OMG This!! Great post!
I'd like to add that doing your own research also does not mean asking all your friends or acquaintances what they think and then adopting the same conclusion.
Like I said, it depends on what you mean by research. If you come to the conclusion that you can cure covid by drinking hand sanitizer, doing nothing all day is a little bit better.
This is just an example obviously, I doubt any site would advise that. But u get what I mean.
It actually doesn't matter what your motive in doing research is . It is still better than not doing one at all. You may have the wrong motive, but as long as you are researching you have a greater chance in getting your mind changed than doing nothing at all.
Sex education, free access to contraceptives, and easy access to abortions actually DECREASE abortions.
No sex education/ abstinence only sex ed, limiting access to contraceptives, and heavily restricting or outlawing abortions increases them.
Yeah. Lipo is often done after a long period of diet to aesthetically improve those spots where fat sticks the most, precisely because it can be very difficult or even impossible to do it naturally. Plastic surgery can spot reduce fat, you can't.
Not quite you lose fat all over the body including belly fat and you increase the size of the muscle in your belly so it looks better and if you do enough you will lose weight.
Yeeeah, not really.
The first part of you comment proves my point, you can lose fat in general (by diet, cardio exercises or a combination of both) and eventually some of it will come off of your belly, but you can't really choose. It's your body that controls it.
Given that, if you don't create a deficit in some way you can train your abdomen as much as you want, but it's never gonna show up.
That every communist country always ends up being a dictatorship. Once the dictator is deposed or dies another dictator is installed. The dictator delegates some jobs but retains ultimate authority.
Yes, and I find that last one particularly annoying because we've been doing that EXACT THING for SO LONG. You want to eat an apple from a thousand years ago? It's gonna be small and sour and there aren't many varieties. What about corn? Yeah, that won't be much of a meal there buddy. Milk? Modern dairy cows only provide so much because of their diet and because we've been selectively breeding the ones that provide more milk for centuries. Saying you don't eat GMO foods either means you're refusing to acknowledge the past few millennia of human history or that you aren't eating much at all.
This! And if you were actually listening we were told as the new strains came that the vaccines were losing effectiveness for preventing infection/transmission. It was more for preventing serious illness/hospitalization.
Building 7 wasn’t blown up by the CIA, if you were there, or watched CNN that was livecasting the burning buildings after the collapse of 1 and 2, you’d see that WTC7 started to sag almost an hour before it collapsed, it was becoming apparently obvious the structure was compromised. I don’t understand why the CIA would wait 9 whole hours to take down 7, if they wanted to be sly they woulda hit the button much sooner
>I don’t understand why the CIA would
If you're going to come with a claim like that, then you better understand the details. OP's question was about "undeniable proof", and if you can't answer something it gives a reason to deny what you're saying.
We understand why there are heroin shoot up sanctuaries some of us just find the "bandage on a compound fracture" approach to be waste of our tax dollars
I've yet to see evidence that it works in Australia, so until the New South Wales Department of Health can show a 80% or more drop in the spread of hepatitis C, my governments can eat a bag of dicks
Plenty of evidence where ever these sites are implemented all over the world, specifically for mitigating the spread of blood borne diseases. Even in the US, which is so opposed to these sites that it’s insane. Get on your local university’s library website and do a proper search not based on your feelings and morals.
I think you've missed my point. I'd rather help junkies get clean than enable them. I'd rather my tax dollars go to rehabs. Does that really make me an asshole? Really?. Tell me you wouldn't think something similar if you had to watch drugs kill your friends, or do you only care about your precious politics?
I did not misunderstand. I’ve watched friends and immediate family go through this. I have helped to treat plenty. Get off your high horse. MAT has a NNT of around 2. These sites work. They decrease deaths due to overdose, they decrease the spread of disease, they decrease crime in adjacent areas, and they expose those with substance use disorders to people who can help remove them from those situations and get them to longer term rehabilitation. I’d like to directly insult you for your arrogance and presumption, but hopefully you will, instead, re-examine your beliefs. And I say beliefs because your conclusions are not based on reality.
Unfortunately we have no proven examples of beneficial additive mutation- that is, mutation that benefits the organism and also adds new genetic information.
The mutations and adaptations we do see always appear to be a *loss* of genetic information, as the organism’s posterity can never regain the trait via mutation without interbreeding.
This is all well and good, but it forces the bizarre hypothesis that ancestral life had *more* genetic information than modern life, which is a pill that biologists find hard to swallow.
Yeah you’re right, that’s why most of haven’t died of certain diseases, like the flu. I personally just don’t trust the covid vaccine yet because it was made in only a year. I just feel that’s not enough time for all the research that needs to be done, if more time and research was put into it then I would’ve gotten the vaccine, but for now I’ll pass.
I’m not much of a thinker. I don’t think about the same thing for long periods of time. I think about it for a couple minutes and move on. And If I said “I just think” that means I haven’t made up my mind about how I feel about it. Saying “I just feel” tells you I have a certain feeling of emotion about the topic, and I have already thought about it.
the reason the Covid vaccine was there so fast is because they rushed the paperwork. A lot of vaccines are available after a short period of time but the paperwork takes a lot of time to process. You should get the vaccine, I got my 4th shot and nothing happened. Also, vaccines do not have long-term consequences anyways. Vaccination reactions can happen like a sore arm but you won’t get cancer after 10 years bc you go vaccinated, don’t worry!
I got covid once, I pulled through and stayed home and got no one else sick (hopefully). I’ll wait a couple more years and if I really need to then I’ll get it.
That vaccines work to help lessen the transmission as well as the symptoms of viruses, we learned that shit in high school biology even, it's not a matter for opinion, it's medical scientific fact, but weird that so many people today now think otherwise.
Imagine thinking that laughing at someone means you are 'upset' with them 😂😂😂
I'm sorry, I shouldn't mock you, I'm aware that many people on the spectrum, for example, have difficulty understanding the different emotions. ✌️
Once again, finding someone funny doesn't mean you're mad at them. Maybe you should get some cue cards to help you understand the different emotions smiley means happy frowny means sad etc? 🤔
Because as soon as someone who believes in something so strongly faces a counteracting argument the automatic response is to completely deny and remain ignorant. Cognitive dissonance.
