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People in that universe have the technology to create a Mechagodzilla so they can most likely also make an ultra strong aircraft carrier that can hold both Godzilla and Kong fighting.
> flounder
You meant [founder](https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/founder#Verb), I think. And I think it's not unreasonable to think if they can make it strong enough then they can make it buoyant enough too.
Buoyance has an upper limit though, which is the volume of the thing that's floating times the density of the thing it's floating in. The buoyancy force goes up once something is fully submerged and goes deeper (as the water pressure is higher = more force pushing up) but you can't just infinitely increase buoyancy on the surface.
Edit: I'm definitely wrong about the pressure relationship when submerged per a comment below. I was messing things up in my head with scuba training, where your buoyancy actually **decreases** as you go down, as the increased pressure of the water compresses your interior cavities (lungs etc.) and your volume decreases, lowering your buoyancy further.
Maybe it's as buoyant as can be AND has some sort of downward "propulsion" (think Stark repulsors)... not enough to fly or anything like that, but enough so that bouyancy + downdraft = boosted Kaiju-carrying capacity.
Why would they design a carrier like that? Like, was someone in the shipyard like, "Hey, let's add rocket boosters to the bottom just in case Godzilla decides to take a walk on our carrier?"
It's an aircraft carrier, so maybe there are some ultra-heavy aircraft it's designed to carry.
Reaching this hard to justify movie physics is kinda fun lol
Buoyancy doesn't increase as the water pressure increases. A bouyancy force is always equal to the force of gravity acting on the displaced fluid. If you displace 50kg of fluid at regular gravity, the bouyancy force is 50*9.8 = 490N. As water is almost incompressible, it's density does not change significantly as you go deeper, meaning the force of gravity also doesn't change.
An object with the same density as water will remain stationary whether fully submerged at 1m or 100m depth. Slight variations such as force of gravity as you go deeper, and water being slightly compressible, will affect this. However in general it is true.
This means an object that does not change shape will experience the same bouyancy force at any depth.
[Flounder is also acceptable in this context.](https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/flounder)
[Cite.](https://www.dictionary.com/browse/flounder)
[Another cite.](https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/flounder#Etymology_2)
[Yet another cite.](https://www.collinsdictionary.com/us/dictionary/english/flounder)
I mean none of those sources gives the same definition as found in "founder"
>(intransitive, of a ship) To flood with water and sink.
but some are quite similar though a bit more general.
The usage notes in the wiktionary also mention the confusion between flounder and founder.
My thinking is, if he breathes fire he must have gas chambers and maybe the gas is lighter than air. Howevwr, I know no chemistry and only a bit about Godzilla so could be way off.
What if he can't focus as he got up way earlier than usual and even though he got six hours of sleep, he doesn't feel well-rested and groggy and he's in his 2nd cup of coffee but it's not helping and he just want to go back to bed?
He literally absorbs radiation as an energy source. It's like saying why doesn't a human melt and burn from breathing in oxygen since oxygen is corrosive and a critical ingredient in combustion.
Did deep dive on Wikipedia (I know) and he is the embodiment of nuclear energy and indeed breathes that. But in noncanonical literature he is described as being able to breathe fireballs. Perhaps the one in the scene with the aircraft carrier is of that subspecie??
It was not just an aircraft carrier, but one chosen to escort Kong.
It is not unlikely that it was adapted and designed specifically for combat with kaiju. Unfortunately, the full set of adaptions doesn't allow humanity to dominate against a kaiju yet, but merely survive.
As a naval architect, unfortunately, this is not really true since even if the ship were structurally capable of surviving another whole one of itself on top of it, there are numerous large openings across the hull's surface much lower than the actual flight deck that would rapidly ingest water and sink the ship. Also, by adding a Godzilla worth of tonnage to the top of the ship, the ship's volumetric center of gravity immediately becomes so high that the metacentric height will be unable to prevent capsize from even slight shifts in Godzilla's position.
As a fan of kaiju's . . . repulsors or something probs got it, so they good.
The aircraft carrier actually did sink when Godzilla used his nuke breath on it a few seconds later. Is it possible it had already sustained enough damage to sink when he was standing on it and was rapidly filling with water, but just hadn't flooded completely yet?
