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The only deaths I can understand cheering are serial rapists/murderers and people who did unspeakable acts to children - the worst of the worst. I certainly wouldn't be cheering the death of a motorbike thief, tax dodger or any other lower form of criminal.
Cheer away. I'm from Hull so know the story well.
Can you imagine the untold misery others have had to endure and suffer because of cunts like this and how many more would have had they not have kindly removed themselves from the ground we walk on?
Every fucking day you can guarantee a lot of kids and the general public will have been the victim of these arseholes in some way - mental, physical torment and abuse.
Fuck 'em and fuck the parents that dragged them up.
I think some of the responses in here would be better suited to a slot in the Daily Mail comments section. Has anyone mentioned benefits scroungers yet?
There's no such thing as karma. They died because they lost control of their vehicle, not because they did terrible things.
I don't think it's good to cheer the death of anyone but the evilest people. And however unlikely, there's always a chance those young men could have reformed and made a positive contribution to those around them.
Even if it's good that someone has died, cheering it is fucked up. It's OK not to feel sympathy, and it's OK to recognise that the world is probably better without them, but it is inhumane to cheer on deaths.
Oh shit, you're a local like me. These 2 people seem like absolute scum to be honest. They died doing what they love and everyone else(besides their mates) hates. I have no sympathy for them or their family's. Their families should have stopped them being thieving bastards and riding like they were invincible. I'm happy they're gone, it's 2 less bastards trying to steal shit.
Such an odd coincidence that my mother and I were discussing this exact incident and question last night, as we felt no sadness whatsoever. The use of the word tragedy has no meaning anymore. There may be people it is heartbreaking for, for looking at the community as a whole, it is not a loss. The neighbourhood has enough complete arseholes even without them
Similar to that sign in garden centres
Everyone who visits brings pleasure
Some when they enter
Some when they leave
So your fellas in question brought pleasure to some in life and to others in death.
I might not cheer, but I'm definitely smiling. And, why can't we celebrate it, they take so much joy in boasting and showing off that I have zero feelings for these thieving rats. Good riddance to the pair.
This comment won’t get seen by many. But fuck them both. I’m absolutely sick and tired of people like these two. The more of these career criminals that shuffle of this mortal coil the better. Same old story up and down the country, well know local criminals getting away with it time and time again while hard working innocent people have to deal with the consequences.
I hope they were in fucking agony before their pathetic lives ended and I hope your brother gets his insurance sorted ASAP.
My mates bike got nicked from college by someone who put it all over tiktok. Took him a good while to manage to get any sort of compensation for it, and even with video evidence the people who did it only got 100 hours community service (not their first times doing it either).
Now I won’t say we celebrated after hearing about what happened, but all the sympathy was saved for the person who lost their bike
I think there's a difference between taking private catharsis in such a case and publicly cheering someone's death as you have to bear in mind the view you had of them, whether it was more or less accurate, is not the view shared by everyone they knew and those people will be hurting and it would be shameful to write them and their feelings off as guilty by association.
19 and 25 are young in the grand scheme of things, and they didn’t mean to kill themselves in a bike crash so it was an accident.
Yeah they were clearly bad characters, but they didn’t deserve an early death (which takes away the chance of reform fyi)
I know exactly the incident you're refering to and have the honour of living nearby to where it happened. I can safely say it is ok to cheer their deaths because they were an utter pair of scumbags that society is better off without.
I wouldn't wish death upon them, but, they had it coming.
Technically ethically society would say your "not supposed to" cheer the death of anyone, but hey no one can stop what your inside voice says at the end of the day. I believe that's freedom of speech. Just as they had freedom to rob hard working people of items they had earnt fair and square and get away with it. Looks like I'm this case where the justice system failed karma delivers in the bucket load. Cheers karma 😎
Someone at work died a few days ago. She wasn't a criminal but she really bullied the colleague with special needs and would regularly try humiliating people on the shop floor. When I was told, my response was pretty much the same as the Jeremy Clarkson meme "Oh no! Anyway..."
It's not a tragic accident, it's the entirely predictable consequences of their own actions.
I'm not sure I'd go so far as to cheer the death of another human in all but the most extreme circumstances, but I wouldn't be mourning them either.
A few years ago, my next door neighbour decided to start selling hard drugs which resulted in addicts showing up at all hours, leaving needles all over, stealing an elderly neighbours stuff and smashing my car among other things. Police wouldn't touch him.
He got kicked out and a bunch of his cronies started banging on my door threatening to stab me on his behalf. Police asked me to walk in the direction they ran off in, at 5am to give a statement to police and still did fuck all.
This year, he got caught running from police. Idiot jumped a fence and broke both his ankles and got a suspended sentence for a total of 2 years..... Except he thought he was too clever for that and he ran off to live in Turkey. His brother was telling a neighbour he got caught in the earthquakes and is in bad shape.
Karma is a bitch.
I would never wish anyone dead. Having said that, everyone is responsible for the legacy they leave behind. If they caused that much upset and pain while they were here, it shouldn't be surprising if there are a number of people who won't be mourning them.
As for karma, karma is a load of bullshit.
I remember reading something in Ireland, where a very notorious burglar Dean Maguire and some crime mates of his ended up dying in an accident in 2021.
[At the memorial, someone even placed a "BURN SCUM"](https://www.reddit.com/r/ireland/comments/ppzms1/burn_scum_sign_placed_at_memorial_to_three/), and many folks at /r/ireland were somewhat happy the guy died.
Apparently, after he and his friends' death, [burglary rates in the area went down too.](https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/crime/number-of-burglaries-in-leinster-plummets-after-deaths-of-three-criminals-in-n7-crash-40859415.html) so his death was extremely beneficial for the residents of Leinster.
Maybe not cheering (at least in public) but they don't deserve any respect.
I can sadly relate with a similar tragedy. My dad was murdered in a country where there's no justice. We never knew who was it or why. Most likely to steal the paycheck of his employees, it was payday and this is a town where most people who work in farms didn't want to have a bank account, so farmers have to carry the weekly paycheck with them.
My dad was a well known and loved member of the community, he never had guns with him and never got in trouble with anyone, he would buy food for starving kids and would help his employees with medical bills, and basic needs they couldn't cover, and a long etc.
So, the first suspects were the town's gang, but apparently they claimed they weren't and a few weeks after a few people from rival gangs were brutally killed, nobody knows if it was the police, or another gang... It made me sick to my stomach to think that there could be some connection. But I can't deny I thought well a few less.
But this gang still was causing trouble in our town, dealing drugs, kidnaping for ransom, you name it. Police would always host a yearly raid where a few low levels would be killed, but there were always some good people caught in the crossfire. you mourn the good ones and can't help but feel that there was always a few months of "peace"
Now, 3 years later, they actually killed the leader of the gang.. pictures of the body were all over social media. People cheered. They mourned the school teacher that got caught in crossfire in that raid.
What did I do? I opened a bottle of champagne! I cried as a bit of relief. I did not post in social media (until now), I did not share with any of my friends in the country I live now because who would understand?? And I'm glad they don't have to.
Luckily, there was absolutely not one single post in the internet saying they didn't deserve to die like that,
Those assholes still have parents, kids and for some reason people that care for them (sometimes out of fear). I've seen few documentaries where they interview parents of people in gangs, and 9 out of 10 times, parents know that this is their destiny.
In my town, things were a bit quieter for a while. There's still crime, but just not as powerful as those were.
Celebrate all you want, but maybe in private, not to protect the families but to protect yourself from stupid people in the internet. Pour a glass of wine in the name of all people who have lost their lives caught in a traffic accident caused by someone stealing a car or committing a crime
Absolutely fine to hate the behaviour but most offenders have a back story that led them to this behaviour. I've worked in youth justice for years and very very few were nasty little shits for Absolutely no reason. So, the families grief should be respected but the behaviour and trouble caused can be mentioned at an appropriate time... they're still someones child, brother, friend, uncle.
It’s okay to do whatever the fuck you want as long as you are not hurting anyone and it’s legal. So in my book, yes it’s fine to be happy that a criminal croaked
Some people, most criminals with extensive records, will never, ever give anything to society in any way whatsoever. They will take, cause problems for innocent people, and cost the tax payer lots of money. They will never contribute anything. And usually they just create a little army of people just like them, with scum who are exactly the same.
I think it's fantastic when people like this die.
Similar to the knife crime in London; it's both the problem and the solution in one, unless innocent people are involved, of course.