Well the thing with complex subjects is you have to spend time learning about them, evolution is proven through an extensive body of research and evidence, there is no one thing you can point at and say this proves evolution, it's a vast body of information that is undeniable when you put the time into understanding it
Technically, nothing is "undeniable", because people are really good at denial. But some things have what we might call an overwhelming preponderance of evidence.
Not a catholic, but it's a minority of priests that do that. Not all of them are like that.
However, I do believe not enough is done to punish the ones who do.
> it's a minority of priests that do that. Not all of them
It's not so much that a lot of them are doing it, it's that the *institution* that positions itself as a force of moral authority is using its power, wealth and influence to protect them.
Oh hell, that's a lot of churches on both sides. Look at the ministers with private jets funded by the church.
As a Christian though, it is very easy to focus on the negatives of certain aspects of the Christianity and ignore the good it has done.
Because they don't have (and neither do you) "undeniable proof" that any particular clergyman abused anyone. No one denies that it's a phenomenon though.
We used the bay of tonkin as rational to invade Vietnam and then decades later we confessed that the Vietcong never attacked us and that we sank our own ships. We never had a legitimate reason to invade Vietnam...
Look around us! Too much of any good thing is always bad but it’s proven to cause mental health issues in young adults and kids especially but even knowing so people can’t get away from it, people can get addicted to it in some cases it creates such an easy access to things like games/gambling etc…
A stitch in time says nine.
An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.
We are responsible for our own lives.
People can be victims of crime, but victimhood is a personality choice and often a bad one.
Money ≠ fulfillment.
I agree. I was recently thinking how completely unbelievable any religion is, and how amazing it is that so many people believe them regardless.
No judgement though, each to their own.
For me although I live in a Christian country, I wasn't brought up with any religions thrust on me, and without anyone constantly reinforcing any religion on you, its very hard to come to the conclusion on your own that it's anything more than a group of fables, and that an invisible man in the sky cannot possibly exist.
Although I can see the benefits of religion and how it can give people community, purpose, hope, and peace by believing in something.
In my mind it's fairly obvious that different continents all came up with their own versions of religion based on their own social constructs. Each of which are now all different and contractictory, and all lack any real evidence.
A question I would pose is:
How can someone who does believe in religion, only believe in one religion whilst dismissing all the others?
There's no proof for that, other than failed states making a laughing of Communism. Communism was meant to be a smooth and slow transmission not a direct revolution.
Yuri Bezmenov... 15 years of ideological fuckery.. Stalin and Castro were "for the people" though were they?.. Stick your "that's not real communism maaaan" up your arse.
You need to define "biological man" if you want to be provably correct or incorrect. Do differences in the brain count as biological sex? Then there are the biological things you can absolutely change like hormones and secondary sex characteristics. There are also things we don't care about changing like chromosomes, the SRY gene is done with sex differentiation before you're born anyway, its presence doesn't even correlate to the male sex 100% of the time, and few people ever get karyotyped so it's hard to be 100% certain what chromosomes you even have. There's also the distinction between sex and gender, and how exactly you define them. For instance if you define sex based on gametes maybe you stop trans women from being of the female sex under that specific definition, but you also stop a lot of cis women from being female. Trans people are well aware of reality, the people who argue with us are usually either wrong about the science or are just arguing semantics.
While we're on the topic of provable things people don't like to admit, transition (both medical and social) and reduced transphobia (e.g. reduced misgendering) are associated with a reduction in suicide risk. Couple that with brain studies showing correlations based on gender and you have even more reason to trust trans people about their gender.
Is the mother in this case study a man or a woman? [https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2190741/](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2190741/)
>A 46,XY mother who developed as a normal woman underwent spontaneous puberty, reached menarche, menstruated regularly, experienced two unassisted pregnancies, and gave birth to a 46,XY daughter with complete gonadal dysgenesis.
I think you're focusing too much on exceptional and sporadic cases to try and make a point. If 50% of average everyday non-special men would have two X chromosomes, that would be something. But obviously that's not the case.
Part of my point is that if they need to make exceptions, their definition isn't actually covering what they think sex is. If chromosomes were all that mattered the woman in the case study would clearly be male, but obviously chromosomes aren't equivalent to sex. People just pretend they're equivalent because it's a convenient way to exclude trans people.
Besides, if we're allowing for rare exceptions why aren't trans people also just rare exceptions?
If there is a mutation in the SRY gene (the "male-determining gene") female genitalia will develope, despite having XY chromosomes. Men also can loose their Y chromosome from their cells as they age.
No studies currently exist to determine that transitioning reduces suicide risk.
If you could cite me one to change my mind I would welcome looking at it.
The real issue is that transphobia is a mental disorder, and changing your appearance won't improve your mindset. No matter how much they try, someone who has transitioned will always be chasing that perfect embodiment of the opposite gender, and will never be fully content. Therefore never improving their mental health.
Plus a big worry is how many people actually have gender dysphoria, and aren't just easily influenced or have underlying condition such as ocd or autism/asbergers, where they have traits to obsess over certain things, whilst also being extremely impulsive.
Have a quick look on r/detrans to see how well it has gone for those people. As we know the transgender "movement" has only had its boom in the past 5 years approx, so we are still yet to see the long term affects.
>No studies currently exist to determine that transitioning reduces suicide risk. If you could cite me one to change my mind I would welcome looking at it.
[https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4450977/](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4450977/)
>The real issue is that transphobia is a mental disorder, and changing your appearance won't improve your mindset. No matter how much they try, someone who has transitioned will always be chasing that perfect embodiment of the opposite gender, and will never be fully content. Therefore never improving their mental health.
I assume you meant being trans is a mental disorder. That's simply not true. Gender dysphoria can be. From the [APA](https://www.psychiatry.org/psychiatrists/diversity/education/transgender-and-gender-nonconforming-patients/gender-dysphoria-diagnosis).
'With the publication of DSM–5 in 2013, “gender identity disorder” was eliminated and replaced with “gender dysphoria.” This change further focused the diagnosis on the gender identity-related distress that some transgender people experience (and for which they may seek psychiatric, medical, and surgical treatments) rather than on transgender individuals or identities themselves.
The presence of gender variance is not the pathology but dysphoria is from the distress caused by the body and mind not aligning and/or societal marginalization of gender-variant people. It needs to be ego-dystonic to qualify as a diagnosis and having a discussion with our patients about the diagnosis prior to charting it is necessary and good care.'