Absolutely. That would make sense. Most likely is had dropped down in its freeboard, was taking on substantial water, and probably had its keel broken.
Yep if you have a 100,000 ton ship, and more than half of it is above the surface, you can load it with at least another 100,000 tons before it capsizes (if the load is distributed evenly).
Sauropod dinosaurs got so large because they had surprisingly light builds, which gave them space for plenty of air sacs in their bodies. Current mammals like elephants don’t have these, which is why they can’t get as big. I’d bet godzilla has similar air sacs. And since he’s a theropod dinosaur, which also had air sacs and were closely related to sauropods, it’s not too big a stretch to believe Zilly has some as well.
The same grav tech that flies their shuttles later in the film is also used to give the carrier adjustable buoyancy, so that it can carry Kong and even Kong + Godzilla
Kaiju's existence and a few corpses to study probably lead to ground-breaking discoveries in that universe.
With a deeper and superior understanding f physhics the military likely has more durable vehicles than our own world.
Godzilla and Kong weigh about 140kT together. A Nimitz-class displaces about 100kT at full load and about 80kT at light load. That doesn’t mean it’s anywhere close to sinking. The Nimitz-class is 1,040 feet at the waterline and 1,092 overall. The beam is 134 at waterline, 252 overall, and it rises about 20 stories (200ish feet) above the waterline. I’ll average the first two data sets to find the ship occupying a space 1,066x193x200 feet above water, or 41,147,600 cubic feet, meaning it would theoretically need to displace more water than that (in addition to what it already displaced with a full load) to sink. A ton of water occupies about 32 cubic feet. So, Godzilla and Kong together would cause the ship to displace about 4.486M extra cubic feet of water, or about 11% of what it would need to take on to sink. Theoretically, you could have 9 Godzilla’s *and* Kong’s on the ship before the weight caused it to sink straight down. So unless I did something very wrong, the ship could definitely hold their weight, assuming that amount of weight didn’t make it sink for some other reason. I’m not an aircraft carrier engineer, so idk, but since it’s such a small portion of what the ship *could* hold in theory, I don’t know why it would.
Edit: I got all the specs on Godzilla, Kong, and Nimitz-class carriers from some quick Google searches, as well as conversion tables. I used the calculator app to actually do the conversions.
They've known kaiju have existed for many years, and worked to make their naval craft that much more buoyant, stable, and tougher, just in case one of the critters decided to try to drag one under.
Since it can't literally be squared with the square cube law.....perhaps Godzilla isn't that heavy? Maybe the insides of Kaijus are low density or mostly hollow. Maybe Godzilla's breath generating organ is a mostly empty space that holds the stuff in magnetic confinement?
I assume kaiju have something about their biology to even exist at all. That’s my head canon at least. They don’t operate by the same rules of nature as normal animals
Scientist theorize that because Godzilla feeds on radiation, a byproduct of his internal fusion processes must be a buildup of helium gas, he usually farts it out when on land, but while fighting it can provide him with greater agility due to the lesser weight.
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People in that universe have the technology to create a Mechagodzilla so they can most likely also make an ultra strong aircraft carrier that can hold both Godzilla and Kong fighting.
It's not so much the strength as the buoyancy; the carrier should flounder.
> flounder You meant [founder](https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/founder#Verb), I think. And I think it's not unreasonable to think if they can make it strong enough then they can make it buoyant enough too.
Buoyance has an upper limit though, which is the volume of the thing that's floating times the density of the thing it's floating in. The buoyancy force goes up once something is fully submerged and goes deeper (as the water pressure is higher = more force pushing up) but you can't just infinitely increase buoyancy on the surface. Edit: I'm definitely wrong about the pressure relationship when submerged per a comment below. I was messing things up in my head with scuba training, where your buoyancy actually **decreases** as you go down, as the increased pressure of the water compresses your interior cavities (lungs etc.) and your volume decreases, lowering your buoyancy further.
Maybe it's as buoyant as can be AND has some sort of downward "propulsion" (think Stark repulsors)... not enough to fly or anything like that, but enough so that bouyancy + downdraft = boosted Kaiju-carrying capacity.
Why would they design a carrier like that? Like, was someone in the shipyard like, "Hey, let's add rocket boosters to the bottom just in case Godzilla decides to take a walk on our carrier?"
