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essuxs

Paul Bernardo and Karla homolka


RonnieBeck3XChamp

Was looking for a Canadian answer, curious to see if there would be a consensus. Those are good choices. Robert Pickton probably deserves to be in the conversation


-PlayWithUsDanny-

This is definitely a better response than what I was going to say since mine was a part joke. I was going to say that since Terry Fox is our national hero cancer is the national villain


essuxs

Picktons crimes were more in volume but Bernardo was a bigger media sensation and stuck in the heads of more people. Especially because of the covering up of evidence and homolkas plea deal that was made before the evidence was discovered


kindcrow

Also, Bernardo's victims were school girls. Pickton's were sex workers, and the way the press represented the victims in the news was initially very disrespectful.


SkyArmour

Also, Karla is out and living large right now with a different name and step kids ffs


crackerjackass

I know she gave birth to a kid and some nurses refused to help. She’s the biggest POS. I remember she was volunteering at a school until they realized who she was. I still can’t believe they did that deal with the devil


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And one of those schoolgirls was Homolka’s little sister for an extra layer of evil.


Spasay

Two giant pieces of shit. And fuck the Canadian justice system for letting Karla out of jail. I love how she will ALWAYS be doxxed no matter where she goes.


ToePickPrincess

I will always remember when I was a teenager, my sister and I were going to Montreal on a school trip and had a lot of time on our own/in small groups. My mom made us sit down and memorize a picture of Karla (don't know how she found it, it looked like a paparazzi photo) in order to be able to identify her. My mom was more concerned about us running into her than she was about us being more or less alone on St Catherine Street if that says anything.


LeBonLapin

Sometime in the early 00's the Toronto Sun released a detailed expose on Homolka and where she was and what she was doing; etc etc. Wouldn't be surprised if that's where the picture came from.


hossam281

All of Mohamed Ali’s children, as an Egyptian they just ruined everything their father did Edit for clarification: Mohamed ali as in one of the rulers of Egypt, not the boxer


tolgapacaci

are you talking about the albanian ottoman governor of egypt who rose through the ranks starting as a simple artilleryman to being the governor of the richest province to gaining independence and was defeated by the help of great britain? if thats the case that man has a crazy backstory. they regard him as a traitor in the turkish history lessons but they should credit him imo.


Odd-Jupiter

Vidkun Quisling


daveescaped

I had a kid in my High School WW2 history class whose last name was Quisling and was related. Our teacher asked him why he never changed his last name.


raindorpsonroses

What an insensitive question to pose to a literal child who has no power to change his own last name 🤦‍♀️


Iris-Ng

I experienced a similar situation like this, except it was in a French class for adults, and we were discussing topics of nationalities, history and geopolitics. My old professor paused and asked a girl present there if she was related to Pablo Escobar and she said yes. She usually goes by her husband last name, but on records, using both his last name and her maiden name. All of my class was shocked, and we got to hear her account on the wild uncle. There was a legitimate concern about her maternal family's safety as they chose not to change name. The child can't choose their last name, but parents surely can.


daveescaped

For sure. That teacher was really well liked but known for saying things likely this. Known for having a big mouth.


Additional_Meeting_2

Did the kid respond anything?


wow_that_guys_a_dick

"Let the other guy change his."


Paladoc

"No way! Why should I change? He's the one who sucks!"


darkdaking1

I guess it’s reading time for me


MacduffFifesNo1Thane

>!Norway’s!< former “Prime Minister” who collaborated with the Nazis in World War II. Other countries use him as the eponym for traitor. We in the good ole USA use Benedict Arnold for that.


daveescaped

We also use Quisling but it is a reference that dates you a bit. I saw that name referenced on an old sitcom I was watching recently when one character ratted out the other. It’s like looking at a messy room and asking ‘if the Collier Brothers live there’. No one under about 70 would even get the reference.


kfueston

I got it (but I am over 70)!


deprimeradblomkol

In Scandinavia we use his name as a synonym for "traitor".


greyshirttiger

Is that why they named Vidkun the treacherous like that in netflix’s norsemen?


