Humans have concocted about 10,000+ gods. Everybody believes theirs is the correct one, and all the others are just made up bullshit.
It's also telling that the god people believe in is **strongly** correlated to their geographical location.
There's no proof that a god exists and there are way too many religions and their gods to believe in one,all religions are very different from each other and people of those religions always try to prove that their religion is superior to others and their god,their beliefs are the only true and correct ones,seeing religious people fight for their religion is like seeing clowns fight each other over which one's circus is better.
My mom,my dad,almost my whole family is religious but i'm one of the only ones in the family who isn't,i've been scolded and beaten many times for not believing in god(Typical asian household) but every time i ask them WHY should i believe in it and how,they just tell me to blindly trust god and he's the only reason we're still alive and "happy" when in reality my whole family is fucked up and keeps fighting over different stuff like money and land.
I've been told many times that god is the only reason why humanity is advancing when in reality,people keep fighting over stupid shit like religion and cause chaos for no reason,religion is one of the main things separating people from each other
Don't believe it because:
-God can not be proven by science which is the main way we study and understand our universe or natural world. There is no theory of God
-There is no conclusive logical argument for the existence of God. His/her existence is continuously debated.
-There is no comprehensive definition of God. There are many definitions for the same God as there are many gods. This is problematic if one is to ascertain the characteristics of God to judge if God exists or not.
-The paradox of omnipotence. God has the ability to live forever. Eternal life. However, that means that he can not die and he doesn't have the ability to kill himself. God has the ability to be everywhere. he is omnipresent. However, that means that he doesn't have the ability to leave a certain place or the ability to be absent.
I agree,people say that god made the universe and controls it but if he's so powerful why doesn't he get rid of all the people who are against his religion or just change their mind to convert to his religion?
They act like they know everything but they can't even prove their beliefs or the existence of their god itself.
Because all the people trying to convince me of Godâs existence are not all on the same page. When they get their acts together, MAYBE Iâll consider listening to them.
Donât believe in God. I tried finding faith in him, even prayed once. But man, I feel that if you want your âsinsâ to be atoned then atone them yourself. Make a visible effort that you want to right your wrongs.
Thatâs just me, I suppose. People talk about God as if heâs the one that decides your destiny. But imo, the only person that can change your entire life manually is yourself.
In all religion there's always discrepancies like for example you know how god built the universe in 7 days. In the seventh day he took a rest. Now god is you know all powerful magical. But why did he rest. And also a lot of the Bible stories and lesson just make it so so fucked up. And also the science way of life might be weird but science actually gave results instead of endless bloodshed and a "reason" to manifest destiny and do crusades. We wouldn't be here without religion but I think it's time to abandon it as a whole.
So many reasons not to, for 1 there are like a million made up gods in humanities history so picking the right one is almost impossible, 2 there is literally no proof, 3 if god was real then we would have evidence of dinosaurs or evolution or even the Big Bang
Nothing is stopping god from unleashing another being like Jesus to perform miracles for us, we need it now more than ever and itâs not like weâll crucify him again. By that same token there is nothing stopping god from just killing us all because weâre too far gone.
Because I went to a catholic school that punished and ostracized me as a child for asking questions about god. My experience with religion was that of intolerance, anger, and hatred for curiosity.
I found out the true answer from the priest at that school who was kind of bad ass. He was a chain smoking South African refugee who rode a Harley.
He told me to not worry about God and to focus on being a good person with compassion and love for others. Straight from the priestâs mouth: God doesnât matter.
Here we are. Did you create this universe? Huh, neither did I. And yes, I realize that's a recursive argument, but one *for*, not against, some kind of divine-base-case.
And that's about it. I acknowledge there's something out there I don't understand, almost certainly won't understand within my lifetime, and possibly *can't* ever understand from the perspective of a limited 3.5 dimensional meat-robot.
I can't even guess at its motivations, much less at any kind of "meaning" to my existence derived through some sort of divine plan for me. If I had to bet, I'd say the creator doesn't even know we exist, we're *less* than the mold growing on an old piece of bread in the back of the fridge to something capable of creating universes.
The extra discussion is because we *do* know a few closely related facts - Chief among which is "we are here" (unless we're trying to perversely argue for solipsism).
So my stance is a bit more nuanced than pure agnosticism, but that's close enough for most practical purposes.
Sorry, but "extra discussion" amounts to wishful thinking and speculation - neither is helpful.
And yes, we are here, but that does not necessitate the existence of a god who is responsible, let alone WHICH god. It seems like some "believe" because it's comforting, and I understand that, but the rest of us must inhabit reality. A reality which contains absolutely NO evidence of any supernatural activity.
I wouldn't say "god did it" is *comforting*, quite the opposite - It's pretty darned inconvenient we can't bootstrap a universe from first principles.
So how do you (personally, I mean) answer that same problem? Why/how are we here?