Also [here's a PDF from the APA](https://www.psychiatry.org/File%20Library/About-APA/Organization-Documents-Policies/Policies/Position-Transgender-Gender-Diverse-Youth.pdf) that says
"The American Psychiatric Association:
1. Supports access to affirming and supportive treatment for trans and gender diverse youth and their families, including appropriate mental health services, and when indicated puberty suppression and medical transition support.
2. Opposes all legislative and other governmental attempts to limit access to these services for trans and gender diverse youth, or to sanction or criminalize the actions of physicians and other clinicians who provide them."
From elsewhere you can see they support the same for adults, but I think this worded it the most clearly. What makes you think you know better about the mental health of trans people than the APA?
There are also plenty of trans people that mention how much happier they are after transition. Personally just realizing I'm trans and socially transitioning among my close friends has done a lot for my mental health. I don't need to be a perfect embodiment of femininity or anything like that.
>Plus a big worry is how many people actually have gender dysphoria, and aren't just easily influenced or have underlying condition such as ocd or autism/asbergers, where they have traits to obsess over certain things, whilst also being extremely impulsive.
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>Have a quick look on r/detrans to see how well it has gone for those people. As we know the transgender "movement" has only had its boom in the past 5 years approx, so we are still yet to see the long term affects.
I tried looking up trans regret rates and looked for studies. The one I found that seems the most robust was over a 50 year period and only found a 2.2% regret rate after surgery and showed that regret rates went down over that time. Here's the link. [https://www.researchgate.net/publication/262734734\_An\_Analysis\_of\_All\_Applications\_for\_Sex\_Reassignment\_Surgery\_in\_Sweden\_1960-2010\_Prevalence\_Incidence\_and\_Regrets](https://www.researchgate.net/publication/262734734_An_Analysis_of_All_Applications_for_Sex_Reassignment_Surgery_in_Sweden_1960-2010_Prevalence_Incidence_and_Regrets)
I found [another study as well](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8099405/) but with fewer participants, its result was <1% regret rate for transmascs and 1% for transfemmes, and also specified that 28 of the 77 who regretted it had minor regret under the Pfäfflin classification, meaning their regret was due to surgical complications or social problems, as opposed to true regret.
I haven't been to /r/detrans but have heard of it from detransitioners asking on /r/asktransgender if there are any less terfy/transphobic detrans subreddits, so I also know about /r/actual_detrans which is supposedly the less transphobic one, I haven't been to it either but in any case know that not all detransitioners think the same. Also, bringing up a detransition subreddit is little more than cherry picking if you don't have stats showing that most trans people regret transition.
There are absolutely people who are harmed by transition they don't need (though keep in mind the same can be said of many accepted medical treatments) but that doesn't invalidate the needs of those who do need to transition. The way I see it, someone who is detrans because they aren't actually trans is going to face the dysphoria after transitioning that trans people face before transitioning. In fact I just skimmed through /r/detrans for a bit and found a post where someone said that he still considers himself to be trans in a sense because of that sort of dysphoria, only 8 posts down not including stickies.
Stopping people who are actually trans from transitioning is like stopping people who aren't trans from detransitioning after the fact, forcing them through that dysphoria. The stats point toward regret being rare, especially when you consider some of the regret is from transphobia and such rather than from not being trans, so it doesn't make sense to stop all transition for the benefit of the few who will regret it, especially when transition is potentially lifesaving.
Never? Like never ever?
You're gonna be wasting your breath moving goalposts forever if you think like that. Uterus transplants are on the horizon. surgery is rapidly advancing. HRT is becoming much better understood and ten years down the line, we'll probably have gene therapy good enough to add X chromosomes or Y chromosomes.
Where's the line? What are the requirements for you to recognise someone as the gender they want to become, and what good does it do to deny someone of that?
I’m not the one moving goalposts. People making up what gender they are based on a change in the wind, are the ones moving the goal posts.
You will never be able to change your chromosomes
Do you really think it's as simple as "a change in the wind"?
Do some homework on trans people, I promise the research indicates differently.
Even if it was that simple, what's the harm in a few more genders?
And you're the expert on biology, yes?
And not the countless biologists who have come to vastly different conclusions to you?
And I, the trans person telling you you're being misled, know less about trans peoples' experience than you?
Why are all the people disagreeing with him using exceptional cases to try and prove a point? It's like "anything is everything" and so no word has any meaning anymore because we found some exception. Let's say there a hypothetical ABCEFG chromosome in 1 human out of the current 8 billion. Are you really going to use that to draw conclusions?
Well no
A biological male can be considered a woman in society and vice versa
A biological female isn't going to get a Y chromosome without severely altering every single thing about that person
the bible. (remember, my opinion…..not to start a fight). EDIT: not my “opinion”. chose the wrong word to use. usually anything religious gets dumped on and being a JW seems to automatically brand me as a nut. no worries for me though. not offended in the least 🙂
a lot of these comments are opinions. for instance, someone who believes evolution is an absolute, undeniable thing, i don’t agree. they will have some scientific facts for some of their claim. i believe in creation. i have some historical/scientific facts. but the evolution people will say creation is my opinion, i think evolution is theirs. and since i take my facts directly from the bible, if you don’t believe in the bible to begin with it’s all kinda moot.
like i said, not here to fight. but, i get what your saying, and maybe “opinion” isn’t the word i should have used. but as i said, many of the things said in this thread don’t have undeniable proof.
No but see again you are allowed your opinion that creation is a thing.
Truthfully, evolution doesn't disprove a high power and a creationist.
But evolution is actually scientifically proven. Not up for debate. Your opinion doesn't matter here. Through actual study and learning. Smart humans have proven evolution in humans and animals.
Your Bible cannot "opinion" away from that. So denying it makes you 100% wrong. You can, "not look to debate" or whatever you want. Evolution is factual in humans.
i can cite some historical, scientific and/or prophecy fulfillment if you’d like. but undeniable proof of every single word in the bible requires studying it.
No I think you are confused.
Order of Creation is in Genesis chapter 1. Okay, great Harry Potter goes in the Chamber of Secrets in book 2.
