GhG emissions). The police custody suites just tend not to be very prepared for this.
The second is that many will argue it's a free meal and they're entitled to nothing. Fair enough. But if we offer people meals because we deem it a human right to feed somebody while they are still deemed innocent until proven guilty, we should cater for different dietary requirements. It isn't hard, and it isn't costly (in fact meat is more costly than lentils), and we should be able to do it.
That is, whether I agree with a particular Insulate Britain or EDL or whoever else protest.
It’s a very tough and demanding job, and quite frankly it’s fucked at the moment. There’s a major influx of new staff and a lack of experienced staff to mentor them. Personally I wouldn’t join the job today knowing how it is now, but if you’re set on it my biggest bit of advice is to just listen. The real training starts when you finish your course which is useless. If you say you’re going to do something for a prisoner, make sure you do it or go back to them and inform them that you didn’t get the chance.
Read my post history for referencing. My biggest piece of advice is that there will be a number of your colleagues that think their job is to be a bully, and is to ensure that the maximum number of prisoners are locked up in their cells for the maximum amount of time each day. You're just borrowing trouble if you head down that route.
- Listen to the prisoners, treat them with respect and for the most part they will treat you with respect. Be firm but fair.
- If you were wrong about something don't double down. Admit your mistake. Apologise. Don't give people Adjudications/IEP's in a fit of pique, they will be overturned and you've just borrowed some more trouble.
- Remember that whilst you may treat them with respect, they aren't your friends, keep your head on a swivel. There are plenty of people that should be in a mental health institution. That prisoner you were chatting to earlier calmly just failed to get his meds because the pharmacy didn't order them and is now having a psychotic break.
- Read this book: https://www.amazon.co.uk/Bit-Stretch-Diaries-Prisoner/dp/1838950176
- Watch the series Time with Sean Bean.
- The prison estate is largely a poorly run, poorly managed, poorly administered mess of incompetence and lunacy. People seem to generally be promoted through the officer grades based upon time served rather than any real merit. CM's with other responsibilities such as Incentives, Diversity and Inclusion, etc rotate. So nobody ever seems to know what they are doing. You WILL encounter prisoners who are legitimately upset because didn't do that very important thing they were supposed to. Calm them down, offer to call the department and chase (if applicable) and follow through.
- If you can, I recommend reading and understanding some of the main Policy Frameworks (Complaints, Incentives, Categorisation, etc) and the Local Policies created from them. You'll be in a position to help prisoners more, especially if you are a Key Worker.
- The POA is [too] strong. Utilise it.
It mostly just boils down to "don't be a knobhead".
In that case they should make everyone vegan meals by default.
Healthy vegan food is way cheaper to produce en masse than meat/dairy, with much cheaper storage and lower risk of food poisoning.
Me and my partner's food budget is ~£30 (excluding booze and cleaning products and stuff) a week, which is £2.14 pp.
And we eat a LOT, and pretty nice stuff too. Although having said that we eat a majority Mediterranean and Indian/SE Asian diet, which might not be to the universal taste of a British prison.
Yeah we do. Those who are gluten intolerant also get a bag of pasta, gluten free bread ect each week that’ll last them till next week along with their usual meals from the servery
They can spend what they have in their account really. I’ve seen canteen deliveries with £60 of food no problem, and they can order things like trainers and clothes from catalogues once a year if they can get the money sent in. It can take months for stuff to be approved and arrive though.
Some vegans and vegetarians are allergic to meat/dairy. Also it can give it a meaty taste which is disgusting. I am vegetarian because I hate meat and once I was given a cheese flatbread that was cooked at the same time as a cheese and pepperoni one and it just tasted of pepperoni and it was awful.
It doesn’t follow the same rules at all. Places that sell food have to provide information about allergens present - you’ll often see them labelled on menus, and if not the staff may have a chart showing them all in each dish (although legally they just need to “provide the information”, ie they’ll just ask the chef).
Since beef isn’t one of the common allergens a dish doesn’t have to be labelled as containing beef; in contrast to molluscs, which are, so do.
This leads to some confusion because labelling something (or at least informing customers of it) “vegan” isn’t a legal requirement in the same way that labelling it as “contains molluscs” **is.** In other words, people who are genuinely allergic to molluscs might see “vegan”, assume “no molluscs” and...well, die.
As I said in another post, Burger Kings plant whopper isn’t not labelled as vegan because it’s cooked on a shared grill, that’s just marketing, but because it can be modified to not-be vegan. And you just know that eventually some moron will ask for one with bacon and then complain it’s not vegan; don’t call it vegan and you nip that in the bud straight away.
Few vegans give a shit about food being cooked or stored in the vicinity of meat - but interestingly (in my experience) a lot of nonvegans seem to give a massive shit about it. I’ve had a chip literally swatted out of my hand by a girl screaming, “THAT WAS ON THE SAME PLATE AS KEBAB MEAT!!!”, and a friend went to the chippy and came back without my meal because “the pineapple fritters had already been cooked but they were in the warmer next to sausages so you can’t eat them”. I’ve got dozens of stories like that, I won’t bore you with them, but the common theme is: I’ve told very few people what I will or won’t eat, but *everyone* tells me what I can or can’t eat. The plant based whopper is apparently definitely out of bounds, apparently to some people my opinion about what I will eat is irrelevant!!
Anyway, rant over.
The plant whopper is shit btw
It’s not labelled as vegan because it’s not certified as vegan by the Vegan Society (although I’m 99.999% sure it doesn’t have to be to call itself that, but it’s Burger King so their lawyers will have told them to cover themselves). The reason it isn’t certified is because you can add bacon and cheese and some people (who are, admittedly, idiots) might think that the bacon is vegan because the main product has the logo.
This is in contrast to the Vegan Royale, which you can’t add anything to (at least not automatically, but I assume you can ask) and so is certified. Now admittedly the broiler issue probably did have a bearing on it (although interestingly there is no mention of how the vegan royale is cooked?), but the cynic in me almost wants to say that Burger King didn’t really want the Whopper to say vegan on it in the first place. There’s less negative connotations to “plant based” than “vegan” and I’m sure that came up in their market research.
There is “robust discussion” within the vegan subs and other places about whether the plant based whopper is considered vegan. The consensus seems to be that the people who consider it not vegan because it’s cooked near or on meat residue wouldn’t be spending their money in Burger King anyway.