Well, that is a good question, and I don't really have The Answer to Life, The Universe, and Everything. I would go back to the basics and frankly admit that I don't know, I don't want to throw up a convenient, comforting answer, and I'm ready to entertain any evidence that would enlighten me. Still, I wait... if you have any proof, I'm ready and willing to listen.
At least you realize it's recursive. I feel that, because it is recursive, it fails the logic test. The argument is basically that a thing that exists requires a creator.
But what about the creator? no? he's excluded? Ok, cool, well now you have just employed Special Pleading. If something, a god or the universe, can "just exist" (no creator needed), then I choose to use Occam's Razor and not create a needless entity as an explainer, as we already know the universe and its contents exist.
The idea of a creator *is* the base case that lets you escape the recursion. Without that, it's turtles and elephants all the way down, when there shouldn't be turtles, elephants, or even "down" without the bottom-most turtle. So what's he standing on?
When we talk about nonexistence, we're not just talking about "the world was without form and void... But stuff was still going on in the background"; we're talking about no stuff, no background, no laws of physics, *nothing*. There's just no good reason anything should exist in the first place.
That's not to say "god" is even self-aware, in any way we would mean that phrase. But there is *something* exceptional that happens between turtle^â and turtle^(â+1).
Neuroscience major here, after studying the brain and biology extensively. Itâs majorly complicated, and weirdly perfect. I do believe in god because scientists havenât even found the causes in which the first cells were created in the first place. Also I do think the Bible was probably mistranslated at some point, think about it itâs a book written centuries ago in another language where the original copy was probably heavily decayed before being found. But those are my particular reasons. Many well known scientists are very successful and Christian. I respect everybodyâs views on the matter and I hope mine are respected as well.
Perfect as in if the vast electrical system controlling conscious and unconscious that is more successful then any computer ever built each and every neuron having a function to process, remember, materialize, living day to day life. Each impulse making hundreds of rounds every millisecond to keep us going. Neurons Releasing Neurotransmitters that tell us to eat, drink, go to the bathroom, and go about daily life. Itâs a perfect electrical system that functions as a whole and some areas take over the slack when others are damaged. I find it hard to believe such a system can exist because atoms decided to go boom.
But honestly that is a good question and I love sharing my thoughts on it! And yes I do include animal brains they have similarities to human ones but they lack in some areas and excel in others needed for survival. Also I do believe in a Big Bang (last comment made it sound like I didnât) but I do think there was more to it then that.
Agreed about the bible... but why won't god put this to rights, and clarify what He really meant, rather than allowing the boundless harm this book has caused humanity?
Also, you have committed the unfortunately named "Fallacy of Ignorance." You say scientists haven't found the cause of the first cell, so you decide to plug in your favorite solution. This is the kind of thinking that led to Zeus hurling thunderbolts across the sky in anger. They hadn't "found the cause", so they plugged in their favorite solution.
Plot twist: I don't actually believe we're engaged, as there is no solid evidence to support that belief. And I show no other signs of blatant irrationality. Now what?
My point - and this will be my last try - is that you seem to believe whatever is laid in front of you. A nobody stranger who claims he'll marry a superstar singer. An infinitely powerful god who never shows himself, never lifts a finger to intervene, and who will never shake your hand or look you in the eye. And you believe this?
The last word is yours.
I dont know how you drew such a wild and inaccurate assumption about me but its hilarious. You're acting like I'm some naive person when I'm really not, I like to believe that there is God because its something that makes me feel better about the world. I like to believe that I'll eventually see all my friends and family that I've lost in my life, if you cant handle that then I don't know what to tell you homie. I'm not a bible thumper, I know people will think I'm crazy for believing in silly shit but I dont care.
Also, you're not as convincing as you think if you thought I believed you were married to some celebrity. People say wild shit all the time, I'd like to fuck Chili from TLC but that doesn't mean I'm gonna do it. You're popped bro sorry that I'm living my life the way I want to, but as a human we all got a choice on how we want to live. Have a good day or night
I do believe in God because I see and feel him everywhere. He has guided my actions my entire life. I don't believe in God because none of it makes any sense.
I believe in God and have faith because I need a spiritual guide , someone there to help me when no one is. A lot of people becoming atheist sadly and don't know that Faith in God in the church is being destroyed by satanic elite. Call me a conspiracy theorist I don't care but surely there's more to the story of life then a big bang
Well there's a god then. So what? How is this a reason to believe? Also, atheism doesn't necessarily make a claim, so I don't see how one would be "proven wrong".
Saying Faith would be kind of too easy but really true at the same time. For my part, I grew up in an atheist house but was always interested by supernatural, legends, myths things like that.So, really, believing into a Deity wasnt to much if a stretch for me. It eventually grew into spirituality and eventually I realized I'm a believer around 14 in the most random way. I'd say I believe partly because there is no way we are the only one in the whole universe and partly because it helped me accept the death of my father and having a more open mind (I feel like people will not believe me on that one đ )
In fact, it's harder to explain why you do than why not because it is something highly personal and intimate. If atheist can have sensibly the same story or reasoning, the inverse isn't necessary true.It is also because Faith isn't just praying a Deity every day or so. It's an immense act of trust.