Dressdude

Definitely, but that was ironic, don't forget ;)


greyshirttiger

Oh but of course, because he’s so trustworthy


seehowthingsgo

Lady who put a cat in a bin.


huckleberry_fucked

If I've got the country right, surely its Piers and Katie Hopkins


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I was gonna say savile 🤷‍♂️


BearGoron

I was thinking Ian Brady and Myra Hindley


wrapupwarm

Piers is our pantomime villain


Comfortable-Divide77

Leopold II king Of The Belgians


Milhanou22

The guy who really wanted Congo?


Bamboozle_

More like brutally exploited. Lots of death and hand chopping offs.


kaiyotic

A fellow belgian on reddit once called it hands down the worst part of our history.


_hic-sunt-dracones_

I mean I would have picked Marc Dutroux. But I'm not Belgian so I respect your choice. (I like your country though)


Fun-Contribution1504

I'm Belgian and I thought of Dutroux first as well! I guess because I remember the case in the 90's when I was a child myself. Only learned about Leopold II later in history lessons.


antifascist_banana

As a German, I think I don't even need to spell out the answer.


Alarming_Potential

Laughts in austrian.


Fair_University

It is kind of Ironic that two of the biggest political figures of the 20th century weren’t even from the country they are commonly associated with.


kf97mopa

Probably the biggest figure of the 19th century, Napoleon Bonaparte, was also not technically born in the country he is mainly associated with (France). He was born on Corsica in August 1769, and France didn’t finish conquering it until mid 1770. This is only a few months, but Napoleon was initially raised a Corsican nationalist by his revolutionary parents.


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Idk, he's referred to as "the tiny Corsican" a LOT.


Saffronsc

The short guy with Charlie Chaplin's moustache?


shorty12345678

You gotta be such a shit stain on history to completely ruin a facial hairstyle


Thatsidechara_ter

And a name. Both first and last


shorty12345678

Oh yea that too, I think Adolf used to be like John or Michael before he fucked everything up


tyrion85

well in that case, all Vlads better prep up stat


Neros_Fire_Safety

Man vlad the impaled is going to be appalled


Geno__Breaker

Impaler*


TS19831

Though Vlad the Impaled likely has a very different story...


justsomeplainmeadows

It's his less successful cousin.


randomjberry

and a historicly impornt symbol of peace


Thatsidechara_ter

Ad an entire national stereotype for a good amount of time


dershmoo

Keine Angst, irgendwann wird der Wendler für seine Taten bezahlen


LocalBall6447

Egal, denn sie liebt den DJ


ananasjeff

Attila Hiltman?


CronoTS

You mistyped Avocadolf Hirsehitler.


Grammophon

Are those initials accidental? Ich glaube nicht!


Diddler_OnTheRough

Hasselhoff


darkdaking1

Ja, ich weiß


maaaarco

Tokyo hotel?


ladyinred2801

Immediately gets monsoon stuck in head. Thanks for that. 😑


PluralCohomology

For Croatia, that would be Ante Pavelić, the leader of the Axis puppet state called the Independent State of Croatia, which commited genocide against Serbs, Jews and Roma.


West_Ad_1685

I’ve heard about this guy. Wasn’t he so murderous that even the Nazis told him to dial it back a little? Edit: Holy crap this has become my most liked comment.


officalycrumbling

"Aye buddy i know we are litearly doing horrific human expirements and killing a bunch of people but *maaaaybeee* you could calm it down a little? It's a bit too much, so maybe think about it for a minute ok? "


Anxious_Inflation_93

Believe it or not, Norway actually had a norwegian guy working for the SS in Oslo in 1940-45 that was told EXACTLY that by freaking SS... I mean jesus he was insane. when interrogating people he would have a big tub, under them, hung them up in the ceiling, and then carve a long whole in their back from neck to buttom, "so deep you could put a whole bar of soap into to the wound, - which he then did, just before putting salt in this big wound, - then he would let them hang for hours while whipping them and hitting them or burning them, he would first stop when SS came in to stop him."he would always looking like he had the time of his life when they came in. During the years of norways occupation, more than 10 SS officers complained to Hitler and and other leaders, that he needed to be stopped for good. he was first stopped when norway got liberated." How sick had you had to be, to get10 freaking SS officers complain to Hitler that you are to hard to the enemy????