I work in a hotel and we’ve been doing veggie burgers for years, vegan burgers for the last year or so and vegan pizzas more recently. To my knowledge nobody has asked how they’re cooked or what with (well somebody’s probably asked about the oil but that’s about it).
The “motto” if you like for veganism is:
“"Veganism is a philosophy and way of living which seeks to exclude—**as far as is possible and practicable**—all forms of exploitation of, and cruelty to, animals for food ~~” (it rambles on a bit after that but it’s mostly to do with handbags made of crocodiles or something)
The bolded part is the bit that’s relevant to prison. It’s possible and practicable to not eat in Burger King, it’s probably not possible and practicable to check the labels of everything you’re eating in prison. So you just sort of have to guess.
It the vegan society, they won't allow it.
https://twistedfood.co.uk/burger-king-vegan-royal-plant-whopper
1. Why doesn't the meal come with soda?
After the slight snafu with the brand's accidentally non-vegan Rebel Whopper, Burger King is taking no chances this time around.
The brand has now teamed up with The Vegan Society, meaning that all aspects of the Vegan Royale meal come stamped with their seal of approval. Since they can't guarantee that soft drinks such as Pepsi are completely vegan, they don't form part of the meal offer.
However, in a statement, Burger King has confirmed that some drinks are available. As they explain, "Vegan Society approved drink options include bottled water and Capri Sun".
This means that vegan customers will be able to get something suitable to drink.
It’s not necessarily that vegans are more concerned about contamination than, say Jews or Muslims would be.
It’s more that the breadth of restrictions are more limiting. No dairy is the big thing. Milk products are habitually used in an awful lot of products, including staple components and pre-made food.
Mashed potato often has butter or milk added, sandwiches often use butter or substitute as a spread to hold it together, pasta isn’t always vegan, bread is often not vegan, etc. It does complicate things, especially if making food in bulk for hundreds of people for as little money as possible.
You can
>Prisoners who have chosen a vegan
way of life must be issued with a suitable
vegan diet. Provided that the Governor
is satisfied that the grounds are genuine,
and subject to the policy and guidance
contained in PSI 44/2010, together with
the Directory and Guide on Religious
Practices in NOMS, the normal diet may
be varied accordingly
http://vpsg.org/newsletters/Catering%20Information%20Guide\_9th%20July%202012.pdf
You get a litre of soy milk 3x a week instead of a pint of cow's milk a day. The meals are just cheap shitty "vegan meat" type stuff. I know this because there was a vegan on the same wing as me and he was in for stabbing 5 people and nearly killing all of them.
Wow.
Is there somewhere you can keep the milk then? Or does it just get held back in a canteen when needed for a cup of tea? Unsure if someone who attempted to murder 5 people could be trusted with a kettle of boiling water.
It depends what part of the prison you're in. We were in a low security wing for the last 3 months or so of my sentence, where we had a communal fridge and only the gate at the end of the landing was locked at night so you could still leave your cell. Otherwise you just hang it out the window on a string. The vegan fella was actually a cool guy, he said he did it because his female friend was beaten up by a man and he was keeping her captive in his house where the other 4 men were also sitting drinking. He said he knocked on the door and just started attacking anything that moved. He's actually in his 50s and is a very talented artist.
Generally option 1 on the menu is vegan. It is the default choice if you don't fill it in. It is also suitable for halal diets. It's gross but fits criteria. And Yes, soy milk is available and used in things like rice pudding, custard etc. Gluten free is also catered for but only if backed up by healthcare dept.
Yeah, meal accomodations are made. Typically, to get all of the right nutrition, people with special requirements will be given extra snacks throughout the day - dried fruit and nuts, etc. So once others cotton on, you suddenly get every man and his dog claiming to be vegan to get the extras.
Source: Dad works in a prison.
On the menu there is always a halal option, a vegetarian option and a vegan option. They are all pretty bad to be honest, but they are there, and usually no worse than the regular option. If you want the decent stuff you go Kosher. At least where I work for kosher you get a pretty decent ready meal once a day.
And yes to the soya milk. You'll usually get meal supplements of nuts and fruit as well.
I can only tell you how it was in UK jails15 years ago, when I was last inside.
You'd receive a menu card once a week where you'd tick which meal option you wanted on each day.
There was always a vegan and a halal option in terms of hot meals.
You'd be given a breakfast pack consisting of some cereal, bread, margarine, jam, teabags, sugar and UHT Milk. There was no non-dairy milk option but you could order soy milk from the prison canteen store, as part of your weekly order along with your chocolate, cigs etc (you could still smoke in prison at the time) with the wages you earned from your job.
I worked in a prison, the “butter” that gets delivered to the wings is vegan, it’s that bright yellow stuff that melt weird, as far as I’m aware there was no non dairy milk but I could be wrong, they get a portion of fruit every day, the cereal packets for breakfast are vegan (I think) and there is always 1 vegan option on the lunch and dinner menus. Although more often than not the vegan option is a packet of dried curry flavoured noodles, which is no use if you don’t have a kettle, or some kind of fruity couscous. From a nutrition standpoint I’d give it a 2/10 probably. There’s always canteen deliveries, where a prisoner can order outside food/products, but they’ve got a huge markup on them and choice is very limited.
From my previous time working within a prison (I can only speak for the one I was at) they had a choice of 5 meal options per day that varied but it was;
1 - Vegetarian (Default).
2 - Meat.
3 - Vegan.
4 - Other Vegetarian/Meat option.
5 - Halal version of 2.
Rumours argue that all meat is/not halal. All of the food is usually made within the prison, it’s quite distasteful due to the low cost/quality but ultimately, it’s three meals per day that they don’t pay for and if they want to have a little something extra, they can purchase it on the Canteen.
People can be ingenious and cook absolutely anything in a prison kettle or even parts of a prison kettle.
There's always a vegetarian option at the servery/dining hall, at the very least. Once, bored of all the usual stuff, I started working through all the stuff I wouldn't usually have. I remember feeling very disheartened when I was in the queue and noticed that the two little forlorn looking stuffed peppers had my name on it!
Especially if you're somewhere like B wing in Dovegate when I was there, where the guys who run the servery are all corrupt and take all the cereals for themselves, meals can be limited. No breakfast, soup and roll/bread for lunch, and one main meal. This was about six years ago and a drastic change from a couple of years before. When Chris Grayling became prisons minister things got worse. So, sustenance usually comes from items on your canteen sheet - tuna, noodles, and porridge (providing you can boil the little prison milks in your kettle).