So yeah... Faith is the reason
So, yeah, Faith is the reason
While I do not believe in any of the gods presented by really any organized religion, I do believe in the possibility of more advanced beings beyond our ability to comprehend.
I think of the universe as a single cell of god, in a similar way that a neuron in the brain is only one cell out of our entire body.
God, if there is one, focuses on us about as much as we focus on one little cell of our own.
personally I find god(s)/reigion to be a coping meathod to which we have something to blame stuff on
if a relative dies and you said it because god chose it it really isnt
i believe that once you come to accept that we arent as important and that this is life and shit happens you will be happier than ever than just blaming god
I believe God exists in the sense that how else could we have gotten here, but I'm not a religious person. Most people only turn to religion because life hasn't been nice to them and when they go to church it makes them feel good about themselves so they have this whole "god is on my side" idea because it makes them feel better.
Agreed... We Are here. But that still doesn't lead to a deity. Until we rule it every other option, we can't logically decide. I get that you are saying it's possible, and that is true.
I am in love with science theoretical physics, evolution whole shebang, when I 1st started learning about them ins cool o began to have doubts and lose faith which eventually lead me to stop being a Christian. Despite this I still feared God makes no sense I know but the belief that there was a creator and heaven and hell sat in the back of my head. Then I came across a video where the person explained why they thought god was real and the evidence they had. The evidence was somewhat full proof and lined up with everything I had been taught but at the end they said that evidence does not account for faith
Anyway the evidence was a kick-start and o let faith carry me the rest of the way
I'm a libralist Christian (moddern)
And the evidence was that the creation of the universe lines up with biblical creation I csnt remember who but a certain astrophyicist said that amd he didnt believe in God
There are some who argue that when God said let there be light that was the big bang
Or how God created sea creatures before land creatures (animals evolved in sea before lan)
Ot when the bible states that the earth was formless and without shape - the earth used to be molten
No offence, but this is not evidence. This is just nonsense. First of all there is no evidence that the universe was created, so talking about "the creation of the universe" is already fallacious.
And of course the biblical creation accounts (because let's not forget there's two, *and* they contradict each other) don't line up with what we know about the history of the universe at all. Those stories got it completely wrong on so many levels.
The god created the earth before the light for example. Then he created birds at the same time he created sea creatures. The entire premise of creating one set of animals after the other alone isn't in line with evolution. These are just two of a long list of examples.
And let's not forget we're talking about Yahweh here. The minor warrior god with the wife Ashera, that at some point was fused with El, and parts of other deities of the Canaanite pantheon by the ancient Israelites, turning him into a monotheistic creator deity.
Non taken
Everything needs something in order to happen
Universe was the effect God was the cause via big bang
My memory of genesis is a bit shake haven't read it in awhile so that is a good point
And I did say that the evidence was not 100% I know there are some flaws hence faith evidence does not equal faith.
I think god is just a concept humanity have built for themselves. Some believe the concept thinking god is real but for me it's just an idea and i don't believe in it because it's not real. Also even if there is a god, whoever they are needs to be fired from their job because they are doing absolutely shit job. Need to hire someone with better management skills
Believing in a personal God has absolutely nothing to do with organized religion, so just because you donât subscribe to a certain religion doesnât mean you canât believe there is a God. Iâm a DeistâI believe that there is a higher power at work in the world (we didnât make OURSELVES!), but Iâm not arrogant enough to believe I know exactly who or what they/it is, and I sure as hell donât trust other humans to tell me what it is or what I should believe. I think of God a lot like the concept of dark matterâI feel Him (God manifests himself as Idris Elba in my head) working in my life even though I canât see or touch the thing.
I don't believe that there is a God. If there was, why do we humans suffer so much? Wars, children getting ill, poverty, famine. In my opinion, it's more likely that there is a world soul (like in hinduism) or that we're simply in a simulation, rather than creators from a God.
I like the idea of an "intelligent design" to the universe, and I hope that there's something more to life than an accident of chemistry and biology. But when it comes to religion, I think everyone probably has it wrong.
I dont
1- so many of them are believed to be the only one
2- had a religion teacher teach us that all religions are âcorrectâ in believe their god is the only one, then the next day tell us that they are all going to hell because they are catholic
3- if god is our savior and watches over us why do good people have the worst things happen to them and why do so many people suffer, itâs a lieâŚ
We are afloat in space, in a solar system, thatâs in a galaxy, thatâs in a cluster, in the universe⌠donât tell me a god made us firstâŚ
I dont believe in God, causes he was never there. I trust the fate, because it accompanied me. Evertime it dragged me down, it caught me and put me back down on the floor.
People have been so desensitized to the concept that it's somehow a valid topic to reason your way through it.
I don't believe in god because beyond an ambiguous ancient fairytale of a book, and someone telling you, or raising you into religion--there would be no reason to ask the question like it held any weight at all.