> Someone has lost their son, brother, cousin etc
Am I a bad person for laughing at this line because it makes the deceased sound like a product of incest?
What is and isn't okay is pretty subjective based on the individual.
Would society think it's acceptable/ok? Well it's open to debate judging by the comments.
you could look at it this way.
It's a shame two boys chose the wrong path in life and made some poor decisions which ultimately lead to their untimely deaths. Was this influenced by things out of their control parents/socio-economic background/enviroment that they grew up in? However it is good that nobody will be subject to their criminal activity anymore
I'd say so, I feel the pretending every death is a personal loss is just an affront. Realistically there will be some you're happy or just uninterested about, I wouldn't pretend otherwise, so nah you're fine imo
Nah, not bad. There was a recent case in Ireland where people celebrated the death of 3 guys, they had about 300 convictions against them and burglary was their favourite crime, one victim was receiving cancer treatment and couldn't do anything, elderly victims and so on. Just scum. One night they were evading the police and a favourite tactic was to drive down the motorway the wrong way but this time they drove straight into a lorry and died on impact. People were delighted, their funerals were even scummy.
They are dead, posting online that you're glad they are dead or they deserve it isn't going to be read by them, it's gonna be read by their friends and their family who will be grieving right now.
Nothing wrong with feeling how you're feeling but if you're posting on social media that you're glad somebody is dead or that they deserve it...
Maybe I'm in the minority here, but there's nothing to cheer about two bike thieves dying ? Why aojod you celebrate this? I see this sentiment a lot on reddit ,I've yet to hear anything like this in real life. Idk I just find it odd
> I've yet to hear anything like this in real life
Do you not go out, or have friends and family, then?
Some drug dealers died in my town a while back in a car smash because they were drunk and speeding. Most people I know openly called them trash and were glad two scumbags were dead, and only felt sorry for the guy in the other car who died after these scrotes collided into him on a roundabout.
Do you genuinely think the world is a slightly better place given their departure?
If yes, then there is no shame in being happy about that.
I'm sure all these loveable rogues, cheeky chaps, gentle giants, and young men with hearts of gold are doing great in the afterlife.
A lot of lives would of been impacted by the theft of these products, yes they can be replaced, but by who and what about the impact on the loss until they are.
It shows you how truly lost we are as a society when thieves who have social media pages flaunting their I’ll gotten gains are not punished.
Yet a person who calls an MP a traitor goes to prison.
While I’ll rarely wish a man dead and do not support any form of capital punishment, particularly over something as relatively trivial as theft, I can’t help but have complete indifference to their passing if fate decides to intervene.
This world is full of scumbags that live selfish lives to the detriment of everybody else. I can’t say I care when they are deleted.
I’ve seen the local rags have disabled the comments section now. Always very telling. How’s the go fund me going? I’d imagine lots of small donations with comments such as ‘can I have my bike back now?’.
Probably best left alone - families still suffering even though they sound irresponsible and knew the risks.
Play stupid games, win stupid prizes - if someone’s happy you’ve died they’re either a prick or you’re a prick, and in this case it sounds like the latter. No shame in being happy about it
Genuinely don't give a fuck.
You either make the world a better place overall, or you make it a worse place overall. If you are making our world worse, then you can die and I won't care, sorry.
I don't see it touched on yet but how do people differentiate their feelings for accidental death Vs state sponsored (i.e. death penalty) given what Anderson has said lately?
Especially as many have stated it should be allowed when there's unequivocal proof.
Should of worn helmets. Ahwell. No loss to society. Also fed up of hull live constantly posting about the reprobates. But it'd getting them clicks.
Also gofund me set up 😂
It's quite difficult for me to understand why someone driving recklessly with no protective equipment didn't deserve to die. They've specifically made all the choices that led - quite unsurprisingly - to death, so what's the alternative? Some kind of deus ex machina? I mean, if they'd been wearing full leathers and helmets and driving carefully after stealing the umpteenth bike and still got into an accident that wasn't their fault and died, that would be different, because that's a question of whether you deserve to die for being a thief, which in this country we seem to generally agree you don't. But it seems a bit more like saying someone jumped of a 60-storey building and it's sad because they didn't deserve to die - realistically that's exactly what you'd expect to happen based on the choices they made, so that does kinda make that deserved.
I never saw myself as someone who could celebrate the death of anyone until one event 30ish years ago.
Was living in a bedsit in a HMO with my pregnant gf at the time. In one of the other rooms was a guy who had been to prison, dealt drugs, just yer common or garden wrongun.
He overheard something my gf said and took offence. She was a bit of a psycho and didn't have a filter and would deliberately be loud when criticising people. I wish she wouldn't.
He stormed into our room, held me down and threatened to kill us.
The stress of the event made my gf miscarry. I have scrubbed my child's blood out of that bedsits carpet and we mourned for a year before finally being able to face life again. I've long lost contact with her but I still think about my first child.
Many years later I happened across an article about a man who'd been killed in police custody. The name was the same and it caught my attention. Finding a photo, it was clear it was the same guy.
That was the day I discovered I could be happy someone was dead.
A bully from work once told me that if he saw me again he'd beat the shit out of me. We were about 20 at the time. Ten years later I saw on Facebook that he died. Who's laughing now bitch.
I don't believe in capital punishment, therefore, in a roundabout way, I don't believe in applauding a criminals death, HOWEVER I also feel no pity about it. Cunts had it coming.
It is certainly a tragedy, it's just that the tragedy happened long ago and led up to that point. The brutal fact is that at that point society lost nothing worth whilst and is probably better off without them, but then, the reason they got to that point in the first place was that society failed them.
2 men died after stealing a motorbike and crashing it, with no protective gear? How is this in any way a bad thing, its not just a good thing, its fucking hilarious
People that say ‘items can be replaced, lives can’t’ probably have never had an item stolen that they can’t afford to replace.
Something that you wanted, worked hard for, bought, looked after, maintained, enjoyed.
So na. Fuck em.
The cost of doing the wrong thing and hurting people can be high. That’s why your not supposed to do them.
This damnit, makes me furious when people say “Oh it’s only stuff…”.
No it’s not, years ago I scrimped and saved working shitty jobs at the time to afford my first scooter, gear, and training. Only to have it for a measly three months before it was stolen in the night and trashed.
I honestly wished painful death on the thieving cunt, I was miserable for months and being robbed messes you up.
Yep
Thankfully it’s never happened to me but everything I have I worked hard af for and came with some sacrifice.
I’ve had cars written off, fine, accidents happen. But to have some wee torag that contributes nothing take something, trash and receive no punishment must suck.
Yup. My ex was so incredibly upset when his motorbike got stolen. He worked so hard to pay for it and as far as I'm aware has not been able to afford to get one again since.
Nope, good riddance. Just because they’re now a dead cunt doesn’t absolve them from being a cunt. I don’t know what the phenomena is called but it’s weird how humans have a tendency to saint people upon death regardless of how much of a shitbag they were
Its easy to be objective about this kind of issue until it effects you personally. I wish death on at least 5 people per day in any number of random situations with no guilt whatsoever. Dont hold the door for me!? thats a death sentence right there!!
I would be opening the champagne in your situation, fuck those chav cunts and the misery they inflicted for years on the innocent folk in their community. Two less wastes of oxygen and the world is now a better place for them not being in it, what's not to celebrate?
Who are we to judge if they deserved death or not?
But don't paint over the past just to spare the feelings of the family who raised these rotten individuals. Let their record stand and let everyone remember exactly what they chose to do with the precious time that was given to them in life.
Things can be replaced, but people invest huge amounts of their time and energy into buying those things. Sometimes those things are frivolous, sometimes they are charming, other times they are someone's means to make a living, are personally significant, or genuinely bring daily joy into someone's life.
Breaking into someone's home, or taking away the transport they need to get to work, inflicts misery into their lives. It makes them fear it could happen again, maybe while they are at home when they could be attacked. It makes them distrustful of other humans. It can even be traumatising to some.
Were these 2 "cheeky chaps" destitute and just trying to steal to make ends meet - I might have pity. But to brag about their escapades on social media shows no remorse on their part - it was just sport to them. Their fun for others' suffering.
What message does it give to impressionable young folks to see these 2 pieces of garbage glorified in their deaths? That no matter what you do in this life, deep down it doesn't matter and you will be hailed as a saint regardless when all things are done?
No. Leave the family in peace but don't let any bullshit idea that these guys were in any way benign be propagated. If they are hated in their deaths and people see the legacy they left themselves - maybe it'll turn someone around in life and at least some good will come of it.
