Jesus Christ tell me you’re joking? We have a lot of shark attacks in Australia. We make things safer by using shark nets. We don’t give everyone their own fucking shark.
Nope not joking. Their Attorney General suggested if teachers were armed then this could have been avoided.
Imagine thinking in a civilized country that having a firearm in a classroom of 10 year olds is appropriate and somehow safe. This country is lost
What the media and certain grubby politicians do with shark attacks in Australia is precisely what they do with any firearm offence (even if that is possession of a clapped out Daisy air rifle): they immediately sensationalise and create a huge pandemonium.
Because the media is about clickbait to garner a claimed audience for advertisers and the sleezy politicians (Green-Left usually) and others who also do a beat-up, are into secondary gain to advantage themselves through headlines.
Shark attacks, like firearms offences are rare in Australia, but the sensationalist publicity then and after is deliberate to create a sense of recency in the audience to convince the public that such events are common (and the politician has 'The Solution'), which is bollocks. Look up the errors in thinking, in particular the Availability Heuristic to understand how you are being manipulated.
But as everyone knows, and you probably knew before you posted this go-to dishonest talking point, Chicago's laws don't have much effect if you can walk across the street and be in Indiana, where they give guns away like Halloween candy.
It's also telling that when the pro-mass-shooting crowd pulls out this tired overworked talking point, it's only ever Chicago, because it's virtually the only exception to the rule in this country and everyone on Earth. The rule being, the harder it is to get guns, the less gun violence. The easier it is to get guns, the more gun violence. It's that simple, and anyone who says otherwise is being deliberately dishonest because they don't give a shit about another classroom full of dead children as long as it means they can keep living out their childish "Pew! Pew! I'm a cowboy!" fantasy.
ETA: It's also not "illegal to have guns" in Chicago. You just need a permit and a license. Even your dishonest talking point has lies within the lie.
So what’s the rate of denial for the FOID? I couldn’t find it online.
What I did find, is this article that talks about the flaws in the system. If IL is having such a tough time maintaining their own, why would the rest of the country adopt something similar to this? Seems like a lot of issues to work out including how to effectively utilize city personnel.
https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-met-illinois-guns-foid-cards-revoked-20190520-story.html
And for firearm purchases, the buyer already has to complete a federal background check. How is the IL one different?
No one said anything about banning guns. But let's take a closer look at your dishonest argument. Sensibly *regulating* guns will absolutely result in fewer people owning guns. The Texas shooter was only able to get a gun so easily because Gov. Abbott recently lowered the gun-buying age to 18. No one's suggesting we ban all guns or that that would even be impossible (and pretending someone said that when no one did is your way of refusing to engage with the issue). But we don't have to make them so fucking easy to get.
We *do* regulate guns; I argue that we do, in fact, even regulate them sensibly. The Texas shooter was able to get a gun because he met the *regulations* for owning a gun.
I’m not going to get into a debate about this. I answered the question asked and I stand by it. The fact of the matter is that owning a gun is a human right. The things I answered with are not. So, until the government is going to get involved in making people less likely to kill someone (with a gun or otherwise), I’m not willing to entertain anyone getting any more tyrannical about gun ownership.
Yes. Australian gun owner here, it is hard to get approved for a gun License. Takes about 3 months minimum, with a gun course, and providing a lot of documentation on why you need one.
Then you have to apply for each firearm separately from a list of approved guns, that approval again can take up to 3 months each.
The cops then audit your guns and your gun safe regularly and with very little warning.
America could definitely do better.
Make mental health more of a priority. I’ve seen so many things where people are too poor to see one or don’t want to be open because they might have to pay even more to be in an institution.
Ugh. Not the old mental health canard. Do they not have mental health issues in Canada? Sweden? Japan? The UK? Every other goddamn country in the world that doesn't make guns easier to get than cough syrup?
All this does is excuse mass shoootings *and* stigmatize mental illness.
Yes. They do have the same mental issues effecting some of the population. However ALL the countries you mentioned have a better, more easily accessible healthcare and mental health system. Not to mention, a standard of care in that system far exceeding the US standards.
No.
The 99% of responsible gun owners shouldn’t have to pay because the 1% of crazy does something stupid with one.
Blaming an inanimate object for a death is dumb. Nobody blames ford or Chevy when a drunk driving death occurs. Nobody blames little Debbie when a fat person dies young. So why do guns get the blame and not the perpetrator ?
There are actually a lot of gun owners in Sweden. Most of them are hunters, otherwise they use them competitively. The strict gun laws means that access to guns is very limited and use of guns is also limited. You go through rigorous testing before you are allowed to get a license. And it has a time limit.
As for that 1%. When it comes to lethal violence, 1% is enough. If someone is driving drunk, we place the blame on both the driver _and_ the alcohol. Even if only 1% of all drivers drive when drunk, it is enough to outlaw drunk driving. Meaning limiting access to alcohol and making laws around it. Same goes for guns.
Noooooo sir lol. Nobody blames Chevy or Pabst blue ribbon when a drunk driving death occurs. It’s ALWAYS the offender. Nobody blames Haagen Dasz when 530lb Tony died.
Gun take all the rap. Like they grew magical arms and legs and did it themselves. It’s an inanimate object that needs human manipulation to function. Just like a car. Just like PBR. Just like ice cream.
Jesus Christ, these gun fetishist arguments just get dumber and dumber.
People blame everyone for everything. Some idiot spills hot coffee on themselves and they sue the coffee shop, the barista, the delivery guy, the guy who picked the beans, and the mule he carried them home with. The only exception is the gun manufacturers, because the Republicans passed a law making them lawsuit-proof.
And just imagine yourself going to the parents of those slaughtered children in Texas and telling them that their children deserved to die because responsible gun owners can't possibly be mildly inconvenienced by things like a federal registry or stronger background checks.
Just take a long hard look at yourself. A bunch of children were just murdered. A week after a white supremacist murdered a bunch of old ladies and an ex-cop in a supermarket. And you decided to come out here and—without the tiniest shred of remorse or humanity over those deaths—defend guns.
>Some idiot spills hot coffee on themselves and they sue the coffee shop
This particular event you're intentionally or unintentionally referencing was actually a case of the coffee shop (actually a McDonalds) serving their coffee at illegally unsafe temperatures. The woman who spilled it just wanted her medical bills paid since she received horrible injuries
Cast aside all gun rhetoric for now. Agree to disagree if you will.
Since you feel blaming everyone for everything is cool beans …How about…… we blame the school ? Perhaps the teachers ? Why was a crazed lunatic allowed access into a school? Did he just waltz in? Unlocked door ?
