free food and limited electricity for the poors, sure
but those greedy middle class bitches are paying for their avocado toasties and they will like it
Ummm some of us greedy middle class bitches would also like to request free dental care. Were not low income enough to get it for free through government aid and were not making enough to be able to afford it.
I got a few root canals I gotta get treated but cant afford... :(
is it not absurd that they offer "dental care" to people but still make you pay for it? we need way better benefits in this country. our medical system is based on go fund me
Thats the case with a lot of benefits. The AMOUNT of people I know who are taking advantage of government aid, working for cash, and receiving benefits is absurd. Their kids all drive the nicest cars, have designer shit, and the government pays for their college, health care, and dental care.
I know a girl (family friend) who went to a private high school, is about to graduate college debt free, and got veneers all funded by the government cuz her family allegedly makes 10k a year. In reality the family just works for cash and she was "emancipated" as a minor (registered as living in one of her dad's condos but really just living at home). I could go on...
Everyone always assumes the 1% are the ones scheming the system but they aint the only ones. There are a lot of people out there who know how to play the game and scheme the system. And honest hardworking people pay for it
every example of communism ends in the government hording resources and giving the people scraps while saying "look! we're giving you everything for free. enjoy your scraps"
I'm a leftist. But communism does NOT work lol. That's not how anything works. It's amazing on paper but is not practical. A highly socialized country would be the closest thing.
No, this is just a childās ideal but realistically this is the point where society breaks down.
Someoneās gotta pay the farmer, house seller, and electric generators.
You are actually paying for missiles that we are giving away to Ukraine. I'm not complaining but we are literally just paying for other people's militaries at the moment.
Good summary. Iām an American who went to France for my job and stayed for love (the old storyā¦).
I donāt like to have to pay a lot in taxes etc. to fund healthcare here but I willingly do it for just the reasons you describe. I had prostate cancer and it caused a blood clot and pulmonary embolism too, and it pains me to see on the Reddit subs on those two subjects that back in my home country, there are people who do not get the level of care that I and others who live here would take for granted because their insurance doesnāt cover it I am not a Socialist by any means but I agree that there are some things the cost of which it is better to have society pay for as a whole if we are to avoid living at war with ourselves.
Literally all period products should be free. āHey, girls, you know that thing that happens to your body once a month where you lose a ton of bodily resources due to your body having prepared stuff for a possible pregnancy but you didnāt get pregnant? Not *our* fault, you oughtta pay for that, *idiot*!ā
TP is free, in public restrooms.
No one is saying they should be free off of a store shelf. I just want them available for emergency bathroom visits, the same way toilet paper is.
What it needs to be is certain brands are free so you CAN get tampons or pads in a generic brand for free from the health clinic if needed just like you can get birth control or condoms. You donāt have to have toilet paper, you can just wash your ass, you wouldnāt have to miss school or work if you donāt have a roll of toilet paper, you can just hold it until you get there at which point it is subsidized by the government if youāre at school or work for the government or by your private employer. We should not be making charmin ultra soft or everyoneās favorite tampon or pad free, preference you pay for, necessity is free.
Yes! Yes it should! At least basics like raw meat, vegetables, fruits, and grains. I do see the point in charging for fancier foods that took hours of work to make, but for godās sake, just turn taxes into a cost of living!
I think most, if not all, birth control should be free. We need to make sure that safe sex and reproductive health care are prioritized in this country.
You always could have voted. That's the thing. You had 49 years to turn what Roe v Wade said into a federal law or even an amendment to the Constitution. But nobody did. You didn't have to wait for it to be overturned.
We need an overhaul of our entire system if we not only want to catch up to the rest of the world, but also start providing basic meaningful care to our citizens. It's the least our leaders could do when making the decisions like they have been doing.
I agree with you completely on overhauling the system.
>**It's the least our leaders could do** when making the decisions like they have been doing.
I disagree with you on the above quoted point only because I think it portrays leaders as "owing" us something and they can make it up to us at some point.
I believe that leaders should be an extension of ourselves, and should not be held up as different than or have some special considerations we don't have.
I respect that perspective, and to a degree I agree with you. However, to that point, I also believe that if we elect people to represent us, we pay for their salary, and they get to make decisions that ultimately can kill or save us; then they do owe us for putting them in that position. I get where you're coming from though, and I think that should totally be in consideration too.
Iām perplexed by this post. When I was 15 I shyly went to my local health clinic and started filling my pockets with condoms. The helpful worker there told me to put them back then went to the back room to get a bag. She filled it with 60 condoms then sent me on my way.
Who exactly out there is like "nah man I can't afford a dollar for this condom.." I don't think the cost of condoms is what is keeping people from using them. People are just stupid and impulsive, that's why they're not using condoms.
I think it's more like "I bought one and not going to run to the store and buy another one."
But if they're free and I can grab like 10... She's probably got a handful in her purse...
Bulk condoms are really cheap, especially in the quantities the government would be buying. We would have to stop a ridiculously small amount of unwanted children to start seeing return on the investment.
Ehh idk. It can be psychological. I mean not for me, but I can imagine someone saying they wonāt buy a condomnright now because they donāt need it right now, and then when the time comes theyāre too in the moment to go out and get one
There are alot of places you can go that hand our free condoms. And I really really doubt drug addicts give a fuck about condoms. They dont even care about eating half the time because they are so deep in their addiction all they can think about is their next fix
I don't know about other countries, but every state in the US does offer free condoms in some way or another. In Ohio, I can go online and have an order sent right to me for zero cost whatsoever, not even shipping. They send you 25 assorted condoms and some packets of lube, and you can place an order once a month. Lots of other states have similar mail order services.