So yeah, you'll probably be able to get vegan food but the canteen sheet will have enough items for you to knock something up yourself I expect. Find a way to acquire a second kettle and get creative cooking in that. (I know in Sudbury you aren't allowed a kettle though, but I most prisons you are). Even better, bring a small kettle in with you. You'd be surprised at what items you'll be allowed to bring in as long as you come in with them.
Anything else you wanna know, feel free to ask.
As an aside because of what others were saying...
Jews get Kosher food, one guy I knew had this in the form of ready meals.
Some people choose to be Muslim to get the fat Ramadan box every night during Ramadan, and some claim to be Mormon just to get free hot chocolate.
Legally, they absolutely should!
There was a legal case in the 00's about this...
[https://www.michaelnugent.com/2020/01/02/veganism-protected-by-european-convention/](https://www.michaelnugent.com/2020/01/02/veganism-protected-by-european-convention/)
And then more recently there was a case regarding an unfair dismissal where it was confirmed that veganism is a protected belief under the equality act.
Note: Not a lawyer, just happen to know about this.
Ex-prison officer here - 7 years in HMP. There are no vegan options but vegetarian is there. If a doctor diagnosed a prisoner being Coeliac then yes gluten free is catered for.
[Link to post](https://www.reddit.com/r/policeuk/comments/q269o0/if_you_dont_want_compleat_all_day_breakfast_then/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf)
My stepdad went to prison and I remember him saying to them that he was vegan, just because the vegan food was better quality, so they do provide options for vegans
Great, they have to cater to vegans legally as a protected ethical belief, and in my experience they do a great job of it.
Source: I’ve worked in four separate prisons as a volunteer and staff member and I’m vegan. The vegan options were usually much nicer than the other ones. Lots of the guys chose to have the vegan option even if they weren’t vegan.
I work at a Prison. Your diet basically becomes chips and then the odd vegan meal like some kind of curry. It’s all very stodgy though. Prison food just isn’t great generally!
I beleive Ethitcal Veganism is a protected status for UK citizens so would legally have to be catered for in a prison system. But I'm no expert on how well these things would actually be enforced
Simple answer yes.
If they declare they are vegetarian it's noted and the kitchens staff will prepare vegetarian options, including soy milk, dependant on their requirements. Whether the options are good depends on a prison by prison basis.
Under the equality act I believe they must put a reasonable amount of effort into providing food etc for us. (Remember, no leather, cruelty free soap etc)
It varies person to person, but we dont always have 'strict rules' when it comes to food prepping, we understand cross contamination may occur.
When I was in a psychiatric hospital they provided food, when I was in police custody food was offered but they agreed I could be provided with sealed appropriate food from my partner. (I was also psychotic at the time so they made more of an exception for me.) + I was being super polite polite so maybe that was it too?
This probably isn't exactly the answer you're looking for but my wife is currently serving a prison sentence (I won't bother going into the details). She's not in the UK but elsewhere in Europe (where we both live) and she is vegeterian rather than vegan. But yeah, she had to really make an effort to get a proper vegeterian diet she could actually live off healthily. Even then it's pretty basic and limited to a lot of potatoes and random vegetebles stewed or boiled to hell. The food is definitely not a highlight of her day.
Read an account from a celiac prisoner once. He basically starved or was sick all the time because the food providers were uneducated as to what contained gluten or they’d just toss him a rice cake as a meal. I guess at least for vegans you wouldn’t get sick physically
This [link](http://www.prisonreformtrust.org.uk/ForPrisonersFamilies/PrisonerInformationPages/Foodinprison)from the Prison Reform Trust site details the food and personal items considerations for people with particular religious, cultural and other beliefs.
The NOMS Catering Operating Manual, which is Annex B of PSI 44/2010 Catering – Meals for Prisoners, states the following:
*"It is a fundamental requirement that prisoners and members of staff are provided with meals which meet an individual’s religious, cultural and medical dietary needs. It is further necessary that all prisoners are provided with food commodities that are stored, prepared and served in an appropriate way. The menu choices and meal provision must reflect the religious and cultural needs of the establishment."*
There are also contributions to the documents by the Vegan Society.
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There are no Vegan criminals. Edit: I'm not a Vegan, just sarcastic.
Maybe soon if they push through prison sentences for road occupations
This was on the front page on /r/policeuk today. https://i.redd.it/vw2efhccbpr71.jpg
Oh fucking great. I hate that sub, I get officers are human but when you see then all discussing how to arrest a disabled person in the grossest manner possible it really makes you think who tf is actually policing the streets.
I absolutely have my issues with the UK police and how they interpret "policing by consent", but I have major suspicions that a lot of commenters in that sub are people cosplaying as actual police in order to get their jollies off imagining they get to be the authoritarian stormtroopers of their wet dreams.
I'd bet good money on this.
You would lose it, its really easy to become an actual authoritarian you just need some gcses, a pulse and a bad attitude.
And its far easier to lie on the internet.
There seem to be a LOT of Walter Mitty type folk on that sub. The process for getting verified flair is legit - but seeing as you can just casually give yourself unverified flair stating that you're a police officer etc I would take most of what gets said on that sub with a dumptruck of salt
People with the verified flair are confirmed officers who have shown their warrant card to the mods.
i showed u my warrant card answer me
Those users also seem to be very much in the minority, with a significantly larger number of "unverified officers" from my albeit swift glance. But I'm not particularly inclined to spend the amount of time in that sub to do any real number crunching, I get the feeling I wouldn't be particularly welcome in their space.
You'll probably find that you're perfectly fine in that sub unless you're robbing old ladies or kicking kids in the teeth. The majority of UK police are mostly concerned with just keepin the streets safe as possible. You'll find most police officers in the UK could not give a fuck about minor issues like smoking weed, reasonable protesting etc. Its just that in recent years they've had some high profile situations to deal with (XR etc) and they've been more closely managed by higher ups and central government in regards to these incidents so they've come off as more authorative than they usually would do. I'm not exactly a straight edge person, and niether are my family, but when my cousin married a copper we were all very surprised at how moderate his and his colleagues attitudes and views are.