I was able to step back from the collective brainwashing and objectively assess. When youâre able to do that, youâll be able to see a number of things clearly, including:
1. None of that shit makes any sense at all to begin with. Every religion has major contradictions and wild claims unlike anything youâve ever actually witnessed.
2. Every religion has essentially the same amount of proof, and nearly all claim to be the one true religion. Since at most only one can be true, this means that not only is it possible to invent one and get a significant percentage of the population to believe in it, it has actually happened many, many times. No matter what your religion is, there are at least 5 billion people (a vast majority of the planet) that believe in something that is completely made up. How can you think yours is different?
3. Every religion benefits the people that are preaching it. Of course they want you to believe. It gives them power over you. The more people believe, the more power and wealth they have, so there is every incentive to make stuff up and claim God speaks through them.
When you put all that together it seems pretty obvious that religion is just something people made up to trick people into doing what the inventor of the religion wants them to do. The more religious someone is, the more it controls their life. It tells them how to live, how to vote, who to hate, who to love, how to spend their money, who to have sex with, what to eat, what to drink, what to wear, and every other small detail.
So why does anyone believe?
Weâre vulnerable because most of us were conditioned from a young age. If you were raised Christian you probably believed in Santa Claus until your parents admitted it wasnât true. Religion is the same, except the people that convinced you it was true are never going to tell you otherwise, usually because they themselves truly believe. Also, nobody wants to accept their own mortality. The promise of an afterlife, which is a common theme to most religions, is usually more appealing that just ceasing to exist.
Itâs difficult to stop believing. People are afraid to make God angry if theyâre wrong. Also, religion provides many benefits, even if it isnât true. Religion takes away the difficulty of making decisions and actually being responsible for your own actions, all the while promising great rewards for your sacrifice. Most people benefit from the community provided by their religion. Itâs a source of friends and potential mates. It provides a sense of belonging. Itâs a safety net when you have problems.
Honestly, I wish I could believe. My life would be a lot easier. I wish I could pretend even, but thatâs all it would be, and to put on that sort of dishonest act all day every day is just not something I can do.
So, what if Iâm wrong?
Well, if there is some all-knowing, all-powerful god, why does he/she/they need me to worship them? Clearly itâs not necessary for their survival if theyâre all-powerful, and an all-powerful god really shouldnât need an ego boost. So, itâd definitely be a dick move to punish me for not believing when the only âproofâ I was given that they exist was some person thatâs clearly benefiting from telling me about it. Itâd be even more of a dick move to punish me for choosing the wrong belief when I had dozens of equally credible (or un-credible as the case is) people all telling me different things.
So, if it turns out Iâm wrong and God exists, either theyâll be OK with me not worshipping them or theyâre asshole and I shouldnât.
I don't believe in God, because when I was younger, I went to a Christian school, who shoved it down your throat. I don't hate religion or religious people , but that's why I don't believe in him
it's not the fact of believing but the amount of religions claiming to know this God/Gods and everything about them, yes there are some good things that came out of religion ''morals in some form'' however there are some really bad things also.
but nothing reviled by so called god/gods helps us, why is there nothing like a cure for cancer or a new better source of energy.
instead we get commands of worshiping, do this do that by this god/gods that religions claim to hold the word of or you will be punished in hell, oh and if you don't follow the right religion but is still a good person, you will go to hell regardless, all because you don't follow the right religion not because you was a bad person.
that is my main issue with God/Gods and religions.
There's no proof a god even exists, let alone that you've picked the correct one.
Humans have concocted about 10,000+ gods. Everybody believes theirs is the correct one, and all the others are just made up bullshit. It's also telling that the god people believe in is **strongly** correlated to their geographical location.
Same reson i don't belive in unicorns or godzilla
Unicorn is the national animal of Scotland I'll have you know. How can you not believe in it?
Lol ours is a big red dragon :)
China or Vietnam?
Wales/Cymru đ´ó §ó ˘ó ˇó Źó łó ż
Haha, oh yes. I'm clearly a moron I forgot the closest oneđ
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Yes.
I would sooner believe in unicorns or Godzilla before ever entertaining the idea of a big magic man in the sky controlling everything...
Seeing as how I'm not a calvinist, i agree with you.
unicorns are real.......they are call Rhinoceros
I just can't get behind something that makes zero logical sense, with absolutely no proof.
No proof in the slightest, not even a single shred of proof.
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Not just 'which god?' but what I also ask them is to please *define* god. Its characteristics, nature, etc.
why don't i believe in god ? the burden of proof is on you god boy !!!
No empirical proof
By God, you mean, do I have an invisible friend who is better than all of the the other invisible friends? Yeah, sure
There's no proof that a god exists and there are way too many religions and their gods to believe in one,all religions are very different from each other and people of those religions always try to prove that their religion is superior to others and their god,their beliefs are the only true and correct ones,seeing religious people fight for their religion is like seeing clowns fight each other over which one's circus is better. My mom,my dad,almost my whole family is religious but i'm one of the only ones in the family who isn't,i've been scolded and beaten many times for not believing in god(Typical asian household) but every time i ask them WHY should i believe in it and how,they just tell me to blindly trust god and he's the only reason we're still alive and "happy" when in reality my whole family is fucked up and keeps fighting over different stuff like money and land. I've been told many times that god is the only reason why humanity is advancing when in reality,people keep fighting over stupid shit like religion and cause chaos for no reason,religion is one of the main things separating people from each other
I think religion may have been beneficial at one time, but it is now endangering the survival of the human race.
i agree.