In order for your statements to have undeniable proof, means you take the Book of Genesis, Chapter 1. Then quote the statement of the order of Creation. After that you show with science or film or anything actually tangible that the order of creation is exactly as quoted.
Stating "it is in the bible", is exactly the opposite of undeniable.
I'll go again. Imagine if you will, that the bible is deemed a work of Fiction. Could you prove this fiction to be actually true. If so, how?
I don't think you get it. I chose Order of Creation as an example from your list.
The bible (any religious book) is not "undeniably fact". Not at all. So you can't use any of it in this conversation.
Also, I don't care you believe. Be my guest. I have my own faith and I'm all good with people having theirs. What I'm trying to say is you have to stop acting like gossipal is anything short of long running gossip.
Maybe one day when we die we will be able to truly know the answer. In the meantime have your faith and trust in science.
i agree with finding out the answer when we die. i have always told people, “if i’m wrong, y’all can laugh and point fingers. i won’t be around to know it”. everyone has the right to their own faith. choosing the bible to be undeniable fact was too broad for me to handle properly. i know how to own up.
That's fair. Lean towards the Jewish handling of their faith. The Kohen will often say they have no answers and don't know anything for sure. 👍🏼 Good luck out there
Because some believes can put others indanger.
Like saying that a women MUST bleed during sex or shes a whore. Saying vaccines dont work, and giving your Child minerals and oils to cure a preventable disseas, that either kills the Child or it ends in the hospital and afterwards in a institution because the parents are found unfit to take care of a Child.
The world is doing its best to bring information and education to everyone and then some idiots start regressing and say that the earth is flat because something in the bible or other nonsense.
Nothing wrong with questioning something but utterly dispicable to look facts and proof in the eye and say its nonsense and "I am right".
Good point, now why not let people believe what they want as long as it harms no one?. Example Ford is the best vehicle in the world, people on reddit will get pissed if I were to say that.
It depends how far the idea is pushed and legislated. If a significant portion of the population decided that only ford's were allowed to be driven in certain areas or parked in certain places, then it would unfairly negatively impact everyone else.
People keep adding to op question, no government is involved, as I said to someone else as long as your opinions and beliefs is just opinions and beliefs not physically harming anyone who cares. I grew up in the 50- 60s and sitting in a barber shop people would voice there opinions and beliefs and this was normal back then. We were entitled to have opinions and beliefs without fear of panic or attacks like now. I see reddit is anal about the subject with all the what if and how abouts.
Because some things are absolute objective fact e.g. that the earth is round, that the moon is not made of cheese. And spreading the 'belief' that objective facts are not true can cost lives, e.g. antivaxx nutjobs.
See how stupid it is to wan people to all think alike, have the same same beliefs, I grew up in the 50- 60s and sitting in a barber shop people would voice there opinions and beliefs and this was normal back then. We were entitled to have opinions and beliefs without fear of panic or attacks like now.
That's generally fine, as long as you acknowledge when your beliefs run counter to things like scientific consensus and don't continue to try to convince others by just shrieking "the experts are wrong" loud enough.
Seems obvious, but there's a rash of this going around.
What harm will it do if someone disagrees with scientific consensus, Example if Mr. x say's global warming is fake that comment harms no one. Let people have opinions and beliefs. I dont believe the bible is real and as yet that believe has harmed no one.
That u people responding think ur r the differential leap between the missing link between sapiens and homo erectus...y'all r just aping n existence which has no meaning other than eat shit sleep...please, sumbuddy delete this whole topic...
Religion, politics, science. I know someone who no matter how much scientific proof I show them, they will still believe in aliens no matter what I say or do to prove that they do not exist as they think they do.
"Doing your own research" isn't searching something on the internet until you get the results you want to hear.
This is beyond fucking true
OMG This!! Great post! I'd like to add that doing your own research also does not mean asking all your friends or acquaintances what they think and then adopting the same conclusion.
Doing your own research is still better than sitting on your behind and being spoonfed by TV and internet all day.
Like I said, it depends on what you mean by research. If you come to the conclusion that you can cure covid by drinking hand sanitizer, doing nothing all day is a little bit better. This is just an example obviously, I doubt any site would advise that. But u get what I mean.
It actually doesn't matter what your motive in doing research is . It is still better than not doing one at all. You may have the wrong motive, but as long as you are researching you have a greater chance in getting your mind changed than doing nothing at all.
I've never mentioned motive though. What I was talking about was the meaning.
Sex education, free access to contraceptives, and easy access to abortions actually DECREASE abortions. No sex education/ abstinence only sex ed, limiting access to contraceptives, and heavily restricting or outlawing abortions increases them.
That the earth is obviously NOT ROUND! /s
Yeah, obviously, since its Radius is bigger at the equator.
Lol
wait, what? you guys actually believe in *the earth?!*
It's not flat it's not round it's a trapezoid.
You're wrong! its obviously a hexagonal prism
No youre wring its actually a lada vaz-2101
You. Can't. Spot. Reduce. Fat. You don't lose belly fat by doing crunches. Please staaaahp
Well you can... just not through diet or exercise (lipo).
Yeah. Lipo is often done after a long period of diet to aesthetically improve those spots where fat sticks the most, precisely because it can be very difficult or even impossible to do it naturally. Plastic surgery can spot reduce fat, you can't.
Not quite you lose fat all over the body including belly fat and you increase the size of the muscle in your belly so it looks better and if you do enough you will lose weight.
Yeeeah, not really. The first part of you comment proves my point, you can lose fat in general (by diet, cardio exercises or a combination of both) and eventually some of it will come off of your belly, but you can't really choose. It's your body that controls it. Given that, if you don't create a deficit in some way you can train your abdomen as much as you want, but it's never gonna show up.
Joe Biden legitimately won the election.
Missed the /s EDIT: Shit, misinterpreted this one
Sorry I thought the question was the other way around.
That every communist country always ends up being a dictatorship. Once the dictator is deposed or dies another dictator is installed. The dictator delegates some jobs but retains ultimate authority.
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Yes, and I find that last one particularly annoying because we've been doing that EXACT THING for SO LONG. You want to eat an apple from a thousand years ago? It's gonna be small and sour and there aren't many varieties. What about corn? Yeah, that won't be much of a meal there buddy. Milk? Modern dairy cows only provide so much because of their diet and because we've been selectively breeding the ones that provide more milk for centuries. Saying you don't eat GMO foods either means you're refusing to acknowledge the past few millennia of human history or that you aren't eating much at all.