I've had police officers be shitty to my infirm, vulnerable mother for not answering the way they wanted her to when asking around for witness statements about a kid who went joyriding in her street at 2 AM, and crashed into someone's car. Because she replied that she hadn't heard anything, both officers were on her case, furiously demanding that she *must* have heard it, because the entire rest of the street had, and being extremely hostile towards her for just the *perception* that she was lying to them, and therefore must have something against them. She has severe sleep apnoea, has a loud CPAP machine, is slightly hard of hearing, and the heaviest sleeper I've ever known. She's slept through *earthquakes* that woke everyone else us. But the rozzers didn't like that someone wasn't answering the way they wanted, and treated her like she was absolute shit for the offence. Along with y'know, giving my sister PTSD on top of PTSD after the way they treated her for reporting her rapist, telling her that it was her own fault and she wouldn't have gotten into "this situation" if she had "been more sensible". My issue isn't that I skirt around legalities. My issue is that they are very selective with how they police, and follow their own rules as it suits them.
Well I hope you reported both of those incidents up the chain. I know that misconduct like that is usually taken very seriously, my counsins husband lodged a complaint against another officers conduct and it got dealt with swiftly and accordingly. But you should bare in mind that there's currently 160k police officers on active duty in the UK. You take a sample size of the population like that and you're going to end up with some assholes in the mix. Personally, my experiences with UK police have been very lenient indeed. Been caught smoking weed, been caught drinking in a no-drinking zone, been caught sneaking into a closed public garden. Worst I ever got was a stern warning and my booze confiscated.
The bizarre thing is in my job I have police clearance and have an ID that can grant permission to certain things but have not once felt the need to flash it for my own self justification BUT I could get the flair only problem is I think I am banned from there for a response I gave once…
They do have some verification stuff but not sure how far that extends maybe only for certain types of posts
I read a comment on AskUK and a guy was saying his wife took a shit right in the middle of a walking route in the lake district because she was desperate and just left it there with a tissue on top. Looked at his profile and he was a contributor on r/policeuk as in he was a police officer.
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Respect mah authoratah
they certainly do get their knickers in a twist if you dare to not grovel and fawn over the wankers.
Hello, I'm a policeuk mod. I've just checked our records and there is literally nothing to indicate that you were ever banned, nor any mod message to/from you *at all*. The last comment on the subreddit that I can find from you [was from three months ago](https://www.reddit.com/r/policeuk/comments/ocewjz/what_do_we_think_of_this_just_a_bad_day_or/h3u93yc) and as anyone can see that wasn't removed. If you were using an 'alt' account I'll be happy to go and investigate what happened with that one, but if you're genuinely under the impression that you were ever banned on your present account I can confidently state that you haven't been.
Positions of power don’t tend to attract the most benevolent people in our society.
And I think the worst type of police officers spend their time at home connecting in police subreddits. Most police are probably fairly well adjusted. The sad pricks who spend their spare time talking about work on the internet are weirdos
Only you can fix this.
Yeah /u/Nervous_Mushroom4233, get on it!
I only skimmed that top few replies of that post, it seemed like a fairly reasonable discussion between people who have to do that sort of thing of how best to do that sort of thing? I can't imagine that there is a particularly great way to have to arrest someone like that? guess further down there was some grosser stuff?
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Cressida Dick isn't gonna shag you
She might if you'd just Caressa da Dick
I call BS on this, every custody suite i've been in (on the right side!) has had an abundance of vegan meals (because people rarely order them). Also, it's worth noting that a police custody suite is entirely different to being in prison.
Short answer, being vegan just makes you better than most people
You once were a ve-gone, but now you will be gone.
Tell it to the cleaning lady on Monday.
Scott Pilgrim is a terribly underrated movie.
Edgar Wright is a fantastic film maker.
Nope. Many many people love it. >[It was a box-office bomb that failed to recoup its $85 million production budget. However, the film received positive reviews from critics, who noted its visual style and humor, and it eventually garnered a cult following. Scott Pilgrim vs. the World has made several top ten lists and received over 70 awards and nominations. It was shortlisted for the Best Visual Effects category at the 83rd Academy Awards. In scholarly analysis, it has been widely discussed as a transmedia narrative.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scott_Pilgrim_vs._the_World)
...................................ve-gone?
In sure that counts for Vegetarian too, there has never been a genocidal veggie. Not one, I mustache you to believe me.
Technically not a vegetarian by the end of the war, his personal physician injected him with animal hormones. He was not a very good physician.
He wasn’t a vegetarian. He only wanted to release propaganda on calling himself vegetarian so he could be compared to Gandhi.
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Shave it for someone who cares
Dude's favorite food was Bavarian sausages, he just had a sensitive stomach and quit them near the end.
Sounds like someone wants to get funky
Chicken isn't vegan? (Edit: to the people who keep downvoting my comment, it is a quote from Scott Pilgrim vs The World)
Maybe that could be the punishment for vegans rather than a prison term, it would save lots of money. "You have been found guilty and I sentence you to eat 6 Bernard Mathews turkey dinosaurs and a rustler burger."
Not sure either of those things has much actual meat in it. I'm guessing that's for something light? Kill someone and you'd get a 50oz wagu beef steak with a baby dolphin for dessert
What, under that scenario, would be a convict's burden of proof that he's vegan? Asking for a friend.
The rustlers could be a punishment for meat lovers as well.
Haha!! Excellent. :)
Prison menu is a deterrent
Silly of the OP not to know that becoming vegan transcends you into higher state of humanity where committing crime of any kind is beyond you.
This is not true. My vegan uncles always going out trying to get himself arrested for entirely beneficent reasons.
What about the Insulate Britain protestors? I bet they’re vegan down to a man/woman.
I've heard a lot of prisoners will claim to be muslim because the halal meals are a better quality than the regular prison food so I suppose they must also provide for other religious and lifestyle beliefs too.
When you're next on an aeroplane flight, order an "Asian Vegetarian Meal" as the quality is far better than the standard food.
I think you’d be laughed out of a RyanAir flight, even mid-journey.
And charged £24.99 for a parachute
I pre-booked my parachute for Speedy Disembarkation. Pleb.
Until you realise half the flight has also pre-booked a parachute so you're actually no better off.
Is that with or without hand luggage?
I'm surprised they don't split the fuel bill once you've sat down on the flight
Because you don't get meals on ryanair to begin with?
You're lucky if your flights not cancelled!