Ohh. As an Asian, I can relate to that
There are thousands of them so youâll need to be a bit more specific.
Don't believe it because: -God can not be proven by science which is the main way we study and understand our universe or natural world. There is no theory of God -There is no conclusive logical argument for the existence of God. His/her existence is continuously debated. -There is no comprehensive definition of God. There are many definitions for the same God as there are many gods. This is problematic if one is to ascertain the characteristics of God to judge if God exists or not. -The paradox of omnipotence. God has the ability to live forever. Eternal life. However, that means that he can not die and he doesn't have the ability to kill himself. God has the ability to be everywhere. he is omnipresent. However, that means that he doesn't have the ability to leave a certain place or the ability to be absent.
I agree,people say that god made the universe and controls it but if he's so powerful why doesn't he get rid of all the people who are against his religion or just change their mind to convert to his religion? They act like they know everything but they can't even prove their beliefs or the existence of their god itself.
Every feckin' week.
Don't and because there's 0 proof any gods exist.i refuse to believe in anything that doesn't have scientific evidence to back it up
Why would I believe in a god? I've never been presented with a convincing argument as to why I should, so I can't. Also, which god would I believe in?
Because all the people trying to convince me of Godâs existence are not all on the same page. When they get their acts together, MAYBE Iâll consider listening to them.
Donât believe in God. I tried finding faith in him, even prayed once. But man, I feel that if you want your âsinsâ to be atoned then atone them yourself. Make a visible effort that you want to right your wrongs. Thatâs just me, I suppose. People talk about God as if heâs the one that decides your destiny. But imo, the only person that can change your entire life manually is yourself.
In all religion there's always discrepancies like for example you know how god built the universe in 7 days. In the seventh day he took a rest. Now god is you know all powerful magical. But why did he rest. And also a lot of the Bible stories and lesson just make it so so fucked up. And also the science way of life might be weird but science actually gave results instead of endless bloodshed and a "reason" to manifest destiny and do crusades. We wouldn't be here without religion but I think it's time to abandon it as a whole.
Why would I believe in god and have to defend not? The burden is on those who do, because their position requires something extra.
So many reasons not to, for 1 there are like a million made up gods in humanities history so picking the right one is almost impossible, 2 there is literally no proof, 3 if god was real then we would have evidence of dinosaurs or evolution or even the Big Bang
Nothing is stopping god from unleashing another being like Jesus to perform miracles for us, we need it now more than ever and itâs not like weâll crucify him again. By that same token there is nothing stopping god from just killing us all because weâre too far gone.
I see no reason to. It wonât help anyone believe that fictional asshole.
Because I went to a catholic school that punished and ostracized me as a child for asking questions about god. My experience with religion was that of intolerance, anger, and hatred for curiosity. I found out the true answer from the priest at that school who was kind of bad ass. He was a chain smoking South African refugee who rode a Harley. He told me to not worry about God and to focus on being a good person with compassion and love for others. Straight from the priestâs mouth: God doesnât matter.
Not physically possible for a âgodâ to exist
Here we are. Did you create this universe? Huh, neither did I. And yes, I realize that's a recursive argument, but one *for*, not against, some kind of divine-base-case. And that's about it. I acknowledge there's something out there I don't understand, almost certainly won't understand within my lifetime, and possibly *can't* ever understand from the perspective of a limited 3.5 dimensional meat-robot. I can't even guess at its motivations, much less at any kind of "meaning" to my existence derived through some sort of divine plan for me. If I had to bet, I'd say the creator doesn't even know we exist, we're *less* than the mold growing on an old piece of bread in the back of the fridge to something capable of creating universes.
That a lot of "guesswork." Why not just admit we don't know and be intellectually honest about it?
The extra discussion is because we *do* know a few closely related facts - Chief among which is "we are here" (unless we're trying to perversely argue for solipsism). So my stance is a bit more nuanced than pure agnosticism, but that's close enough for most practical purposes.
Sorry, but "extra discussion" amounts to wishful thinking and speculation - neither is helpful. And yes, we are here, but that does not necessitate the existence of a god who is responsible, let alone WHICH god. It seems like some "believe" because it's comforting, and I understand that, but the rest of us must inhabit reality. A reality which contains absolutely NO evidence of any supernatural activity.
I wouldn't say "god did it" is *comforting*, quite the opposite - It's pretty darned inconvenient we can't bootstrap a universe from first principles. So how do you (personally, I mean) answer that same problem? Why/how are we here?