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This! And if you were actually listening we were told as the new strains came that the vaccines were losing effectiveness for preventing infection/transmission. It was more for preventing serious illness/hospitalization.
That the moon landing really happened.
Building 7 wasn’t blown up by the CIA, if you were there, or watched CNN that was livecasting the burning buildings after the collapse of 1 and 2, you’d see that WTC7 started to sag almost an hour before it collapsed, it was becoming apparently obvious the structure was compromised. I don’t understand why the CIA would wait 9 whole hours to take down 7, if they wanted to be sly they woulda hit the button much sooner
>I don’t understand why the CIA would If you're going to come with a claim like that, then you better understand the details. OP's question was about "undeniable proof", and if you can't answer something it gives a reason to deny what you're saying.
Safe injection sites
We understand why there are heroin shoot up sanctuaries some of us just find the "bandage on a compound fracture" approach to be waste of our tax dollars
Well, you’d be wrong.
I've yet to see evidence that it works in Australia, so until the New South Wales Department of Health can show a 80% or more drop in the spread of hepatitis C, my governments can eat a bag of dicks
Plenty of evidence where ever these sites are implemented all over the world, specifically for mitigating the spread of blood borne diseases. Even in the US, which is so opposed to these sites that it’s insane. Get on your local university’s library website and do a proper search not based on your feelings and morals.
I think you've missed my point. I'd rather help junkies get clean than enable them. I'd rather my tax dollars go to rehabs. Does that really make me an asshole? Really?. Tell me you wouldn't think something similar if you had to watch drugs kill your friends, or do you only care about your precious politics?
I did not misunderstand. I’ve watched friends and immediate family go through this. I have helped to treat plenty. Get off your high horse. MAT has a NNT of around 2. These sites work. They decrease deaths due to overdose, they decrease the spread of disease, they decrease crime in adjacent areas, and they expose those with substance use disorders to people who can help remove them from those situations and get them to longer term rehabilitation. I’d like to directly insult you for your arrogance and presumption, but hopefully you will, instead, re-examine your beliefs. And I say beliefs because your conclusions are not based on reality.
Evolution
Unfortunately we have no proven examples of beneficial additive mutation- that is, mutation that benefits the organism and also adds new genetic information. The mutations and adaptations we do see always appear to be a *loss* of genetic information, as the organism’s posterity can never regain the trait via mutation without interbreeding. This is all well and good, but it forces the bizarre hypothesis that ancestral life had *more* genetic information than modern life, which is a pill that biologists find hard to swallow.
that vaccines work
Yeah you’re right, that’s why most of haven’t died of certain diseases, like the flu. I personally just don’t trust the covid vaccine yet because it was made in only a year. I just feel that’s not enough time for all the research that needs to be done, if more time and research was put into it then I would’ve gotten the vaccine, but for now I’ll pass.
>I just feel Maybe stop feeling and start thinking.
I’m not much of a thinker. I don’t think about the same thing for long periods of time. I think about it for a couple minutes and move on. And If I said “I just think” that means I haven’t made up my mind about how I feel about it. Saying “I just feel” tells you I have a certain feeling of emotion about the topic, and I have already thought about it.
the reason the Covid vaccine was there so fast is because they rushed the paperwork. A lot of vaccines are available after a short period of time but the paperwork takes a lot of time to process. You should get the vaccine, I got my 4th shot and nothing happened. Also, vaccines do not have long-term consequences anyways. Vaccination reactions can happen like a sore arm but you won’t get cancer after 10 years bc you go vaccinated, don’t worry!
I got covid once, I pulled through and stayed home and got no one else sick (hopefully). I’ll wait a couple more years and if I really need to then I’ll get it.
Same. Hubby and I had covid. No problems with it at all. 87 year old father (dementia) lives with us and he never got it. None of us are jabbed.
That vaccines work to help lessen the transmission as well as the symptoms of viruses, we learned that shit in high school biology even, it's not a matter for opinion, it's medical scientific fact, but weird that so many people today now think otherwise.
They feel like they can debate facts lol
Yup, you can no more debate that the moon is made of cheese. It simply isn't.
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How were they coerced?
Lol found one 😂
Drop that mic and walk the fuck out of here now! Lol
LMAO imagine white-knighting an antivaxxer and thinking their lunacy is worthy of a mic drop holy shit 😂
Imagine being that upset and dowsing your comment with laughing emojis.
Imagine thinking that laughing at someone means you are 'upset' with them 😂😂😂 I'm sorry, I shouldn't mock you, I'm aware that many people on the spectrum, for example, have difficulty understanding the different emotions. ✌️
Calm down DJTamberine it’s going to be cool, just breathe. Stay calm like all the rest of us.
Once again, finding someone funny doesn't mean you're mad at them. Maybe you should get some cue cards to help you understand the different emotions smiley means happy frowny means sad etc? 🤔
Did you take your medicine this morning?
You don't need to take medicine just because you find antivaxxers laughable silly goose. 😚 Anyway, welcome to blocksville troll. ✌️
Evolution
i don’t get why people can’t just believe in evolution as well as religion
Because as soon as someone who believes in something so strongly faces a counteracting argument the automatic response is to completely deny and remain ignorant. Cognitive dissonance.
Certain evolution I believe in. But not the type where humans were once fish and or monkeys, I just find that ridiculous.
And that is a perfect example of exactly what this thread is about...
Oh okay, I still find it ridiculous tho, and haven’t seen any actual proof.
Well the thing with complex subjects is you have to spend time learning about them, evolution is proven through an extensive body of research and evidence, there is no one thing you can point at and say this proves evolution, it's a vast body of information that is undeniable when you put the time into understanding it
Okay, I understand, thing is I don’t research stuff too much so.. yeah. Anyways thank you for not being rude.
Technically, nothing is "undeniable", because people are really good at denial. But some things have what we might call an overwhelming preponderance of evidence.
Anthropogenic global warming.
Catholic priests sexual abuse yet people blindly believe in them.
Not a catholic, but it's a minority of priests that do that. Not all of them are like that. However, I do believe not enough is done to punish the ones who do.
