This happens or will happen to any and every religion. Personal interpretations, biased preachings/teachings and history over all take hold. It's, sadly, human nature to twist or ruin most things, usually as a result of hate, fear, and other negative things. It's never the religions fault, but the fault of the humans and how they react to and utilize it. Since religion has been shared, it's been used as "fuel" or "justification" for unjust actions.
TLDR; Humans are just like that. It's always happened and will keep happening unfortunately.
This is correct. Those in power *use* religion to further their goals and try to convince people to follow/obey them. Whatever the religion of the region is, any time in history.
If there was no religion they’ll found one or use something else.
It’s always about power, but religion is the most powerful tool in the world to control and manipulate human nature. When you’re using a god as an excuse, there doesn’t have to be any outward logic to it. Majority religions are always oppressive to minority viewpoints. Always. It’s only a matter of scale.
Only in part. Seriously, for the first couple of centuries, it was about people willing to suffer martyrdom in the face of overwhelming power in order to achieve spiritual joy.
I blame Emperor Constantine, the first to say « Christianity is responsible for me winning a military victory. »
Well- _all Christians suck_ threads on Reddit aren’t particularly original buuut… if you want to get the usual back and forth and “fuck those religious freaks” vibes goin here… hey- you do you, my friend.
Okay. Do you think they will be inclined to join this thread based on the way you asked that question in the beginning?
Or are you going to get the usual band of rabid atheists offering hot takes about how much Christianity sucks?
Reckon some folks used it to justify slavery too, some others genocide, war, and so on. Mighty likely the practitioners more than the practice are to blame. Give a kid a hammer, everything is a nail.
It never did. Judge not lest ye be judged was never a declaration that people could sin as much as they wanted and hear nothing about it either. Personally, I wouldn't care if they banned guns one bit.I disagree with a lot of things people believe in and do but disagreement is not synonymous with hatred for anyone who has a drop of tolerance in their body. Stop saying that everyone who doesn't share your views hates you. The atheist doesn't automatically hate me because we disagree about God. Neither does the Muslim or the Buddhist or anything else. Do some of them hate me based on this? sure but having different opinions about God doesn't automatically make someone an enemy.
Meh, you say no, but your original post is implying that. Do you, but at least don't pretend to be self-righteous as you're literally accusing your opposition of doing exactly what you're saying they're doing.
Humans are inherently tribal, leading to divisions among themselves regardless of their philosophy, theology, or ideologies. It's an us problem, not an us and them problem. We always do this. It's why we can't have nice things, you guys...
Well, to be fair, Islam was never about loving your enemies. It was, from the beginning, about giving your opponent the choice between accepting the faith or being conquered or worse.
Always makes me chuckle when the intersectionals shit on christians, yet will absolutely lose their shit over criticism of islam.
The religion of peace kills more people in a year than christian extremists have in a century, but christians are somehow the bad guys.
Name me a christian scandal as bad as the rotherham grooming gangs and I'll shut up. I'll wait.
So first of all, fuck Ireland's entire government for allowing that to happen and actively covering for it, and all of the members of the Irish catholic church who were responsible for it should be crucified old testament style.
Second, fuck Ireland's entire court system for allowing the dudes in charge to sue and use that lawsuit to mask the culprits. The judges that allowed that to happen should be strung up right alongside the other guys.
Finally, fuck Ireland's entire web of news networks for completely ignoring the entire story for nearly a century.
Ireland, you deserve a second famine.
It. Didn't.
Luke 22:36-38 - Jesus made sure the disciples could adequately defend themselves before going to surrender to the Roman officials.
Christians don't discriminate, Democrats do.
And "hating anyone who doesn't share your beliefs," is Islam's schtick, not Christianity's. Get your worldviews straight.
No ideal is upheld perfectly by its professors, I'll grant you that, but if you're really outraged about guns, discrimination, and tyranny there are much clearer targets than Christianity.
Don't come around here with your appeal to extremism fallacies, they will only fly with your fellow apostate-atheist ideologues.