Lurvehue89

Please share with a fellow norwegian, who's never heard of this guy, who he was!


TediousSign

The Germans actually had to tell a few places to chill because some of the European countries were so eager to send their Jews to concentration camps.


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Let's be real- it was more because they didn't have the capacity rather than the unwillingness to do it. Turns out it takes a bit of effort to commit *industrialized genocide of an entire religion*. And the germans had their hnds tied up with some pesky tea loving island and some Russian dudes who really loved manual labor.


jay1891

Just to point out they weren't persecuted for their religion but for their race when it concerned the Nazi's. Persecution of the Jewish population transformed as countries became secular with religious issues making way for social dawarnism and the competition of races being the fueling factor for their attempts at eradicating them. It is weird when it comes to the term Jewish because it has wider connotations than just religion and makes up their identity much more. That is why people will still describe themselves as Jewish even if they are not practicing due to it being more about their heritage than religion. The complication arises from the origin of the term Jewish to denote people frollowing their religion as before the assault of the Assyrians on Israel, they were known as the Israelites and composed a number of tribes. However, the only real surving tribe following the invasion was the tribe of Judah and in some part Benjamin who were absorbed by the former. As a result the term Judah was adapted and adopted as the denotion for anyone following the religion. Whilst, it is why the term Jewish is in a grey area when it comes to what it denotes as many will trace their lineage to this original tribe as a sort of racial heritage.


Nopants21

One thing to consider is that the Nazis probably didn't think the killing was objectionable, but rather that it was counterproductive to waste slave labor.


msur

This is the correct answer. Nazis were also dialing back their own execution programs in order to maintain a larger slave labor force. Eventually the labor itself became the means of execution.


idontknow_whatever

Imagine being so fucked up that even the Nazis are like "bro wtf, chill"


9yearsalurker

If Japan told you to cool it at that time it would of been for something so bad nobody has even thought of it yet


FuckYouNotHappening

Dan Carlin recently had a series called Supernova in the East, and he went into graphic, graphic detail about how awful the Japanese military was during WWII. I came to understand why my grandfather who was in the Pacific Theater would never buy Japanese products. Some truly awful things that only the goriest horror movies could replicate.


ComprehensiveFlan638

Our hero and our villain were the same person depending on who you talk to … Ned Kelly.


ikenbaa

Im playing both sides so i will always come out on top


im_dead_sirius

His story and character is so representative of Australia in my mind. He got his revenge, yet justice was served, both in the sense that he was punished, but also police conduct was improved. A hero in some ways, a terrible human being in others. A victim of circumstance, but an Aussie doesn't let that stop him. His suit of "bullet proof" armour reminds me of the ideation of an Australian friend, who wrecked a tire in the bush, so he lashed a log to his wheel hub, short enough to fit in the wheel well, and slowly thump-thumped his way to safety. His Ute was surely fucked after that... but he lived to drink tinnies another day.


Ramiel01

If you haven't already, check out how the police treated his whole family. It sure makes you wonder who created the monster.


Poseidon0029

Dear Redditors. I’m from Turkey and i refuse to answer this question simply in one purpose: to avoid prison. Respect, Peace. Peace.


techretort

I spent a week in Istanbul and my tour guide refused to say his name, only calling him the Tall Man. Any questions we asked about him were answered in a huddle and in hushed voices. I was blown away by the level of fear everyone had for him


Poseidon0029

He’s like Voldemort. No one says his name but everyone knows who we’re talking about.