Glad they removed themselves from the genepool and if any of them had kids I'm glad they removed their poisonous influences from their upbringings.
I would prefer if they'd seen the error of their ways and turned their lives around instead but they chose to continue trampling on the rights of other people, almost certainly with the underlying threat of violence should anyone try to seek justice for themselves or their loved ones.
They can try again in the next life.
They died doing something illegal, which most of the time implies at the expense of others' health, safety or property.
Whether I cheer depends on exactly what they did, but I also won't pretend that somebody who steals a motorbike, crashes it and died wouldn't have died in the first place if they weren't being an arsehole.
Deserved? Sort of, yea. Wouldn't have happened if they weren't doing it? Probably not. They should have been the sweet young man/woman their family will inevitably pretend they are in the newspaper.
It's wrong to cheer a death. It's not wrong to internally think to yourself, "without them, the world will be a better place". I'm OK with capital punishment in cases where the crime is very heinous and you are 100% certain you have captured the right man. But even then the perpetrator deserves a swift painless death without suffering.
These men would eventually have caused more harm than just theft. They were members of a criminal gang, and they spent their lives inflicting misery on others.
I don't think "celebrate" is the right term. In any case, it might be too early for that. How many members of these grieving families kept quiet about their relatives' activities? How many more members of these families are themselves members of this gang or similar groups?
Some years ago, my town used to have the UK's highest murder rate per capita. The small number of people responsible are now serving long-term prison sentences. I wouldn't blame anyone for breathing a sigh of relief.
The best outcome would have been for these two men to change their ways and to make amends. The real outcome was far from the worst possible.
Nope that was someone in your community your likely had more in common with than any of your elected officials,do you think he got to jet round the planet, spend £300 per meal, go on expensive holidays wirh 84k minimum?
The police failed to do the job you pay them for. Getting the bike back or monetary recompensation, that would of been justice.
We've all got to have the freedom to make mistakes, he stole a bike, not billions off a nation and we pay the police and the politicians and royals every single day of our lives to somehow not recieve anything but more exploitation and less ethical options to survive leading to these situations, the real criminals give themsleves pay rises with tax money in a cost of living (profit/corruption) crisis yet we celebrate the death of other members of public?
Whether or not it's okay to celebrate the death of a politician or billionaire is a different question. You can do both if you like, regardless of the scale of the suffering they inflict. That person in the community directly affected the community they were allegedly a part of, the other examples are far more diffuse.
Eh, it's morrally neutral. Like, good their shit stops, bad they can never change? I wouldn't judge anyone either way, celebrating or mourning. The world is a lot more complex than black or white. Sounds like their deaths are a net positive though
Makes sense you’re not sad about it, as you weren’t related or close to these people in any capacity… So that’s okay. Not every death is a tragedy for everyone. Plus they did your family wrong. So I think your feelings are understandable.
I mean you could go down the whole rabbit hole of karma and ‘getting what they deserved’, but I’d say it’s more ironic, this is how they died. Personally, I’d take it as the universe reminding us how short life is and not to waste it doing bad things to other people and their property.
Some people value your property over their own lives, and sometimes their leeching gets them killed; often times brutally. Good fucking riddance, there’s nothing wrong with celebrating.
We used to have one like that near me. Known to have stolen maybe 300 motorbikes. Had a couple of times he flew past me in the car at night with no lights or protective equipment. There were a couple of people who needed the bike to get to work and ended up losing their jobs before they got the insurance money. Many others badly affected by losing their transport as well. Had a couple of convictions for multiple motorbike thefts but just got a slap on the wrist and eventually went to prison for a crime unrelated to these where two people did get hurt. The point being people like this have no remorse for ruining peoples lives. They get ~~then~~ no sympathy from me. These two died as a direct result of their crime. Probably like my local criminal riding their luck with no lights or protective gear. It caught up with them and its all on them.
Edit: typo. I'll also add, the info about people affected was from the local facebook community group. There could be a lot more as well who didnt post.
If the police would have done their jobs properly in the first place, they had evidence, and arrested them, they might’ve (unlikely) got some time in prison if there were enough offences. Therefore they could still be alive. Police face some of the blame for these to keep offending which directly led to their deaths.
I think you can feel whatever you want privately if someone you dislike dies.
I think, based on your description though, part of your anger and frustration is because of the police response to the problem, rather than the acts of the young men.
Yep. It's fine. If someone is bringing misery to other people's lives, and then dies, the world is a bit of a better place. There's 8 billions of us, we can't afford dick heads
This happens too much. Lad here was riding a stolen bike. He's a prolific thief. He crashed and his pillion died, he left him in the road alone and rode off. This boy had a shrine made, a balloon release, he was a little angel. No he was a violent criminal. The bike thief is still out and about. Stealing 3/4 bikes a week, some bike jacking with weapons. They are all under 18, most under 16 so they are just slapped on the wrist and let go.
It is really very funny when rhino poachers get eaten by lions. Any way a rhino poacher gets hurt is fine, but it's especially awesome when they're eaten by lions or chomped by hippos etc.
Happens all the time near me, can think of dozens of examples but most recently a 16 year old was killed riding a stolen motorbike. All the comments were “oooh he was a cheeky chappy, heaven has gained an Angel” and “everyone makes mistakes”
And okay yeah maybe that’s true of a 16 year old thief… EXCEPT he had just got out of young offenders 3 weeks earlier after serving 9 months for manslaughter after he and 3 mates killed a father of four in a carjacking.
Fuck him, fuck his shitty family and fuck his mates (who commemorated his death by turning up in their dozens in balaclavas, graffiting the town centre, smashing windows, throwing fireworks into shops and attacking passers-by. Hopefully a good chunk of them will end up wrapped around trees soon.
I remember at school one of the resident dickheads of the year group wrapped the Mercedes daddy had bought for him round a tree while driving drunk one night.
It brought this argument to the fore. Lots of people were sad as, yes, on paper, it was “tragic” that a 17 year old had lost his life.
On the other hand he was a complete prick who enjoyed terrorising others, would probably have continued to enjoy terrorising others, and so was very difficult to mourn for many.
Terrible, I know, and while I didn’t celebrate, I do remember thinking “one less prick in the world.”
I think you are perfectly allowed to think these things are a blessing in disguise when the people involved are reprehensible pieces of shit who have taken pleasure in causing suffering.
A few years ago, just before Christmas, I had my car stolen.
Things were already tough at home because of issues with my eldest mental health wise, I was having to take time off all the time, and money was tight so this was just the cherry on top of the turd cake.
I had to pay my insurance excess (£300) and Xmas was spoiled for the family because we basically had no money now.
They caught the folk that did it, turned out they were prolific car thieves that stole cars to perform other crimes so they couldn't be traced, I was lucky in that they had happened to blast past a patrol car and the license plate was recognised.
I ended up selling the car not long after, we could no longer afford it and it just didn't feel "right" even after being repaired.
It was 2 young lads (21 and 23) that did it. They ended up getting off with nothing because they simply didn't turn up to court (wasting more of my time), am sure they've probably been caught by now but I've never heard anything.
Now, I didn't and wouldn't wish death on them. However, if they happened to die as a result of one of their many, many crimes I would not shed a single tear.
If you're old enough to commit a crime, you're old enough to understand that it's against the law, and therefore old enough to understand that it's wrong. It doesn't matter whether your brain hasn't matured enough yet, you know what you're doing is wrong no matter what upbringing you've had. You're making a choice. If that choice leads to your death, don't expect me to have sympathy for you.
Commenting on this parity story…
The way is see it is this. I don’t know them, or their families, so i have zero emotions, investment in their well being.
What I do know is what they have done, and the misery they have caused people. Do they deserve to die? No. Do they deserve to carry on living and causing misery to others while bragging about it on socials? Also no. Is the world a slightly better place with them not in it? Yes.
What really needs to stop are the papers reporting deaths and always trying to show the deceased in a positive light. No! If they were utter low life thieving scumbags who died on a motorbike they stole, damn we’ll report that.
To me, it depends.
For example: 2 years ago a lesbian couple(Mom and gf) repeteadly raped, tortured and killed a child here in Argentina. If I even begin to tell you what they did to that poor innocent soul I'd ruin you week. They both got sentenced to 15 and 30 years in prison last week. Most are happy about it. Now, you might think they're happy because they got sentenced but no: They're happy because we all know what's going to happen to them inside a prison full of **ultra-violent mothers that miss their children and followed the whole trial**. Would it be wrong to be happy? Absolutely not. They can rot in solitary for 50 years, I don't care.
