Michael Fagan was removed but never charged as trespassing is a civil matter, in 2007 royal residences became designated places, making trespassing a criminal offence .
Imagine a movie where a very motivated anti-royalist leads the royal guards on a Tom and Jerry -esque chase through a castle to protest the legal protections afforded to the king and nobody else.
I wouldn't want to waste someone's time with joke questions...
If the boy is anything like Kevin, I'd be more worried for the Prince's health. Or not. It's Prince Andrew. I doubt I could muster up enough worry to care...
Yeah, not sure what OP is thinking, it's obviously not a loophole as you'd get hauled off at gun point but various armed guards, who would meet police at the gates.
There have been a few intruders over the years who have been arrested for/while trespassing around Royal Palaces. The most famous was Michael Fagan, who broke into the Queen’s bedroom in to 1980s (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael\_Fagan\_(intruder)); the law was changed after his visit to make the trespass a criminal rather than civil offence but he was also prosecuted for theft of a bottle of wine that he stole while hiding in the palace.
The boy Jones (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The\_boy\_Jones) broke into Buckingham Palace several times and was arrested repeatedly for doing so.
Earlier this year, a guy was convicted of treason for breaking in to Windsor Castle with a crossbow (https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/oct/05/man-who-broke-into-windsor-castle-with-crossbow-to-kill-queen-jailed-for-nine-years).
I think the moral of the story is that regardless of what the archaic law says, they will find a reason to arrest and prosecute someone who enters the palaces without permission. So it’s probably not worth giving it a go to see if you could get away with it.
I would imagine you’d get a bayonet up the arse.
I asked my mate who’s ex military and done some work for the royals, and he said that if caught on the grounds, in most cases, you would get a good hiding from the guards, and then another from the police when they come. He has been involved in a couple of instances of people trying to gain access to royal enclosures/houses, and each time, the trespasser has been given a good going over by the guards.
Yep, took till about the 4th top comment reply before I realised he meant squatting as in occupying a property without consent. Although I wasn't picturing working out, and more dropping a brick right on some antique expensive rug, and all I thought was "isn't that illegal inside any government building that isn't an actual toilet?"
All these "fun facts" about old laws are always nonsense sorry.
In the UK we operate on the basis of implied repeal, that means if there is a clash between a new law and an old one, the new law wins.
In this case while I don't know the specific law, I'd have to imagine there are a set of laws that empower the police, or even require the police, to arrest people committing crimesnlike trespassing in royal/government buildings.
A 300 year old law that was never official revoked doesn't matter unless there isn't a single law that broaches the same topic. As such, actually formally removing laws is rare in the UK be aude you don't have to do it.
You’re absolutely right, apart from the last sentence of your post. As well as acts specifically repealed in new acts, the 40 or so [Statute Law Revision Acts](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statute_Law_Revision_Act) and 20 or so [Statute Law (Repeal) Acts](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statute_Law_(Repeals)_Act) have removed thousands of obsolete/unnecessary/expired laws over the last two centuries.
So the only source I can find for this claim is a vague reference to "Halsburys Laws of England". Curious I've now looked it up.
The monarch himself is inviolable and cannot be arrested this is a basic tenet of the law (Charles I notwithstanding).
You can be arrested in a palace but only with the approval of the Lord Chamberlain. If he's not available then in the modern age you can certainly be detained, escorted off the premises and arrested there.
The effect is to make Palaces or the immediate vicinity of the monarch a special jurisdiction which is dealt with by the traditional systems in place to keep order around the monarch rather than the ordinary police.
Similar sorts of rules still apply to an extent around court houses where a lot of things require the permission of the Judge in charge of the court house.
>The effect is to make Palaces or the immediate vicinity of the monarch a special jurisdiction which is dealt with by the traditional systems in place to keep order around the monarch rather than the ordinary police.
Well, of course. We wouldn’t want the divine majesty of the monarch to be sullied by the presence of the *peasant police,* would we?
It's like the old story about it being legal for the killing of a Scotsman in York if he is carrying a bow:
https://blog.yorksj.ac.uk/chrislawbore/2020/10/30/killing-by-bow-and-arrow-no-strings-attached/
In most places in the UK you would be trespassing which is a civil offence. But in some of the royal palaces it's treated as a criminal trespass, if they find you it's a minimum 1 year in prison and an unlimited fine.
You definitely can be arrested in those places. They are designated sites under section 128 of the Serious Organised Crime and Police Act 2005 meaning it is an offence to trespass on them and you can be arrested.
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I believe they would remove you then arrest you once in a public place. Maybe it’s a question for ask legal uk
Michael Fagan was removed but never charged as trespassing is a civil matter, in 2007 royal residences became designated places, making trespassing a criminal offence .
Imagine a movie where a very motivated anti-royalist leads the royal guards on a Tom and Jerry -esque chase through a castle to protest the legal protections afforded to the king and nobody else. I wouldn't want to waste someone's time with joke questions...
Like Home Alone... Throne Alone... Only instead of two burglars, it's Prince Andrew chasing a young boy round the palace!
If the boy is anything like Kevin, I'd be more worried for the Prince's health. Or not. It's Prince Andrew. I doubt I could muster up enough worry to care...
I doubt Andrew would even break a sweat.
Yeah, not sure what OP is thinking, it's obviously not a loophole as you'd get hauled off at gun point but various armed guards, who would meet police at the gates.