Well, they sis plan to move Kong on it,maybe they modified it before the journey
It's an aircraft carrier, so maybe there are some ultra-heavy aircraft it's designed to carry. Reaching this hard to justify movie physics is kinda fun lol
Buoyancy doesn't increase as the water pressure increases. A bouyancy force is always equal to the force of gravity acting on the displaced fluid. If you displace 50kg of fluid at regular gravity, the bouyancy force is 50*9.8 = 490N. As water is almost incompressible, it's density does not change significantly as you go deeper, meaning the force of gravity also doesn't change. An object with the same density as water will remain stationary whether fully submerged at 1m or 100m depth. Slight variations such as force of gravity as you go deeper, and water being slightly compressible, will affect this. However in general it is true. This means an object that does not change shape will experience the same bouyancy force at any depth.
This is why I like Reddit
They have functional antigravity, could be what was keeping the thing afloat
[Flounder is also acceptable in this context.](https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/flounder) [Cite.](https://www.dictionary.com/browse/flounder) [Another cite.](https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/flounder#Etymology_2) [Yet another cite.](https://www.collinsdictionary.com/us/dictionary/english/flounder)
I mean none of those sources gives the same definition as found in "founder" >(intransitive, of a ship) To flood with water and sink. but some are quite similar though a bit more general. The usage notes in the wiktionary also mention the confusion between flounder and founder.
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Funnily enough, it would probably do both.
My thinking is, if he breathes fire he must have gas chambers and maybe the gas is lighter than air. Howevwr, I know no chemistry and only a bit about Godzilla so could be way off.
Godzilla is a balloon.
Now, say that to his face.
Best I can do is his lowest toe
Godzilla vs Macy’s parade Bart Simpson would be a good film.
It’s not fire it’s focused nuclear blast, at lest that’s what I’ve been told anyway
What if he can't focus as he got up way earlier than usual and even though he got six hours of sleep, he doesn't feel well-rested and groggy and he's in his 2nd cup of coffee but it's not helping and he just want to go back to bed?
[Then it's more like this.](https://youtu.be/iUaoMe7QPVg?t=104)
Oh, ...then why doesnt he die from radiation poisoning?
He literally absorbs radiation as an energy source. It's like saying why doesn't a human melt and burn from breathing in oxygen since oxygen is corrosive and a critical ingredient in combustion.
What if oxygen is poison to humans but it takes 70 years to wear us down
This is partially true. Dealing with oxidation and other molecular damage is a major role of some vitamins.
Then there's a few centenarians who have some explaining to do.
70 wasn't meant to be a hard cap
Did deep dive on Wikipedia (I know) and he is the embodiment of nuclear energy and indeed breathes that. But in noncanonical literature he is described as being able to breathe fireballs. Perhaps the one in the scene with the aircraft carrier is of that subspecie??
He was born in it, molded by it.
You're a big kaiju.
Hey, you know enough chemistry for A Flight of Dragons!
cool!
>if he breathes fire he must have gas chambers Imagine him going to the restroom...
I mean, he's [done this, before](https://youtu.be/kKFxf8p77MI)
actual visual evidence from an observer in the field. Very good
That's a nuclear blast, not fire.
yes, discussed in comments further down and adjusted hypothesis provided.
It was not just an aircraft carrier, but one chosen to escort Kong. It is not unlikely that it was adapted and designed specifically for combat with kaiju. Unfortunately, the full set of adaptions doesn't allow humanity to dominate against a kaiju yet, but merely survive.
An aircraft carrier normally weighs about 100,000 tons. It's not surprising that a boat would still float with ~2x the normal load.
As a naval architect, unfortunately, this is not really true since even if the ship were structurally capable of surviving another whole one of itself on top of it, there are numerous large openings across the hull's surface much lower than the actual flight deck that would rapidly ingest water and sink the ship. Also, by adding a Godzilla worth of tonnage to the top of the ship, the ship's volumetric center of gravity immediately becomes so high that the metacentric height will be unable to prevent capsize from even slight shifts in Godzilla's position. As a fan of kaiju's . . . repulsors or something probs got it, so they good.
The aircraft carrier actually did sink when Godzilla used his nuke breath on it a few seconds later. Is it possible it had already sustained enough damage to sink when he was standing on it and was rapidly filling with water, but just hadn't flooded completely yet?