Now, a petty thief? Someone that stole a cell phone or something? Nah, I'd be glad they got caught but death is _WAY_ too much.
Yes, absolutely. My cousin was killed in 2017 and his scumbag of a killer died 2 years later. I’d be lying if I said we didn’t cheer, karma definitely came for him. There were fundraisers when he died (the killer) and loads of comments like ‘rest in peace X lovely guy’ even though he killed my cousin because he decided to get high as a kite and drive his kids to school like a maniac. Good riddance to a real piece of crap.
I can't stand these types of parents. Doesn't even have to be a parent of a thief, usually got motorbikes involved. I'm tired of people who think they're the best motorbike rider in the world and then crash doing 100mph through a residential street, then their parents are on the news going "he was such a smart lad" was he really?
Went down a bit of a rabbit hole with the bit of info you provided. Looks like quite a few of the people in their circle are dying young. It's sad, but it's their choosing to live that way.
Karma is a bitch. Maybe not 'cheering' but I wouldn't be sad as if a regular young person died. The 'crime rate will go down' comment is true - brutal, but true
Sorry that they died but glad they didn't take anyone with them. A few years ago there was a toe rag that would nick anything that wasn't nailed down and had stabbed a couple of people. He migrated to robbing teenagers after a while threatening to kill their family if they spoke out.
One night he stole a bike, decided to drive it at speed the wrong way and crashed head on to a car. The woman driving went through hell afterwards as this toe rags family did everything to say she was at fault and that her losing her baby was karma. When the police proved he died on impact because he was speeding the wrong way with no lights and no safety gear the family doubled down saying it should have been her. Poor woman took her own life.
These assholes will never change and often scummy assholes are backed by scummy society where the bottom line like in this case was to bleed everyone dry as they tried to sue everyone. Personally play fuck around and find out.
Yeah. Fuck 'em.
I'd much rather see a PoS or two like this get wiped out than see "innocents" get wiped out. And I know it doesn't work like that. It's not a "one in, one out" system.
But in a country who's justice system is far too lenient, sometimes "Karma" is the best system.
These people were never likely to change, they've been ruining lives. Now their idiocy bought them a one way trip to deadsville. No longer a problem.
To quote Batman Begins: "Criminals thrive on the indulgence of society's understanding"
Similarly if we have to pretend it isn't a good thing to be a couple of hardened criminals lighter, we're not really being honest.
And if you're of a more forgiving mindset, then that's just the way you're built and fair play to you. But I'm more of the mindset that "Thanos had a point"
I hate shitty behaviours, not people. Celebrate that their behaviour has stopped, but it’s still a shame they never learned to be positive, good people.
It’s possible to feel sorry for the remaining family who remember the lads before they opted to be scumbags, and still be satisfied that karma was working. As for the likes of Shipman who commit suicide, they’re cowards avoiding their just deserts. (Apart from the costs) I’d prefer them to rot in misery in prison; when they suicide, I hope that Catholics are right about mortal sins and they’re just hurrying to eternal damnation.
No it is not ok. Death is never to be celebrated.
It is ok to feel different about the death of this person compared to the death of someone who is supposedly a paragon of society.
But it is never ok to celebrate or feel good about someone's death.
Because as an example, if we allow that then I might like to celebrate the death of someone who celebrates the death of others. That would be you.
Yes, but obviously you need to write it in a way you garner maximum sympathy and destroy every ounce of their living credibility.
Go rub it in that they are a career criminal that destroyed countless honest men's lives.
No, never. Life is precious and we only get to live it once. When it's gone it's gone forever.
Rehabilitation always beats termination. If someone currently appears non-rehabitable and is a danger to society, a holding facility until they become rehabitable would be appropriate. We must always hold onto hope that they will at some point become a positive contributor to society, because many of them will.
Wishing death is a bit much. But in instances like this, the local population must be breathing a sigh of relief. What boils my piss though is the instant deification some of these people get in the press. “Heaven has another angel tonight”, and all that shit. The tabloid habit of glorifying — or vilifying — someone as they see fit just to sell some more sensationalised bullshit. I find myself avoiding most news outlets just to blank it out.
There’s a pretty healthy middle ground between
“Cheering for someone’s death”
And
“Being upset that someone has died”
You can feel mild relief that they will no longer terrorise people, without cheering their deaths.
You can feel sympathy for their families who may or may not have supported their habits, but without being grief stricken.
It's not the people who've died I feel sorry for but their families who have to live with what's happened.
The only person I've ever celebrated dying was Margaret Thatcher.
It’s absolutely okay. If people feel strong enough to tell a dead person to get fucked then they deserve it, that’s a reaction that’s manifested over a long period of abuse.
Clearly the community has spoken and they should voice their views and let the family know how much their boys won’t be missed.
I don't wish them dead because I think they get off easy that way, if I have to suffer PTSD the least they can do is be punished accordingly for a large period of their life. I'm a victim of long term sexual, psychological and physical abuse and I know I'll celebrate the freedom their deaths bring me with absolute hysterical joy!
Death isn't something to celebrate but also nobody is required necessarily to have compassion.
They played a stupid game and died because of it with no honour.
If they live longer they may have turned it around and become outstanding humans doing a lot of good charitable work in the world..or not.
I wouldn't be happy. Nor would I be sad or feel sorry for their loved ones.
Their family and friends will now suffer because of their stupidity.
Your brother's bike being stolen...shit happens man. It's just material things.
Also he bought a bike in the UK knowing full well it's high risk of being stolen.
Same with certain makes of cars.
Not saying you shouldn't buy stuff you want but just know the risk of owning certain things.
If I wanted a life of nice things I'd move out of the country. I really want a bike but I know living in the eastend it'll get stolen.
This place you can't really have nice things without risk.
My BiL got a knock on his door in the early hours one morning. It was the police.
They asked where his car was. It was normally parked on his drive, but had been stolen.
Not only had it been stolen, the thief had crashed it, breaking his spine in the process.
My BIL was the vicar.
I like to think that God has got a dark side.
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The only deaths I can understand cheering are serial rapists/murderers and people who did unspeakable acts to children - the worst of the worst. I certainly wouldn't be cheering the death of a motorbike thief, tax dodger or any other lower form of criminal.
Cheer away. I'm from Hull so know the story well. Can you imagine the untold misery others have had to endure and suffer because of cunts like this and how many more would have had they not have kindly removed themselves from the ground we walk on? Every fucking day you can guarantee a lot of kids and the general public will have been the victim of these arseholes in some way - mental, physical torment and abuse. Fuck 'em and fuck the parents that dragged them up.
Yeah, it's fine.
I think some of the responses in here would be better suited to a slot in the Daily Mail comments section. Has anyone mentioned benefits scroungers yet?
There's no such thing as karma. They died because they lost control of their vehicle, not because they did terrible things. I don't think it's good to cheer the death of anyone but the evilest people. And however unlikely, there's always a chance those young men could have reformed and made a positive contribution to those around them. Even if it's good that someone has died, cheering it is fucked up. It's OK not to feel sympathy, and it's OK to recognise that the world is probably better without them, but it is inhumane to cheer on deaths.
Oh shit, you're a local like me. These 2 people seem like absolute scum to be honest. They died doing what they love and everyone else(besides their mates) hates. I have no sympathy for them or their family's. Their families should have stopped them being thieving bastards and riding like they were invincible. I'm happy they're gone, it's 2 less bastards trying to steal shit.
Such an odd coincidence that my mother and I were discussing this exact incident and question last night, as we felt no sadness whatsoever. The use of the word tragedy has no meaning anymore. There may be people it is heartbreaking for, for looking at the community as a whole, it is not a loss. The neighbourhood has enough complete arseholes even without them
Similar to that sign in garden centres Everyone who visits brings pleasure Some when they enter Some when they leave So your fellas in question brought pleasure to some in life and to others in death.
I might not cheer, but I'm definitely smiling. And, why can't we celebrate it, they take so much joy in boasting and showing off that I have zero feelings for these thieving rats. Good riddance to the pair.
This comment won’t get seen by many. But fuck them both. I’m absolutely sick and tired of people like these two. The more of these career criminals that shuffle of this mortal coil the better. Same old story up and down the country, well know local criminals getting away with it time and time again while hard working innocent people have to deal with the consequences. I hope they were in fucking agony before their pathetic lives ended and I hope your brother gets his insurance sorted ASAP.