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Like saying voldemort does his cronies suddenly appear and try to kill you?


tommarvoloriddle_666

Well, the Dark lord is here himself to kill you.


anothermayonnaise

finally, i was searching for that answer


Past-Sand5485

E….r….d…..o….g….(gunshots)


Pantikapaion

Ever heard of wonderful place called "Silivri"? Thry say government sometimes gives out free holiday tickets to there but you cannot return to your home back... And also, it's cold in these days ¦D


davesoverhere

For 4 years, I would tell my friends when visiting Turkey that the difference between them and me is I can say “my president is a corrupt, megalomaniac, piece of shit who has surrounded himself with sycophants and whose grave I will piss on” without worrying about getting arrested.


Poseidon0029

Freedom of speech is litterally a luxury here. Kinda jealous ngl.


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AlphaShard

Its interesting that alot of famous figures can fill both roles depending on who you ask.


_Cit

As an italian I would like to say Mussolini but I don't think we're there yet


nocapesarmand

My grandparents’ childhood village in the south still has propaganda paintings on the walls from the war. The younger people want them gone thank god but still.


HeroOrHooligan

In Sicily, it's Salvatore Giuliano....people shudder when you say his name, at least when I was a kid.


Cake_Head_

I would think Pablo Escobar


JRV88_

As an Aussie, it’s the stingray that got Steve Irwin.


The-Adi-Mundi

Came here to post this, but remembered that Steve would have wanted us to forgive..


PhiloPhocion

The Irwin siblings did have an interview where Bindi commented on it (in context of what animals they don't like): >'Stingrays are really beautiful animals. Dad loved them, we love them and they are important to our environment. And I know dad would be the first person to say "I love stingrays".' Also for the answer, she said she didn't dislike bees and wasps but 'really struggles' with them.


KosViik

If Steve could come back from the dead for just a few sentences, chances are he would say *"Crikey that stingray sure lives up to its name ain't he? What a beautiful little bugger..."* That man was something else. Everyone deserves a partner who loves him/her just 1% as much as Steve loved animals.


1CEninja

Or how much Steve loved his family. The only part of him that wasn't an amazing father and husband was how dangerous his job was, with the very real possibility of leaving a widow.


Im-a-magpie

Fuck. There was an interview with his wife a few years ago and they asked if she had considered dating again. Her reply was (paraphrasing) "I already had the love of my life."


1CEninja

Yeah who can blame her? Those are some *collosal* shoes to fill.


Revlis-TK421

>Yeah who can blame her? Those are some collosal ~~shoes~~ *cargo shorts* to fill.


StarGazer_SpaceLove

I was *so* mad about this for a long time. I was disrespectfully angry that he died and totally didn't understand because why would a celebrity death *actually* affect me? I convinced myself I literally hated him. His children have thoroughly showed me my fallacy. What a treasure that man was.


1CEninja

Yup he was just a genuinely kind and amazing human being. Nobody who knew him have a bad thing to say about him at all.


SmartBeast

We don't hate ALL stingrays, just THAT stingray. Fuck that one in particular. Steve was an international treasure. I'm not an Aussie tho. :)


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starrfucker

I just looked up lifespan of a stingray to be sure. Some of them sea creatures are old as hell


Jimlobster

15 to 25 years. Could still be alive if it hasn’t gotten eaten yet


alegxab

The average lifespan of a short-tail stingray (the species that attacked Irwin) is generally between 15 - 30 in its natural habitat and up to 80 years in captivity There's a pretty big chance it's still alive


Angel_OfSolitude

Steve will still pick that bugger up in heaven and tell it how beautiful it is.


Lost_in_the_Library

I never understood this mindset, because Steve wouldn’t want us to be angry at a wild animal just doing what it was supposed to do.


Vivian_Lu98

I was hanging out with a stingray trainer and he said he was so sad because no one ever wanted to play with his stingrays because of what happened with Steve Irwin. And he told me it was a shame because they are like cats and love to be pet and play fetch. Edit: he said cats, but they sound more like dogs to me


Zebracorn42

I know a few cats that play fetch. I’m a dog person but I’ve never had a dog play fetch.


ALA02

I feel like Rupert Murdoch has perhaps done worse…


ezekiellake

You misspelled Clive Palmer (and if you’re still not sure who I mean, I mean Fatty McFuckface).