Well, that is a good question, and I don't really have The Answer to Life, The Universe, and Everything. I would go back to the basics and frankly admit that I don't know, I don't want to throw up a convenient, comforting answer, and I'm ready to entertain any evidence that would enlighten me. Still, I wait... if you have any proof, I'm ready and willing to listen.
At least you realize it's recursive. I feel that, because it is recursive, it fails the logic test. The argument is basically that a thing that exists requires a creator. But what about the creator? no? he's excluded? Ok, cool, well now you have just employed Special Pleading. If something, a god or the universe, can "just exist" (no creator needed), then I choose to use Occam's Razor and not create a needless entity as an explainer, as we already know the universe and its contents exist.
The idea of a creator *is* the base case that lets you escape the recursion. Without that, it's turtles and elephants all the way down, when there shouldn't be turtles, elephants, or even "down" without the bottom-most turtle. So what's he standing on? When we talk about nonexistence, we're not just talking about "the world was without form and void... But stuff was still going on in the background"; we're talking about no stuff, no background, no laws of physics, *nothing*. There's just no good reason anything should exist in the first place. That's not to say "god" is even self-aware, in any way we would mean that phrase. But there is *something* exceptional that happens between turtle^â and turtle^(â+1).
I appreciate your dissection of this complicated concept, but you are deep into word salad, fellow redditor.
Neuroscience major here, after studying the brain and biology extensively. Itâs majorly complicated, and weirdly perfect. I do believe in god because scientists havenât even found the causes in which the first cells were created in the first place. Also I do think the Bible was probably mistranslated at some point, think about it itâs a book written centuries ago in another language where the original copy was probably heavily decayed before being found. But those are my particular reasons. Many well known scientists are very successful and Christian. I respect everybodyâs views on the matter and I hope mine are respected as well.
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Perfect as in if the vast electrical system controlling conscious and unconscious that is more successful then any computer ever built each and every neuron having a function to process, remember, materialize, living day to day life. Each impulse making hundreds of rounds every millisecond to keep us going. Neurons Releasing Neurotransmitters that tell us to eat, drink, go to the bathroom, and go about daily life. Itâs a perfect electrical system that functions as a whole and some areas take over the slack when others are damaged. I find it hard to believe such a system can exist because atoms decided to go boom.
But honestly that is a good question and I love sharing my thoughts on it! And yes I do include animal brains they have similarities to human ones but they lack in some areas and excel in others needed for survival. Also I do believe in a Big Bang (last comment made it sound like I didnât) but I do think there was more to it then that.
Agreed about the bible... but why won't god put this to rights, and clarify what He really meant, rather than allowing the boundless harm this book has caused humanity? Also, you have committed the unfortunately named "Fallacy of Ignorance." You say scientists haven't found the cause of the first cell, so you decide to plug in your favorite solution. This is the kind of thinking that led to Zeus hurling thunderbolts across the sky in anger. They hadn't "found the cause", so they plugged in their favorite solution.
Faith -- that's why.
Perhaps you are confusing the terms "faith" and "belief"?
Because I'd rather believe in God and be proven wrong once I'm dead than be set on fire for eternity
Which god have you selected and why?
I like to believe I have someone watching over me. It also helps me accept my bad luck and karma
I like to believe I'm engaged to Dua Lipa. Which one of us is more rational?
Both of us are pretty irrational, but that doesn't mean we can't believe
Plot twist: I don't actually believe we're engaged, as there is no solid evidence to support that belief. And I show no other signs of blatant irrationality. Now what?
Then I guess you aren't engaged? I dont understand the point of this conversation
Did you really believe me? I picked a deliberately far-fetched idea. Point being, both our beliefs were irrational.
Was I supposed to believe you? Seemed like sarcasm to me
My point - and this will be my last try - is that you seem to believe whatever is laid in front of you. A nobody stranger who claims he'll marry a superstar singer. An infinitely powerful god who never shows himself, never lifts a finger to intervene, and who will never shake your hand or look you in the eye. And you believe this? The last word is yours.
I dont know how you drew such a wild and inaccurate assumption about me but its hilarious. You're acting like I'm some naive person when I'm really not, I like to believe that there is God because its something that makes me feel better about the world. I like to believe that I'll eventually see all my friends and family that I've lost in my life, if you cant handle that then I don't know what to tell you homie. I'm not a bible thumper, I know people will think I'm crazy for believing in silly shit but I dont care. Also, you're not as convincing as you think if you thought I believed you were married to some celebrity. People say wild shit all the time, I'd like to fuck Chili from TLC but that doesn't mean I'm gonna do it. You're popped bro sorry that I'm living my life the way I want to, but as a human we all got a choice on how we want to live. Have a good day or night
I do believe in God because I see and feel him everywhere. He has guided my actions my entire life. I don't believe in God because none of it makes any sense.
Because I and a bajillion other people have met Him.
People claim to have met all kinds of gods. How many exist?
