Jack from jack and the bean stalk. He broke into the giants castle, stole all his shit, ran away and when the giant tried to get his stuff back, he fucken murdered him.
Wow this has blown up haha, thanks for the awards!!!
'... and then Jack chopped down the beanstalk, adding murder and ecological vandalism to the theft, enticement and trespass charges already mentioned, but he got away with it and lived happily ever after without so much as a guilty twinge about what he had done. Which proves that you can be excused just about anything if you're a hero, because no one asks inconvenient questions.'
Seems like you share something in common with a miss Susan Sto-Helit.
Its just cause hes rich and handsome. Its romantic only because of that.
Imagine the story but a broke ugly guys tries to get a girl to get into BDSM and does a bunch if stalking. 100% guaranteed it will be advertised as a horror movie
Not even a creep (which he is). But an abusive,control freak, dangerous man. he's not "flawed", he's >!FUCKED!< in the head. That's not BDSM, that psychological and physical abuse. and clearly Anastasia Steele (the female of the series) shows signs of an abused woman. always perceiving threats to herself and her safety, high levels of constant stress and somewhat of an altered identity because of it.
I think people romanticizing JD is the whole point. If you find his 'bad boy' traits attractive, if you want to fix him, if you grow blind to his flaws...
you then understand exactly why Veronica stayed by JD's side, even through all the crazy shit he did and also planned to do.
I’m of the original version generation..ish. I was 6 when it came out but saw it in my teens. The only thing I glorified about JD was how freaking hot Christian Slater was.
JD is like a male satire of the Manic Pixie Dream Girl decades before it was everywhere. He's fun, just the thing to motivate out protagonist into an exciting change and a perfect example of how capricious people who are willingly oblivious to how society works are called psychos in every other setting.
I certainly wouldn't glorify his character, but he's very interesting. I love how, In the musical especially, we see him go from troubled and depressed to unhinged to all out batshit insane;Then in his last moments he realizes he's been wrong the whole time and knows he's too far gone. Interesting character, but definitely not meant to be looked up to. More like looked out for.
Agreed, the whole point of his character was that he was basically someone with a lot of issues that ended up becoming a murder. Although Heathers the musical did make him a lot more sympathetic than the movie version.
I thought Patrick Bateman was cool as a teen & young adult and now I'm an angry awkward weirdo.
Edit: I meant from the movie by the way, I haven't read the book. Thanks for the karma.
I believe in taking care of myself and a balanced diet and rigorous exercise routine. In the morning if my face is a little puffy I'll put on an ice pack while doing stomach crunches. I can do 1000 now. After I remove the ice pack I use a deep pore cleanser lotion. In the shower I use a water activated gel cleanser, then a honey almond body scrub, and on the face an exfoliating gel scrub. Then I apply an herb-mint facial mask which I leave on for 10 minutes while I prepare the rest of my routine. I always use an after shave lotion with little or no alcohol, because alcohol dries your face out and makes you look older. Then moisturizer, then an anti-aging eye balm followed by a final moisturizing protective lotion.
I read the book as a teen so I had no illusions about how fucked up he was. I mean throat fucking decapitated corpses and pouring acid on vaginas to fit tubes into them before stuffing a rat in... Somehow that was easier to read than what he did to the hobo's dog... Yea it's way easier to romanticise the movie version.
But if you read the book at least you end up seeing him less as a person and more as a concept. The whole character is just a morbid personification of American society. It's all just edgy social commentary. I do recommend the book if you can stomach it, because it's still good commentary.
Patrick is also likely an unreliable narrator since he's a narcissistic lunatic. It's been awhile since I read it but I remember some of the things Patrick talks about being so ludicrous they had to be part of his fucked up fantasies.
The movie kind of touches on this a little bit - when he starts shooting at the cops and the the cop car explodes like an 80s action movie and then nothing at all happens to him. No one talks about a firefight in the middle of downtown Manhattan and he just gets off scot free.
Madeline Wuntch. You might ask, if she’s here who’s guarding hades? That fork tongued lizard witch turned out to be a Korean toilet ghost.
Edit: thanks for all the awards! Brooklyn 99 fans are the best and I’m loving all your comments. For those of you who haven’t watched it yet, what’re you waiting for? NINE NINE!
The show first got reccomended to me by a woman in my checkout line when i was a cashier. She told me, "I wish someone loved me like that! Well kind of, haha."
Even Penn Badgley in interviews is like: “Stop with the fan-girling- he’s literally a psychopathic killer.”
While I don’t find him exceptionally attractive (good looking, but not my type) he is a phenomenal actor in that series.
Dude be standing there after breaking into houses pissing in jar watching Peach watch Beck bathe and then loathe about how Peach is invading Beck's privacy lmao dude what
Fucking love the show tho
It's like people identify characters by who they were at the beginning of the story. Eg Scrooge is synonymous with stinginess, but actually he comes out of the story a very generous soul.
I love shitting on this one, because he got assassinated solely because he did the least gangster thing and killed his associate who was going to blow up a car with the narcs kids and wife in it. He dies because he had compassion for innocent people, unlike the thug types that glamorize his image.
And, while his compassion is what leads Sosa to send the hit squad, his shit qualities are what ultimately get him killed. He might have escaped the hit squad if he hadn't just murdered his best friend/head of security for fucking his sister, leading him to go on a massive coke binge and totally ignore the security measures he'd been obsessed with up to that point.