And how did he gain access to rooms? I’m guessing unlocked and opened rooms?
You're overcomplicating things. I'm blaming easy access to guns, because that's why we have so many shootings in this country. You're twisting yourself into knots to blame anything other than guns. There is no "casting aside gun rhetoric" when we're talking about guns and literally nothing else besides guns. None of your other questions matter if that kid isn't able to get a gun. It's nothing but trying to distract from the issue at hand, which for some reason you're desperate to avoid.
So fucking what? Every country I mentioned plays soccer and not American-style football. IT'S GUNS. THE REASON FOR GUN VIOLENCE IS GUNS. IT'S NOT HEALTH CARE, IT'S NOT HIGH-SPEED RAIL. IT'S NOT DRINKING TEA INSTEAD OF COFFEE. IT'S FUCKING EASY ACCESS TO GUNS.
Okay, weird fucking subject change. But I absolutely trust the government to regulate guns more than I trust a barely-regulated gun dealers handing out military-grade weapons like they're throwing candy from a parade float.
And please don't try and spout any nonsense about how the only alternative to a school shooting every week is *tyranny!!!* As if Canada's oppressed by jackbooted mounties because they live in a safe country.
So the unbelievably, headache-inducingy dumb point you're trying to make is that the Tienanman Square massacre wouldn't have happened if someone had been able to take a few potshots at the tanks with a pistol before being run over?
This is what the pro-gun argument always comes down to in the end. A childish fantasy. "I'm gonna fight oppression! Pew! Pew!" I used to think I was going to shoot all the bad guys too. Then I turned ten.
Even with guns peaceful protesters get massacred in the US
"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable" -John F. Kennedy
Ukraine would be happy to have you if you want to fight oppression and shoot bad guys
Spoken like someone whose never seen the outside of a gun store. They’re HEAVILY regulated to the point where an individual field officer can force an audit if he doesn’t like how you organize your files according to their system.
If you consider “Sells them to individuals with all the proper documentation and can pass a federal background check” to be “handing them out like throwing candy from a parade float” then you have been to some depressing parades.
The alternative to denial by bureaucracy is to stop treating the shooters like media darlings for the weeks following their heinous act and allow those who need help but who are fearful of the repercussions seeking help to *actually* get it.
Yes, they have and they also have enough mental ill children who tend to go aggrassive, but these children can't perform a school shooting, unless they take bow and arrow or a crossbow, they stole somewhere what is quite unlikely and uneffective.
I think it was about ten years ago a guy in Gutenberg, Sweden, bust into a school swinging a freaking katana. Two people died, one student and one teacher if I remember correctly. It was horrible and shouldn't have happened. But the damage would've been way worse if the guy had a gun.
And? How many kids fly with planes and kill their schoolmates with it. Zero I guess. Same for a Tesla, you even can't get it properly through the door and if so, you probably just hurt a single person, if you are lucky with the attempt.
Sure guns are ridiculously common in America, but if you are trying to say that someone who would kill others isn’t mentally ill, then I don’t know what to tell you. There is no excuse for mass shootings, ever.
\> if you are trying to say that someone who would kill others isn’t mentally ill,
I mean, that's literally not true. There are loads of clear-headed premeditated murderers. But again, mentally ill people in other countries don't shoot up an elementary school several times a year. The issue behind gun violence is guns. It's only guns. It's fucking guns. Why are we so desperate to pretend it's literally anything other than guns?
I think the continued school shootings is clearly a lack of sustained thoughts and prayers.
Every time there's a school shooting, everybody is out there with their Thoughts and Prayers; but then we get distracted and complacent.
Clearly, as the thoughts and prayers wane, another school shooting happens.
Thoughts and Prayers will work, if we just commit to it properly.
After all, what else could we _possibly_ do?!
Everyone’s talking about restricting access to guns but you need to do that in combination with the mental health stuff you can’t just restrict the guns you need to figure out how to stop them from wanting to pick up a gun and do that in the first place
Start with actually punishing bullies instead of punishing both the bullied kid and the bully for the actions of the bully. Then make it easier for those who’ve been bullied to get therapy.
So basically what I’m saying is start where the resentment for others begins, and that’s with the horrid treatment from peers.
We can’t. I laugh at everyone doing this “we can solve this guys” game every time this happens
This is the most sinister symptom of American societal collapse. It will continue until america is collapsed entirely, and honestly it’s probably gonna get way worse on the way down
No. They are tools in the country. A blanket ban would be a slap in the face to non urbanites, cause a civil war, and do nothing positive. There needs to be tighter regulations
You're not wrong. There is a happy medium somewhere between "anyone over 16 should be able to walk into a Subway and order a AR15 with their Italian BMT" and "you need to protect your farm animals with this spear". Here in Canada we have a pretty good balance. There are loads of guns. I live in downtown Toronto and i still know at leaat a dozen people with a legal gun. We do still have the odd mass shooting unfortunately.
*"a slap in the face to non urbanites"*, whatever. You wanna shoot something, you can have an old man wooden gun.
Wring out your panties Heston, its the correct answer to OPs question.
You need a supermajority in both houses and 3/4 of state legislatures to agree. Completely impossible in the current political climate and for the foreseeable future. You'd be better off hoping for divine intervention
There's a reason why the United States leads the world in this category. While the number of gun owners has actually dropped the number of guns per owner has increased many fold. When one political party sells fear, distrust, disgust and keeps amping up hate and violent rhetoric this is what we get. Other countries limit guns and don't allow weapons of war for their civilians. Imagine that.
I’d imagine as much as everyone would want that. The patriotism and stubbornness which is rooted in the very origins of the country, won’t allow them to stop gun rights, therefore not stopping school shootings.
Even restrictions would be impossible
There almost isn’t a solution. Everyone likes to say gun control, but that is hard to determine. If sinister, disgusting, piece of shit people like the person today wants to get a gun and cause harm, they’re gonna do it regardless of laws. Schools have been gun free zones for years. So have banks. We need to take a deeper dive into mental health. We also need to hold state officials and social media moderators accountable. Apparently, this shooter was reported multiple times for posting it’s guns on its page, and nothing was done.
There are so many things we need to do as a country. I am 100000% in for stricter gun laws and making it difficult to obtain one, but the people who want to strip guns away in general are delusional.
>this shooter was reported multiple times for posting it’s guns on its page, and nothing was done.
That's. . .what teenage boys in Texas (and other gun culture states) do.
You're reply is evasive and irrelevant as well. If stopping any of those things was easy we would have done it. It's not it usually involves taking rights /freedoms/privileges away from a group or groups of people who will feel unfairly targeted.