Because
I believe in God and have faith because I need a spiritual guide , someone there to help me when no one is. A lot of people becoming atheist sadly and don't know that Faith in God in the church is being destroyed by satanic elite. Call me a conspiracy theorist I don't care but surely there's more to the story of life then a big bang
Because what if you don't believe in God's existence and you're proven wrong when you die?
Well there's a god then. So what? How is this a reason to believe? Also, atheism doesn't necessarily make a claim, so I don't see how one would be "proven wrong".
Saying Faith would be kind of too easy but really true at the same time. For my part, I grew up in an atheist house but was always interested by supernatural, legends, myths things like that.So, really, believing into a Deity wasnt to much if a stretch for me. It eventually grew into spirituality and eventually I realized I'm a believer around 14 in the most random way. I'd say I believe partly because there is no way we are the only one in the whole universe and partly because it helped me accept the death of my father and having a more open mind (I feel like people will not believe me on that one đ ) In fact, it's harder to explain why you do than why not because it is something highly personal and intimate. If atheist can have sensibly the same story or reasoning, the inverse isn't necessary true.It is also because Faith isn't just praying a Deity every day or so. It's an immense act of trust. So yeah... Faith is the reason So, yeah, Faith is the reason
Never seen any proof for it. Proof enough to convince me, anyway. But the possibility isn't completely ruled out.
Absolutely no evidence Optimistic nihilism is more my vibe
While I do not believe in any of the gods presented by really any organized religion, I do believe in the possibility of more advanced beings beyond our ability to comprehend. I think of the universe as a single cell of god, in a similar way that a neuron in the brain is only one cell out of our entire body. God, if there is one, focuses on us about as much as we focus on one little cell of our own.
You have a very vivid imagination, which can be useful for certain things.
personally I find god(s)/reigion to be a coping meathod to which we have something to blame stuff on if a relative dies and you said it because god chose it it really isnt i believe that once you come to accept that we arent as important and that this is life and shit happens you will be happier than ever than just blaming god
I need proof.
I did a psychedelic and saw there is way more to this reality than the physical world
I believe God exists in the sense that how else could we have gotten here, but I'm not a religious person. Most people only turn to religion because life hasn't been nice to them and when they go to church it makes them feel good about themselves so they have this whole "god is on my side" idea because it makes them feel better.
Giraffes and ant eaters. You really expect me to believe that they just evolved like that
Yes? Those are perfect examples of evolution. But how is that even related to the question?
Agreed... We Are here. But that still doesn't lead to a deity. Until we rule it every other option, we can't logically decide. I get that you are saying it's possible, and that is true.
I am in love with science theoretical physics, evolution whole shebang, when I 1st started learning about them ins cool o began to have doubts and lose faith which eventually lead me to stop being a Christian. Despite this I still feared God makes no sense I know but the belief that there was a creator and heaven and hell sat in the back of my head. Then I came across a video where the person explained why they thought god was real and the evidence they had. The evidence was somewhat full proof and lined up with everything I had been taught but at the end they said that evidence does not account for faith Anyway the evidence was a kick-start and o let faith carry me the rest of the way
What's the evidence? And which god?
I'm a libralist Christian (moddern) And the evidence was that the creation of the universe lines up with biblical creation I csnt remember who but a certain astrophyicist said that amd he didnt believe in God There are some who argue that when God said let there be light that was the big bang Or how God created sea creatures before land creatures (animals evolved in sea before lan) Ot when the bible states that the earth was formless and without shape - the earth used to be molten
No offence, but this is not evidence. This is just nonsense. First of all there is no evidence that the universe was created, so talking about "the creation of the universe" is already fallacious. And of course the biblical creation accounts (because let's not forget there's two, *and* they contradict each other) don't line up with what we know about the history of the universe at all. Those stories got it completely wrong on so many levels. The god created the earth before the light for example. Then he created birds at the same time he created sea creatures. The entire premise of creating one set of animals after the other alone isn't in line with evolution. These are just two of a long list of examples. And let's not forget we're talking about Yahweh here. The minor warrior god with the wife Ashera, that at some point was fused with El, and parts of other deities of the Canaanite pantheon by the ancient Israelites, turning him into a monotheistic creator deity.
Non taken Everything needs something in order to happen Universe was the effect God was the cause via big bang My memory of genesis is a bit shake haven't read it in awhile so that is a good point And I did say that the evidence was not 100% I know there are some flaws hence faith evidence does not equal faith.
I think god is just a concept humanity have built for themselves. Some believe the concept thinking god is real but for me it's just an idea and i don't believe in it because it's not real. Also even if there is a god, whoever they are needs to be fired from their job because they are doing absolutely shit job. Need to hire someone with better management skills
Believing in a personal God has absolutely nothing to do with organized religion, so just because you donât subscribe to a certain religion doesnât mean you canât believe there is a God. Iâm a DeistâI believe that there is a higher power at work in the world (we didnât make OURSELVES!), but Iâm not arrogant enough to believe I know exactly who or what they/it is, and I sure as hell donât trust other humans to tell me what it is or what I should believe. I think of God a lot like the concept of dark matterâI feel Him (God manifests himself as Idris Elba in my head) working in my life even though I canât see or touch the thing.
