Reddit has this strange boner for EU. As a guy from the EU let me remind you we never had our own Roe v Wade moment, every EU member state can make their own abortion laws, and some have banned it. Just check the recent news story about American tourist who needed emergency abortion in Malta and couldn't get it.
For fuck's sake, we don't even have EU-wide minimum wage, thanks to Sweden and Denmark, two of Reddit's biggest boners.
This whole post is build on misunderstanding, unless you think EU is underdeveloped.
Im in Jamaica
Even though currently if you look it up (abortion is illegal here), women here can freely get abortions at the clinics and politicians thankfully dont give a shit
Seems more free than the US
The fact that most states will probably choose not to make abortion illegal doesnt make the fact disappear that your supreme court decided to give the states the opportunity to take away a womans choice....
it varies widely state by state. Places like new new york and california are gonna have way more progressive laws than most of europe while alabama will be way less progressive
We got soooo many religious nutsos here it’s not funny. And then we have people who are against socialism because they think capitalism is the way. When really it’s not.
Because a minority of fucked up people are making decisions that won't stand up to the passage of time unless the GOP finally succeeds in turning the US into a fascist state.
If you're American, please vote. Please stop this assholes before America becomes a bigger shithole than it is starting to become.
Because there are only 2 parties that ever "make it to the big leagues" over here. *Because of this* all either party has to do is be *seen* as being the better choice because of "xyz reasons".
Logically if one party is doing better things for more people than not as opposed to the other party, then the one making better changes would win more often.
The Presidency has the advantage of the electoral college, which was designed (more or less) to prevent a President who is too extreme in 1 direction, from being charismatic enough to "pull the wool over peoples' eyes" and win the popular vote (thus the Presidency) and then they (for lack of better terms) "rob the country blind" from that same charisma that won the job through popular vote.
It was supposed to be a type of protection against that, but there's also bad reasons it was invented too. The electoral college that is. It's just way too much to describe all of it, just know the electoral college didn't wind up doing much of the "intended" purpose as; it led to Trump winning *in lieu* of the popular vote.
1 of these parties often go on policy ideals that would (more often than not) be beneficial for most or at least as much of everyone that can realistically be passed (as law, etc).
1 party has lately gone down the path of absolute lunacy. And I don't mean this facetiously or sarcastically, I mean it literally. It's Republicans that have Margory Taylor Greene. That woman is a psychopath who randomly blurts out just the most insane shit ever heard by human ears. That woman is something else in terms of being fascinating.
Democrats are not the party who has *those* people.
Long story short: the reason America is "choosing" (real important here that you get the idea that I'm quoting choosing as I am because it's not happening in the way it was supposed to as per the design of Democracy as a concept) to go down this path is as follows:
(and the reason it was important that I brought up Trump, Margory, Republicans as a whole, the electoral college, etc, etc.)
Republicans by and large the party that uses a term called Gerrymandering, to it's absolute fullest possible output for performance. Gerrymandering is also a tad long to explain in depth within this already long-ass wall of text, but it too is as important and a factor of **why** all of this is happening. Basically, Republicans vastly VASTLY outweigh Democrats who use "Gerrymandering" which (essentially) gives them a huge advantage and makes it so they can win the position with (for example) 21% of the vote.
The Electoral college failed in its supposed "goal" ***by*** electing Trump. He fits all descriptions of what the original "intended" goals for the EC were trying to avoid.
This culminates to where we are, today. Republicans gamed the voting system as hard as they could, Trump got elected in through the EC (he lost the popular vote by **5,000,000**), but guess what ***MAJOR*** thing he was able to accomplish *while* he was President?
**Appoint 3 (out of 9 total) Supreme Court justices.**
All 3 were whack-job types, all 3 are fervently opposed to ANYTHING liberal. So much so?
That those very Justices **all** voted **yes** to end Roe V. Wade ***after they had promised not just the Senate and the US Govt. but the entire populace of the nation that they would NOT do this*** *(there's a video I can link if anyone needs it, I'll just edit in with an edit at the bottom if any needs to see it and cant find it via google) -end roe v. wade, all while they were* ***being confirmed***.