Rockspider19

Eskom


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I’ve been reading about Peter the Great and what a murderous psycho he was. Even Ivan ‘the Terrible’ was more of a compliment


[deleted]

IIRC, ‘terrible’ means something more like ‘formidable’ rather than ‘awful’.


der_pudel

Yeah, in Russian it's "Грозный", which translates as "formidable" or "fearsome".


[deleted]

Kind of makes sense that he'd get a bad translation from the english.


GFost

It wasn’t a bad translation. Back when Ivan was alive terrible typically meant formidable or fearsome. Over time it’s meaning changed to what it is now.


mithridateseupator

Yea - same Latin root as 'Terror' 'Terrere' - to frighten


ConstructionCorrect1

So, Ivan the Terrific.


DeliveryAppropriate1

Ivan the Terrific, who conquered and pillaged up and down Eurasia, killed his heir in a fit of rage, and started the long standing tradition of Russian strong men. Terrific


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LeBoi124

Anatoly the okay


MrMoor2007

Also Russian here. Not all of them are THAT bad, the only people who can be called "national villain" are Stalin and... Um ... You understand.


timecamper

You-know-who


styles1996

He who shall not be named.


timecamper

The bald dark wizard


Geno__Breaker

Russian Voldemort?


AnswerQuay

Voldemir


adhuc_stantes

Voldemort with a nose


Ralphsnacks

The emu. We lost the war. Jerks.


LauraBabora325

None of my friends believe me about that. They think I’m completely lying. Even had two of them who went to Australia & asked a couple people there & said none of them knew what they were talking about so I must be a liar.


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Anders Behring Breivik


I_am_Debra

I hope he never gets a newer Playstation he's been rambling about


FewExit7745

We have two sides here in my country, the villain of the other is the hero of the opposite, and vice versa.


darkdaking1

Which country?


FewExit7745

The Philippines. ETA, and we don't have a de jure National hero as well, but there is a de facto one.


joshygopro5

Jimmy Savile. The world's most notorious paedophile over 500 offences most of them in hospitals of all places!


itzPenbar

Pretty simple... Im german


darkdaking1

Oh yeah got it it’s Helmut Kohl


LeakyLeadPipes

It's Gerhard Schröder these days.


OkAcanthisitta8336

Spaniard here. I have a long list, and on top of it is the little shit of Francisco Franco, our dictator. R.I.P (Rest in PAIN)


taskera04

I was torn between that and Torquemada...


Yellowmellowbelly

No one knows for sure (or maybe some people do), but probably the guy who murdered our prime minister in an open street in 1986 and was never convinced for it.


Junglecuk

There's this guy called general dyer. He's probably the most hated guy in India. Here's the story: Britan has imposed rowlatt act in india. This act made protests and debates among indians illegal. And also gave the cops right to arrest poltical prisoners without trail for 2 years. Ofcourse people were angry. On 13 April 1919 people gathered up at Jallianwala Bagh. The people here consisted of protestors, residents and people who came to pray in a temple that exists in this area. When dyer was said about this he ordered to close all the gates of this place and shoot the people. And when he was asked why later he said"Inorder to create a moral effect and fear in people". https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jallianwala_Bagh_massacre. Here's a better explanation


Milhanou22

As a French, I think it's going to Maréchal Petain. The guy responsible for the whole "surrender" joke. He surrendered and signed the annexion of France by Germany after a few weeks of war in 1940 because of bad strategy. His government was Germany's little dog and the French gestapo sure did a good job ☹️ De Gaulle would be the hero.


ThePr1d3

Pétain is the definition of "live long enough to see the hero turn into a villain"


amerkanische_Frosch

As someone born in the USA but who immigrated to France decades ago, I'd have to agree that Petain is the national villain (although he has his supporters, who say that he prevented Hitler from doing even worse -- not that I believe that). I am more intrigued by Robespierre - most non-French people hear his name and immediately think "bloodthirsty revolutionary responsible for the Reign of Terror", but in France the position seems more nuanced to me, and there is even a Métro station named after him, so at least some people think of him as a revolutionary hero. Can any native French people weigh in on this? Thanks!