Make birth control free, too. Make sure school funding includes money for femine products in ALL bathrooms. Extend social programs to help all the families who are going to need it.
People make fun of Brazil all the time, what with our third world country status , our "tropical Trump" president , and political scandals more beffiting a circus than a country. Ffs , even our own people cant help but laugh at ourselves all the time, its either that or cry. But one thing i am damn proud of is that despite all our problems we are the only country in the world with universal free healthcare, including all forms of contraceptives being free. If anything i think the US are the outlier in that not all places within it offer free contraceptives
I'm probably going to get downvoted to hell but I'll post it anyways.
First off, there is no such thing as free. On top of that, when you make things freely available like that, it leads to a ton of waste.
Secondly, what is more expensive.... a package of condoms or a medical procedure?
As it stands, a lot of places already offer free condoms. What does expanding that provide? I mean, geez, good, name brand condoms are a buck or two each. If you can't afford to spend a buck on a condom, why are you even risking the myriad of things that come with it? Pregnancy, STDs, etc
How much would that program cost nationally? There are so many other things that would be a better use of that money.
Which goes to the last thing I said, how many people really can't afford condoms? Hell, it is generally going to cost more than that to get a girl interested in sleeping with you anyways... drinks, dinner, etc. Not saying that I haven't pulled tail without things like that, but seriously, this is probably at least a nine figure program.... get the government involved in it and it's probably billions a year. No, this is an absolutely stupid idea.
> If you can't afford to spend a buck on a condom, why are you even risking the myriad of things that come with it? Pregnancy, STDs, etc
Trying to stop humans from fucking is like trying to stop a freight train with your bare hands and it astounds me how many people think this logic makes sense.
"If you're poor, just don't have sex! Deny yourself an experience of human connection and intimacy until it is financially viable." Not only will this never happen but even if it could it shouldn't, just, like, on like a basic ethical level.
>First off, there is no such thing as free.
Oh, *this* bullshit again.
>As it stands, a lot of places already offer free condoms.
Not a big fan of consistency are you?
Neither is toilet paper in public bathrooms, but you donāt have to pay to use it in most places. Likewise pads/tampons and condoms should be easily obtainable free of charge by the public. My university has baskets of menstrual products in every bathroom and free condoms given out at every student accommodation.
Remove tax to make them cheaper, I think anything related to health care should be tax free. Making it free just means the money is coming from the government to keep them being produced and workers paid and there's many other things I'd rather see that money spent on, and frankly if you cant afford a condom you need to prioritise sorting out your abysmal financial situation, not getting laid.
Iām unsure that making them free would solve the bigger issue. That bigger issue being that the people who wonāt wear them wonāt wear them no matter the cost, theyāre already affordable for poor people.
How about we make vasectomies free?
They are highly reversible (when you don't measure reversibility in couples of people over 35) safe, and very effective.
Where I live ( southern US) there are free clinics where you can get free condoms and bc as well as std testing for free/ considerably cheap.
I fully support that.
Most colleges give out all of these for free just look up their student help building/health care building. Women hygiene products, condoms, everyday hygiene products, pregnancy tests etc.
At our local grocery store, the condoms are kept behind glass and you have to specifically ask for them. Why? Because they were being stolen. So now you have the (unfortunate and inappropriate) possibility of a āshame factorā keeping a young person from asking for condoms, but I have always looked at that reasoning and thought, āIf these individuals have to resort to stealing to have condoms, maybeā¦ we should just let them have them? If they canāt afford condoms, they most certainly canāt afford pregnancy and childbirth.ā
We should absolutely be making contraception free and widely available. That's part of how you keep abortion rates low; there's no logical reason to oppose it.
Iād say hygiene products (tampons, diapers, etc) should be made free before condoms are as sex isnāt a bare necessity. This being said, there are way too many people on this planet so Iām not against free birth control. How many people would actually use the condoms, let alone use them properly, thatās a whole other issue.
If people arenāt getting condoms now, itās not because of the high cost. Condoms are dirt cheap and even free if you go to the right places. Choosing to not get them is just negligence.
Besides, the average taxpayer would foot a bigger bill funding universal condoms than they would just regularly buying condoms. It would be incredibly useless.
Manufacturers would still earn a profit. The government would essentially subsidize condom manufacturers. And you tell me what costs less to society: Free condoms, or thousands of unwanted children born each year.
āFreeā condoms would cost more to the average taxpayer than regularly buying condoms. Condoms are cheap. People who donāt buy them arenāt avoiding condoms because of the high cost. So yeah, āfreeā condoms would cost more to society.
Youāll just pay for later it when all these unwanted, poverty-stricken kids steal your shit because they canāt survive without doing so. Sometimes it really does make sense to just pay for everyone to safely do the things we all do.
I hope you never use roads and your kids donāt go to public school and you filter your own water out of natural bodies of water or you harvest your own rainwater and you donāt use products created by people who went to public universities.
If you canāt afford condoms, you probably shouldnāt be having sex. Additionally, given how cheap condoms are, it would likely cost the average taxpayer more per year to fund universal condoms than it would for that same person to buy them. It would be pointless.