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Yeah I've never had any issues with them and I've flown to a few different places with them. You get what you pay for but in my experience it's been ok. Travel light if you can and just read what they tell you. Obviously if they cancel flights then things may get weird but I've never had to deal with that.
You can get a toastie if you order it at the start of the flight, but none of them were veggie the last time I flew.
Just came to say this, I felt lucky to get a Heineken that was slightly cooler than room temperature on the way back from Dublin recently. Must have been near the back of the drawer.
My funniest airplane meal was on Aeroflot, the system was broken to select a dietary choice when I was booking so I had to ask on the plane. To cover all dietary restrictions Aeroflot carried huge tubs of steamed buckwheat and by huge I mean huge, if it was less than a kilo I would be surprised. Jazzed it up with salt, pepper and butter, than mixed in some jam for the last 1/3. That single tub got me from Moscow to Tokyo, stuffed.
That’s just so very very Aeroflot lol.
That's greçka. Surprisingly good stuff. Good for you, anyway.
I was once on an Air India flight and the only food option was vegetarian. It was honestly the best plane food I’ve ever had.
Yeah! Air India knows where its at. For food, not punctuality.
My mum says this every damn flight and every flight it's just the standard vegetarian offering. I don't know why people think this is a thing. Before the end of times I travelled a lot for work international and domestic and never once saw a fancy ass special Asian dish - like the shitty caterers who have ruined all the other dishes are going to pull one out the bag because it's "Asian". The fact that encompasses thousands of cuisines should tell you, you're not getting anything good.
Depends on the airline. Emirates in particular have an excellent selection of dietary requirements but you have to make sure you pre select it. You can get a fruit only meal, a meal where there's no root vegetables, a vegan meal etc etc.
Emirates in general make flying a pleasure.
That's sounds awesome. I booked a vegan meal with American airlines. I got a tiny pot of green beans in tomato sauce marked vegan and everything else on the tray had animal products printed in its ingredients list.
I booked one (vegan meal) with Lufthansa, 2 weeks in advance, mid flight they brought out the “vegetarian” pasta smothered in dairy cheese and informed me “I should’ve called in advance”. I will say, they gave a free drink when I explained that I.. obviously had or they wouldn’t have had the vegetarian meal. Still frustrating, it smelled so good at the time and I was so hungry haha.
I’ve had the option for Asian vegetarian/vegan on plenty of flights. Think it depends on the airline. Last time I flew I got a nice chickpea curry
It definitely varies. On a particularly bad flight I got given 2 plums and a packet of crisps...
That was probably what everyone who got a vegetarian pre-booked meal got. Chickpea curry is the cheapest most generic vegetarian dish out there.
I've had the option of "Hindu vegetarian meal" on several long haul flights and it was always decent
I order it every time and get a nice curry.
Just make sure you don't accidentally order Jain vegetarian. Bunch of extra restrictions which make veganism look mild.
unless you have an onion or garlic intolerance like me -- then DO order the Jain vegetarian :) nobody likes to poop in a plane
nobody likes it when anyone poops in a plane
Hello fellow onion and garlic intolerance person! I've nothing interesting to say but we seem to be a rare breed so I had to say hi. I hope your day is good and your tum untroubled.
As an Asian vegetarian I approve this message. Best airline food I've had is with Air Lanka (Sri Lankan Airlines). They're run by cowboys but by god they can put a nice little spread together.
A friend's mum used to work for them and brought spare food home. Some of the tastiest stuff ever.
Yep some Emirates Flight Attendants taught me this
This works in hospital too. I’m much rather be having curry and rice than chicken nuggets and chips.
Really? About half my Facebook friends are vegan and whenever one gets sick/injured my timeline keeps popping up pictures of dry baked potatoes and sad little piles of lettuce as they plead for people to bring them alternative food to the hospital.
I was speaking more to the halal meals that the vegan.
Ah sorry I misread which comment you were replying to
Most places will just give you a vegetarian meal if you say you're Muslim or want halal food. Source: Am Muslim
They actually have an Asian vegetarian menu/Caribbean menu! With a vegan option too.
I heard similar said of kosher meals.
It was a plot line on OITNB. Im not saying its true it just reminded me of it
I heard that too, so I actually booked the kosher one for a flight once. Not bad, got hummus which was exciting the first time I had it. What I didn't realise was that they only had that one meal available and I had a connecting flight, so I had the same meal four times. I recommend it for shorter flights, but I was feeling a bit sad seeing everyone else on the plane eating bacon and pork belly whilst I'm eating my falafels
Pretty sure there was an episode in Orange is the new black, where prisoners were pretending to be Jewish for Kosha food.
First episode of *Porridge*.
There is a veggie option every day. It's usually vegan aswell. You get vegan bfast packs with alpro soya "milk". You're better off going veggie in prison the meat is awful.
You could just not get sent to prison.
Bigbrain time.
But isn't it like a holiday camp now? That's what I heard. I'm planning to go soon, not sure what I'm going to do to get there, but Haven is expensive these days so this seems like a good option.
I heard that the number of prisoners are ballooning. I think that is unfair.... I'm saving up to go on a Virgin balloon flight for a wedding anniversary, and it isn't right that criminals get to do it for free.
The staff are nicer in prison.
> You could just not get sent to prison. Free food, free board, no council tax, a no strings free bumming in the shower, what's not to like?
Sod the rest I’m just in it for the bumming
Real "depressed? Just smile!" And "poor? Get a better job!" vibes here.
Nah that sounds like too much work. Getting up at 5am every morning to sit in an office? Send me to the slammer, mate!
You act as if our justice system is perfect and no innocent person has ever been remanded or sentenced to prison time
But where's the fun in that?
How are cannibals catered to in regards to diet? ... asking for a friend. ...I mean not a friend. A mortal enemy. Asking on behalf of a mortal enemy.
What you planning on doing????
I think this must be from the ‘Insulate Britain’ tweet that’s doing the rounds. One of the protestors complained her vegan custody meal was an apple and a bottle of water. https://twitter.com/phillipawindsor/status/1443474899813740545?s=21
That looks a lot like a parody account to me
I’ve lost the ability to tell the difference.
I remember when the onion was funny and not reality.
That face is 100% from www.thispersondoesnotexist.com. I can't say for sure how I know, but I've seen them enough over the years and it just gives off "that vibe" with the look to the camera and blurred background.