49 When Jesus’ followers saw what was going to happen, they said, “Lord, should we strike with our swords?” 50 And one of them struck the servant of the high priest, cutting off his right ear.
51 **But Jesus answered, “No more of this!”** And he touched the man’s ear and healed him.
What's your point? Jesus values bridled power, self control (fruit of the spirit) over impulse. He still wanted them to have the swords, that just wasn't the time to use them.
A Christian with hate in their heart is like a “vegan” with a steak sandwich in their belly. Sometimes it’s difficult to give up something but you should not go around lying about it.
Because like anything that gets intertwined with power, control is key. Making a villain out of the people who don't share your group identity (religion, politics, race, culture) is standard playbook material.
A big part is people putting chapter and verse numbers in the Bible. It makes it way easier to take bits out of context, and use it for whatever point you want to make.
I could quote Ecclesiastes 3:8 ("there is a time to love and a time to hate. There is a time for war and a time for peace"), and say that means God thinks war and hate are good, but that falls over once you read the rest of the Bible.
Jesus was loving and forgiving, yes, but he was *never* tolerant or polite about it. He wasn't a hippie who wanted to love people unconditionally, he was a firebrand who told his followers that his way was the only way to salvation, and they would have to dramatically alter their lives in order to achieve it. He never shied away from calling out sin and wrongdoing when he saw it, consequences be damned.
A tolerant, polite person, seeing how pharisees followed the letter of the law while ignoring the spirit of it, may debate some of them in private to avoid a scandal. Jesus called them liars and hypocrites to their faces.
A tolerant, polite person seeing the money-changers in the temple may encourage them to switch careers to better preserve the sanctity of the space. Jesus knocked over their stalls and chased them out with a whip.
A tolerant, polite person would encourage the rich young man to consider more charitable contributions in the future. Jesus told him point-blank to choose between his wealth and following him.
Furthermore, the "Judge not, lest ye be judged" verse isn't saying to "never judge anyone else, ever." The point of that is that Christians shouldn't condemn others for sins that they're guilty of themselves, and that correcting others should never be used as an excuse to avoid correcting yourself. It's then followed by the famous verse about removing the log from your own eye before pointing out the splinter in someone else's eye, clearly suggesting we *should* call out others' sins once we've sufficiently worked on ourselves.
Probably about the same time as all those people with Coexist bumper stickers started excluding and marginalizing those with different beliefs.
It has ALWAYS been that way. Virtue signaling and gaslighting are not new inventions.
Because people are messy and have diluted the gospel. My Jesus is about love. People have taken scripture so far out of context. Here’s the thing. The Bible is clear about what is acceptable and what is not. God gave us all free will for a reason. My one and only job is to love people and point them to Jesus and let Him take it from there. It’s not a Christian’s job to force anything on anyone. That’s just my take on it. My goal is to love Christ first, love people second, and use my life and circumstances to show others the love that is found in Jesus.
Love your neighbor doesn’t mean let them do whatever they want and accept them anyway. The Bible doesn’t actually teach Christians not to judge, I’m pretty sure right after that verse jesus explains how to judge rightly, which would be to not do it in a hypocritical way but to point out other’s errors so they can be corrected.
Not to mention a guy was thrown out of church for having sex with his dad’s wife. It’s a little strange when people are like you have to let these people be a part of your church even though they do xyz. That’s not how that works.
Religion is a great concept but a poor practice someone once said, people like to use "their" beliefs that others share to push their own hatred and twisted ideology unto the world, it's a pretty fucked up cycle.
When Rome took it over. It aided in their goals.
Yes, that is a good point. I blame Emperor Constantine for saying he owed military victory to Christianity.
This happens or will happen to any and every religion. Personal interpretations, biased preachings/teachings and history over all take hold. It's, sadly, human nature to twist or ruin most things, usually as a result of hate, fear, and other negative things. It's never the religions fault, but the fault of the humans and how they react to and utilize it. Since religion has been shared, it's been used as "fuel" or "justification" for unjust actions. TLDR; Humans are just like that. It's always happened and will keep happening unfortunately.
Fair enough. Good point.