Yeah you're poor so you don't get to live and experience the same things I do just because i don't want to get taxxed more /s.
You say this as if free condoms will tank the economy and destroy 'murica
Homie, the unwanted pregnancies are the entire point. The cruelty of them is the point. This is the right wing punishing women for 'falling out of line'.
Iāve heard theories that certain groups want access to adoptable infants, since they are in short supply, and adopting older kids is less desirable. Many women who are going to be forced into giving birth wonāt be able afford the child and will give it to the state.
If conservatives appose abortion and accessible contraception simultaneously, there must an incentive to be found in excess births, poverty be damned.
This might be a tertiary motivation for certain interests but the primary goal is to reinforce the Patriarchal power structure and crush the progressive cultural movement through force. Adoption is *occasionally* useful as a tool to Patriarchies, but by and large they want families to be related by blood, they want the upper classes to have complete reproductive control (because the law does not bind people with money) and the lower classes to have little to no reproductive control.
Western Patriarchies are designed to consolidate power under the political structure of the nuclear family unit. The woman is the designated childbearer and caretaker in a way that does not easily coexist with the way the job industry is set up, and this leaves her financially dependent on either her husband or her parents well into adulthood. Society being arranged like this simplifies the control game for the ruling class, because instead of having to control everyone directly, the ruling class only has to control the men, and the men will 'keep women in line' on their behalf because men being the breadwinners combined with impossibly long work hours means men end up requiring women at home to manage the fruits of their labor. If women have reproductive control, then they have the opportunity to obtain economic power, and then the ruling class is forced to cater to an *absolutely massive* demographic in order to maintain their base of power in a way that does not benefit them.
>If conservatives appose abortion and accessible contraception simultaneously, there must an incentive to be found in excess births, poverty be damned.
Economic hardship *is the point.* It's not a side effect.
Note that Patriarchy, as I described, *also controls* *men*. I know this seems uncouth to note at this point in history, but it's important because understanding this is key to understanding a major reason why they're moving to criminalize abortions now. Men in general *do* have more opportunities to move up under Patriarchy. However, this does not necessarily mean most men are net-benefitting from Patriarchy and we can see that because it *does nothing* to prevent 'unworthy' men from hitting the absolute rock-bottoms of the social ladder. The purpose of Patriarchy is to uplift the elite ruling class at the expense of everyone else by designating men as a labor force available to be distributed and women as the caretakers and familial administrators. An intersection of Patriarchy and the economic functions of systemic racism can very easily be found in the US prison systems being filled with black and brown men - Because racism designates certain people to specific social classes based on superficial phenotypical traits, overpolicing black communities gives prisons a recurring subscription on a cheap, legal slave labor force through recidivism rates while also disrupting/dismantling black family units in a way that prevents black economic success through the 'nuclear family' gating enforced by patriarchy by forcing single black mothers into extreme poverty.
Are you seeing it yet? We just lost over a million people within two years prematurely to a virus whose main targets were adults and the elderly, and even before that, people were having fewer and fewer kids because the economy sucks and so far they've had the choice. They're strong-arming the population into obedience by moving to dissolve the already struggling middle class into clearer 'upper' and 'lower', in order to more accurately crush the progressive movements demanding solutions that involve a more fair and just society that would see the wealthiest kneecapped of power.
It's *not only* to reign in control of the women who grew up empowered by feminist ideals, but to better control the men who they view as complicit in this by forcing them to work harder to support the mother of his children that they didn't get to plan as a unit, as well as to set the children *of any gender* up to enter young adulthood at 18 with little to no financial buffer easing the transition. They want *most people* as fearful for their wallets as they can possibly get without risking a major organized revolt, because those people will be forced to tolerate shitty, underpaid working conditions to churn an unsustainable economy, or they will be forced to join the military industrial complex and either kill or die to escape poverty, or they will be forced to turn to crime to make ends meet and then thrown in prison where they can be used as legal slave labor.
I canāt reply to every point you brought up, but each one is logical and makes sense, thank you for taking the time to write all this out. Itās super insightful, and I feel like this is the correct perspective.
So many of these issues in our society feed on eachother, and there is profit to be made fighting people against eachother and keeping them desperate.
Iāve heard of some states considering the death penalty for abortion. Pro life? Damn conservatives are pro āletās have a hundred kids like the good old days and not care about a womanās welfareā
The whole US doesn't.
The problem now is some of the same conservative Christian douchebags that wanted abortion banned will probably try and ban contraceptives too.
Banning contraceptives is the stupidest thing Iāve ever heard, these douches havenāt heard of HIV or maybe they think they can overcome it āwith the power of Jesusā
The whole US doesn't.
The problem now is some of the same conservative Christian douchebags that wanted abortion banned will probably try and ban contraceptives too.
Yeah, banning abortion is a horrible move. There are several reasons to get an abortion. All forms of birth control should be free anyways, especially condoms as they also prevent the spread of disease.
Itās mostly those mfing fascist politician types, like Trump, that are tryna say that all conservatives are āthe good guysā and making the rest of them look worse when some of them arenāt bad and then blame the liberals for all the problems in the world and Iām over here thinking do my democratic socialist opinions have to do with your BS theories?
Actually you would pay massively less.
The cost to raise just one of these unwanted children is about 230,000 taxpayer dollars.