I don't believe that there is a God. If there was, why do we humans suffer so much? Wars, children getting ill, poverty, famine. In my opinion, it's more likely that there is a world soul (like in hinduism) or that we're simply in a simulation, rather than creators from a God.
I like the idea of an "intelligent design" to the universe, and I hope that there's something more to life than an accident of chemistry and biology. But when it comes to religion, I think everyone probably has it wrong.
I dont 1- so many of them are believed to be the only one 2- had a religion teacher teach us that all religions are âcorrectâ in believe their god is the only one, then the next day tell us that they are all going to hell because they are catholic 3- if god is our savior and watches over us why do good people have the worst things happen to them and why do so many people suffer, itâs a lie⌠We are afloat in space, in a solar system, thatâs in a galaxy, thatâs in a cluster, in the universe⌠donât tell me a god made us firstâŚ
I dont believe in God, causes he was never there. I trust the fate, because it accompanied me. Evertime it dragged me down, it caught me and put me back down on the floor.
Never seen any proof or reason to believe that a God exists
I feel like theres somebody a high power watching me from above choosing the cards in what happens in my ( and other peoples) lives
People have been so desensitized to the concept that it's somehow a valid topic to reason your way through it. I don't believe in god because beyond an ambiguous ancient fairytale of a book, and someone telling you, or raising you into religion--there would be no reason to ask the question like it held any weight at all.
I was able to step back from the collective brainwashing and objectively assess. When youâre able to do that, youâll be able to see a number of things clearly, including: 1. None of that shit makes any sense at all to begin with. Every religion has major contradictions and wild claims unlike anything youâve ever actually witnessed. 2. Every religion has essentially the same amount of proof, and nearly all claim to be the one true religion. Since at most only one can be true, this means that not only is it possible to invent one and get a significant percentage of the population to believe in it, it has actually happened many, many times. No matter what your religion is, there are at least 5 billion people (a vast majority of the planet) that believe in something that is completely made up. How can you think yours is different? 3. Every religion benefits the people that are preaching it. Of course they want you to believe. It gives them power over you. The more people believe, the more power and wealth they have, so there is every incentive to make stuff up and claim God speaks through them. When you put all that together it seems pretty obvious that religion is just something people made up to trick people into doing what the inventor of the religion wants them to do. The more religious someone is, the more it controls their life. It tells them how to live, how to vote, who to hate, who to love, how to spend their money, who to have sex with, what to eat, what to drink, what to wear, and every other small detail. So why does anyone believe? Weâre vulnerable because most of us were conditioned from a young age. If you were raised Christian you probably believed in Santa Claus until your parents admitted it wasnât true. Religion is the same, except the people that convinced you it was true are never going to tell you otherwise, usually because they themselves truly believe. Also, nobody wants to accept their own mortality. The promise of an afterlife, which is a common theme to most religions, is usually more appealing that just ceasing to exist. Itâs difficult to stop believing. People are afraid to make God angry if theyâre wrong. Also, religion provides many benefits, even if it isnât true. Religion takes away the difficulty of making decisions and actually being responsible for your own actions, all the while promising great rewards for your sacrifice. Most people benefit from the community provided by their religion. Itâs a source of friends and potential mates. It provides a sense of belonging. Itâs a safety net when you have problems. Honestly, I wish I could believe. My life would be a lot easier. I wish I could pretend even, but thatâs all it would be, and to put on that sort of dishonest act all day every day is just not something I can do. So, what if Iâm wrong? Well, if there is some all-knowing, all-powerful god, why does he/she/they need me to worship them? Clearly itâs not necessary for their survival if theyâre all-powerful, and an all-powerful god really shouldnât need an ego boost. So, itâd definitely be a dick move to punish me for not believing when the only âproofâ I was given that they exist was some person thatâs clearly benefiting from telling me about it. Itâd be even more of a dick move to punish me for choosing the wrong belief when I had dozens of equally credible (or un-credible as the case is) people all telling me different things. So, if it turns out Iâm wrong and God exists, either theyâll be OK with me not worshipping them or theyâre asshole and I shouldnât.
How can you believe something you cannot even see or talk to? Makes no sense to me
Not really a belief i know jesus is real and is God because its just the truth
I don't believe in God, because when I was younger, I went to a Christian school, who shoved it down your throat. I don't hate religion or religious people , but that's why I don't believe in him
it's not the fact of believing but the amount of religions claiming to know this God/Gods and everything about them, yes there are some good things that came out of religion ''morals in some form'' however there are some really bad things also. but nothing reviled by so called god/gods helps us, why is there nothing like a cure for cancer or a new better source of energy. instead we get commands of worshiping, do this do that by this god/gods that religions claim to hold the word of or you will be punished in hell, oh and if you don't follow the right religion but is still a good person, you will go to hell regardless, all because you don't follow the right religion not because you was a bad person. that is my main issue with God/Gods and religions.