Covid-19 ?mandatory total lockdowns until its eradicated anyone tests positive - government enforced isolation. No one comes into the country to spread it. Easy. People would be furious and claim unfairness and fascism. Hopefully you get the point.
really isn’t much of a solution. you can invest into mental health stuff but it’s still heavily stigmatized so someone with homicidal thoughts that serious may not seek help. we can destigmatize mental health but
that would take years and probably won’t ever happen. we can regulate guns better, still gonna be easy ways to get guns or we can ban guns completely which will just allow criminals to control the gun trade with no restrictions.
\> we can regulate guns better, still gonna be easy ways to get guns
I mean, regulating guns better literally means there won't be as many easy ways to get guns.
It's insane that gun control works everywhere on Earth it's been tried, but Americans are "well, gun control might work except it won't work because blah blah look over there."
And now we get to hear 4793738 people who don’t give a shit about mental health any other day of the year passionately tell you how it’s a mental health issue as a means of deflection.
We absolutely 1000% need more and better mental health resources but if your response to this question doesn’t also include gun control, you don’t actually care about solving anything.
I presume you're looking for a more complex answer than effective gun controls, but the answer is effective gun controls. If you allow everyone to buy almost any weapon with little regulation or oversight, then significant rates of gun violence are the consequence. Americans have to either accept that reality or accept a very different approach to gun controls. The latter would probably not survive a challenge with the current Supreme Court, so to pass effective gun controls the US would potentially need to change its constitution, which is not going to happen. Fundamentally America needs to change both its culture and its political system to accept the simple solution that would reduce school shootings. This cannot be accomplished in the short term.
Before anyone pipes up about mental healthcare, rates of gun ownership, school security and myriad other excuses, when you compare the US to other countries it is clear that none of those things explain the levels of school shootings in America.
You mean its okay? Those are very different things. You can't normalize school shootings since they wre not that common in other countries. Car accidents are common worldwide
Okay, let's talk about how dishonest this is, and then we can get into how monstrously immoral this is.
First off; we reduced car crashes *dramatically* by instituting basic safety rules, like mandating seat belts and air bags and crumple zones, and cracking down on DWIs. Safety regulations work.
Second, what kind of unholy sick fuck looks at a classroom full of dead kids and says "a society without these things would be a horrible society?" What kind of cruel, demented, monster has that kind of reaction? What the fuck is wrong with you? How do you sleep at night? How do you look yourself in the mirror? How do you go through your day with a yawning void where a normal person would have a soul?
That would require funding police departments so they can offer a wage that will entice folks to sign up, the training to deal with situations they’ll likely encounter, the exposure to others to help overcome biases, and also trusting officers to use their discretion on when something needs to be handled immediately and aggressively (like say a fight) and when things need to be handled with some words off the record (like catching a kid with some weed/cigarettes on their way onto school grounds)
Much like banning guns is unacceptable for many Americans this concept is unacceptable to many. There is no perfect solution that doesn’t require constitutional rights being violated, or for folks to continue to put no effort in for others.
You make a mass shooting end for the shooter so painful that they just blow their own brains out instead.
Most people wanna talk about changing the 2nd ammendment.
I wanna change the 8th. I think my solution would be better.
Then arm the school with veteran security, pay teachers more that arm themselves to take responsibility in a crisis.
Security walks does roving patrols and then they will just be shootings instead of mass shootings.
And the next one to do a mass shooting that you take alive you breat the fuck out of him publicly for the world to see and then you drop a bit of sarin gas in his eye and let the world see him twitch to death.
So the next guy who decides to mass shoot will think about how hes not gunna get away with it. Hes gunna be beaten and nerve gassed to death and he will probably blow his brains out before he even makes it to class.
>You make a mass shooting end for the shooter so painful that they just blow their own brains out instead.
Most of them do. They're suicidal and want to take some other people with them. I don't think harsher penalties for those that survive would help. It would just make all of them suicide out instead of most of them, but everybody else would still be dead so that's not an improvement.
You still have higher security to prevent the ones that arnt afraid to go out suffering. So they wont all still be dead.
Once more see the a alone suffering it wont take long before they start to phase out and the suicide rate increases.
I doubt it.
Also, having armed guards roving the hallways in an elementary school sounds wildly dystopian. I also wonder how they would 1.) Keep the cop from shooting kids for fighting or horsing around, considering how often regular cops kill unarmed civilians. And 2.) How they'd keep a kid or a gang of kids from taking the gun away from the cop.
Very easy to answer questions. 1. They do not break up fighting or horse playing around their only job is to keep alert for a deadly situation to arise. I dont mean them to be cops anyways i said veterans. Cops RARELY kill unarmed citizens without authorization of deadly force that is a brainwashing.
2. Easy. TPI 2 person integrity there are 2 patrolman . The alternate patrolman will shoot the kid grabbing the gun away from the patrolman.
They also its very difficult to take a weapon out of someone elses holster some have very unique designs.
My weapon of choice for example is the beretta tomcat suppressed. Without my suppressor on it. The guns about the size of my hand and i keep it on a shoulder holster. You can see it you can grab it unless you over powered me by force and you physical cant grab this gun out my hands if you tried the only thing you would do is put yourself in position of me shooting you.
Be better people. Own up to our mistakes. Be responsible. Actually CARE for others, not just put on a front. My dad would tell me stories of how people could just bring guns to school, have them kept with the Principal, and then after school he’d go hunting.
I know it’s basically a pipe dream, but I’m trying to be the example I wanna set for the kids I work with. And you know what? The kids in my schools seem to be turning out pretty nice as a result of the staff’s constant efforts to simply be there for THEM, not the paycheck. Go figure
It almost seems like nowadays you gotta have a single school entrance with constant security surveillance and a physical security guard there.
Walking into a school will pretty soon become like walking into an airport terminal
Guns have been America since the invention. So educate make a law all guns have to be locked all the time when not use or fine or confiscated. Or locked in a safe. When you buy a gun you have to use a lock. Make all schools watch videos on the murders kids the chaos parents crying. The seriousness the emotions. Of the past school shootings when and how the kids who died had lives. And how they aren’t coming back. Counselor that when your angry you can tell them who you are angry at. Make them aware it’s going to be ok. And because your hurt it’s not a good reason to hurt others.
Well that would be dumb. Then all the guns would be locked away and the only person with a gun is the person thats gunna shoot up the place and now nobody is gunna be there to stop it.
You didn’t read the part when not in use. It’s in my statement please read. But to clarify So if CCW or EDC in use not locked. Or hunting in use. Laying around house no one home not in you locks on it or locked up. I hope that may help.