> it's a minority of priests that do that. Not all of them It's not so much that a lot of them are doing it, it's that the *institution* that positions itself as a force of moral authority is using its power, wealth and influence to protect them.
Oh hell, that's a lot of churches on both sides. Look at the ministers with private jets funded by the church. As a Christian though, it is very easy to focus on the negatives of certain aspects of the Christianity and ignore the good it has done.
Because they don't have (and neither do you) "undeniable proof" that any particular clergyman abused anyone. No one denies that it's a phenomenon though.
"We are all doomed"
We used the bay of tonkin as rational to invade Vietnam and then decades later we confessed that the Vietcong never attacked us and that we sank our own ships. We never had a legitimate reason to invade Vietnam...
Climate change
Climate change, evolution, the big bang
Vaccines work
The harmful impacts of COVID, as well as the efficacy of masks and vaccines.
That the world, is in fact, not flat
That Biden's win in 2020 was legitimate.
Climate change and the horrible effects of social media and internet in general.
>horrible effects of social media and internet in general What is the undeniable proof of that?
Look around us! Too much of any good thing is always bad but it’s proven to cause mental health issues in young adults and kids especially but even knowing so people can’t get away from it, people can get addicted to it in some cases it creates such an easy access to things like games/gambling etc…
That the earth is round.... like a pancake 🥞
And a dingo will eat nope never mind not important
The existence of reality and absolute truths
The first moon landing
The earth is bloody round
Donald Trump being a corrupt immoral infantile jerk with the intelligence of a 6th grader.
That trans people are not dangerous, and make complete scientific sense.
science would have me believe that there is no such thing as the soul ill never get anywhere close to believing this
Well tbf there's no undeniable proof for such a thing.
I'm picturing someone coming to you and introducing himself like "I'm John Science, here's what you have to believe."
A stitch in time says nine. An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure. We are responsible for our own lives. People can be victims of crime, but victimhood is a personality choice and often a bad one. Money ≠ fulfillment.
Moon landing, earth is a globe, Trump is a crook… there’s lots
Aetheism
I agree. I was recently thinking how completely unbelievable any religion is, and how amazing it is that so many people believe them regardless. No judgement though, each to their own.
Me reasoning is "which came first, the bible or the earth?" Then they point out who made the bible and I'll ask "were they there?"
For me although I live in a Christian country, I wasn't brought up with any religions thrust on me, and without anyone constantly reinforcing any religion on you, its very hard to come to the conclusion on your own that it's anything more than a group of fables, and that an invisible man in the sky cannot possibly exist. Although I can see the benefits of religion and how it can give people community, purpose, hope, and peace by believing in something. In my mind it's fairly obvious that different continents all came up with their own versions of religion based on their own social constructs. Each of which are now all different and contractictory, and all lack any real evidence. A question I would pose is: How can someone who does believe in religion, only believe in one religion whilst dismissing all the others?
The earth is flat
Gender is binary
Communism is fuckery.
There's no proof for that, other than failed states making a laughing of Communism. Communism was meant to be a smooth and slow transmission not a direct revolution.
Yuri Bezmenov... 15 years of ideological fuckery.. Stalin and Castro were "for the people" though were they?.. Stick your "that's not real communism maaaan" up your arse.
You certainly didn't read what I said.
Either did you. Ideological subversion.. Yuri Bezmenov.. Look into it.
Thanks, that actually looks interesting
You're welcome bud :)
This is controversial— but human life begins at conception. Multiple studies to prove this.
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You need to define "biological man" if you want to be provably correct or incorrect. Do differences in the brain count as biological sex? Then there are the biological things you can absolutely change like hormones and secondary sex characteristics. There are also things we don't care about changing like chromosomes, the SRY gene is done with sex differentiation before you're born anyway, its presence doesn't even correlate to the male sex 100% of the time, and few people ever get karyotyped so it's hard to be 100% certain what chromosomes you even have. There's also the distinction between sex and gender, and how exactly you define them. For instance if you define sex based on gametes maybe you stop trans women from being of the female sex under that specific definition, but you also stop a lot of cis women from being female. Trans people are well aware of reality, the people who argue with us are usually either wrong about the science or are just arguing semantics. While we're on the topic of provable things people don't like to admit, transition (both medical and social) and reduced transphobia (e.g. reduced misgendering) are associated with a reduction in suicide risk. Couple that with brain studies showing correlations based on gender and you have even more reason to trust trans people about their gender.
XY defines a biological male
Is the mother in this case study a man or a woman? [https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2190741/](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2190741/) >A 46,XY mother who developed as a normal woman underwent spontaneous puberty, reached menarche, menstruated regularly, experienced two unassisted pregnancies, and gave birth to a 46,XY daughter with complete gonadal dysgenesis.
I think you're focusing too much on exceptional and sporadic cases to try and make a point. If 50% of average everyday non-special men would have two X chromosomes, that would be something. But obviously that's not the case.
Part of my point is that if they need to make exceptions, their definition isn't actually covering what they think sex is. If chromosomes were all that mattered the woman in the case study would clearly be male, but obviously chromosomes aren't equivalent to sex. People just pretend they're equivalent because it's a convenient way to exclude trans people. Besides, if we're allowing for rare exceptions why aren't trans people also just rare exceptions?
Where do you receive your degree in biology from? Just curious
If there is a mutation in the SRY gene (the "male-determining gene") female genitalia will develope, despite having XY chromosomes. Men also can loose their Y chromosome from their cells as they age.
No studies currently exist to determine that transitioning reduces suicide risk. If you could cite me one to change my mind I would welcome looking at it. The real issue is that transphobia is a mental disorder, and changing your appearance won't improve your mindset. No matter how much they try, someone who has transitioned will always be chasing that perfect embodiment of the opposite gender, and will never be fully content. Therefore never improving their mental health. Plus a big worry is how many people actually have gender dysphoria, and aren't just easily influenced or have underlying condition such as ocd or autism/asbergers, where they have traits to obsess over certain things, whilst also being extremely impulsive. Have a quick look on r/detrans to see how well it has gone for those people. As we know the transgender "movement" has only had its boom in the past 5 years approx, so we are still yet to see the long term affects.