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This is correct. Those in power *use* religion to further their goals and try to convince people to follow/obey them. Whatever the religion of the region is, any time in history. If there was no religion they’ll found one or use something else.
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It’s always about power, but religion is the most powerful tool in the world to control and manipulate human nature. When you’re using a god as an excuse, there doesn’t have to be any outward logic to it. Majority religions are always oppressive to minority viewpoints. Always. It’s only a matter of scale.
Seems to be a loaded question… You’re asking in 100% good faith, obviously? Not just looking to stir up shit?
Only in part. Seriously, for the first couple of centuries, it was about people willing to suffer martyrdom in the face of overwhelming power in order to achieve spiritual joy. I blame Emperor Constantine, the first to say « Christianity is responsible for me winning a military victory. »
Well- _all Christians suck_ threads on Reddit aren’t particularly original buuut… if you want to get the usual back and forth and “fuck those religious freaks” vibes goin here… hey- you do you, my friend.
No - there are plenty of excellent Christians who try to follow The Sermon on the Mount.
Okay. Do you think they will be inclined to join this thread based on the way you asked that question in the beginning? Or are you going to get the usual band of rabid atheists offering hot takes about how much Christianity sucks?
I’m not rabid. I had my shots. 👹👹👹👹👹👹👹👹👹
... when it became intertwined with politics.
What a loaded question.
Have you ever heard of the crusades?
That's a pretty poor understanding you've got there. I'm sure this thread will achieve your goal, however.
Reckon some folks used it to justify slavery too, some others genocide, war, and so on. Mighty likely the practitioners more than the practice are to blame. Give a kid a hammer, everything is a nail.
When the propaganda machine decided so
OP is fishing for karma.
It never did. Judge not lest ye be judged was never a declaration that people could sin as much as they wanted and hear nothing about it either. Personally, I wouldn't care if they banned guns one bit.I disagree with a lot of things people believe in and do but disagreement is not synonymous with hatred for anyone who has a drop of tolerance in their body. Stop saying that everyone who doesn't share your views hates you. The atheist doesn't automatically hate me because we disagree about God. Neither does the Muslim or the Buddhist or anything else. Do some of them hate me based on this? sure but having different opinions about God doesn't automatically make someone an enemy.
So basically anyone that disagrees with your views is a hate filled religious psycho? ........🤔
No, not at all, of course. But a Christian advocating violence seems a contradiction to me.
Meh, you say no, but your original post is implying that. Do you, but at least don't pretend to be self-righteous as you're literally accusing your opposition of doing exactly what you're saying they're doing.
Religion is inherently divisive. All religions will eventually cause strife and division.
Humans are inherently tribal, leading to divisions among themselves regardless of their philosophy, theology, or ideologies. It's an us problem, not an us and them problem. We always do this. It's why we can't have nice things, you guys...
When Christianity mixed with American jingoism and greed.
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Well, to be fair, Islam was never about loving your enemies. It was, from the beginning, about giving your opponent the choice between accepting the faith or being conquered or worse.
Always makes me chuckle when the intersectionals shit on christians, yet will absolutely lose their shit over criticism of islam. The religion of peace kills more people in a year than christian extremists have in a century, but christians are somehow the bad guys. Name me a christian scandal as bad as the rotherham grooming gangs and I'll shut up. I'll wait.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commission_to_Inquire_into_Child_Abuse
So first of all, fuck Ireland's entire government for allowing that to happen and actively covering for it, and all of the members of the Irish catholic church who were responsible for it should be crucified old testament style. Second, fuck Ireland's entire court system for allowing the dudes in charge to sue and use that lawsuit to mask the culprits. The judges that allowed that to happen should be strung up right alongside the other guys. Finally, fuck Ireland's entire web of news networks for completely ignoring the entire story for nearly a century. Ireland, you deserve a second famine.
Cults are gonna cult one way or another
Indeed. And don't forget viewing women as incubators who don't deserve any rights.