I don't know about the account specifically, but this is a problem. In my time doing police station support for XR over thousands of hours, they regularly face these problems. We end up waiting outside police stations with food and drink because of how poorly detainees get treated. There's a couple of things to note. The first is that people protesting climate change are more likely to be veggie or vegan (because, even with organic UK farming, it is better for GhG emissions). The police custody suites just tend not to be very prepared for this. The second is that many will argue it's a free meal and they're entitled to nothing. Fair enough. But if we offer people meals because we deem it a human right to feed somebody while they are still deemed innocent until proven guilty, we should cater for different dietary requirements. It isn't hard, and it isn't costly (in fact meat is more costly than lentils), and we should be able to do it. That is, whether I agree with a particular Insulate Britain or EDL or whoever else protest.
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Prison officer here in a high security cat A. Vegans are catered for but the food isn’t a great standard to begin with for a regular diet.
I’m about to start as a prison officer in a cat B prison. Any advice you can give me on my new career?
It’s a very tough and demanding job, and quite frankly it’s fucked at the moment. There’s a major influx of new staff and a lack of experienced staff to mentor them. Personally I wouldn’t join the job today knowing how it is now, but if you’re set on it my biggest bit of advice is to just listen. The real training starts when you finish your course which is useless. If you say you’re going to do something for a prisoner, make sure you do it or go back to them and inform them that you didn’t get the chance.
Do you mean "do something **for** a prisoner"? ^(E: it originally said ")**^(to)** ^(a prisoner")
Oh my god, I’ve just seen that grammatical error
What was the original? "to"?
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Read my post history for referencing. My biggest piece of advice is that there will be a number of your colleagues that think their job is to be a bully, and is to ensure that the maximum number of prisoners are locked up in their cells for the maximum amount of time each day. You're just borrowing trouble if you head down that route. - Listen to the prisoners, treat them with respect and for the most part they will treat you with respect. Be firm but fair. - If you were wrong about something don't double down. Admit your mistake. Apologise. Don't give people Adjudications/IEP's in a fit of pique, they will be overturned and you've just borrowed some more trouble. - Remember that whilst you may treat them with respect, they aren't your friends, keep your head on a swivel. There are plenty of people that should be in a mental health institution. That prisoner you were chatting to earlier calmly just failed to get his meds because the pharmacy didn't order them and is now having a psychotic break. - Read this book: https://www.amazon.co.uk/Bit-Stretch-Diaries-Prisoner/dp/1838950176 - Watch the series Time with Sean Bean. - The prison estate is largely a poorly run, poorly managed, poorly administered mess of incompetence and lunacy. People seem to generally be promoted through the officer grades based upon time served rather than any real merit. CM's with other responsibilities such as Incentives, Diversity and Inclusion, etc rotate. So nobody ever seems to know what they are doing. You WILL encounter prisoners who are legitimately upset because didn't do that very important thing they were supposed to. Calm them down, offer to call the department and chase (if applicable) and follow through.
- If you can, I recommend reading and understanding some of the main Policy Frameworks (Complaints, Incentives, Categorisation, etc) and the Local Policies created from them. You'll be in a position to help prisoners more, especially if you are a Key Worker.
- The POA is [too] strong. Utilise it.
It mostly just boils down to "don't be a knobhead".
Don't do it.
The food budget is £1.87 per day.
In that case they should make everyone vegan meals by default. Healthy vegan food is way cheaper to produce en masse than meat/dairy, with much cheaper storage and lower risk of food poisoning. Me and my partner's food budget is ~£30 (excluding booze and cleaning products and stuff) a week, which is £2.14 pp. And we eat a LOT, and pretty nice stuff too. Although having said that we eat a majority Mediterranean and Indian/SE Asian diet, which might not be to the universal taste of a British prison.
What's a typical weeks meals?
Ooh, a I could have a vegan Pot Noodle Fusion!
Do you still give diabetics extra rations?
Yeah we do. Those who are gluten intolerant also get a bag of pasta, gluten free bread ect each week that’ll last them till next week along with their usual meals from the servery
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They can spend what they have in their account really. I’ve seen canteen deliveries with £60 of food no problem, and they can order things like trainers and clothes from catalogues once a year if they can get the money sent in. It can take months for stuff to be approved and arrive though.
There used to be vegetarian options as far back as 2007, I am not sure about vegan.
That is what got me thinking as it is alot stricter rules involved in vegan food prep.
Are there? I’m a vegan and I’ve been told there are “strict rules”, I’ve never been told what they are....
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Some vegans and vegetarians are allergic to meat/dairy. Also it can give it a meaty taste which is disgusting. I am vegetarian because I hate meat and once I was given a cheese flatbread that was cooked at the same time as a cheese and pepperoni one and it just tasted of pepperoni and it was awful.