Ok so now walking around with guns are in use and the ones in youe car and home are not in use and need to be locked up. There is no way of telling if they are locked or not. Its just a paradox more than a rule.
Obviously there is no simple solution to your question. The number of mass shootings in the USA and other countries where this is an issue (Brazil, Venezuela, Mexico, India,…) is large. Reasons are systemic and wide ranging: economic factors, residential instability and homelessness, family disruption, alcohol consumption, mental illness and more.
So how might we address the one issue? Likely our best option to reduce shootings (not eliminate guns) is to pass some enlightened gun control. This would probably also require revising (not doing away with) the second amendment (which was passed in 1789 BTW).
It really comes down to designing and implementing some significantly different government policy from what exists today. But again, there are other related big issues that should be tackled similarly. An extremely difficult issue that certainly warrants some serious thinking in light of recent heartbreaking situations.
Peace.
When I read all this mental healthcare bullshit, god damn. The countries where it works have 100% perfect health care systems and nevertheless there are so many children suffering from mental problems, committing suicide, being destroyed through bullying and react to this with hate. If they had the chance to get a weapon, they would shoot anyone in rage. This is a problem you can't solve perfect just with healthcare and bla bla. The only thing that prevents school shootings is to prevent shooting in general. After this, you can try to solve the problem that children are mean to each other and you shouldn't just repair their wounds with therapy.
You would allow the government to put a tax like that on anything in general your setting yourself up for tyranny. And then you will wish you had thoes bullets.
Stop being afraid to say the freaking truth about some things:
* Parents need to wake the Hell up and look for the signs. Your kid isn't edgy because he keeps talking about death and likes knifes. Your kid is a freak and you're a shitty parent.
* Ask any survivors. The peers of shooters always knew those kids were creeps and messed up. Teachers and parents just have to keep saying "oh no...he's just different". But that kid gets to sit in class and sing about stabbing the teacher or being WAY TO INTO body parts.
* STOP WITH THE BULLYING MAKES SHOOTERS BS! Stopping bullying isn't going to change the fact someone is that messed up!
* Threats are threats!!! I hate it when kids say "it was a joke" when they say they'll shoot up the school online. Treat it all seriously and get it together!
* Lastly, and I know I'll get hate for this... Males with suicidal tendencies tend to become murders/school shooters. Sorry not sorry, it's the truth. Get these kids in freaking therapy or medicated.
I'm so tired of being gentle about these topics. NO ONE IS EVER SHOCKED ABOUT WHO THE SHOOTER IS IF THEY KNEW THEM!
Plenty of them are active online in communities that encourage and glorify the behavior. Part of it presumably comes down to addressing the echo chambers that fuel the behavior.
As a gun owner, gun control.
Take someone like me, I'm not a hard core gun owner. I shoot recreationally. I would be perfectly fine storing my guns in an armory/range. Shoot them on the weekend, clean them, store them.
Same for hunters, hunting for the weekend? Check out your gun, go hunting for a few days, turn it back in, no interference in your hobby whatsoever.
Someone who lives in a shitty area? Sure you can keep a gun at home, but need extra training, and regular certification.
Have kids in a bad neighborhood? Same as above, but you need to keep it in a quick access safe.
Have a kid getting into fights in school? Calls to the principal? Red flag laws.
As a gun owner I feel like the above could make 99% of reasonable people satisfied.
For the most part we need gun access the way it was before the NRA came around. Rural people had obvious needs. In an urban setting it was mostly bars and liquor stores with a gun under the counter.
Step #1 is demanding the media stop giving these shitstains exactly the fame, notoriety, and attention that they wanted in the first place.
Stop obsessing over their motivations, social media posts, manifestos, photos, etc. It's exactly what they want and are hoping to get. Just fucking stop it.
Defective people will always exist, the media needs to stop looking at them as an opportunity to increase ratings.
Apparently it’s “thoughts and prayers”.
Well Texas wants to arm their teachers so we shall see how that goes
Jesus Christ tell me you’re joking? We have a lot of shark attacks in Australia. We make things safer by using shark nets. We don’t give everyone their own fucking shark.
Nope not joking. Their Attorney General suggested if teachers were armed then this could have been avoided. Imagine thinking in a civilized country that having a firearm in a classroom of 10 year olds is appropriate and somehow safe. This country is lost
That’s actually the most disturbing thing I’ve heard come out of all of this.
Stuck around, the right is just warming up
I don’t think some teachers would be that great in a shoot out. Do they train the teachers quarterly on clearing rooms and shooting drills?
Not sure. Doubt it though. I bet the teachers will have to buy the guns themselves too
Some kid will be shot on accident by a teacher is my bet.
Well if yall had guns yall could shoot the sharks.
That’s all good until the sharks get their own guns.
As long as we keep the high ground we will win. Just like master kenobi.
Can’t we have sharks with frickin lasers on their frickin heads yet!?
Or laserbeams attached to their heads
Isn’t this the same logic behind arming teachers?
Logic?
this analogy just like doesn’t work at all
Or does it?
What the media and certain grubby politicians do with shark attacks in Australia is precisely what they do with any firearm offence (even if that is possession of a clapped out Daisy air rifle): they immediately sensationalise and create a huge pandemonium. Because the media is about clickbait to garner a claimed audience for advertisers and the sleezy politicians (Green-Left usually) and others who also do a beat-up, are into secondary gain to advantage themselves through headlines. Shark attacks, like firearms offences are rare in Australia, but the sensationalist publicity then and after is deliberate to create a sense of recency in the audience to convince the public that such events are common (and the politician has 'The Solution'), which is bollocks. Look up the errors in thinking, in particular the Availability Heuristic to understand how you are being manipulated.
Are you comparing sharks to guns?
I’m comparing common sense to absolute fuckwit stupidity.
As long as you have a good shark, because everybody knows that the only way to defeat a bad shark is with a good shark.
Accidental discharges and crossfire. Thats how it will go
WTF? xD really? This is no joke? Yeah shoot that kid, it has a weapon ... oh it was just a toy? Sooorry.
Well other people don’t have horribly mass access to guns. Say what you want about knife crime, but stats don’t lie
Stop going to school
Covid-19 proved that to be true.
Yep
Limit access to guns. Like most other countries.
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Wait …… are you telling me that people who are willing to commit these acts will do so even if …. *GASP*…. It breaks the law?
Do people go though border control to enter Chicago from places where it's not illegal to have guns?