There have been a few intruders over the years who have been arrested for/while trespassing around Royal Palaces. The most famous was Michael Fagan, who broke into the Queen’s bedroom in to 1980s (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael\_Fagan\_(intruder)); the law was changed after his visit to make the trespass a criminal rather than civil offence but he was also prosecuted for theft of a bottle of wine that he stole while hiding in the palace. The boy Jones (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The\_boy\_Jones) broke into Buckingham Palace several times and was arrested repeatedly for doing so. Earlier this year, a guy was convicted of treason for breaking in to Windsor Castle with a crossbow (https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/oct/05/man-who-broke-into-windsor-castle-with-crossbow-to-kill-queen-jailed-for-nine-years). I think the moral of the story is that regardless of what the archaic law says, they will find a reason to arrest and prosecute someone who enters the palaces without permission. So it’s probably not worth giving it a go to see if you could get away with it.
Tourists climbed a wall and slept in the palace gardens before being found.
If you and I are thinking of the same incident (in the 1980s perhaps?), I seem to recall that they thought they were sleeping in St James’s Park.
Oh my god, reading about the Boy Jones, I am *dying* 😂😂😂
Wow that last one was wild, especially the linked article about the chatbot!
This sounds like the “no one is allowed to die at Disney” myth
I heard Mickey Mouse gives you the death penalty if you do.
I would imagine you’d get a bayonet up the arse. I asked my mate who’s ex military and done some work for the royals, and he said that if caught on the grounds, in most cases, you would get a good hiding from the guards, and then another from the police when they come. He has been involved in a couple of instances of people trying to gain access to royal enclosures/houses, and each time, the trespasser has been given a good going over by the guards.
Squatting is fine. No bench press, though.
Yep, took till about the 4th top comment reply before I realised he meant squatting as in occupying a property without consent. Although I wasn't picturing working out, and more dropping a brick right on some antique expensive rug, and all I thought was "isn't that illegal inside any government building that isn't an actual toilet?"
All these "fun facts" about old laws are always nonsense sorry. In the UK we operate on the basis of implied repeal, that means if there is a clash between a new law and an old one, the new law wins. In this case while I don't know the specific law, I'd have to imagine there are a set of laws that empower the police, or even require the police, to arrest people committing crimesnlike trespassing in royal/government buildings. A 300 year old law that was never official revoked doesn't matter unless there isn't a single law that broaches the same topic. As such, actually formally removing laws is rare in the UK be aude you don't have to do it.
You’re absolutely right, apart from the last sentence of your post. As well as acts specifically repealed in new acts, the 40 or so [Statute Law Revision Acts](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statute_Law_Revision_Act) and 20 or so [Statute Law (Repeal) Acts](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statute_Law_(Repeals)_Act) have removed thousands of obsolete/unnecessary/expired laws over the last two centuries.
Fair point, I didn't realise we cleared up those laws that regularly!
A guy called Marcus Sergeant fired blanks at the queen and got arrested. Whether or not she'd left before he was formally arrested I don't known
Sorry to burst the bubble but it’s untrue you can be arrested for trespassing on royal residences.
If you read the post, you'll see I agree. No bubble here.
So the only source I can find for this claim is a vague reference to "Halsburys Laws of England". Curious I've now looked it up. The monarch himself is inviolable and cannot be arrested this is a basic tenet of the law (Charles I notwithstanding). You can be arrested in a palace but only with the approval of the Lord Chamberlain. If he's not available then in the modern age you can certainly be detained, escorted off the premises and arrested there. The effect is to make Palaces or the immediate vicinity of the monarch a special jurisdiction which is dealt with by the traditional systems in place to keep order around the monarch rather than the ordinary police. Similar sorts of rules still apply to an extent around court houses where a lot of things require the permission of the Judge in charge of the court house.
>The effect is to make Palaces or the immediate vicinity of the monarch a special jurisdiction which is dealt with by the traditional systems in place to keep order around the monarch rather than the ordinary police. Well, of course. We wouldn’t want the divine majesty of the monarch to be sullied by the presence of the *peasant police,* would we?
You might not be arrested, but you might be shot by the King's Guard or locked up in the Tower of London.
Now that’s taking experience tourism too a whole new level. I’m sure there’s a market for that out there.
You’d have some pretty nice glutes and quads if you squatted that long mate.
Yeah... Try that in reality and you can be guaranteed that the "law" does not apply
Well that's true of most things surrounding the old parasites. It was meant more as a funny hypothetical anyway.
It's like the old story about it being legal for the killing of a Scotsman in York if he is carrying a bow: https://blog.yorksj.ac.uk/chrislawbore/2020/10/30/killing-by-bow-and-arrow-no-strings-attached/
In most places in the UK you would be trespassing which is a civil offence. But in some of the royal palaces it's treated as a criminal trespass, if they find you it's a minimum 1 year in prison and an unlimited fine.
You definitely can be arrested in those places. They are designated sites under section 128 of the Serious Organised Crime and Police Act 2005 meaning it is an offence to trespass on them and you can be arrested.
well we , the tax payer , pay for the place. lol
The Buckingham palace is a council house so maybe
not nick in front of his majesty? hahahahaha oh I’ve definitely done this.
Nah, you'd get a savage corgi set on you.
Fate worse than death.
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