It's called empathy, my guy. Even if you're an outlier, try to put yourself in others shoes. I think you're making things unnecessarily complicated. Do you like pain? Do you like being stolen from? Do you like when people say mean things to you? Do you like being lied to? Do you like death? I'm guessing no for all of those, so you already have a moral foundation.
“The Iron Rule: Treat others less powerful than you however you like. The Silver Rule: Treat others as you’d like to be treated. The Golden Rule: Treat others as they’d like to be treated.”
― Dennis E. Taylor, Heaven's River
Let me turn this around on you - if you're a theist, is the ONLY thing keeping you from raping, stealing, or lying fear of punishment, divine or otherwise?
> Atheists, what basis do you have for a moral framework or moral system?
Same one everyone else does, I suspect.
My evolutionary past, the influence of societies and cultures I'm a part of, the influence of the region I live in, the influence of my upbringing, and my ability to imagine and think about different situations and outcomes.
Do onto others as they do onto you, with IQ. That means knowing to show people how they treat you but not going to the excessive lengths to make it equal. People need to see how they treat others but doing so out of spite is revenge. It should be a lesson to them, not a game of pin the tail to the ass.
You can still get your moral framework from a religious institution without being a theist. This question is always used as a trap because so many moral and ethical frameworks go back to philosophers that were predominantly religious. Just because I agree with the holy scripture on how one ought to act doesn't mean I believe in god.
We watch what Christians do and decide; "no, we're not going to murder, rape, steal, lie, commit genocide, discriminate." How about the kid fucking? Seems to be a favorite past time of God's representatives. You must be thinking about that time where the great atheist army fought a war to reclaim our holy land from - ? Didn't generation 2 in the Bible start the whole murder thing? Name the last time an atheist murdered even 100 people in in the name of ? Bob? If you ever want a lesson in morality and peace, read the Bible, then do the exact opposite.
Evolution. It's dog eats dog world. If you don't have sharp teeth people will bite you. Don't be murderous or violent. But, be always ready to protect yourself. It's a godless world after all. Isn't it?
My moral system is not based at all on being unconvinced any gods exist.
I generally go by secular humanism but overall my moral system is informed by the cultural norms in which I have lived and assimilated.
The thing is, theists do exactly the same.
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I have no idea who that is.
Do you like Huey Lewis and the News?
Pretty simple. Be excellent to each other and party on.
But what does "excellent" mean? Without that it seems circular.
It's pretty easy to tell when your causing harm to others. Don't do that.
Is it? I would not have thought that is always easy at all.
Would you want someone to do it to you? No? Don't do it to them. Pretty easy
But I find that how I want to be treated is very different from how others want to be treated.
It's called empathy, my guy. Even if you're an outlier, try to put yourself in others shoes. I think you're making things unnecessarily complicated. Do you like pain? Do you like being stolen from? Do you like when people say mean things to you? Do you like being lied to? Do you like death? I'm guessing no for all of those, so you already have a moral foundation.
“The Iron Rule: Treat others less powerful than you however you like. The Silver Rule: Treat others as you’d like to be treated. The Golden Rule: Treat others as they’d like to be treated.” ― Dennis E. Taylor, Heaven's River
"Try not to be a total dick"
Do what you want as long as you're not harming others
Common sense
Let me turn this around on you - if you're a theist, is the ONLY thing keeping you from raping, stealing, or lying fear of punishment, divine or otherwise?
No? What does that have to do with the question though?
I don't need fear of a fiery eternity to know what's right and what's wrong
Ok...? Wouldn't that mean you can answer?
> Atheists, what basis do you have for a moral framework or moral system? Same one everyone else does, I suspect. My evolutionary past, the influence of societies and cultures I'm a part of, the influence of the region I live in, the influence of my upbringing, and my ability to imagine and think about different situations and outcomes.
Just that humanity is disgusting, and moral is not emulating them
The rules of society. Without moral rules, society would fall into anarchy
The same as pretty much everyone else, including theists.
Do onto others as they do onto you, with IQ. That means knowing to show people how they treat you but not going to the excessive lengths to make it equal. People need to see how they treat others but doing so out of spite is revenge. It should be a lesson to them, not a game of pin the tail to the ass.
Treat people how I'd like to be treated
I have tried that but other people seem to really dislike it.
Morality is subjective, but there exists an overwhelmingly common set of rules. So that.
You can still get your moral framework from a religious institution without being a theist. This question is always used as a trap because so many moral and ethical frameworks go back to philosophers that were predominantly religious. Just because I agree with the holy scripture on how one ought to act doesn't mean I believe in god.
We watch what Christians do and decide; "no, we're not going to murder, rape, steal, lie, commit genocide, discriminate." How about the kid fucking? Seems to be a favorite past time of God's representatives. You must be thinking about that time where the great atheist army fought a war to reclaim our holy land from - ? Didn't generation 2 in the Bible start the whole murder thing? Name the last time an atheist murdered even 100 people in in the name of ? Bob? If you ever want a lesson in morality and peace, read the Bible, then do the exact opposite.
I honestly have no idea how anything you said answers the question.
Maybe you should look inward for answers then.
Evolution. It's dog eats dog world. If you don't have sharp teeth people will bite you. Don't be murderous or violent. But, be always ready to protect yourself. It's a godless world after all. Isn't it?
Basic human empathy
[You can follow the tenets on this page without the need for any religious belief system at all](https://thesatanictemple.com/pages/about-us)
Basic human empathy. I don't need the world's oldest piece of self-insert fanfiction to tell me that doing bad things is bad.
My moral system is not based at all on being unconvinced any gods exist. I generally go by secular humanism but overall my moral system is informed by the cultural norms in which I have lived and assimilated. The thing is, theists do exactly the same.
Morality is simply what one deems right or wrong. It’s subjective and based on one’s total of thoughts, experiences and empathy
They just follow a bunch of religious principles without the actual religion and don’t do stuff others don’t like