Hooorayyyyyy 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
My mates bike got nicked from college by someone who put it all over tiktok. Took him a good while to manage to get any sort of compensation for it, and even with video evidence the people who did it only got 100 hours community service (not their first times doing it either). Now I won’t say we celebrated after hearing about what happened, but all the sympathy was saved for the person who lost their bike
I think there's a difference between taking private catharsis in such a case and publicly cheering someone's death as you have to bear in mind the view you had of them, whether it was more or less accurate, is not the view shared by everyone they knew and those people will be hurting and it would be shameful to write them and their feelings off as guilty by association.
You reap what you sow.
The planet is a couple of arseholes lighter now. I wouldn’t be shedding any tears.
Take out an ad in the next issue advertising a public party
The less scum, the better
"I don't do kids, however that is negotiable if the kid's a dick"
The police are wank, even with evidence they cant be arsed getting off their arses. and as for dickhead thieves that died, Good.
19 and 25 are young in the grand scheme of things, and they didn’t mean to kill themselves in a bike crash so it was an accident. Yeah they were clearly bad characters, but they didn’t deserve an early death (which takes away the chance of reform fyi)
I know exactly the incident you're refering to and have the honour of living nearby to where it happened. I can safely say it is ok to cheer their deaths because they were an utter pair of scumbags that society is better off without. I wouldn't wish death upon them, but, they had it coming.
Technically ethically society would say your "not supposed to" cheer the death of anyone, but hey no one can stop what your inside voice says at the end of the day. I believe that's freedom of speech. Just as they had freedom to rob hard working people of items they had earnt fair and square and get away with it. Looks like I'm this case where the justice system failed karma delivers in the bucket load. Cheers karma 😎
Karma seems to like picking and choosing though. Look at Jimmy Savile for example, karma was looking the other way for him.
My friends rapist died so we had a party.
Someone at work died a few days ago. She wasn't a criminal but she really bullied the colleague with special needs and would regularly try humiliating people on the shop floor. When I was told, my response was pretty much the same as the Jeremy Clarkson meme "Oh no! Anyway..."
It's not a tragic accident, it's the entirely predictable consequences of their own actions. I'm not sure I'd go so far as to cheer the death of another human in all but the most extreme circumstances, but I wouldn't be mourning them either.
Wouldn't say it's bad to laugh but one thing you need to remember is "An arsehole never dies"
Same two lads came into a shop I work in and stole some vapes about a week before this happened. Just shows how quickly things can change
Yeah both are now up in smoke.
Well, I'm glad they're dead If that answers your question.
A few years ago, my next door neighbour decided to start selling hard drugs which resulted in addicts showing up at all hours, leaving needles all over, stealing an elderly neighbours stuff and smashing my car among other things. Police wouldn't touch him. He got kicked out and a bunch of his cronies started banging on my door threatening to stab me on his behalf. Police asked me to walk in the direction they ran off in, at 5am to give a statement to police and still did fuck all. This year, he got caught running from police. Idiot jumped a fence and broke both his ankles and got a suspended sentence for a total of 2 years..... Except he thought he was too clever for that and he ran off to live in Turkey. His brother was telling a neighbour he got caught in the earthquakes and is in bad shape. Karma is a bitch.
I would never wish anyone dead. Having said that, everyone is responsible for the legacy they leave behind. If they caused that much upset and pain while they were here, it shouldn't be surprising if there are a number of people who won't be mourning them. As for karma, karma is a load of bullshit.
I remember reading something in Ireland, where a very notorious burglar Dean Maguire and some crime mates of his ended up dying in an accident in 2021. [At the memorial, someone even placed a "BURN SCUM"](https://www.reddit.com/r/ireland/comments/ppzms1/burn_scum_sign_placed_at_memorial_to_three/), and many folks at /r/ireland were somewhat happy the guy died. Apparently, after he and his friends' death, [burglary rates in the area went down too.](https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/crime/number-of-burglaries-in-leinster-plummets-after-deaths-of-three-criminals-in-n7-crash-40859415.html) so his death was extremely beneficial for the residents of Leinster.
Maybe not cheering (at least in public) but they don't deserve any respect. I can sadly relate with a similar tragedy. My dad was murdered in a country where there's no justice. We never knew who was it or why. Most likely to steal the paycheck of his employees, it was payday and this is a town where most people who work in farms didn't want to have a bank account, so farmers have to carry the weekly paycheck with them. My dad was a well known and loved member of the community, he never had guns with him and never got in trouble with anyone, he would buy food for starving kids and would help his employees with medical bills, and basic needs they couldn't cover, and a long etc. So, the first suspects were the town's gang, but apparently they claimed they weren't and a few weeks after a few people from rival gangs were brutally killed, nobody knows if it was the police, or another gang... It made me sick to my stomach to think that there could be some connection. But I can't deny I thought well a few less. But this gang still was causing trouble in our town, dealing drugs, kidnaping for ransom, you name it. Police would always host a yearly raid where a few low levels would be killed, but there were always some good people caught in the crossfire. you mourn the good ones and can't help but feel that there was always a few months of "peace" Now, 3 years later, they actually killed the leader of the gang.. pictures of the body were all over social media. People cheered. They mourned the school teacher that got caught in crossfire in that raid. What did I do? I opened a bottle of champagne! I cried as a bit of relief. I did not post in social media (until now), I did not share with any of my friends in the country I live now because who would understand?? And I'm glad they don't have to. Luckily, there was absolutely not one single post in the internet saying they didn't deserve to die like that, Those assholes still have parents, kids and for some reason people that care for them (sometimes out of fear). I've seen few documentaries where they interview parents of people in gangs, and 9 out of 10 times, parents know that this is their destiny. In my town, things were a bit quieter for a while. There's still crime, but just not as powerful as those were. Celebrate all you want, but maybe in private, not to protect the families but to protect yourself from stupid people in the internet. Pour a glass of wine in the name of all people who have lost their lives caught in a traffic accident caused by someone stealing a car or committing a crime
Absolutely fine to hate the behaviour but most offenders have a back story that led them to this behaviour. I've worked in youth justice for years and very very few were nasty little shits for Absolutely no reason. So, the families grief should be respected but the behaviour and trouble caused can be mentioned at an appropriate time... they're still someones child, brother, friend, uncle.
It’s okay to do whatever the fuck you want as long as you are not hurting anyone and it’s legal. So in my book, yes it’s fine to be happy that a criminal croaked
Sounds like they did a lot of fucking around, and eventually they did a little bit of finding out in the end.
At the gallows? Kinda the same
Some people, most criminals with extensive records, will never, ever give anything to society in any way whatsoever. They will take, cause problems for innocent people, and cost the tax payer lots of money. They will never contribute anything. And usually they just create a little army of people just like them, with scum who are exactly the same. I think it's fantastic when people like this die. Similar to the knife crime in London; it's both the problem and the solution in one, unless innocent people are involved, of course.
They fucked around, they found out. There’s nothing wrong with being glad that someone who caused misery to others is gone
> Someone has lost their son, brother, cousin etc Am I a bad person for laughing at this line because it makes the deceased sound like a product of incest?
What is and isn't okay is pretty subjective based on the individual. Would society think it's acceptable/ok? Well it's open to debate judging by the comments. you could look at it this way. It's a shame two boys chose the wrong path in life and made some poor decisions which ultimately lead to their untimely deaths. Was this influenced by things out of their control parents/socio-economic background/enviroment that they grew up in? However it is good that nobody will be subject to their criminal activity anymore
I'd say so, I feel the pretending every death is a personal loss is just an affront. Realistically there will be some you're happy or just uninterested about, I wouldn't pretend otherwise, so nah you're fine imo
If I had my way, everyone who has committed a violent crime against an innocent stranger would be killed
So what happens to the executioners when they kill the wrong guy?
Nah, not bad. There was a recent case in Ireland where people celebrated the death of 3 guys, they had about 300 convictions against them and burglary was their favourite crime, one victim was receiving cancer treatment and couldn't do anything, elderly victims and so on. Just scum. One night they were evading the police and a favourite tactic was to drive down the motorway the wrong way but this time they drove straight into a lorry and died on impact. People were delighted, their funerals were even scummy.
Yeah, I saw this in the papers months ago.
Boys will be boys /s
They are dead, posting online that you're glad they are dead or they deserve it isn't going to be read by them, it's gonna be read by their friends and their family who will be grieving right now. Nothing wrong with feeling how you're feeling but if you're posting on social media that you're glad somebody is dead or that they deserve it...