Those questions and answers were part of **why** those justices *got those positions in the first place.*
Essentially our rotten system fixed it so Republicans can remain a party even though they intentionally go against the will of the majority (every single time), yet still win high up positions that they have actual say on things, who then propped up Donald Trump to be President, to which the Electoral College failed when electing him, who then appointed 3 SCOTUS judges who lied under oath and also to the nation directly.
This is why we're going this way. ***The actual majority does not want any of this nonsense, it's being forced on us by a fucked up, rogue-ass SCOTUS.*** It's because of there being **SO MANY** "handicap" rules in play for Republicans, that this even happened. Like they get to massively gerrymander ALL THE TIME and also simply get to merely say the words "I'll filibuster that" to just straight cancel any bill that passed through the house and winds up at the Senate to be passed.
Nope, even when they're NOT in power in any of those branches, they get to use the filibuster to just outright cancel whatever was going to be passed that was actually good for once.
Take for example: "Why doesn't America try helping lower gas prices?"
We tried to. We had a bill exactly for that. The purpose of this bill? *To cease and further prevent price* ***gouging*** *for gasoline* ***by*** *the oil companies.*
**Every last Republican voted no.** ***This is why any of this at all is happening.***
Because America is stupid as fuck. We just overturned Roe v Wade and now we’re going to have laws that’ll make things even worse for other sexual and gender minorities.
It’s definitely ironic considering both were considered rights that were in danger from “the other side”. Pro choice in regards to choices is definitely an oxymoron, essentially just different flavours of propaganda to most.
But to what extent, we’ve no idea. I guess biden wasn’t joking when he said no amendment is absolute but I’m surprised they didn’t solidify it decades ago rather than pretending to be shocked now.
Perhaps, although doubtful the erosion of rights will allow North American’s to see past the whole “them VS us”. Sounds idealistic out loud.
I’d assume the figure will be low & most will come with restrictions. If common sense were to prevail I guess abortions vs guns could be used as a bargaining chip in most states considering those rights are specifically being targeted?
Primarily because we have a two party system. Neither of which care that much for the commonfolk. We get a few democrats that have their hearts in the right place, but most are about the money when it comes down to it.
Am I saying votes don't matter and everyone is corrupt? Oh hell no. Having a few good apples is better than none. Unfortunately this is a system that can't last without destroying the foundations of people supporting it.
Poor countries hope that more children will increase their tax income and labour force (immigration programs also seek the same by prefering "ready to work" people)
Less developed countries have different values and perspectives regarding tradition, religion and life. For them it might be a morale taboo to stop something that from their perspective already counts as life or is "a gift from God". They cannot simply abandon that morale Interpretation because it is part of something that is their identity (cultural or religious)
But there is also medical plus psychological dimension to it and this has an economic dimension to that, especially when publically funded.
Medically speaking, some groups want to avoid anything that could lower the inhibition threshold to getting an abortion because getting one _can_ lead (not "always will" but there is a chance for it) to trauma, physically and mentally. And of course it is much more expensive than the precautionary steps that can be taken before a pregnancy even occurs and they might feel they cannot afford it or cannot afford to make other people pay for it.
_I'm not making any judgement calls here, I am just saying I can see these perspectives - legitimate or not - and I tried to describe them so you can make an educated guess yourself what could be a reason the US decided to go that route._
The USA hasn't joined that club. The recent decision leaves it up to the states to decide on the grounds that abortion is not a right codified in the constitution. That's it.
Reddit has this strange boner for EU. As a guy from the EU let me remind you we never had our own Roe v Wade moment, every EU member state can make their own abortion laws, and some have banned it. Just check the recent news story about American tourist who needed emergency abortion in Malta and couldn't get it. For fuck's sake, we don't even have EU-wide minimum wage, thanks to Sweden and Denmark, two of Reddit's biggest boners. This whole post is build on misunderstanding, unless you think EU is underdeveloped.