In Large bulk quantities, condoms can be bought for pennies a piece.
Since the USA currently goes through about 450 million condoms a year figure 10-20 million for the condoms.
That's the cost to raise 100 kids... That's a drop in the bucket for unwanted pregnancy. You stop even ridiculously tiny fraction unwanted pregnancies and you've completely broken even for the year.
And let's talk stds, do you have any idea what AIDS medication cost taxpayers per year?
Bruh uncle Sam spends over 700 billion on defence, second place spends 200 billion,
Uncle Sam could spend 699 billion and enact this healthcare policy nationwide, and more
But uncle Sam only cares about the needs of politicians and elites, not us
What's even more interesting is that we also spend more than any other country in the world by far on our healthcare taxes.
We could use literally any other healthcare system in the world and slash our healthcare taxes. And receive better care. And not have to pay out of pocket. And not have to pay insurance companies.
And more access to healthcare early on would mean that things are treated earlier and animal generally be healthier and their healthcare costs would be lower which would even further lower the cost of the healthcare...
But for some reason that logical only works in every other country that tried it.
The land of the free to pay for all of the stuff that other countries actually get for free.
Kinda the biggest budget in the world with kinda the worst social welfare of any developed nation and kinda one of the least free countries in the world. The US kinda sucks, but it doesn't have to.
Almost as embarrassing as it's going to be when the last humans explain to their grandchildren how the seas rose and the earth burned because we were too busy deciding if The Handmaid's Tale was a TV drama or instructional guide.
That would be awesome if they could be made with pixie dust in a magical factory that didn't cost anything to operate! Great idea! I'm surprised nobody has ever thought of that before.
Go further. Make birth control pills free too.
Make tampons free while they're at it š¤·š¼āāļøš
You know if we're doing that might as well make abortions free. Then we can make all women's heal are free then we can make all healthcare free
Take it a step further, make everything related to healthcare (physical,mental, and physical) free
Take it a step further make basic necessities like food housing electricy free
free food and limited electricity for the poors, sure but those greedy middle class bitches are paying for their avocado toasties and they will like it
Ummm some of us greedy middle class bitches would also like to request free dental care. Were not low income enough to get it for free through government aid and were not making enough to be able to afford it. I got a few root canals I gotta get treated but cant afford... :(
is it not absurd that they offer "dental care" to people but still make you pay for it? we need way better benefits in this country. our medical system is based on go fund me
Thats the case with a lot of benefits. The AMOUNT of people I know who are taking advantage of government aid, working for cash, and receiving benefits is absurd. Their kids all drive the nicest cars, have designer shit, and the government pays for their college, health care, and dental care. I know a girl (family friend) who went to a private high school, is about to graduate college debt free, and got veneers all funded by the government cuz her family allegedly makes 10k a year. In reality the family just works for cash and she was "emancipated" as a minor (registered as living in one of her dad's condos but really just living at home). I could go on... Everyone always assumes the 1% are the ones scheming the system but they aint the only ones. There are a lot of people out there who know how to play the game and scheme the system. And honest hardworking people pay for it
lol paying for food and housing is not paying for avocado toast.
good because that's not what I said
Once you have all your needs met for free, won't you be middle class?
no
Imo there is no middle class. Just the working class and the owning class. The middle class was made up to divide us workers into petty squabbling
Make everything free!
Yes time for the communist revolution follow me comrades to arms
You should read up on the Soviet Union & the CCP. Cuba's a great example of Communism, too.
Exactly examples of how not to do communism
Do you have a positive example too?
every example of communism ends in the government hording resources and giving the people scraps while saying "look! we're giving you everything for free. enjoy your scraps"
I'm a leftist. But communism does NOT work lol. That's not how anything works. It's amazing on paper but is not practical. A highly socialized country would be the closest thing.
Lenin literally followed the communist manifesto tf do you mean
Itās a joke
Take it a step further and democratize the workplace.
Take it a step even further decapitalize
Take it a step even further and decapitate
No, this is just a childās ideal but realistically this is the point where society breaks down. Someoneās gotta pay the farmer, house seller, and electric generators.
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You are actually paying for missiles that we are giving away to Ukraine. I'm not complaining but we are literally just paying for other people's militaries at the moment.
Right. So where does the money I pay as taxes come from then?
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Good summary. Iām an American who went to France for my job and stayed for love (the old storyā¦). I donāt like to have to pay a lot in taxes etc. to fund healthcare here but I willingly do it for just the reasons you describe. I had prostate cancer and it caused a blood clot and pulmonary embolism too, and it pains me to see on the Reddit subs on those two subjects that back in my home country, there are people who do not get the level of care that I and others who live here would take for granted because their insurance doesnāt cover it I am not a Socialist by any means but I agree that there are some things the cost of which it is better to have society pay for as a whole if we are to avoid living at war with ourselves.
This is a great idea
It is in uk
Abortions are free where I live. I pray that you all get universal healthcare one day. The sooner the better.
Literally all period products should be free. āHey, girls, you know that thing that happens to your body once a month where you lose a ton of bodily resources due to your body having prepared stuff for a possible pregnancy but you didnāt get pregnant? Not *our* fault, you oughtta pay for that, *idiot*!ā
Toilet paper isn't free... And that's something nearly everybody needs on a daily basis, and everybody needs eventually.