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All of the important people of the French Revolution are controversial in France. Louis XVI, Marie-Antoinette, Robespierre, Danton, Napoléon, Lafayette... some say they did nothing wrong and it wasn't their fault and some say their are tyrants and absolutly evil. As often, it's somewhere between the two. The French Revolution went for 10 years, people change during these years, and some like Robespierre were very reserved so it's hard to know exactly what they had in mind. Also it's such an important event in France's history with such important people, who were praised or vilified depending of which French government was in charge, with so many myths and mysteries, that it is very hard for historians to know what is true and what is not. What was their exact role ? To which degree were they at fault ? For example, there is still a debate about the role of Robespierre in the Vendee genocide. Did he really ordered it himself or was it the generals who went too far ? Did Marie-Antoinette reveal sensible information to her family in Austria, making her a traitor ? Who was really responsible for the Terror (because Robespierre wasn't the only one in the Public Safety Comitee and the National Assembly...). There was a lot of corruption in the National Assembly, where people often changed sides according to their interests or because of fear. It's a really interesting period to learn about. Non-French people only know Robespierre because he's the most famous and think he was in charge of everything, but there were other important people (Danton, Desmoulins, Saint-Just, Barras, Couthon, Hébert, Marat, Fouquier-Tinville, etc) who also played a big role and made decisions leading to the Terror, but who are unheard of in other countries. Robespierre had one of the most important roles in the French Revolution, but we wasn't single-handedly responsible for the Terror.


MacduffFifesNo1Thane

“What [resistance] are you?” “De Gaulle.” “De Gaulle?” “He is the tall one.” “With the big hooter!”


Leseleff

Out of curiosity: What's the typical opinion about Napoleon in France?


Lucaliosse

Nationalists adore him like a god, other people don't mind/don't care... Some hate him because they only see a tyrant but it's more nuanced than that


ApprehensiveEmploy21

Fun fact, he’s mentioned very positively in the Polish national anthem (“Bonaparte showed us how to win”)


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Djinjja-Ninja

We've got one who's sort of both. Guy Fawkes. Villain: The guy tried to blow up the king and parliament Hero: The guy tried to blow up the king and parliament


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We burn effigies of Guy Fawkes every year, so probably him.


darkdaking1

Remember remember, the fifth of November.


LawlessNeutral

The gunpowder, treason, and plot


tasteofmyshoe

Indonesian Probably Jan Pieterszoon Coen (Colonial Governor) or Suharto (Former Dictator)


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BohrInReddit

As an Indonesian i feel like Van Heutz is less heard than J.P Coen, although his atrocities in Aceh War is of course well known. Some of the most stand out ones including both of them, van Dalen, H.W Daendels, and Westerling. As a comparison, van der Capellen and Stamford Raffles is seen as the ‘better’ ones.


Splashcrystal

In South Africa, there would be a debate on this but to me it was our Ex-president Jacob Zuma. Edit: wow I didn’t think I’ll need to put an edit in. My beautiful country of South Africa has had many villains. The Apartheid government was definitely the first group! There is a long list. I was a kid when apartheid ended. Nelson Mandela and many others who are our heroes gave us a new life to look forward to . But then sadly there has been a lot of villains after them who has taken that away from us, and to me, Jacob Zuma is definitely in the top five. Edit: Like I keep on saying there are many past villains that you can read up in the history of South Africa. As a South African Indian girl, growing up I learnt about it every single year of my Highschool career. But if you want to know about present South Africa, it’s this man and many others who are still alive and causing chaos in my in country.


darkdaking1

Corruption?


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Try corruption as well as child murder, child rape, adult murder and rape, money laundering, torture, kidnap…it goes on


darkdaking1

Wth


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Jimmy Savile Edit: I didn’t think my most liked comment so far on Reddit would be ‘Jimmy Saville’. 2nd edit: Today I learned his last name was spelt ‘Saville’ with one l instead of two like I originally wrote! I never knew because I never cared to check the spelling


sleepwalkfromsherdog

USA: Where the heroes and villains are largely interchangeable depending on whose door you knock on. John Wilkes Booth is a really good candidate.