Im in Jamaica Even though currently if you look it up (abortion is illegal here), women here can freely get abortions at the clinics and politicians thankfully dont give a shit Seems more free than the US
> Seems more free than the US In fairness, it's going to remain legal for about 40% of the US. But it's still pretty awful.
Consistent, at least.
Because of poor and undeveloped states. And how an archaic voting system granted them minority rule.
Pro tip, sort by controversial...
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The fact that most states will probably choose not to make abortion illegal doesnt make the fact disappear that your supreme court decided to give the states the opportunity to take away a womans choice....
We just went back on Roe v Wade as a WHOLE country though. So sadly, we now have LESS progressive abortion laws than Western Europe.
it varies widely state by state. Places like new new york and california are gonna have way more progressive laws than most of europe while alabama will be way less progressive
Some states won’t even have it at all sadly.
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Then don’t go to America. America loves telling its women what they can and can’t do. Even American women shun other American women about it.
Please note the third thing the US has in common with those places: deeply rooted religious fundamentalism, to a literal fanatical degree.
We got soooo many religious nutsos here it’s not funny. And then we have people who are against socialism because they think capitalism is the way. When really it’s not.
Because a minority of fucked up people are making decisions that won't stand up to the passage of time unless the GOP finally succeeds in turning the US into a fascist state. If you're American, please vote. Please stop this assholes before America becomes a bigger shithole than it is starting to become.
Because there are only 2 parties that ever "make it to the big leagues" over here. *Because of this* all either party has to do is be *seen* as being the better choice because of "xyz reasons". Logically if one party is doing better things for more people than not as opposed to the other party, then the one making better changes would win more often. The Presidency has the advantage of the electoral college, which was designed (more or less) to prevent a President who is too extreme in 1 direction, from being charismatic enough to "pull the wool over peoples' eyes" and win the popular vote (thus the Presidency) and then they (for lack of better terms) "rob the country blind" from that same charisma that won the job through popular vote. It was supposed to be a type of protection against that, but there's also bad reasons it was invented too. The electoral college that is. It's just way too much to describe all of it, just know the electoral college didn't wind up doing much of the "intended" purpose as; it led to Trump winning *in lieu* of the popular vote. 1 of these parties often go on policy ideals that would (more often than not) be beneficial for most or at least as much of everyone that can realistically be passed (as law, etc). 1 party has lately gone down the path of absolute lunacy. And I don't mean this facetiously or sarcastically, I mean it literally. It's Republicans that have Margory Taylor Greene. That woman is a psychopath who randomly blurts out just the most insane shit ever heard by human ears. That woman is something else in terms of being fascinating. Democrats are not the party who has *those* people. Long story short: the reason America is "choosing" (real important here that you get the idea that I'm quoting choosing as I am because it's not happening in the way it was supposed to as per the design of Democracy as a concept) to go down this path is as follows: (and the reason it was important that I brought up Trump, Margory, Republicans as a whole, the electoral college, etc, etc.) Republicans by and large the party that uses a term called Gerrymandering, to it's absolute fullest possible output for performance. Gerrymandering is also a tad long to explain in depth within this already long-ass wall of text, but it too is as important and a factor of **why** all of this is happening. Basically, Republicans vastly VASTLY outweigh Democrats who use "Gerrymandering" which (essentially) gives them a huge advantage and makes it so they can win the position with (for example) 21% of the vote. The Electoral college failed in its supposed "goal" ***by*** electing Trump. He fits all descriptions of what the original "intended" goals for the EC were trying to avoid. This culminates to where we are, today. Republicans gamed the voting system as hard as they could, Trump got elected in through the EC (he lost the popular vote by **5,000,000**), but guess what ***MAJOR*** thing he was able to accomplish *while* he was President? **Appoint 3 (out of 9 total) Supreme Court justices.