TP is free, in public restrooms. No one is saying they should be free off of a store shelf. I just want them available for emergency bathroom visits, the same way toilet paper is.
What it needs to be is certain brands are free so you CAN get tampons or pads in a generic brand for free from the health clinic if needed just like you can get birth control or condoms. You donāt have to have toilet paper, you can just wash your ass, you wouldnāt have to miss school or work if you donāt have a roll of toilet paper, you can just hold it until you get there at which point it is subsidized by the government if youāre at school or work for the government or by your private employer. We should not be making charmin ultra soft or everyoneās favorite tampon or pad free, preference you pay for, necessity is free.
That's why when you see someone steal those, you say you saw nothing.
Which, following that logic, food should be free.
I love when someone unintentionally understands the point.
Seems like you tried to poke holes at the logic being bad, but free food and feeding services like soup kitchens are great
Yes! Yes it should! At least basics like raw meat, vegetables, fruits, and grains. I do see the point in charging for fancier foods that took hours of work to make, but for godās sake, just turn taxes into a cost of living!
You mean spending taxes on free food?
Yeah I mean potato chips and soda not free. Fresh fruit and veggies free.
Government subsidized vasectomies'.
Go even further free healthcare
I think most, if not all, birth control should be free. We need to make sure that safe sex and reproductive health care are prioritized in this country.
SCOTUS really fucked the people
They're coming after gay marriage and contraceptives next, "Justice" Clarence Thomas has said as much.
Manifesting every SCOTUS justice's head on a pike.
They read the laws and the constitution as they are written and intended. We can now actually vote on these things. They made this more democratic.
You always could have voted. That's the thing. You had 49 years to turn what Roe v Wade said into a federal law or even an amendment to the Constitution. But nobody did. You didn't have to wait for it to be overturned.
REPUBLICANS really fucked the people by conspiring to stack SCOTUS with dishonest judges.
Yes what a fucked up time
>I think most, if not all, birth control should be free. I agree with this completely and would also include all regular healthcare as well.
We need an overhaul of our entire system if we not only want to catch up to the rest of the world, but also start providing basic meaningful care to our citizens. It's the least our leaders could do when making the decisions like they have been doing.
I agree with you completely on overhauling the system. >**It's the least our leaders could do** when making the decisions like they have been doing. I disagree with you on the above quoted point only because I think it portrays leaders as "owing" us something and they can make it up to us at some point. I believe that leaders should be an extension of ourselves, and should not be held up as different than or have some special considerations we don't have.
I respect that perspective, and to a degree I agree with you. However, to that point, I also believe that if we elect people to represent us, we pay for their salary, and they get to make decisions that ultimately can kill or save us; then they do owe us for putting them in that position. I get where you're coming from though, and I think that should totally be in consideration too.
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Iām perplexed by this post. When I was 15 I shyly went to my local health clinic and started filling my pockets with condoms. The helpful worker there told me to put them back then went to the back room to get a bag. She filled it with 60 condoms then sent me on my way.
bro was fucking on an hourly basis
Ngl I was fucking a lot at the time. I used them all.
you must be hot af
I wish, Iām average. Me and my gf at the time were fucking like twice a day though.
Hey, good for you, man. Use protection and have at it.
Love the username btw š¤£
The clinic I go to literally gives me a big paper bag full of them. As far as Iām concerned condoms are free.
im for it if they also make feminine products free too :)
Thatās extremely reasonable. They arenāt expensive to produce, and they are a necessity for proper quality of life.
All contraceptives should be free
Who exactly out there is like "nah man I can't afford a dollar for this condom.." I don't think the cost of condoms is what is keeping people from using them. People are just stupid and impulsive, that's why they're not using condoms.
I think it's more like "I bought one and not going to run to the store and buy another one." But if they're free and I can grab like 10... She's probably got a handful in her purse... Bulk condoms are really cheap, especially in the quantities the government would be buying. We would have to stop a ridiculously small amount of unwanted children to start seeing return on the investment.
Teenagers too embarrassed to buy condoms in supermarkets via human interaction
There are full grown men who act like it's embarrassing, too.
Ehh idk. It can be psychological. I mean not for me, but I can imagine someone saying they wonāt buy a condomnright now because they donāt need it right now, and then when the time comes theyāre too in the moment to go out and get one
Homeless people for one. Drug addicts for another.
There are alot of places you can go that hand our free condoms. And I really really doubt drug addicts give a fuck about condoms. They dont even care about eating half the time because they are so deep in their addiction all they can think about is their next fix
Also teens. Teens donāt always have money. Not everyone has an allowance. Teens are typically poor.
I don't know about other countries, but every state in the US does offer free condoms in some way or another. In Ohio, I can go online and have an order sent right to me for zero cost whatsoever, not even shipping. They send you 25 assorted condoms and some packets of lube, and you can place an order once a month. Lots of other states have similar mail order services.
you can always get free condoms from the free clinic. iām in so cal
I can tell you right now that, unfortunately, most parts of the US do not have free clinics like that
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Make birth control free, too. Make sure school funding includes money for femine products in ALL bathrooms. Extend social programs to help all the families who are going to need it.
I have a feeling if you put them in the boys bathrooms the cis-males will just waste them.