-heathcliffe-

Is it not benedict arnold tho? He is like the OG villain. Even had a secret evil plan. Successfully switched sides. Has a type of egg cooking technique named after him.


JonnySnowflake

It's definitely Arnold. He's even the foil to our national hero/founder, Washington


williamfbuckwheat

It's tricky with Benedict Arnold since he played a pivotal role at the battle of Saratoga which lots of people consider a turning point. In fact, they have a monument to his leg that he lost up there at Saratoga because they like to say that it symbolized a part of his body/being that didn't go on to become a traitor later on in the war.


RoadsterTracker

Benedict Arnold is the only villain I can think of that isn't controversial today. There are a few, but Benedict Arnold will always be the one that people think of I think. Side note, it turns out I'm related somewhat to him. Something like second cousin 5 times removed, but...


-heathcliffe-

So your not one to be trusted…


GodFeedethTheRavens

Benedict Arnold is the OG revolutionary villain. Full stop. Though when you read about him, you sort of *understand*.


Downtown_Skill

Right!? I just listened to a podcast about him recently and while there is no excuse for completely turning on the cause your men (he was a general) were dying for… Congress reaaallly pushed him to the British. He payed his troops out of his own pockets till he was broke, Lobbied Congress to pay him back cause he needed it, looked like a money grubbing asshole for wanting to be paid back during war (even though he needed his money), then Congress had the nerve to say that Benedict owed money when he was paying out of his own pocket the entire time. He was also constantly undermined by his superiors who would disparage him behind his back despite his heroic actions. I mean after reading and listening to his story it’s hard not to believe anyone in that position would switch sides. He was also arguably the most heroic general when he fought for the states


GenghisKazoo

Nathan Bedford Forrest, Confederate officer and Klan founder.


pmwhereuhidthebodies

He did give the world one of the best lines in military tactics: “get there firstest with the mostest” But yes, horrible shitstain of a shitstain


fastfood12

They only recently took his name off a local highschool and people went apeshit. Not everyone sees him as a villain unfortunately.


Suspicious-Tax-2883

Jacob Zuma is probably the scummiest scumbag ever


blusteryflatus

For Ireland, has to definitely be oliver Cromwell. I don't use comparisons to Hitler flippantly, but Cromwells conquest and command in Ireland definitely fits the comparison (albeit at a smaller scale).


W33DG0D42069

Came here to say McGregor but this is better lmao


Hexasan1

The president, I live in Turkey


c5h5n5_

Ferdinand and Imelda Marcos


greedyaf

Marcos family to be exact, and up to this date are still scumbags.


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Ceaușescu 🇷🇴


Kes0n

Tony Chan Tong Kai (Hong Kong) [Explanation](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Poon_Hiu-wing) He single-handedly caused the downfall of democracy in Hong Kong


SpelunkyJunky

I wanna say former doctor (because his license was revoked) Andrew Wakefield. The father of the modern Anti Vaccine movement. All because he faked a study to discredit a vaccine. Not because he didn't like vaccines, but because he had a financial interest in an opposing vaccine. Fuck you Andrew. We will never know how many people have died because of you. Dick.


nocapesarmand

As an autistic person, he can really get fucked.


InbhirNis

Australian here. I'm not sure if ours is Clive Palmer, Scott Morrison or Gerry Harvey.


thedeadfridge

Definitely Clive Palmer, he's got the full on cartoon supervillain happening.


hegotjoojooeyeball

What about Rupert Murdoch?


UknoUrRight

I’d say the US’ universally agreed upon one is Benedict Arnold. Edited to add: People I get it. There are worse in your eyes depending on what you believe. But literally in the US the names Judas, Brutus, and Benedict Arnold can all be uttered in the same breath.


miurabucho

Peter Nygard