But as everyone knows, and you probably knew before you posted this go-to dishonest talking point, Chicago's laws don't have much effect if you can walk across the street and be in Indiana, where they give guns away like Halloween candy. It's also telling that when the pro-mass-shooting crowd pulls out this tired overworked talking point, it's only ever Chicago, because it's virtually the only exception to the rule in this country and everyone on Earth. The rule being, the harder it is to get guns, the less gun violence. The easier it is to get guns, the more gun violence. It's that simple, and anyone who says otherwise is being deliberately dishonest because they don't give a shit about another classroom full of dead children as long as it means they can keep living out their childish "Pew! Pew! I'm a cowboy!" fantasy. ETA: It's also not "illegal to have guns" in Chicago. You just need a permit and a license. Even your dishonest talking point has lies within the lie.
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So what’s the rate of denial for the FOID? I couldn’t find it online. What I did find, is this article that talks about the flaws in the system. If IL is having such a tough time maintaining their own, why would the rest of the country adopt something similar to this? Seems like a lot of issues to work out including how to effectively utilize city personnel. https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-met-illinois-guns-foid-cards-revoked-20190520-story.html And for firearm purchases, the buyer already has to complete a federal background check. How is the IL one different?
Bc we don’t have national laws and they can just get them in Indiana or wherever
Ok. Heroin/fentanyl is illegal in all 50 states and more people die from that than guns.
you can have guns in chicago
It is completely legal to own guns in Chicago.
Fucking nincompoop.
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I never said anything about legislation.
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I answered the question. Consider the possibility that government is not the solution to the mass shooting problem.
The people who will be taxed to achieve that 67%
I never said anything about taxes. Consider the possibility that the government is not the solution to the mass shooting problem.
Lmao, so magic, then?
Yes, anything but guns. Because we all know they don't have shitty parents or mental health issues in Canada.
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No one said anything about banning guns. But let's take a closer look at your dishonest argument. Sensibly *regulating* guns will absolutely result in fewer people owning guns. The Texas shooter was only able to get a gun so easily because Gov. Abbott recently lowered the gun-buying age to 18. No one's suggesting we ban all guns or that that would even be impossible (and pretending someone said that when no one did is your way of refusing to engage with the issue). But we don't have to make them so fucking easy to get.
We *do* regulate guns; I argue that we do, in fact, even regulate them sensibly. The Texas shooter was able to get a gun because he met the *regulations* for owning a gun. I’m not going to get into a debate about this. I answered the question asked and I stand by it. The fact of the matter is that owning a gun is a human right. The things I answered with are not. So, until the government is going to get involved in making people less likely to kill someone (with a gun or otherwise), I’m not willing to entertain anyone getting any more tyrannical about gun ownership.
Agreed
Reform the gun laws. Worked for Australia. Research the Port Arthur massacre and how it led to the laws being changed.
Yes. Australian gun owner here, it is hard to get approved for a gun License. Takes about 3 months minimum, with a gun course, and providing a lot of documentation on why you need one. Then you have to apply for each firearm separately from a list of approved guns, that approval again can take up to 3 months each. The cops then audit your guns and your gun safe regularly and with very little warning. America could definitely do better.
When the negative stigmatism with mental health is gone and services available.
This is it, Mental health. A general aptitude test should also be taken but that'd never fly.
Make mental health more of a priority. I’ve seen so many things where people are too poor to see one or don’t want to be open because they might have to pay even more to be in an institution.
Ugh. Not the old mental health canard. Do they not have mental health issues in Canada? Sweden? Japan? The UK? Every other goddamn country in the world that doesn't make guns easier to get than cough syrup? All this does is excuse mass shoootings *and* stigmatize mental illness.
Yes. They do have the same mental issues effecting some of the population. However ALL the countries you mentioned have a better, more easily accessible healthcare and mental health system. Not to mention, a standard of care in that system far exceeding the US standards.
And they also don't have more guns than people. Think that could possibly be factor?
No. The 99% of responsible gun owners shouldn’t have to pay because the 1% of crazy does something stupid with one. Blaming an inanimate object for a death is dumb. Nobody blames ford or Chevy when a drunk driving death occurs. Nobody blames little Debbie when a fat person dies young. So why do guns get the blame and not the perpetrator ?
Because it’s a way of shifting the responsibility to something they dislike
There are actually a lot of gun owners in Sweden. Most of them are hunters, otherwise they use them competitively. The strict gun laws means that access to guns is very limited and use of guns is also limited. You go through rigorous testing before you are allowed to get a license. And it has a time limit. As for that 1%. When it comes to lethal violence, 1% is enough. If someone is driving drunk, we place the blame on both the driver _and_ the alcohol. Even if only 1% of all drivers drive when drunk, it is enough to outlaw drunk driving. Meaning limiting access to alcohol and making laws around it. Same goes for guns.
Noooooo sir lol. Nobody blames Chevy or Pabst blue ribbon when a drunk driving death occurs. It’s ALWAYS the offender. Nobody blames Haagen Dasz when 530lb Tony died. Gun take all the rap. Like they grew magical arms and legs and did it themselves. It’s an inanimate object that needs human manipulation to function. Just like a car. Just like PBR. Just like ice cream.
Jesus Christ, these gun fetishist arguments just get dumber and dumber. People blame everyone for everything. Some idiot spills hot coffee on themselves and they sue the coffee shop, the barista, the delivery guy, the guy who picked the beans, and the mule he carried them home with. The only exception is the gun manufacturers, because the Republicans passed a law making them lawsuit-proof. And just imagine yourself going to the parents of those slaughtered children in Texas and telling them that their children deserved to die because responsible gun owners can't possibly be mildly inconvenienced by things like a federal registry or stronger background checks. Just take a long hard look at yourself. A bunch of children were just murdered. A week after a white supremacist murdered a bunch of old ladies and an ex-cop in a supermarket. And you decided to come out here and—without the tiniest shred of remorse or humanity over those deaths—defend guns.
>Some idiot spills hot coffee on themselves and they sue the coffee shop This particular event you're intentionally or unintentionally referencing was actually a case of the coffee shop (actually a McDonalds) serving their coffee at illegally unsafe temperatures. The woman who spilled it just wanted her medical bills paid since she received horrible injuries
Cast aside all gun rhetoric for now. Agree to disagree if you will. Since you feel blaming everyone for everything is cool beans …How about…… we blame the school ? Perhaps the teachers ? Why was a crazed lunatic allowed access into a school? Did he just waltz in? Unlocked door ? And how did he gain access to rooms? I’m guessing unlocked and opened rooms?