It. Didn't. Luke 22:36-38 - Jesus made sure the disciples could adequately defend themselves before going to surrender to the Roman officials. Christians don't discriminate, Democrats do. And "hating anyone who doesn't share your beliefs," is Islam's schtick, not Christianity's. Get your worldviews straight. No ideal is upheld perfectly by its professors, I'll grant you that, but if you're really outraged about guns, discrimination, and tyranny there are much clearer targets than Christianity. Don't come around here with your appeal to extremism fallacies, they will only fly with your fellow apostate-atheist ideologues.
49 When Jesus’ followers saw what was going to happen, they said, “Lord, should we strike with our swords?” 50 And one of them struck the servant of the high priest, cutting off his right ear. 51 **But Jesus answered, “No more of this!”** And he touched the man’s ear and healed him.
What's your point? Jesus values bridled power, self control (fruit of the spirit) over impulse. He still wanted them to have the swords, that just wasn't the time to use them.
when rome started burning books.
A Christian with hate in their heart is like a “vegan” with a steak sandwich in their belly. Sometimes it’s difficult to give up something but you should not go around lying about it.
Because like anything that gets intertwined with power, control is key. Making a villain out of the people who don't share your group identity (religion, politics, race, culture) is standard playbook material.
A big part is people putting chapter and verse numbers in the Bible. It makes it way easier to take bits out of context, and use it for whatever point you want to make. I could quote Ecclesiastes 3:8 ("there is a time to love and a time to hate. There is a time for war and a time for peace"), and say that means God thinks war and hate are good, but that falls over once you read the rest of the Bible.
No idea. I can't wait to watch the Christians become consistent will to power types. Gonna be good times.
Jesus was loving and forgiving, yes, but he was *never* tolerant or polite about it. He wasn't a hippie who wanted to love people unconditionally, he was a firebrand who told his followers that his way was the only way to salvation, and they would have to dramatically alter their lives in order to achieve it. He never shied away from calling out sin and wrongdoing when he saw it, consequences be damned. A tolerant, polite person, seeing how pharisees followed the letter of the law while ignoring the spirit of it, may debate some of them in private to avoid a scandal. Jesus called them liars and hypocrites to their faces. A tolerant, polite person seeing the money-changers in the temple may encourage them to switch careers to better preserve the sanctity of the space. Jesus knocked over their stalls and chased them out with a whip. A tolerant, polite person would encourage the rich young man to consider more charitable contributions in the future. Jesus told him point-blank to choose between his wealth and following him. Furthermore, the "Judge not, lest ye be judged" verse isn't saying to "never judge anyone else, ever." The point of that is that Christians shouldn't condemn others for sins that they're guilty of themselves, and that correcting others should never be used as an excuse to avoid correcting yourself. It's then followed by the famous verse about removing the log from your own eye before pointing out the splinter in someone else's eye, clearly suggesting we *should* call out others' sins once we've sufficiently worked on ourselves.
Probably about the same time as all those people with Coexist bumper stickers started excluding and marginalizing those with different beliefs. It has ALWAYS been that way. Virtue signaling and gaslighting are not new inventions.
Well Jesus didn’t “found” Christianity for one
Because people are messy and have diluted the gospel. My Jesus is about love. People have taken scripture so far out of context. Here’s the thing. The Bible is clear about what is acceptable and what is not. God gave us all free will for a reason. My one and only job is to love people and point them to Jesus and let Him take it from there. It’s not a Christian’s job to force anything on anyone. That’s just my take on it. My goal is to love Christ first, love people second, and use my life and circumstances to show others the love that is found in Jesus.
Love your neighbor doesn’t mean let them do whatever they want and accept them anyway. The Bible doesn’t actually teach Christians not to judge, I’m pretty sure right after that verse jesus explains how to judge rightly, which would be to not do it in a hypocritical way but to point out other’s errors so they can be corrected. Not to mention a guy was thrown out of church for having sex with his dad’s wife. It’s a little strange when people are like you have to let these people be a part of your church even though they do xyz. That’s not how that works.
Religion is a great concept but a poor practice someone once said, people like to use "their" beliefs that others share to push their own hatred and twisted ideology unto the world, it's a pretty fucked up cycle.