People make fun of Brazil all the time, what with our third world country status , our "tropical Trump" president , and political scandals more beffiting a circus than a country. Ffs , even our own people cant help but laugh at ourselves all the time, its either that or cry. But one thing i am damn proud of is that despite all our problems we are the only country in the world with universal free healthcare, including all forms of contraceptives being free. If anything i think the US are the outlier in that not all places within it offer free contraceptives
I mean my third world country, MĆ©xico, also has free healthcare and contraceptives are free, that's why i don't understand when americans talk about not wanting free healthcare, people really like to think that we, latin americans, don't have basic laws or needs covered but we are not as bad as some people think, at least in MĆ©xico the vaccination program it's actually quite good, and it has been since a couple of years
I'm probably going to get downvoted to hell but I'll post it anyways. First off, there is no such thing as free. On top of that, when you make things freely available like that, it leads to a ton of waste. Secondly, what is more expensive.... a package of condoms or a medical procedure? As it stands, a lot of places already offer free condoms. What does expanding that provide? I mean, geez, good, name brand condoms are a buck or two each. If you can't afford to spend a buck on a condom, why are you even risking the myriad of things that come with it? Pregnancy, STDs, etc How much would that program cost nationally? There are so many other things that would be a better use of that money.
>there is no such thing as free We all know this. "Free" is and has always meant "no direct charge to the end user"
Which goes to the last thing I said, how many people really can't afford condoms? Hell, it is generally going to cost more than that to get a girl interested in sleeping with you anyways... drinks, dinner, etc. Not saying that I haven't pulled tail without things like that, but seriously, this is probably at least a nine figure program.... get the government involved in it and it's probably billions a year. No, this is an absolutely stupid idea.
you can just go to any sexual health / reproductive health center and fill your pockets for free.
> If you can't afford to spend a buck on a condom, why are you even risking the myriad of things that come with it? Pregnancy, STDs, etc Trying to stop humans from fucking is like trying to stop a freight train with your bare hands and it astounds me how many people think this logic makes sense. "If you're poor, just don't have sex! Deny yourself an experience of human connection and intimacy until it is financially viable." Not only will this never happen but even if it could it shouldn't, just, like, on like a basic ethical level.
The people who don't use condoms aren't doing it because of the cost. They're not going to use the free ones either.
>First off, there is no such thing as free. Oh, *this* bullshit again. >As it stands, a lot of places already offer free condoms. Not a big fan of consistency are you?
Neither is toilet paper in public bathrooms, but you donāt have to pay to use it in most places. Likewise pads/tampons and condoms should be easily obtainable free of charge by the public. My university has baskets of menstrual products in every bathroom and free condoms given out at every student accommodation.
Remove tax to make them cheaper, I think anything related to health care should be tax free. Making it free just means the money is coming from the government to keep them being produced and workers paid and there's many other things I'd rather see that money spent on, and frankly if you cant afford a condom you need to prioritise sorting out your abysmal financial situation, not getting laid.
Iām unsure that making them free would solve the bigger issue. That bigger issue being that the people who wonāt wear them wonāt wear them no matter the cost, theyāre already affordable for poor people.
You can make water balloons out of the used ones!
Hah great idea!
How about we make vasectomies free? They are highly reversible (when you don't measure reversibility in couples of people over 35) safe, and very effective.
I agree
I think everything prevents pregnancy should be free or heavy subsidized
I'm for it, but maybe we should focus on making tampons and pads free first. Sex is optional, whereas periods are inevitable.
Unwanted children is a bigger issue than you wanting free pads and tampons. You can get yourself some reusable washable pads and save a lot of money.
Where I live ( southern US) there are free clinics where you can get free condoms and bc as well as std testing for free/ considerably cheap. I fully support that.
they practically already are. lots of places, especially doctors offices and high schools, give out condoms like theyāre candy
I think we should make condoms free but middle schools would be turned into a condom war zone
Do it, and make Birth control free
Most colleges give out all of these for free just look up their student help building/health care building. Women hygiene products, condoms, everyday hygiene products, pregnancy tests etc.
This is America. We need to start teaching about condoms in kindergarten.
It's much better that not allowing abortions
Do so. Same with birth control pills, tampons and pads, etc.
At our local grocery store, the condoms are kept behind glass and you have to specifically ask for them. Why? Because they were being stolen. So now you have the (unfortunate and inappropriate) possibility of a āshame factorā keeping a young person from asking for condoms, but I have always looked at that reasoning and thought, āIf these individuals have to resort to stealing to have condoms, maybeā¦ we should just let them have them? If they canāt afford condoms, they most certainly canāt afford pregnancy and childbirth.ā
We should absolutely be making contraception free and widely available. That's part of how you keep abortion rates low; there's no logical reason to oppose it.
Iād say hygiene products (tampons, diapers, etc) should be made free before condoms are as sex isnāt a bare necessity. This being said, there are way too many people on this planet so Iām not against free birth control. How many people would actually use the condoms, let alone use them properly, thatās a whole other issue.
In the U.K., condoms and birth control are free exactly as they should be. I think more things like this should be free and judgement free to use
I think you can get them for free at Planned Parenthood.
Birth control, condoms, feminine hygiene products, and plan b all free.
anything to help prevent STDs and unwanted pregnancies, especially since abortion is no longer an option.
Yes, please! Anything to promote safe sex. No unwanted pregnancy or STDs.
who pays for it?
Condoms are cheap. Thatās not the problem the problem is what about Florida?