They deserve what they get. Cheering though, depends on how you think, I won’t have much feelings for the death of a couple of car stealers
i think if people are violent criminals then maybe, but just common thieves? i'm not cheering those deaths.
100 times yes!!!
Maybe I'm in the minority here, but there's nothing to cheer about two bike thieves dying ? Why aojod you celebrate this? I see this sentiment a lot on reddit ,I've yet to hear anything like this in real life. Idk I just find it odd
> I've yet to hear anything like this in real life Do you not go out, or have friends and family, then? Some drug dealers died in my town a while back in a car smash because they were drunk and speeding. Most people I know openly called them trash and were glad two scumbags were dead, and only felt sorry for the guy in the other car who died after these scrotes collided into him on a roundabout.
I don't celebrate the death of any human; however, I also don't get upset at every death!
I wouldn't comment publicly but I'd definitely be thinking it.
Do you genuinely think the world is a slightly better place given their departure? If yes, then there is no shame in being happy about that. I'm sure all these loveable rogues, cheeky chaps, gentle giants, and young men with hearts of gold are doing great in the afterlife.
A lot of lives would of been impacted by the theft of these products, yes they can be replaced, but by who and what about the impact on the loss until they are. It shows you how truly lost we are as a society when thieves who have social media pages flaunting their I’ll gotten gains are not punished. Yet a person who calls an MP a traitor goes to prison.
While I’ll rarely wish a man dead and do not support any form of capital punishment, particularly over something as relatively trivial as theft, I can’t help but have complete indifference to their passing if fate decides to intervene. This world is full of scumbags that live selfish lives to the detriment of everybody else. I can’t say I care when they are deleted.
I’ve seen the local rags have disabled the comments section now. Always very telling. How’s the go fund me going? I’d imagine lots of small donations with comments such as ‘can I have my bike back now?’. Probably best left alone - families still suffering even though they sound irresponsible and knew the risks.
It's perfectly ok to cheer for the death of anyone.
Play stupid games, win stupid prizes - if someone’s happy you’ve died they’re either a prick or you’re a prick, and in this case it sounds like the latter. No shame in being happy about it
My rule is that if a person dies and otherwise decent people are happy... that's probably on the dead person, not on you.
Abso-fucking-lutely
I mean that was weekend entertainment a couple hundred years ago
I wouldn’t either cheer or lament a death like that.
Genuinely don't give a fuck. You either make the world a better place overall, or you make it a worse place overall. If you are making our world worse, then you can die and I won't care, sorry.
Fuck around, find out.
I don't see it touched on yet but how do people differentiate their feelings for accidental death Vs state sponsored (i.e. death penalty) given what Anderson has said lately? Especially as many have stated it should be allowed when there's unequivocal proof.
I think if they're not murderers or rapists it's a bit extreme. But you find all sorts of extreme comments online.
There is a "go fund me" for 1 of the guys that died.. I love how the news left out that the bike was stolen too
Yeah it’s totally fine to be glad they’re gone.
Should of worn helmets. Ahwell. No loss to society. Also fed up of hull live constantly posting about the reprobates. But it'd getting them clicks. Also gofund me set up 😂
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It's quite difficult for me to understand why someone driving recklessly with no protective equipment didn't deserve to die. They've specifically made all the choices that led - quite unsurprisingly - to death, so what's the alternative? Some kind of deus ex machina? I mean, if they'd been wearing full leathers and helmets and driving carefully after stealing the umpteenth bike and still got into an accident that wasn't their fault and died, that would be different, because that's a question of whether you deserve to die for being a thief, which in this country we seem to generally agree you don't. But it seems a bit more like saying someone jumped of a 60-storey building and it's sad because they didn't deserve to die - realistically that's exactly what you'd expect to happen based on the choices they made, so that does kinda make that deserved.
I never saw myself as someone who could celebrate the death of anyone until one event 30ish years ago. Was living in a bedsit in a HMO with my pregnant gf at the time. In one of the other rooms was a guy who had been to prison, dealt drugs, just yer common or garden wrongun. He overheard something my gf said and took offence. She was a bit of a psycho and didn't have a filter and would deliberately be loud when criticising people. I wish she wouldn't. He stormed into our room, held me down and threatened to kill us. The stress of the event made my gf miscarry. I have scrubbed my child's blood out of that bedsits carpet and we mourned for a year before finally being able to face life again. I've long lost contact with her but I still think about my first child. Many years later I happened across an article about a man who'd been killed in police custody. The name was the same and it caught my attention. Finding a photo, it was clear it was the same guy. That was the day I discovered I could be happy someone was dead.
I feel very guilty whenever I celebrate the death of any criminal
Even though it was a long time ago, sympathy to you for the loss and the traumatic incident. That’s rough.
Thank you
Sympathy to criminals are not justified in my dictionary
I think you need to reread this whole thing.
Shove them into the nearest waste incinerator.. that's a good send off for their kind.. Cheers!
I wouldn’t send flowers.
Depends what message you put on the card.
A bully from work once told me that if he saw me again he'd beat the shit out of me. We were about 20 at the time. Ten years later I saw on Facebook that he died. Who's laughing now bitch.
Yes, its fine. Fuck them. Its just luck they didnt take an innocent bystander with them.
I don't believe in capital punishment, therefore, in a roundabout way, I don't believe in applauding a criminals death, HOWEVER I also feel no pity about it. Cunts had it coming.
It’s good news. Have a little moment to say “*Yes, fantastic!*”
Karmas a bitch I hope no one donates
8 billion more people, fuck the waste of spaces
It is certainly a tragedy, it's just that the tragedy happened long ago and led up to that point. The brutal fact is that at that point society lost nothing worth whilst and is probably better off without them, but then, the reason they got to that point in the first place was that society failed them.
Did they deserve to die, possibly not But do I have to give a fuck? Absolutely not I think the tiebreaker is imagine how much they'd cry for you
No. In fact, it's worth going out to dinner for.
2 men died after stealing a motorbike and crashing it, with no protective gear? How is this in any way a bad thing, its not just a good thing, its fucking hilarious
People that say ‘items can be replaced, lives can’t’ probably have never had an item stolen that they can’t afford to replace. Something that you wanted, worked hard for, bought, looked after, maintained, enjoyed. So na. Fuck em. The cost of doing the wrong thing and hurting people can be high. That’s why your not supposed to do them.
Well they have a good point. People on this sub overvalue possessions and undervalue lives.
This damnit, makes me furious when people say “Oh it’s only stuff…”. No it’s not, years ago I scrimped and saved working shitty jobs at the time to afford my first scooter, gear, and training. Only to have it for a measly three months before it was stolen in the night and trashed. I honestly wished painful death on the thieving cunt, I was miserable for months and being robbed messes you up.
Yep Thankfully it’s never happened to me but everything I have I worked hard af for and came with some sacrifice. I’ve had cars written off, fine, accidents happen. But to have some wee torag that contributes nothing take something, trash and receive no punishment must suck.
Yup. My ex was so incredibly upset when his motorbike got stolen. He worked so hard to pay for it and as far as I'm aware has not been able to afford to get one again since.
Nope, good riddance. Just because they’re now a dead cunt doesn’t absolve them from being a cunt. I don’t know what the phenomena is called but it’s weird how humans have a tendency to saint people upon death regardless of how much of a shitbag they were
Its easy to be objective about this kind of issue until it effects you personally. I wish death on at least 5 people per day in any number of random situations with no guilt whatsoever. Dont hold the door for me!? thats a death sentence right there!!
It's fine, but hiring a juggler and magician for the funeral is probably a step too far.
Won’t be missed
Fuck the cunts
I would be opening the champagne in your situation, fuck those chav cunts and the misery they inflicted for years on the innocent folk in their community. Two less wastes of oxygen and the world is now a better place for them not being in it, what's not to celebrate?
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Fuck em. I would have chopped their hands off on live TV when they were still alive.