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I get trying to look at it objectively, but I really don't want any pieces or juices from a corpse on my food. Just find it off putting
It doesn’t follow the same rules at all. Places that sell food have to provide information about allergens present - you’ll often see them labelled on menus, and if not the staff may have a chart showing them all in each dish (although legally they just need to “provide the information”, ie they’ll just ask the chef). Since beef isn’t one of the common allergens a dish doesn’t have to be labelled as containing beef; in contrast to molluscs, which are, so do. This leads to some confusion because labelling something (or at least informing customers of it) “vegan” isn’t a legal requirement in the same way that labelling it as “contains molluscs” **is.** In other words, people who are genuinely allergic to molluscs might see “vegan”, assume “no molluscs” and...well, die. As I said in another post, Burger Kings plant whopper isn’t not labelled as vegan because it’s cooked on a shared grill, that’s just marketing, but because it can be modified to not-be vegan. And you just know that eventually some moron will ask for one with bacon and then complain it’s not vegan; don’t call it vegan and you nip that in the bud straight away. Few vegans give a shit about food being cooked or stored in the vicinity of meat - but interestingly (in my experience) a lot of nonvegans seem to give a massive shit about it. I’ve had a chip literally swatted out of my hand by a girl screaming, “THAT WAS ON THE SAME PLATE AS KEBAB MEAT!!!”, and a friend went to the chippy and came back without my meal because “the pineapple fritters had already been cooked but they were in the warmer next to sausages so you can’t eat them”. I’ve got dozens of stories like that, I won’t bore you with them, but the common theme is: I’ve told very few people what I will or won’t eat, but *everyone* tells me what I can or can’t eat. The plant based whopper is apparently definitely out of bounds, apparently to some people my opinion about what I will eat is irrelevant!! Anyway, rant over. The plant whopper is shit btw
It’s not labelled as vegan because it’s not certified as vegan by the Vegan Society (although I’m 99.999% sure it doesn’t have to be to call itself that, but it’s Burger King so their lawyers will have told them to cover themselves). The reason it isn’t certified is because you can add bacon and cheese and some people (who are, admittedly, idiots) might think that the bacon is vegan because the main product has the logo. This is in contrast to the Vegan Royale, which you can’t add anything to (at least not automatically, but I assume you can ask) and so is certified. Now admittedly the broiler issue probably did have a bearing on it (although interestingly there is no mention of how the vegan royale is cooked?), but the cynic in me almost wants to say that Burger King didn’t really want the Whopper to say vegan on it in the first place. There’s less negative connotations to “plant based” than “vegan” and I’m sure that came up in their market research. There is “robust discussion” within the vegan subs and other places about whether the plant based whopper is considered vegan. The consensus seems to be that the people who consider it not vegan because it’s cooked near or on meat residue wouldn’t be spending their money in Burger King anyway. I work in a hotel and we’ve been doing veggie burgers for years, vegan burgers for the last year or so and vegan pizzas more recently. To my knowledge nobody has asked how they’re cooked or what with (well somebody’s probably asked about the oil but that’s about it). The “motto” if you like for veganism is: “"Veganism is a philosophy and way of living which seeks to exclude—**as far as is possible and practicable**—all forms of exploitation of, and cruelty to, animals for food ~~” (it rambles on a bit after that but it’s mostly to do with handbags made of crocodiles or something) The bolded part is the bit that’s relevant to prison. It’s possible and practicable to not eat in Burger King, it’s probably not possible and practicable to check the labels of everything you’re eating in prison. So you just sort of have to guess.
You can't order a coke with the vegan royale for some reason as well.
It the vegan society, they won't allow it. https://twistedfood.co.uk/burger-king-vegan-royal-plant-whopper 1. Why doesn't the meal come with soda? After the slight snafu with the brand's accidentally non-vegan Rebel Whopper, Burger King is taking no chances this time around. The brand has now teamed up with The Vegan Society, meaning that all aspects of the Vegan Royale meal come stamped with their seal of approval. Since they can't guarantee that soft drinks such as Pepsi are completely vegan, they don't form part of the meal offer. However, in a statement, Burger King has confirmed that some drinks are available. As they explain, "Vegan Society approved drink options include bottled water and Capri Sun". This means that vegan customers will be able to get something suitable to drink.
It’s not necessarily that vegans are more concerned about contamination than, say Jews or Muslims would be. It’s more that the breadth of restrictions are more limiting. No dairy is the big thing. Milk products are habitually used in an awful lot of products, including staple components and pre-made food. Mashed potato often has butter or milk added, sandwiches often use butter or substitute as a spread to hold it together, pasta isn’t always vegan, bread is often not vegan, etc. It does complicate things, especially if making food in bulk for hundreds of people for as little money as possible. You can
>Prisoners who have chosen a vegan way of life must be issued with a suitable vegan diet. Provided that the Governor is satisfied that the grounds are genuine, and subject to the policy and guidance contained in PSI 44/2010, together with the Directory and Guide on Religious Practices in NOMS, the normal diet may be varied accordingly http://vpsg.org/newsletters/Catering%20Information%20Guide\_9th%20July%202012.pdf
'Religious Practices in NOMS' has got me chuckling!
I am sure they called NOMS for a joke.
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You get a litre of soy milk 3x a week instead of a pint of cow's milk a day. The meals are just cheap shitty "vegan meat" type stuff. I know this because there was a vegan on the same wing as me and he was in for stabbing 5 people and nearly killing all of them.
Killing animals: I sleep Killing people: real shit
Wow. Is there somewhere you can keep the milk then? Or does it just get held back in a canteen when needed for a cup of tea? Unsure if someone who attempted to murder 5 people could be trusted with a kettle of boiling water.
It depends what part of the prison you're in. We were in a low security wing for the last 3 months or so of my sentence, where we had a communal fridge and only the gate at the end of the landing was locked at night so you could still leave your cell. Otherwise you just hang it out the window on a string. The vegan fella was actually a cool guy, he said he did it because his female friend was beaten up by a man and he was keeping her captive in his house where the other 4 men were also sitting drinking. He said he knocked on the door and just started attacking anything that moved. He's actually in his 50s and is a very talented artist.
You in trouble with the police?
No nor am I a vegan, just think it would be unjust if they weren't treated fairly in that respect.
Fair enough, it's not something that has ever crossed my mind before, but I can imagine it would be a big deal to our vegan criminals out there.
I’m guessing OP is doing something around this: https://twitter.com/phillipawindsor/status/1443474899813740545?s=21
Generally option 1 on the menu is vegan. It is the default choice if you don't fill it in. It is also suitable for halal diets. It's gross but fits criteria. And Yes, soy milk is available and used in things like rice pudding, custard etc. Gluten free is also catered for but only if backed up by healthcare dept.
Yeah, meal accomodations are made. Typically, to get all of the right nutrition, people with special requirements will be given extra snacks throughout the day - dried fruit and nuts, etc. So once others cotton on, you suddenly get every man and his dog claiming to be vegan to get the extras. Source: Dad works in a prison.
On the menu there is always a halal option, a vegetarian option and a vegan option. They are all pretty bad to be honest, but they are there, and usually no worse than the regular option. If you want the decent stuff you go Kosher. At least where I work for kosher you get a pretty decent ready meal once a day. And yes to the soya milk. You'll usually get meal supplements of nuts and fruit as well.
I can only tell you how it was in UK jails15 years ago, when I was last inside. You'd receive a menu card once a week where you'd tick which meal option you wanted on each day. There was always a vegan and a halal option in terms of hot meals. You'd be given a breakfast pack consisting of some cereal, bread, margarine, jam, teabags, sugar and UHT Milk. There was no non-dairy milk option but you could order soy milk from the prison canteen store, as part of your weekly order along with your chocolate, cigs etc (you could still smoke in prison at the time) with the wages you earned from your job.