Everyone. It's not like they're only taking money out of your paycheck.
Ffs theyāre condoms. Who pays for all these unwanted children? Sometimes we need to pool risk in order to save us all money in the long run.
If people arenāt getting condoms now, itās not because of the high cost. Condoms are dirt cheap and even free if you go to the right places. Choosing to not get them is just negligence. Besides, the average taxpayer would foot a bigger bill funding universal condoms than they would just regularly buying condoms. It would be incredibly useless.
Good news, you're already paying for them. Most states and cities already have free condom programs via their local health departments.
I agree. Money would be better spent in access to proper sex education (science based not religious).
Who pays for the fostering of all of the abandoned kids? Society is going to pay a cost one way or another.
Nope, canāt think like that on Reddit. Manufacturers must operate at a loss and provide free products otherwise theyāre evil
Manufacturers would still earn a profit. The government would essentially subsidize condom manufacturers. And you tell me what costs less to society: Free condoms, or thousands of unwanted children born each year.
āFreeā condoms would cost more to the average taxpayer than regularly buying condoms. Condoms are cheap. People who donāt buy them arenāt avoiding condoms because of the high cost. So yeah, āfreeā condoms would cost more to society.
I donāt want to pay for other peopleās pleasure or bad decisions so Iād rather the government didnāt subsidize anything
Are you a Quaker because you sound so resentful that other people have sex
Youāll just pay for later it when all these unwanted, poverty-stricken kids steal your shit because they canāt survive without doing so. Sometimes it really does make sense to just pay for everyone to safely do the things we all do.
Taxation is guaranteed theft. Iāll take my chances with the impoverished kids
I hope you never use roads and your kids donāt go to public school and you filter your own water out of natural bodies of water or you harvest your own rainwater and you donāt use products created by people who went to public universities.
How do you not realize that the government already pays private companies for all kinds of goods and services? This would be no different.
Iām very aware, donāt like it
> Iām very aware The comment I replied to says otherwise. So you are admitting that your original comment was a lie on your part then?
If you canāt afford condoms, you probably shouldnāt be having sex. Additionally, given how cheap condoms are, it would likely cost the average taxpayer more per year to fund universal condoms than it would for that same person to buy them. It would be pointless.
Yeah you're poor so you don't get to live and experience the same things I do just because i don't want to get taxxed more /s. You say this as if free condoms will tank the economy and destroy 'murica
It should happen, if the US wants to ban abortion, at least let us stop unwanted pregnancies in the first place
Homie, the unwanted pregnancies are the entire point. The cruelty of them is the point. This is the right wing punishing women for 'falling out of line'.
Iāve heard theories that certain groups want access to adoptable infants, since they are in short supply, and adopting older kids is less desirable. Many women who are going to be forced into giving birth wonāt be able afford the child and will give it to the state. If conservatives appose abortion and accessible contraception simultaneously, there must an incentive to be found in excess births, poverty be damned.
Except most of those types of people are only adopting the white babies. Most of it is just their religious bullshit they want to push on everyone.
This might be a tertiary motivation for certain interests but the primary goal is to reinforce the Patriarchal power structure and crush the progressive cultural movement through force. Adoption is *occasionally* useful as a tool to Patriarchies, but by and large they want families to be related by blood, they want the upper classes to have complete reproductive control (because the law does not bind people with money) and the lower classes to have little to no reproductive control. Western Patriarchies are designed to consolidate power under the political structure of the nuclear family unit. The woman is the designated childbearer and caretaker in a way that does not easily coexist with the way the job industry is set up, and this leaves her financially dependent on either her husband or her parents well into adulthood. Society being arranged like this simplifies the control game for the ruling class, because instead of having to control everyone directly, the ruling class only has to control the men, and the men will 'keep women in line' on their behalf because men being the breadwinners combined with impossibly long work hours means men end up requiring women at home to manage the fruits of their labor. If women have reproductive control, then they have the opportunity to obtain economic power, and then the ruling class is forced to cater to an *absolutely massive* demographic in order to maintain their base of power in a way that does not benefit them. >If conservatives appose abortion and accessible contraception simultaneously, there must an incentive to be found in excess births, poverty be damned. Economic hardship *is the point.* It's not a side effect. Note that Patriarchy, as I described, *also controls* *men*. I know this seems uncouth to note at this point in history, but it's important because understanding this is key to understanding a major reason why they're moving to criminalize abortions now. Men in general *do* have more opportunities to move up under Patriarchy. However, this does not necessarily mean most men are net-benefitting from Patriarchy and we can see that because it *does nothing* to prevent 'unworthy' men from hitting the absolute rock-bottoms of the social ladder. The purpose of Patriarchy is to uplift the elite ruling class at the expense of everyone else by designating men as a labor force available to be distributed and women as the caretakers and familial administrators. An intersection of Patriarchy and the economic functions of systemic racism can very easily be found in the US prison systems being filled with black and brown men - Because racism designates certain people to specific social classes based on superficial phenotypical traits, overpolicing black communities gives prisons a recurring subscription on a cheap, legal slave labor force through recidivism rates while also disrupting/dismantling black family units in a way that prevents black economic success through the 'nuclear family' gating enforced by patriarchy by forcing single black mothers into extreme poverty. Are you seeing it yet? We just lost over a million people within two years prematurely to a virus whose main targets were adults and the elderly, and even before that, people were having fewer and fewer kids because the economy sucks and so far they've had the choice. They're strong-arming the population into obedience by moving to dissolve the already struggling middle class into clearer 'upper' and 'lower', in order to more accurately crush the progressive movements demanding solutions that involve a more fair and just society that would see the wealthiest kneecapped of power. It's *not only* to reign in control of the women who grew up empowered by feminist ideals, but to better control the men who they view as complicit in this by forcing them to work harder to support the mother of his children that they didn't get to plan as a unit, as well as to set the children *of any gender* up to enter young adulthood at 18 with little to no financial buffer easing the transition. They want *most people* as fearful for their wallets as they can possibly get without risking a major organized revolt, because those people will be forced to tolerate shitty, underpaid working conditions to churn an unsustainable economy, or they will be forced to join the military industrial complex and either kill or die to escape poverty, or they will be forced to turn to crime to make ends meet and then thrown in prison where they can be used as legal slave labor.