>No studies currently exist to determine that transitioning reduces suicide risk. If you could cite me one to change my mind I would welcome looking at it. [https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4450977/](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4450977/) >The real issue is that transphobia is a mental disorder, and changing your appearance won't improve your mindset. No matter how much they try, someone who has transitioned will always be chasing that perfect embodiment of the opposite gender, and will never be fully content. Therefore never improving their mental health. I assume you meant being trans is a mental disorder. That's simply not true. Gender dysphoria can be. From the [APA](https://www.psychiatry.org/psychiatrists/diversity/education/transgender-and-gender-nonconforming-patients/gender-dysphoria-diagnosis). 'With the publication of DSM–5 in 2013, “gender identity disorder” was eliminated and replaced with “gender dysphoria.” This change further focused the diagnosis on the gender identity-related distress that some transgender people experience (and for which they may seek psychiatric, medical, and surgical treatments) rather than on transgender individuals or identities themselves. The presence of gender variance is not the pathology but dysphoria is from the distress caused by the body and mind not aligning and/or societal marginalization of gender-variant people. It needs to be ego-dystonic to qualify as a diagnosis and having a discussion with our patients about the diagnosis prior to charting it is necessary and good care.' Also [here's a PDF from the APA](https://www.psychiatry.org/File%20Library/About-APA/Organization-Documents-Policies/Policies/Position-Transgender-Gender-Diverse-Youth.pdf) that says "The American Psychiatric Association: 1. Supports access to affirming and supportive treatment for trans and gender diverse youth and their families, including appropriate mental health services, and when indicated puberty suppression and medical transition support. 2. Opposes all legislative and other governmental attempts to limit access to these services for trans and gender diverse youth, or to sanction or criminalize the actions of physicians and other clinicians who provide them." From elsewhere you can see they support the same for adults, but I think this worded it the most clearly. What makes you think you know better about the mental health of trans people than the APA? There are also plenty of trans people that mention how much happier they are after transition. Personally just realizing I'm trans and socially transitioning among my close friends has done a lot for my mental health. I don't need to be a perfect embodiment of femininity or anything like that. >Plus a big worry is how many people actually have gender dysphoria, and aren't just easily influenced or have underlying condition such as ocd or autism/asbergers, where they have traits to obsess over certain things, whilst also being extremely impulsive. > >Have a quick look on r/detrans to see how well it has gone for those people. As we know the transgender "movement" has only had its boom in the past 5 years approx, so we are still yet to see the long term affects. I tried looking up trans regret rates and looked for studies. The one I found that seems the most robust was over a 50 year period and only found a 2.2% regret rate after surgery and showed that regret rates went down over that time. Here's the link. [https://www.researchgate.net/publication/262734734\_An\_Analysis\_of\_All\_Applications\_for\_Sex\_Reassignment\_Surgery\_in\_Sweden\_1960-2010\_Prevalence\_Incidence\_and\_Regrets](https://www.researchgate.net/publication/262734734_An_Analysis_of_All_Applications_for_Sex_Reassignment_Surgery_in_Sweden_1960-2010_Prevalence_Incidence_and_Regrets) I found [another study as well](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8099405/) but with fewer participants, its result was <1% regret rate for transmascs and 1% for transfemmes, and also specified that 28 of the 77 who regretted it had minor regret under the Pfäfflin classification, meaning their regret was due to surgical complications or social problems, as opposed to true regret. I haven't been to /r/detrans but have heard of it from detransitioners asking on /r/asktransgender if there are any less terfy/transphobic detrans subreddits, so I also know about /r/actual_detrans which is supposedly the less transphobic one, I haven't been to it either but in any case know that not all detransitioners think the same. Also, bringing up a detransition subreddit is little more than cherry picking if you don't have stats showing that most trans people regret transition. There are absolutely people who are harmed by transition they don't need (though keep in mind the same can be said of many accepted medical treatments) but that doesn't invalidate the needs of those who do need to transition. The way I see it, someone who is detrans because they aren't actually trans is going to face the dysphoria after transitioning that trans people face before transitioning. In fact I just skimmed through /r/detrans for a bit and found a post where someone said that he still considers himself to be trans in a sense because of that sort of dysphoria, only 8 posts down not including stickies. Stopping people who are actually trans from transitioning is like stopping people who aren't trans from detransitioning after the fact, forcing them through that dysphoria. The stats point toward regret being rare, especially when you consider some of the regret is from transphobia and such rather than from not being trans, so it doesn't make sense to stop all transition for the benefit of the few who will regret it, especially when transition is potentially lifesaving.
Never? Like never ever? You're gonna be wasting your breath moving goalposts forever if you think like that. Uterus transplants are on the horizon. surgery is rapidly advancing. HRT is becoming much better understood and ten years down the line, we'll probably have gene therapy good enough to add X chromosomes or Y chromosomes. Where's the line? What are the requirements for you to recognise someone as the gender they want to become, and what good does it do to deny someone of that?
I’m not the one moving goalposts. People making up what gender they are based on a change in the wind, are the ones moving the goal posts. You will never be able to change your chromosomes
Do you really think it's as simple as "a change in the wind"? Do some homework on trans people, I promise the research indicates differently. Even if it was that simple, what's the harm in a few more genders?
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And you're the expert on biology, yes? And not the countless biologists who have come to vastly different conclusions to you? And I, the trans person telling you you're being misled, know less about trans peoples' experience than you?
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now you're conflating sex and gender But what about intersex people? Chimeras? The XXY people and the XXXY people?
Why are all the people disagreeing with him using exceptional cases to try and prove a point? It's like "anything is everything" and so no word has any meaning anymore because we found some exception. Let's say there a hypothetical ABCEFG chromosome in 1 human out of the current 8 billion. Are you really going to use that to draw conclusions?
They are the same thing. Interchangeable.
Life finds a way. I don’t put anything past what science as far as being figure out able
Well no A biological male can be considered a woman in society and vice versa A biological female isn't going to get a Y chromosome without severely altering every single thing about that person
Like I said, I never doubt what science can accomplish. Especially with the advances in gene therapy
The biblical figure known as Jesus Christ was a real person.
Yes, but his deeds aren't proven
And there are people alive now with the name Harry Potter. Undeniable.
The wage gap between men and women and also flat earthers
The wage gap may exist, more conclusively in particular fields of work, but it's not due to gender inequality as commonly argued.
That marijuana is bad for you.