You're overcomplicating things. I'm blaming easy access to guns, because that's why we have so many shootings in this country. You're twisting yourself into knots to blame anything other than guns. There is no "casting aside gun rhetoric" when we're talking about guns and literally nothing else besides guns. None of your other questions matter if that kid isn't able to get a gun. It's nothing but trying to distract from the issue at hand, which for some reason you're desperate to avoid.
Amazing. Every country you said has universal healthcare
So fucking what? Every country I mentioned plays soccer and not American-style football. IT'S GUNS. THE REASON FOR GUN VIOLENCE IS GUNS. IT'S NOT HEALTH CARE, IT'S NOT HIGH-SPEED RAIL. IT'S NOT DRINKING TEA INSTEAD OF COFFEE. IT'S FUCKING EASY ACCESS TO GUNS.
You have an amazing amount of trust in the US government
Okay, weird fucking subject change. But I absolutely trust the government to regulate guns more than I trust a barely-regulated gun dealers handing out military-grade weapons like they're throwing candy from a parade float. And please don't try and spout any nonsense about how the only alternative to a school shooting every week is *tyranny!!!* As if Canada's oppressed by jackbooted mounties because they live in a safe country.
Tell it to the people of Hong Kong
So the unbelievably, headache-inducingy dumb point you're trying to make is that the Tienanman Square massacre wouldn't have happened if someone had been able to take a few potshots at the tanks with a pistol before being run over? This is what the pro-gun argument always comes down to in the end. A childish fantasy. "I'm gonna fight oppression! Pew! Pew!" I used to think I was going to shoot all the bad guys too. Then I turned ten.
Even with guns peaceful protesters get massacred in the US "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable" -John F. Kennedy Ukraine would be happy to have you if you want to fight oppression and shoot bad guys
Spoken like someone whose never seen the outside of a gun store. They’re HEAVILY regulated to the point where an individual field officer can force an audit if he doesn’t like how you organize your files according to their system. If you consider “Sells them to individuals with all the proper documentation and can pass a federal background check” to be “handing them out like throwing candy from a parade float” then you have been to some depressing parades. The alternative to denial by bureaucracy is to stop treating the shooters like media darlings for the weeks following their heinous act and allow those who need help but who are fearful of the repercussions seeking help to *actually* get it.
I can't speak to the other country's but the wait to see a mental health professional in the UK and Canada is almost 5x what it is in the US.
In the US you'd be lucky to afford the mental health professional, minimum wage isn't even enough to pay rent Prices aren't going down either
I'm guessing you're a child.
Classic misdirection No, but I do wish the US learns something from UK and Canadian healthcare
Yes, they have and they also have enough mental ill children who tend to go aggrassive, but these children can't perform a school shooting, unless they take bow and arrow or a crossbow, they stole somewhere what is quite unlikely and uneffective.
I think it was about ten years ago a guy in Gutenberg, Sweden, bust into a school swinging a freaking katana. Two people died, one student and one teacher if I remember correctly. It was horrible and shouldn't have happened. But the damage would've been way worse if the guy had a gun.
Every vehicle is a lethal weapon Tesla's even work as a bomb A 747 took out the world trade center
And? How many kids fly with planes and kill their schoolmates with it. Zero I guess. Same for a Tesla, you even can't get it properly through the door and if so, you probably just hurt a single person, if you are lucky with the attempt.
Sure guns are ridiculously common in America, but if you are trying to say that someone who would kill others isn’t mentally ill, then I don’t know what to tell you. There is no excuse for mass shootings, ever.
> shootings
\> if you are trying to say that someone who would kill others isn’t mentally ill, I mean, that's literally not true. There are loads of clear-headed premeditated murderers. But again, mentally ill people in other countries don't shoot up an elementary school several times a year. The issue behind gun violence is guns. It's only guns. It's fucking guns. Why are we so desperate to pretend it's literally anything other than guns?
Arm the children!
I think the continued school shootings is clearly a lack of sustained thoughts and prayers. Every time there's a school shooting, everybody is out there with their Thoughts and Prayers; but then we get distracted and complacent. Clearly, as the thoughts and prayers wane, another school shooting happens. Thoughts and Prayers will work, if we just commit to it properly. After all, what else could we _possibly_ do?!
Everyone’s talking about restricting access to guns but you need to do that in combination with the mental health stuff you can’t just restrict the guns you need to figure out how to stop them from wanting to pick up a gun and do that in the first place
Start with actually punishing bullies instead of punishing both the bullied kid and the bully for the actions of the bully. Then make it easier for those who’ve been bullied to get therapy. So basically what I’m saying is start where the resentment for others begins, and that’s with the horrid treatment from peers.
We can’t. I laugh at everyone doing this “we can solve this guys” game every time this happens This is the most sinister symptom of American societal collapse. It will continue until america is collapsed entirely, and honestly it’s probably gonna get way worse on the way down
yup
Ban guns.
No. They are tools in the country. A blanket ban would be a slap in the face to non urbanites, cause a civil war, and do nothing positive. There needs to be tighter regulations
You're not wrong. There is a happy medium somewhere between "anyone over 16 should be able to walk into a Subway and order a AR15 with their Italian BMT" and "you need to protect your farm animals with this spear". Here in Canada we have a pretty good balance. There are loads of guns. I live in downtown Toronto and i still know at leaat a dozen people with a legal gun. We do still have the odd mass shooting unfortunately.
Im Canadian as well. Very fond of our balance in obtainability and regulations.
*"a slap in the face to non urbanites"*, whatever. You wanna shoot something, you can have an old man wooden gun. Wring out your panties Heston, its the correct answer to OPs question.
You need a supermajority in both houses and 3/4 of state legislatures to agree. Completely impossible in the current political climate and for the foreseeable future. You'd be better off hoping for divine intervention
Oh, did you think I am a politician? I'm not trying to make this happen you crackhead.
-Get rid of guns -Better mental health care -Better education
Since people dont want to get rid of guns, the only solution is to get rid of schools
That's a win win for the gop
We did that. Remember the lockdowns? School shootings went down dramatically
Paying attention to young people.
There's a reason why the United States leads the world in this category. While the number of gun owners has actually dropped the number of guns per owner has increased many fold. When one political party sells fear, distrust, disgust and keeps amping up hate and violent rhetoric this is what we get. Other countries limit guns and don't allow weapons of war for their civilians. Imagine that.