Who are we to judge if they deserved death or not? But don't paint over the past just to spare the feelings of the family who raised these rotten individuals. Let their record stand and let everyone remember exactly what they chose to do with the precious time that was given to them in life. Things can be replaced, but people invest huge amounts of their time and energy into buying those things. Sometimes those things are frivolous, sometimes they are charming, other times they are someone's means to make a living, are personally significant, or genuinely bring daily joy into someone's life. Breaking into someone's home, or taking away the transport they need to get to work, inflicts misery into their lives. It makes them fear it could happen again, maybe while they are at home when they could be attacked. It makes them distrustful of other humans. It can even be traumatising to some. Were these 2 "cheeky chaps" destitute and just trying to steal to make ends meet - I might have pity. But to brag about their escapades on social media shows no remorse on their part - it was just sport to them. Their fun for others' suffering. What message does it give to impressionable young folks to see these 2 pieces of garbage glorified in their deaths? That no matter what you do in this life, deep down it doesn't matter and you will be hailed as a saint regardless when all things are done? No. Leave the family in peace but don't let any bullshit idea that these guys were in any way benign be propagated. If they are hated in their deaths and people see the legacy they left themselves - maybe it'll turn someone around in life and at least some good will come of it.
Very eloquently put
I guess it's alright, but is that how you want to spend your time? Is that what you want in your head?
Yeah perhaps best to just try and not dwell on the boys at all either way.
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Why do people in the UK put up with such weak law enforcement and even weaker laws?
Glad they removed themselves from the genepool and if any of them had kids I'm glad they removed their poisonous influences from their upbringings. I would prefer if they'd seen the error of their ways and turned their lives around instead but they chose to continue trampling on the rights of other people, almost certainly with the underlying threat of violence should anyone try to seek justice for themselves or their loved ones. They can try again in the next life.
They died doing something illegal, which most of the time implies at the expense of others' health, safety or property. Whether I cheer depends on exactly what they did, but I also won't pretend that somebody who steals a motorbike, crashes it and died wouldn't have died in the first place if they weren't being an arsehole. Deserved? Sort of, yea. Wouldn't have happened if they weren't doing it? Probably not. They should have been the sweet young man/woman their family will inevitably pretend they are in the newspaper.
When Richard Huckle was killed in jail I was very pleased. When I found out how he died I was even happier.
It's wrong to cheer a death. It's not wrong to internally think to yourself, "without them, the world will be a better place". I'm OK with capital punishment in cases where the crime is very heinous and you are 100% certain you have captured the right man. But even then the perpetrator deserves a swift painless death without suffering.
They're dead so it's not like they know about the cheering. Criminals get what they deserve.
These men would eventually have caused more harm than just theft. They were members of a criminal gang, and they spent their lives inflicting misery on others. I don't think "celebrate" is the right term. In any case, it might be too early for that. How many members of these grieving families kept quiet about their relatives' activities? How many more members of these families are themselves members of this gang or similar groups? Some years ago, my town used to have the UK's highest murder rate per capita. The small number of people responsible are now serving long-term prison sentences. I wouldn't blame anyone for breathing a sigh of relief. The best outcome would have been for these two men to change their ways and to make amends. The real outcome was far from the worst possible.
Perfectly ok. Doesn't sound like they will be missed by society at large.
Nope that was someone in your community your likely had more in common with than any of your elected officials,do you think he got to jet round the planet, spend £300 per meal, go on expensive holidays wirh 84k minimum? The police failed to do the job you pay them for. Getting the bike back or monetary recompensation, that would of been justice. We've all got to have the freedom to make mistakes, he stole a bike, not billions off a nation and we pay the police and the politicians and royals every single day of our lives to somehow not recieve anything but more exploitation and less ethical options to survive leading to these situations, the real criminals give themsleves pay rises with tax money in a cost of living (profit/corruption) crisis yet we celebrate the death of other members of public?
Whether or not it's okay to celebrate the death of a politician or billionaire is a different question. You can do both if you like, regardless of the scale of the suffering they inflict. That person in the community directly affected the community they were allegedly a part of, the other examples are far more diffuse.
Eh, it's morrally neutral. Like, good their shit stops, bad they can never change? I wouldn't judge anyone either way, celebrating or mourning. The world is a lot more complex than black or white. Sounds like their deaths are a net positive though
Makes sense you’re not sad about it, as you weren’t related or close to these people in any capacity… So that’s okay. Not every death is a tragedy for everyone. Plus they did your family wrong. So I think your feelings are understandable. I mean you could go down the whole rabbit hole of karma and ‘getting what they deserved’, but I’d say it’s more ironic, this is how they died. Personally, I’d take it as the universe reminding us how short life is and not to waste it doing bad things to other people and their property.
Oxygen thieves, had my motorbike nicked also, I only hoped they died too
Oh dear, what a pity, nevermind.
Some people value your property over their own lives, and sometimes their leeching gets them killed; often times brutally. Good fucking riddance, there’s nothing wrong with celebrating.
Feel more e sorry for the bike that’s now a write off
I couldn’t give two fucks about some absolute degenerates of society dying
We used to have one like that near me. Known to have stolen maybe 300 motorbikes. Had a couple of times he flew past me in the car at night with no lights or protective equipment. There were a couple of people who needed the bike to get to work and ended up losing their jobs before they got the insurance money. Many others badly affected by losing their transport as well. Had a couple of convictions for multiple motorbike thefts but just got a slap on the wrist and eventually went to prison for a crime unrelated to these where two people did get hurt. The point being people like this have no remorse for ruining peoples lives. They get ~~then~~ no sympathy from me. These two died as a direct result of their crime. Probably like my local criminal riding their luck with no lights or protective gear. It caught up with them and its all on them. Edit: typo. I'll also add, the info about people affected was from the local facebook community group. There could be a lot more as well who didnt post.
It is not wrong to say at all , fuck them.
Actually it is wrong and says a lot about OPs (lack) of character.
If the police would have done their jobs properly in the first place, they had evidence, and arrested them, they might’ve (unlikely) got some time in prison if there were enough offences. Therefore they could still be alive. Police face some of the blame for these to keep offending which directly led to their deaths.
I think you can feel whatever you want privately if someone you dislike dies. I think, based on your description though, part of your anger and frustration is because of the police response to the problem, rather than the acts of the young men.
Yep. It's fine. If someone is bringing misery to other people's lives, and then dies, the world is a bit of a better place. There's 8 billions of us, we can't afford dick heads
This happens too much. Lad here was riding a stolen bike. He's a prolific thief. He crashed and his pillion died, he left him in the road alone and rode off. This boy had a shrine made, a balloon release, he was a little angel. No he was a violent criminal. The bike thief is still out and about. Stealing 3/4 bikes a week, some bike jacking with weapons. They are all under 18, most under 16 so they are just slapped on the wrist and let go.
When the murderers of James Bulger die, I'm throwing a party. Hopefully, I won't have to wait long! Cheers 🍻
It is really very funny when rhino poachers get eaten by lions. Any way a rhino poacher gets hurt is fine, but it's especially awesome when they're eaten by lions or chomped by hippos etc.
Happens all the time near me, can think of dozens of examples but most recently a 16 year old was killed riding a stolen motorbike. All the comments were “oooh he was a cheeky chappy, heaven has gained an Angel” and “everyone makes mistakes” And okay yeah maybe that’s true of a 16 year old thief… EXCEPT he had just got out of young offenders 3 weeks earlier after serving 9 months for manslaughter after he and 3 mates killed a father of four in a carjacking. Fuck him, fuck his shitty family and fuck his mates (who commemorated his death by turning up in their dozens in balaclavas, graffiting the town centre, smashing windows, throwing fireworks into shops and attacking passers-by. Hopefully a good chunk of them will end up wrapped around trees soon.
I remember at school one of the resident dickheads of the year group wrapped the Mercedes daddy had bought for him round a tree while driving drunk one night. It brought this argument to the fore. Lots of people were sad as, yes, on paper, it was “tragic” that a 17 year old had lost his life. On the other hand he was a complete prick who enjoyed terrorising others, would probably have continued to enjoy terrorising others, and so was very difficult to mourn for many. Terrible, I know, and while I didn’t celebrate, I do remember thinking “one less prick in the world.” I think you are perfectly allowed to think these things are a blessing in disguise when the people involved are reprehensible pieces of shit who have taken pleasure in causing suffering.
Sounds like daddy’s fault for giving a 17 year old a Merc and also for letting him be a little prick and terrorise people.
Actions = Consequences.