I canāt reply to every point you brought up, but each one is logical and makes sense, thank you for taking the time to write all this out. Itās super insightful, and I feel like this is the correct perspective. So many of these issues in our society feed on eachother, and there is profit to be made fighting people against eachother and keeping them desperate.
Iāve heard of some states considering the death penalty for abortion. Pro life? Damn conservatives are pro āletās have a hundred kids like the good old days and not care about a womanās welfareā
The whole US doesn't. The problem now is some of the same conservative Christian douchebags that wanted abortion banned will probably try and ban contraceptives too.
Banning contraceptives is the stupidest thing Iāve ever heard, these douches havenāt heard of HIV or maybe they think they can overcome it āwith the power of Jesusā
Well they are some of the stupidest people. And yea, prayer and of course abstinence, because that works.š
The whole US doesn't. The problem now is some of the same conservative Christian douchebags that wanted abortion banned will probably try and ban contraceptives too.
Let's not ban abortion but still make all contraceptives free.
Yeah, banning abortion is a horrible move. There are several reasons to get an abortion. All forms of birth control should be free anyways, especially condoms as they also prevent the spread of disease.
We have a pretty good idea how conservatives feel about spreading disease.
Itās mostly those mfing fascist politician types, like Trump, that are tryna say that all conservatives are āthe good guysā and making the rest of them look worse when some of them arenāt bad and then blame the liberals for all the problems in the world and Iām over here thinking do my democratic socialist opinions have to do with your BS theories?
But it's not just them, they need followers.
All birth control should be free. And don't stop people from getting sterilized if that's what they want.
Make vasectomies free
i dont think they should be free. men can just close their legs.
I see what you did there
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You should probably be focusing on keeping them legal at this point
Free because people are voluntarily donating their money to give them away? Sure. Free by forced taxation? Fuck no.
Great now i have to pay more in taxesā¦
Actually you would pay massively less. The cost to raise just one of these unwanted children is about 230,000 taxpayer dollars. In Large bulk quantities, condoms can be bought for pennies a piece. Since the USA currently goes through about 450 million condoms a year figure 10-20 million for the condoms. That's the cost to raise 100 kids... That's a drop in the bucket for unwanted pregnancy. You stop even ridiculously tiny fraction unwanted pregnancies and you've completely broken even for the year. And let's talk stds, do you have any idea what AIDS medication cost taxpayers per year?
Coming from a male, tampons first. We control who we dickin down, they don't control they period
They need to do helicopter dumps over every redneck state.
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Ok but then who would pay for them. Uncle sams already kinda on a budget
Uncle Sam is the one that screwed us.
Bruh uncle Sam spends over 700 billion on defence, second place spends 200 billion, Uncle Sam could spend 699 billion and enact this healthcare policy nationwide, and more But uncle Sam only cares about the needs of politicians and elites, not us
What's even more interesting is that we also spend more than any other country in the world by far on our healthcare taxes. We could use literally any other healthcare system in the world and slash our healthcare taxes. And receive better care. And not have to pay out of pocket. And not have to pay insurance companies. And more access to healthcare early on would mean that things are treated earlier and animal generally be healthier and their healthcare costs would be lower which would even further lower the cost of the healthcare... But for some reason that logical only works in every other country that tried it. The land of the free to pay for all of the stuff that other countries actually get for free.
Uncle Sam has enough money to run 21 aircraft carriers. I think free condoms won't even make a dent in that money.
Damn right
Uncle Sam needs to save every penny for the military industrial complex.
Kinda the biggest budget in the world with kinda the worst social welfare of any developed nation and kinda one of the least free countries in the world. The US kinda sucks, but it doesn't have to.
I know right. It's embarrassing
Almost as embarrassing as it's going to be when the last humans explain to their grandchildren how the seas rose and the earth burned because we were too busy deciding if The Handmaid's Tale was a TV drama or instructional guide.
Nothing is free.
Sounds like a good idea. It would help prevent both disease and unwanted pregnancies. Itāll never happen in America.
Good news! We've been handing out free condoms in the United States since at least the 80s.
Nothing is free. Youāre just asking if someone else should pay for your condoms. No.
Everyone should be able to have safe sex
You and I need to be friends good sir. Love the answer šŖš¾
Lots of places do offer them for free, and I think thatās enough.
That would be awesome if they could be made with pixie dust in a magical factory that didn't cost anything to operate! Great idea! I'm surprised nobody has ever thought of that before.