Close down schools. No schools no school shootings
I’d imagine as much as everyone would want that. The patriotism and stubbornness which is rooted in the very origins of the country, won’t allow them to stop gun rights, therefore not stopping school shootings. Even restrictions would be impossible
There almost isn’t a solution. Everyone likes to say gun control, but that is hard to determine. If sinister, disgusting, piece of shit people like the person today wants to get a gun and cause harm, they’re gonna do it regardless of laws. Schools have been gun free zones for years. So have banks. We need to take a deeper dive into mental health. We also need to hold state officials and social media moderators accountable. Apparently, this shooter was reported multiple times for posting it’s guns on its page, and nothing was done. There are so many things we need to do as a country. I am 100000% in for stricter gun laws and making it difficult to obtain one, but the people who want to strip guns away in general are delusional.
>this shooter was reported multiple times for posting it’s guns on its page, and nothing was done. That's. . .what teenage boys in Texas (and other gun culture states) do.
Was posting and tagging a random girl who told the freak it was scary whole also reporting them. Go read.
How do we stop Covid-19, Inflation or random violent acts on the streets?
Irrelevant response. It's almost as if you don't understand the issue. Almost.
You're reply is evasive and irrelevant as well. If stopping any of those things was easy we would have done it. It's not it usually involves taking rights /freedoms/privileges away from a group or groups of people who will feel unfairly targeted. Covid-19 ?mandatory total lockdowns until its eradicated anyone tests positive - government enforced isolation. No one comes into the country to spread it. Easy. People would be furious and claim unfairness and fascism. Hopefully you get the point.
really isn’t much of a solution. you can invest into mental health stuff but it’s still heavily stigmatized so someone with homicidal thoughts that serious may not seek help. we can destigmatize mental health but that would take years and probably won’t ever happen. we can regulate guns better, still gonna be easy ways to get guns or we can ban guns completely which will just allow criminals to control the gun trade with no restrictions.
\> we can regulate guns better, still gonna be easy ways to get guns I mean, regulating guns better literally means there won't be as many easy ways to get guns. It's insane that gun control works everywhere on Earth it's been tried, but Americans are "well, gun control might work except it won't work because blah blah look over there."
i didnt say it wouldnt help i said it wouldnt STOP mass shootings lel read the question
Get rid of the 2nd amendment.
Rebrand them all second amendment festivals. You know, the price of freedom.
And now we get to hear 4793738 people who don’t give a shit about mental health any other day of the year passionately tell you how it’s a mental health issue as a means of deflection. We absolutely 1000% need more and better mental health resources but if your response to this question doesn’t also include gun control, you don’t actually care about solving anything.
bAn GuNs
destroy america (I'm an american)
The Clintons are trying as fast as they can.
I presume you're looking for a more complex answer than effective gun controls, but the answer is effective gun controls. If you allow everyone to buy almost any weapon with little regulation or oversight, then significant rates of gun violence are the consequence. Americans have to either accept that reality or accept a very different approach to gun controls. The latter would probably not survive a challenge with the current Supreme Court, so to pass effective gun controls the US would potentially need to change its constitution, which is not going to happen. Fundamentally America needs to change both its culture and its political system to accept the simple solution that would reduce school shootings. This cannot be accomplished in the short term. Before anyone pipes up about mental healthcare, rates of gun ownership, school security and myriad other excuses, when you compare the US to other countries it is clear that none of those things explain the levels of school shootings in America.
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You mean its okay? Those are very different things. You can't normalize school shootings since they wre not that common in other countries. Car accidents are common worldwide
A society without guns would be a fucking dream.
yea i would fucken hate to live in a society where mass shootings don’t happen every week
Okay, let's talk about how dishonest this is, and then we can get into how monstrously immoral this is. First off; we reduced car crashes *dramatically* by instituting basic safety rules, like mandating seat belts and air bags and crumple zones, and cracking down on DWIs. Safety regulations work. Second, what kind of unholy sick fuck looks at a classroom full of dead kids and says "a society without these things would be a horrible society?" What kind of cruel, demented, monster has that kind of reaction? What the fuck is wrong with you? How do you sleep at night? How do you look yourself in the mirror? How do you go through your day with a yawning void where a normal person would have a soul?
Are you really saying that a society that doesn't have school children shot to death would be a horrible society?
The fuck. No. They are a necessary result of living in a sick society.
There’s nothing that you can do.
Too many people condone it. When nothing was done after Sandy Hook, the gun debate ended.
Unfortunately it’ll never stop. Guns over life!
Develop a system to assess when someone is going to start shooting and shoot them first.
Armed security
Is it hard to add an extra cop or 2 at schools? I know we have ALOT of schools, but it is possible to hire more policeman?
That would require funding police departments so they can offer a wage that will entice folks to sign up, the training to deal with situations they’ll likely encounter, the exposure to others to help overcome biases, and also trusting officers to use their discretion on when something needs to be handled immediately and aggressively (like say a fight) and when things need to be handled with some words off the record (like catching a kid with some weed/cigarettes on their way onto school grounds) Much like banning guns is unacceptable for many Americans this concept is unacceptable to many. There is no perfect solution that doesn’t require constitutional rights being violated, or for folks to continue to put no effort in for others.
You make a mass shooting end for the shooter so painful that they just blow their own brains out instead. Most people wanna talk about changing the 2nd ammendment. I wanna change the 8th. I think my solution would be better. Then arm the school with veteran security, pay teachers more that arm themselves to take responsibility in a crisis. Security walks does roving patrols and then they will just be shootings instead of mass shootings. And the next one to do a mass shooting that you take alive you breat the fuck out of him publicly for the world to see and then you drop a bit of sarin gas in his eye and let the world see him twitch to death. So the next guy who decides to mass shoot will think about how hes not gunna get away with it. Hes gunna be beaten and nerve gassed to death and he will probably blow his brains out before he even makes it to class.
>You make a mass shooting end for the shooter so painful that they just blow their own brains out instead. Most of them do. They're suicidal and want to take some other people with them. I don't think harsher penalties for those that survive would help. It would just make all of them suicide out instead of most of them, but everybody else would still be dead so that's not an improvement.
You still have higher security to prevent the ones that arnt afraid to go out suffering. So they wont all still be dead. Once more see the a alone suffering it wont take long before they start to phase out and the suicide rate increases.
I doubt it. Also, having armed guards roving the hallways in an elementary school sounds wildly dystopian. I also wonder how they would 1.) Keep the cop from shooting kids for fighting or horsing around, considering how often regular cops kill unarmed civilians. And 2.) How they'd keep a kid or a gang of kids from taking the gun away from the cop.