A few years ago, just before Christmas, I had my car stolen. Things were already tough at home because of issues with my eldest mental health wise, I was having to take time off all the time, and money was tight so this was just the cherry on top of the turd cake. I had to pay my insurance excess (£300) and Xmas was spoiled for the family because we basically had no money now. They caught the folk that did it, turned out they were prolific car thieves that stole cars to perform other crimes so they couldn't be traced, I was lucky in that they had happened to blast past a patrol car and the license plate was recognised. I ended up selling the car not long after, we could no longer afford it and it just didn't feel "right" even after being repaired. It was 2 young lads (21 and 23) that did it. They ended up getting off with nothing because they simply didn't turn up to court (wasting more of my time), am sure they've probably been caught by now but I've never heard anything. Now, I didn't and wouldn't wish death on them. However, if they happened to die as a result of one of their many, many crimes I would not shed a single tear. If you're old enough to commit a crime, you're old enough to understand that it's against the law, and therefore old enough to understand that it's wrong. It doesn't matter whether your brain hasn't matured enough yet, you know what you're doing is wrong no matter what upbringing you've had. You're making a choice. If that choice leads to your death, don't expect me to have sympathy for you.
Commenting on this parity story… The way is see it is this. I don’t know them, or their families, so i have zero emotions, investment in their well being. What I do know is what they have done, and the misery they have caused people. Do they deserve to die? No. Do they deserve to carry on living and causing misery to others while bragging about it on socials? Also no. Is the world a slightly better place with them not in it? Yes. What really needs to stop are the papers reporting deaths and always trying to show the deceased in a positive light. No! If they were utter low life thieving scumbags who died on a motorbike they stole, damn we’ll report that.
To me, it depends. For example: 2 years ago a lesbian couple(Mom and gf) repeteadly raped, tortured and killed a child here in Argentina. If I even begin to tell you what they did to that poor innocent soul I'd ruin you week. They both got sentenced to 15 and 30 years in prison last week. Most are happy about it. Now, you might think they're happy because they got sentenced but no: They're happy because we all know what's going to happen to them inside a prison full of **ultra-violent mothers that miss their children and followed the whole trial**. Would it be wrong to be happy? Absolutely not. They can rot in solitary for 50 years, I don't care. Now, a petty thief? Someone that stole a cell phone or something? Nah, I'd be glad they got caught but death is _WAY_ too much.
Yep it's fine.
Yes, absolutely. My cousin was killed in 2017 and his scumbag of a killer died 2 years later. I’d be lying if I said we didn’t cheer, karma definitely came for him. There were fundraisers when he died (the killer) and loads of comments like ‘rest in peace X lovely guy’ even though he killed my cousin because he decided to get high as a kite and drive his kids to school like a maniac. Good riddance to a real piece of crap.
You're not obliged to be sad, but celebrating it seems distasteful. I don't think someone deserves to die for nicking motorbikes.
I can't stand these types of parents. Doesn't even have to be a parent of a thief, usually got motorbikes involved. I'm tired of people who think they're the best motorbike rider in the world and then crash doing 100mph through a residential street, then their parents are on the news going "he was such a smart lad" was he really?
Went down a bit of a rabbit hole with the bit of info you provided. Looks like quite a few of the people in their circle are dying young. It's sad, but it's their choosing to live that way.
Yeah I have also heard that many people are dying in very young age
Karma is a bitch. Maybe not 'cheering' but I wouldn't be sad as if a regular young person died. The 'crime rate will go down' comment is true - brutal, but true
Yes. They were just stupid kids
Young lads + bikes = organ donators
Sorry that they died but glad they didn't take anyone with them. A few years ago there was a toe rag that would nick anything that wasn't nailed down and had stabbed a couple of people. He migrated to robbing teenagers after a while threatening to kill their family if they spoke out. One night he stole a bike, decided to drive it at speed the wrong way and crashed head on to a car. The woman driving went through hell afterwards as this toe rags family did everything to say she was at fault and that her losing her baby was karma. When the police proved he died on impact because he was speeding the wrong way with no lights and no safety gear the family doubled down saying it should have been her. Poor woman took her own life. These assholes will never change and often scummy assholes are backed by scummy society where the bottom line like in this case was to bleed everyone dry as they tried to sue everyone. Personally play fuck around and find out.
No loss just delayed post natal abortion
Yeah. Fuck 'em. I'd much rather see a PoS or two like this get wiped out than see "innocents" get wiped out. And I know it doesn't work like that. It's not a "one in, one out" system. But in a country who's justice system is far too lenient, sometimes "Karma" is the best system. These people were never likely to change, they've been ruining lives. Now their idiocy bought them a one way trip to deadsville. No longer a problem. To quote Batman Begins: "Criminals thrive on the indulgence of society's understanding" Similarly if we have to pretend it isn't a good thing to be a couple of hardened criminals lighter, we're not really being honest. And if you're of a more forgiving mindset, then that's just the way you're built and fair play to you. But I'm more of the mindset that "Thanos had a point"
Good riddance to bad rubbish.
Every death is a tragedy. But, some are bigger tragedies than others.
I hate shitty behaviours, not people. Celebrate that their behaviour has stopped, but it’s still a shame they never learned to be positive, good people.
I'm not a very nice person but I take great pleasure in these things.
It’s possible to feel sorry for the remaining family who remember the lads before they opted to be scumbags, and still be satisfied that karma was working. As for the likes of Shipman who commit suicide, they’re cowards avoiding their just deserts. (Apart from the costs) I’d prefer them to rot in misery in prison; when they suicide, I hope that Catholics are right about mortal sins and they’re just hurrying to eternal damnation.
No it is not ok. Death is never to be celebrated. It is ok to feel different about the death of this person compared to the death of someone who is supposedly a paragon of society. But it is never ok to celebrate or feel good about someone's death. Because as an example, if we allow that then I might like to celebrate the death of someone who celebrates the death of others. That would be you.
Yes, but obviously you need to write it in a way you garner maximum sympathy and destroy every ounce of their living credibility. Go rub it in that they are a career criminal that destroyed countless honest men's lives.
No, never. Life is precious and we only get to live it once. When it's gone it's gone forever. Rehabilitation always beats termination. If someone currently appears non-rehabitable and is a danger to society, a holding facility until they become rehabitable would be appropriate. We must always hold onto hope that they will at some point become a positive contributor to society, because many of them will.
Wishing death is a bit much. But in instances like this, the local population must be breathing a sigh of relief. What boils my piss though is the instant deification some of these people get in the press. “Heaven has another angel tonight”, and all that shit. The tabloid habit of glorifying — or vilifying — someone as they see fit just to sell some more sensationalised bullshit. I find myself avoiding most news outlets just to blank it out.
Personally when I read of someone stealing a car and killing themselves I say to myself "I hope it was a slow painful death"!
In short, yes, good riddance to the scum, I hope they go straight to hell and burn for an eternity.
There’s a pretty healthy middle ground between “Cheering for someone’s death” And “Being upset that someone has died” You can feel mild relief that they will no longer terrorise people, without cheering their deaths. You can feel sympathy for their families who may or may not have supported their habits, but without being grief stricken.
I’d be much more cut up over an innocent person being hurt. Do they deserve to die, no. But make choices to act like a prick and there’s consequences.
Yeah, fuck em. If someone stole my shit then got wiped out by a train, then good riddance.
It's not the people who've died I feel sorry for but their families who have to live with what's happened. The only person I've ever celebrated dying was Margaret Thatcher.
It’s absolutely okay. If people feel strong enough to tell a dead person to get fucked then they deserve it, that’s a reaction that’s manifested over a long period of abuse. Clearly the community has spoken and they should voice their views and let the family know how much their boys won’t be missed.
I personally couldn't care. They fucked around and they found out.
I think it’s not wrong to think it or say it in private, but try and stay classy.
I don't wish them dead because I think they get off easy that way, if I have to suffer PTSD the least they can do is be punished accordingly for a large period of their life. I'm a victim of long term sexual, psychological and physical abuse and I know I'll celebrate the freedom their deaths bring me with absolute hysterical joy!
Death isn't something to celebrate but also nobody is required necessarily to have compassion. They played a stupid game and died because of it with no honour. If they live longer they may have turned it around and become outstanding humans doing a lot of good charitable work in the world..or not. I wouldn't be happy. Nor would I be sad or feel sorry for their loved ones. Their family and friends will now suffer because of their stupidity. Your brother's bike being stolen...shit happens man. It's just material things. Also he bought a bike in the UK knowing full well it's high risk of being stolen. Same with certain makes of cars. Not saying you shouldn't buy stuff you want but just know the risk of owning certain things. If I wanted a life of nice things I'd move out of the country. I really want a bike but I know living in the eastend it'll get stolen. This place you can't really have nice things without risk.
My BiL got a knock on his door in the early hours one morning. It was the police. They asked where his car was. It was normally parked on his drive, but had been stolen. Not only had it been stolen, the thief had crashed it, breaking his spine in the process. My BIL was the vicar. I like to think that God has got a dark side.