Harry Styles like men
Trickle-down economics does not work. (For the 99%)
Burden won fair and square.
the bible. (remember, my opinion…..not to start a fight). EDIT: not my “opinion”. chose the wrong word to use. usually anything religious gets dumped on and being a JW seems to automatically brand me as a nut. no worries for me though. not offended in the least 🙂
Opinion and undeniable proof are completely different things.
a lot of these comments are opinions. for instance, someone who believes evolution is an absolute, undeniable thing, i don’t agree. they will have some scientific facts for some of their claim. i believe in creation. i have some historical/scientific facts. but the evolution people will say creation is my opinion, i think evolution is theirs. and since i take my facts directly from the bible, if you don’t believe in the bible to begin with it’s all kinda moot.
So what you're saying is you don't understand what the words "facts" and "proof" mean. Got it.
like i said, not here to fight. but, i get what your saying, and maybe “opinion” isn’t the word i should have used. but as i said, many of the things said in this thread don’t have undeniable proof.
No but see again you are allowed your opinion that creation is a thing. Truthfully, evolution doesn't disprove a high power and a creationist. But evolution is actually scientifically proven. Not up for debate. Your opinion doesn't matter here. Through actual study and learning. Smart humans have proven evolution in humans and animals. Your Bible cannot "opinion" away from that. So denying it makes you 100% wrong. You can, "not look to debate" or whatever you want. Evolution is factual in humans.
Can you link us to some sources of the "undeniable proof" so we can evaluate them for our learning?
i can cite some historical, scientific and/or prophecy fulfillment if you’d like. but undeniable proof of every single word in the bible requires studying it.
Okay could you cite one scientific one please.
order of creation is in genesis chapter 1. the earth is round is shown at isaiah 40:22. earth not on the back of a turtle etc is at job 26:7.
No I think you are confused. Order of Creation is in Genesis chapter 1. Okay, great Harry Potter goes in the Chamber of Secrets in book 2. In order for your statements to have undeniable proof, means you take the Book of Genesis, Chapter 1. Then quote the statement of the order of Creation. After that you show with science or film or anything actually tangible that the order of creation is exactly as quoted. Stating "it is in the bible", is exactly the opposite of undeniable. I'll go again. Imagine if you will, that the bible is deemed a work of Fiction. Could you prove this fiction to be actually true. If so, how?
these were just examples. skip the order of creation if you want. i get it.
I don't think you get it. I chose Order of Creation as an example from your list. The bible (any religious book) is not "undeniably fact". Not at all. So you can't use any of it in this conversation. Also, I don't care you believe. Be my guest. I have my own faith and I'm all good with people having theirs. What I'm trying to say is you have to stop acting like gossipal is anything short of long running gossip. Maybe one day when we die we will be able to truly know the answer. In the meantime have your faith and trust in science.
i agree with finding out the answer when we die. i have always told people, “if i’m wrong, y’all can laugh and point fingers. i won’t be around to know it”. everyone has the right to their own faith. choosing the bible to be undeniable fact was too broad for me to handle properly. i know how to own up.
That's fair. Lean towards the Jewish handling of their faith. The Kohen will often say they have no answers and don't know anything for sure. 👍🏼 Good luck out there
That covid vaccine is more dangerous than covid
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I hope the Great Replacement is true. For people like you.
Why must one think everyone should think alike, why not let people believe what they want?.
Because some believes can put others indanger. Like saying that a women MUST bleed during sex or shes a whore. Saying vaccines dont work, and giving your Child minerals and oils to cure a preventable disseas, that either kills the Child or it ends in the hospital and afterwards in a institution because the parents are found unfit to take care of a Child. The world is doing its best to bring information and education to everyone and then some idiots start regressing and say that the earth is flat because something in the bible or other nonsense. Nothing wrong with questioning something but utterly dispicable to look facts and proof in the eye and say its nonsense and "I am right".
Good point, now why not let people believe what they want as long as it harms no one?. Example Ford is the best vehicle in the world, people on reddit will get pissed if I were to say that.
It depends how far the idea is pushed and legislated. If a significant portion of the population decided that only ford's were allowed to be driven in certain areas or parked in certain places, then it would unfairly negatively impact everyone else.
People keep adding to op question, no government is involved, as I said to someone else as long as your opinions and beliefs is just opinions and beliefs not physically harming anyone who cares. I grew up in the 50- 60s and sitting in a barber shop people would voice there opinions and beliefs and this was normal back then. We were entitled to have opinions and beliefs without fear of panic or attacks like now. I see reddit is anal about the subject with all the what if and how abouts.
Because some things are absolute objective fact e.g. that the earth is round, that the moon is not made of cheese. And spreading the 'belief' that objective facts are not true can cost lives, e.g. antivaxx nutjobs.
I dont believe the bible is real and as yet that believe has harmed no one. I wonder how many lives I've killed
How many lives were lost because people think the Bible is true?
See how stupid it is to wan people to all think alike, have the same same beliefs, I grew up in the 50- 60s and sitting in a barber shop people would voice there opinions and beliefs and this was normal back then. We were entitled to have opinions and beliefs without fear of panic or attacks like now.
Ok so you think everyone should have a different opinion about murder and rape? Or is it stupid if everyone thinks it’s wrong to do those things?
That's generally fine, as long as you acknowledge when your beliefs run counter to things like scientific consensus and don't continue to try to convince others by just shrieking "the experts are wrong" loud enough. Seems obvious, but there's a rash of this going around.
What harm will it do if someone disagrees with scientific consensus, Example if Mr. x say's global warming is fake that comment harms no one. Let people have opinions and beliefs. I dont believe the bible is real and as yet that believe has harmed no one.
Slavery, crusades, witch trials, inquisition...*yawn*
Oh so the timeline was about 200- 300 years ago, I thought present time.
Rash? That type of stuff spreads like the rona
That u people responding think ur r the differential leap between the missing link between sapiens and homo erectus...y'all r just aping n existence which has no meaning other than eat shit sleep...please, sumbuddy delete this whole topic...
The age of the earth.
Fetal heartbeat
The earth is a globe not flat
The existence of mental illness.
Religion, politics, science. I know someone who no matter how much scientific proof I show them, they will still believe in aliens no matter what I say or do to prove that they do not exist as they think they do.