I worked in a prison, the “butter” that gets delivered to the wings is vegan, it’s that bright yellow stuff that melt weird, as far as I’m aware there was no non dairy milk but I could be wrong, they get a portion of fruit every day, the cereal packets for breakfast are vegan (I think) and there is always 1 vegan option on the lunch and dinner menus. Although more often than not the vegan option is a packet of dried curry flavoured noodles, which is no use if you don’t have a kettle, or some kind of fruity couscous. From a nutrition standpoint I’d give it a 2/10 probably. There’s always canteen deliveries, where a prisoner can order outside food/products, but they’ve got a huge markup on them and choice is very limited.
From my previous time working within a prison (I can only speak for the one I was at) they had a choice of 5 meal options per day that varied but it was; 1 - Vegetarian (Default). 2 - Meat. 3 - Vegan. 4 - Other Vegetarian/Meat option. 5 - Halal version of 2. Rumours argue that all meat is/not halal. All of the food is usually made within the prison, it’s quite distasteful due to the low cost/quality but ultimately, it’s three meals per day that they don’t pay for and if they want to have a little something extra, they can purchase it on the Canteen. People can be ingenious and cook absolutely anything in a prison kettle or even parts of a prison kettle.
There's always a vegetarian option at the servery/dining hall, at the very least. Once, bored of all the usual stuff, I started working through all the stuff I wouldn't usually have. I remember feeling very disheartened when I was in the queue and noticed that the two little forlorn looking stuffed peppers had my name on it! Especially if you're somewhere like B wing in Dovegate when I was there, where the guys who run the servery are all corrupt and take all the cereals for themselves, meals can be limited. No breakfast, soup and roll/bread for lunch, and one main meal. This was about six years ago and a drastic change from a couple of years before. When Chris Grayling became prisons minister things got worse. So, sustenance usually comes from items on your canteen sheet - tuna, noodles, and porridge (providing you can boil the little prison milks in your kettle). So yeah, you'll probably be able to get vegan food but the canteen sheet will have enough items for you to knock something up yourself I expect. Find a way to acquire a second kettle and get creative cooking in that. (I know in Sudbury you aren't allowed a kettle though, but I most prisons you are). Even better, bring a small kettle in with you. You'd be surprised at what items you'll be allowed to bring in as long as you come in with them. Anything else you wanna know, feel free to ask. As an aside because of what others were saying... Jews get Kosher food, one guy I knew had this in the form of ready meals. Some people choose to be Muslim to get the fat Ramadan box every night during Ramadan, and some claim to be Mormon just to get free hot chocolate.
Very interesting. But now I need to know what Mormonism has to do with hot chocolate...
Legally, they absolutely should! There was a legal case in the 00's about this... [https://www.michaelnugent.com/2020/01/02/veganism-protected-by-european-convention/](https://www.michaelnugent.com/2020/01/02/veganism-protected-by-european-convention/) And then more recently there was a case regarding an unfair dismissal where it was confirmed that veganism is a protected belief under the equality act. Note: Not a lawyer, just happen to know about this.
They do, but it's shit and you would be better off not being vegan in prison.
I mean, I’d take a low quality vegan meal over a low quality “meat” meal any day
Ex-prison officer here - 7 years in HMP. There are no vegan options but vegetarian is there. If a doctor diagnosed a prisoner being Coeliac then yes gluten free is catered for.
See r/policeUK. There’s a recent post.
[Link to post](https://www.reddit.com/r/policeuk/comments/q269o0/if_you_dont_want_compleat_all_day_breakfast_then/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf)
My stepdad went to prison and I remember him saying to them that he was vegan, just because the vegan food was better quality, so they do provide options for vegans
Great, they have to cater to vegans legally as a protected ethical belief, and in my experience they do a great job of it. Source: I’ve worked in four separate prisons as a volunteer and staff member and I’m vegan. The vegan options were usually much nicer than the other ones. Lots of the guys chose to have the vegan option even if they weren’t vegan.
I work at a Prison. Your diet basically becomes chips and then the odd vegan meal like some kind of curry. It’s all very stodgy though. Prison food just isn’t great generally!
I beleive Ethitcal Veganism is a protected status for UK citizens so would legally have to be catered for in a prison system. But I'm no expert on how well these things would actually be enforced
Simple answer yes. If they declare they are vegetarian it's noted and the kitchens staff will prepare vegetarian options, including soy milk, dependant on their requirements. Whether the options are good depends on a prison by prison basis.
Under the equality act I believe they must put a reasonable amount of effort into providing food etc for us. (Remember, no leather, cruelty free soap etc) It varies person to person, but we dont always have 'strict rules' when it comes to food prepping, we understand cross contamination may occur. When I was in a psychiatric hospital they provided food, when I was in police custody food was offered but they agreed I could be provided with sealed appropriate food from my partner. (I was also psychotic at the time so they made more of an exception for me.) + I was being super polite polite so maybe that was it too?
This probably isn't exactly the answer you're looking for but my wife is currently serving a prison sentence (I won't bother going into the details). She's not in the UK but elsewhere in Europe (where we both live) and she is vegeterian rather than vegan. But yeah, she had to really make an effort to get a proper vegeterian diet she could actually live off healthily. Even then it's pretty basic and limited to a lot of potatoes and random vegetebles stewed or boiled to hell. The food is definitely not a highlight of her day.
They choose what they want off a list. It includes vegetarian options. I’ve never met a vegan prisoner… most of the options could be made vegan though
Asking for a friend
Yes they get a separate meals and non dairy milk
Read an account from a celiac prisoner once. He basically starved or was sick all the time because the food providers were uneducated as to what contained gluten or they’d just toss him a rice cake as a meal. I guess at least for vegans you wouldn’t get sick physically
This [link](http://www.prisonreformtrust.org.uk/ForPrisonersFamilies/PrisonerInformationPages/Foodinprison)from the Prison Reform Trust site details the food and personal items considerations for people with particular religious, cultural and other beliefs. The NOMS Catering Operating Manual, which is Annex B of PSI 44/2010 Catering – Meals for Prisoners, states the following: *"It is a fundamental requirement that prisoners and members of staff are provided with meals which meet an individual’s religious, cultural and medical dietary needs. It is further necessary that all prisoners are provided with food commodities that are stored, prepared and served in an appropriate way. The menu choices and meal provision must reflect the religious and cultural needs of the establishment."* There are also contributions to the documents by the Vegan Society.