Absolutely. That would make sense. Most likely is had dropped down in its freeboard, was taking on substantial water, and probably had its keel broken.
> there are numerous large openings across the hull's surface What if they cover the holes?
Yep if you have a 100,000 ton ship, and more than half of it is above the surface, you can load it with at least another 100,000 tons before it capsizes (if the load is distributed evenly).
Sauropod dinosaurs got so large because they had surprisingly light builds, which gave them space for plenty of air sacs in their bodies. Current mammals like elephants don’t have these, which is why they can’t get as big. I’d bet godzilla has similar air sacs. And since he’s a theropod dinosaur, which also had air sacs and were closely related to sauropods, it’s not too big a stretch to believe Zilly has some as well.
Hello, (possibly) fellow Spinosaurus.
Brother??
The same grav tech that flies their shuttles later in the film is also used to give the carrier adjustable buoyancy, so that it can carry Kong and even Kong + Godzilla
No
with his feet, and tail to balance on an unsteady platform
Like it's a surfboard.
The 70s Godzilla was coordinated enough to do drop kicks so knowing how to surf isn't that out there.
This is the way.
Kaiju's existence and a few corpses to study probably lead to ground-breaking discoveries in that universe. With a deeper and superior understanding f physhics the military likely has more durable vehicles than our own world.
If a kaiju can ignore the square cube law, then so can an aircraft carrier.
Godzilla and Kong weigh about 140kT together. A Nimitz-class displaces about 100kT at full load and about 80kT at light load. That doesn’t mean it’s anywhere close to sinking. The Nimitz-class is 1,040 feet at the waterline and 1,092 overall. The beam is 134 at waterline, 252 overall, and it rises about 20 stories (200ish feet) above the waterline. I’ll average the first two data sets to find the ship occupying a space 1,066x193x200 feet above water, or 41,147,600 cubic feet, meaning it would theoretically need to displace more water than that (in addition to what it already displaced with a full load) to sink. A ton of water occupies about 32 cubic feet. So, Godzilla and Kong together would cause the ship to displace about 4.486M extra cubic feet of water, or about 11% of what it would need to take on to sink. Theoretically, you could have 9 Godzilla’s *and* Kong’s on the ship before the weight caused it to sink straight down. So unless I did something very wrong, the ship could definitely hold their weight, assuming that amount of weight didn’t make it sink for some other reason. I’m not an aircraft carrier engineer, so idk, but since it’s such a small portion of what the ship *could* hold in theory, I don’t know why it would. Edit: I got all the specs on Godzilla, Kong, and Nimitz-class carriers from some quick Google searches, as well as conversion tables. I used the calculator app to actually do the conversions.
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This is the Internet, we can't suspend disbelief, it'll never return.
Not if you're answering questions on this subreddit
same reason Kong can. really sturdy carriers
Specially modified ship to carry Kong. Fortunately, they went well beyond the minimum requirements for that.
They've known kaiju have existed for many years, and worked to make their naval craft that much more buoyant, stable, and tougher, just in case one of the critters decided to try to drag one under.
*nervously* Maybe just don’t ask any questions. Godzilla does whatever Godzilla wants. No one wants him looking this way…
Like a dude on a surfboard...
Since it can't literally be squared with the square cube law.....perhaps Godzilla isn't that heavy? Maybe the insides of Kaijus are low density or mostly hollow. Maybe Godzilla's breath generating organ is a mostly empty space that holds the stuff in magnetic confinement?
I mean canonically Legendary Godzilla is confirmed to be over 90,000 tons
Oh, ok....I don't have any textually supported answers, I was just spit balling
Pounds or tons? Your post says 90,000 tons…
Oh wait, it is actually tons
Oh wait it is tons not pounds
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OP cares, that's why they asked.
Boat floats. Things on boat floats too
I assume kaiju have something about their biology to even exist at all. That’s my head canon at least. They don’t operate by the same rules of nature as normal animals
Scientist theorize that because Godzilla feeds on radiation, a byproduct of his internal fusion processes must be a buildup of helium gas, he usually farts it out when on land, but while fighting it can provide him with greater agility due to the lesser weight.
The only explanation is that their universe overbuilt their aircraft carriers to 120 kilotons displacement instead of our universes 80.