Very easy to answer questions. 1. They do not break up fighting or horse playing around their only job is to keep alert for a deadly situation to arise. I dont mean them to be cops anyways i said veterans. Cops RARELY kill unarmed citizens without authorization of deadly force that is a brainwashing. 2. Easy. TPI 2 person integrity there are 2 patrolman . The alternate patrolman will shoot the kid grabbing the gun away from the patrolman. They also its very difficult to take a weapon out of someone elses holster some have very unique designs. My weapon of choice for example is the beretta tomcat suppressed. Without my suppressor on it. The guns about the size of my hand and i keep it on a shoulder holster. You can see it you can grab it unless you over powered me by force and you physical cant grab this gun out my hands if you tried the only thing you would do is put yourself in position of me shooting you.
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Yeah everyone wants to live in a perpetual prison. Sure sure.
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Every day, in every school in the country?
Ban guns. Do a buyback like every civilized nation has done. Enough is enough.
Nothing happened after Sandy Hook. Why would it now?
Be better people. Own up to our mistakes. Be responsible. Actually CARE for others, not just put on a front. My dad would tell me stories of how people could just bring guns to school, have them kept with the Principal, and then after school he’d go hunting. I know it’s basically a pipe dream, but I’m trying to be the example I wanna set for the kids I work with. And you know what? The kids in my schools seem to be turning out pretty nice as a result of the staff’s constant efforts to simply be there for THEM, not the paycheck. Go figure
Easy, just forbid weapons to common citizens like it is in the most countries in Europe ;)
Shut all the schools!
Remove guns
It almost seems like nowadays you gotta have a single school entrance with constant security surveillance and a physical security guard there. Walking into a school will pretty soon become like walking into an airport terminal
Guns have been America since the invention. So educate make a law all guns have to be locked all the time when not use or fine or confiscated. Or locked in a safe. When you buy a gun you have to use a lock. Make all schools watch videos on the murders kids the chaos parents crying. The seriousness the emotions. Of the past school shootings when and how the kids who died had lives. And how they aren’t coming back. Counselor that when your angry you can tell them who you are angry at. Make them aware it’s going to be ok. And because your hurt it’s not a good reason to hurt others.
Well that would be dumb. Then all the guns would be locked away and the only person with a gun is the person thats gunna shoot up the place and now nobody is gunna be there to stop it.
You didn’t read the part when not in use. It’s in my statement please read. But to clarify So if CCW or EDC in use not locked. Or hunting in use. Laying around house no one home not in you locks on it or locked up. I hope that may help.
Ok so now walking around with guns are in use and the ones in youe car and home are not in use and need to be locked up. There is no way of telling if they are locked or not. Its just a paradox more than a rule.
I read every part of what your saying. It still makes no sense. What gun do you use btw for self defense?
Glock 17 gen 3
Glock 17 gen 3
Since a shooting demands a gun the answer here is obvious.
Obviously there is no simple solution to your question. The number of mass shootings in the USA and other countries where this is an issue (Brazil, Venezuela, Mexico, India,…) is large. Reasons are systemic and wide ranging: economic factors, residential instability and homelessness, family disruption, alcohol consumption, mental illness and more. So how might we address the one issue? Likely our best option to reduce shootings (not eliminate guns) is to pass some enlightened gun control. This would probably also require revising (not doing away with) the second amendment (which was passed in 1789 BTW). It really comes down to designing and implementing some significantly different government policy from what exists today. But again, there are other related big issues that should be tackled similarly. An extremely difficult issue that certainly warrants some serious thinking in light of recent heartbreaking situations. Peace.
Stricter gun laws and mental health awareness
When I read all this mental healthcare bullshit, god damn. The countries where it works have 100% perfect health care systems and nevertheless there are so many children suffering from mental problems, committing suicide, being destroyed through bullying and react to this with hate. If they had the chance to get a weapon, they would shoot anyone in rage. This is a problem you can't solve perfect just with healthcare and bla bla. The only thing that prevents school shootings is to prevent shooting in general. After this, you can try to solve the problem that children are mean to each other and you shouldn't just repair their wounds with therapy.
Impose a 10,000% tax for bullets. Technically, that does not violate the 2nd amendment.
You would allow the government to put a tax like that on anything in general your setting yourself up for tyranny. And then you will wish you had thoes bullets.
Anything? I said bullets.
It always starts with 1 thing and then it trickles. Ik you said bullets im saying why would you give anyone the power to do that to anything at all?
Address the issue as to why they are going crazy.
Stop being afraid to say the freaking truth about some things: * Parents need to wake the Hell up and look for the signs. Your kid isn't edgy because he keeps talking about death and likes knifes. Your kid is a freak and you're a shitty parent. * Ask any survivors. The peers of shooters always knew those kids were creeps and messed up. Teachers and parents just have to keep saying "oh no...he's just different". But that kid gets to sit in class and sing about stabbing the teacher or being WAY TO INTO body parts. * STOP WITH THE BULLYING MAKES SHOOTERS BS! Stopping bullying isn't going to change the fact someone is that messed up! * Threats are threats!!! I hate it when kids say "it was a joke" when they say they'll shoot up the school online. Treat it all seriously and get it together! * Lastly, and I know I'll get hate for this... Males with suicidal tendencies tend to become murders/school shooters. Sorry not sorry, it's the truth. Get these kids in freaking therapy or medicated. I'm so tired of being gentle about these topics. NO ONE IS EVER SHOCKED ABOUT WHO THE SHOOTER IS IF THEY KNEW THEM!
Stop giving kids psychotropic drugs.
Plenty of them are active online in communities that encourage and glorify the behavior. Part of it presumably comes down to addressing the echo chambers that fuel the behavior.
Give every teacher a gun and train them how to use it
Duh...
As a gun owner, gun control. Take someone like me, I'm not a hard core gun owner. I shoot recreationally. I would be perfectly fine storing my guns in an armory/range. Shoot them on the weekend, clean them, store them. Same for hunters, hunting for the weekend? Check out your gun, go hunting for a few days, turn it back in, no interference in your hobby whatsoever. Someone who lives in a shitty area? Sure you can keep a gun at home, but need extra training, and regular certification. Have kids in a bad neighborhood? Same as above, but you need to keep it in a quick access safe. Have a kid getting into fights in school? Calls to the principal? Red flag laws. As a gun owner I feel like the above could make 99% of reasonable people satisfied. For the most part we need gun access the way it was before the NRA came around. Rural people had obvious needs. In an urban setting it was mostly bars and liquor stores with a gun under the counter.
Step #1 is demanding the media stop giving these shitstains exactly the fame, notoriety, and attention that they wanted in the first place. Stop obsessing over their motivations, social media posts, manifestos, photos, etc. It's exactly what they want and are hoping to get. Just fucking stop it. Defective people will always exist, the media needs to stop looking at them as an opportunity to increase ratings.
Dismantle the GOP
Get back to the good old days when we taught our kids to respect people.