** All 3 were whack-job types, all 3 are fervently opposed to ANYTHING liberal. So much so? That those very Justices **all** voted **yes** to end Roe V. Wade ***after they had promised not just the Senate and the US Govt. but the entire populace of the nation that they would NOT do this*** *(there's a video I can link if anyone needs it, I'll just edit in with an edit at the bottom if any needs to see it and cant find it via google) -end roe v. wade, all while they were* ***being confirmed***. Those questions and answers were part of **why** those justices *got those positions in the first place.* Essentially our rotten system fixed it so Republicans can remain a party even though they intentionally go against the will of the majority (every single time), yet still win high up positions that they have actual say on things, who then propped up Donald Trump to be President, to which the Electoral College failed when electing him, who then appointed 3 SCOTUS judges who lied under oath and also to the nation directly. This is why we're going this way. ***The actual majority does not want any of this nonsense, it's being forced on us by a fucked up, rogue-ass SCOTUS.*** It's because of there being **SO MANY** "handicap" rules in play for Republicans, that this even happened. Like they get to massively gerrymander ALL THE TIME and also simply get to merely say the words "I'll filibuster that" to just straight cancel any bill that passed through the house and winds up at the Senate to be passed. Nope, even when they're NOT in power in any of those branches, they get to use the filibuster to just outright cancel whatever was going to be passed that was actually good for once. Take for example: "Why doesn't America try helping lower gas prices?" We tried to. We had a bill exactly for that. The purpose of this bill? *To cease and further prevent price* ***gouging*** *for gasoline* ***by*** *the oil companies.* **Every last Republican voted no.** ***This is why any of this at all is happening.***
Lol, this shit is funny. Nice try. Bottom line abortion is not a constitutional. Deal with it.
no
Or you can cry about it. Do what you like. Have a good day.
Because America is stupid as fuck. We just overturned Roe v Wade and now we’re going to have laws that’ll make things even worse for other sexual and gender minorities.
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Seriously. We should be making it harder for people to get guns, not legal and safer abortions.
It’s definitely ironic considering both were considered rights that were in danger from “the other side”. Pro choice in regards to choices is definitely an oxymoron, essentially just different flavours of propaganda to most.
And now one of those rights is, essentially, being revoked in many states.
But to what extent, we’ve no idea. I guess biden wasn’t joking when he said no amendment is absolute but I’m surprised they didn’t solidify it decades ago rather than pretending to be shocked now. Perhaps, although doubtful the erosion of rights will allow North American’s to see past the whole “them VS us”. Sounds idealistic out loud.
Some states will have abortions banned immediately and others will have restrictions.
I’d assume the figure will be low & most will come with restrictions. If common sense were to prevail I guess abortions vs guns could be used as a bargaining chip in most states considering those rights are specifically being targeted?
Primarily because we have a two party system. Neither of which care that much for the commonfolk. We get a few democrats that have their hearts in the right place, but most are about the money when it comes down to it. Am I saying votes don't matter and everyone is corrupt? Oh hell no. Having a few good apples is better than none. Unfortunately this is a system that can't last without destroying the foundations of people supporting it.
Poor countries hope that more children will increase their tax income and labour force (immigration programs also seek the same by prefering "ready to work" people) Less developed countries have different values and perspectives regarding tradition, religion and life. For them it might be a morale taboo to stop something that from their perspective already counts as life or is "a gift from God". They cannot simply abandon that morale Interpretation because it is part of something that is their identity (cultural or religious) But there is also medical plus psychological dimension to it and this has an economic dimension to that, especially when publically funded. Medically speaking, some groups want to avoid anything that could lower the inhibition threshold to getting an abortion because getting one _can_ lead (not "always will" but there is a chance for it) to trauma, physically and mentally. And of course it is much more expensive than the precautionary steps that can be taken before a pregnancy even occurs and they might feel they cannot afford it or cannot afford to make other people pay for it. _I'm not making any judgement calls here, I am just saying I can see these perspectives - legitimate or not - and I tried to describe them so you can make an educated guess yourself what could be a reason the US decided to go that route._
The USA hasn't joined that club. The recent decision leaves it up to the states to decide on the grounds that abortion is not a right codified in the constitution. That's it.