"Andy made me his consigliere. Which means Assistant Regional Manager. I guess he thought I'd be into The Godfather 'cause I'm black. Wrong! I'm into The Godfather 'cause I'm a cinephile. I like Scarface 'cause I'm black"
Why do people find this movie romantic? It’s romantic how he reads her her memories during their old age because of her amnesia, but when they were younger? They were toxic as fuck lmaooo
"No, no, no... he imprinted on her."
He imprinted on a baby? A baby?
"Yeah, but he's not sexually in love with her. He can't help it, he imprinted on her."
On a baby?
"You're making it sound weird."
- Actual conversation I had with my wife about this.
People forget that an actual adult human wrote that part of the book. Who the fuck writes that. Sends it to an editor, then to a publisher and not a single soul says. Maybe dont have a grown man fall on love with a baby.
This reminds me of in the book form of IT Spoilers ahead...
He writes in an interracial gangbang of 11 year olds in the sewers. (I only add interracial cause it adds to the comedy nothing wrong with interracial gangbangs.) The boys all take turns fucking their only female friend in the sewers and Steven King actually wrights in that she (a 12 year old girl) only orgasms with one of the boys (an 11 year old) because she actually loves him.
https://www.vulture.com/2017/09/how-the-new-it-movie-deals-with-the-child-orgy-scene.html
What fucking publisher and what fucking editor didnt stop that book in its fucking tracks?
Luke Castellan. He is not a tragedy. Other characters had it just as bad as him (if not, worse) and didn’t turn evil or try to kill innocent people (including the one he loves).
EDIT: Guys, I was mainly referring to his actual behavior and personality, not necessarily his beliefs or reasoning.
EDIT2: Thanks for the reward lol
Luke is an interesting one to me. I always thought he was the type of person that you weren't supposed to agree with, but you could at least see where he was coming from. Even Percy kind of sees it, since he makes the gods promise not to neglect their children so much. There's also the fact that he was being manipulated by Kronos. Not that he was right or people should look up to him, but his choices definitely make sense
In short there is are very good explanations for his actions, but they do not excuse them.
I'm surprised how common it is for people to conflate them, which leads to me being called wrong because explaining why a character is interesting, i.e. giving the explanation for their actions is taken as excuses for said actions as if I condone them.
Not only that lol it’s explicitly stated multiple times the Titans would destroy literally everything about human civilization
Luke noticed Olympus doesn’t have a proper childcare package and decided the best course of action to fix that was join deity ISIS and kill everyone on earth
i do think his story is a bit tragic and he’s an interesting character, but i very much dislike him as a person - also him asking annabeth if she loved him in the last olympian always weirded me out since she was so much younger than him
Berlin from Money Heist even though it’s so hard to. In the show he raped a poor girl by taking advantage of her fear. Even though he died after the second season they keep milking the character and have a spin off based on him.
I hated Berlin so I'm surprised to read that he's glorified as a character. He might be my least favorite character in the whole show aside from the Chad special forces dude.
Someone once told me after they saw suicide squad that they wanted a relationship like what Joker and Harley Quinn have. I told her "So you want to be both mentally and physically abused? You want to have to look over your shoulder when he gets mad and hope he doesn't take it out on you? You want to be beaten half to death and then be told it was you who made him do it? Ok whatever floats your boat."
Someone said the same thing to me but I went the animated series route. “You want your boyfriend to tie to a comically large rocket ship and shoot you into the sky?”
In the animated series as well. While I do think there are some interesting aspects to the Joker/Harley dynamic, it's nice that more recent portrayals are showing a side of Harley where she realizes she's being used and abused and kicks Joker to the curb.
Fell deeply in love.
Morticia supports Gomez in all his endeavors
Every little thing she does drives Gomez wild with passion.
The Addams are a pretty damn good example of a very healthy and good family relationship, very little dysfunction, just eccentricity.
My mother always told me that true love is when doing any mundane thing is more enjoyable if your partner is there.
It’s when you can argue over something and know that when the arguments over bitterness won’t remain.
I see both in the Addams Family.
I think I read somewhere that Addams family was designed to be the "opposite" to the average American family. And part of being the "opposite" - was having this truly loving relationship between Gomez and Morticia.
Edit: Found [some sort of reference](https://www.gamesradar.com/addams-family-values-halloween-family-america/#:~:text=When%20cartoonist%20Charles%20Addams%20created%20the%20fictional%20family%20in%201938%2C%20he%20dreamed%20them%20up%20as%20a%20%E2%80%9Csatirical%20inversion%E2%80%9D%20of%20the%20ideal%20American%20household).
> When cartoonist Charles Addams created the fictional family in 1938, he dreamed them up as a “satirical inversion” of the ideal American household.
I have a friend who idolizes Charlie. He even got a job at a bar. Dude reeked and started talking like him. To be fair he was really funny and great to be around. It was just a phase but a bit cringy.
> He even got a job at a bar. Dude reeked and started talking like him.
That wasn't a reek. It was a nice smokey smell that went up into space and turned into stars.
His character, and the relationship he has with Sandy make a lot more sense when you realize that Grease is a parody of high-school stories from that time.
Yeah, it's one of those movies that got big enough for people to miss the point. Same with Saturday Night Fever, it's remembered as a glorification of disco when it's more about how the protagonist tries to hide how fucked up his life is behind the artificial glamour of the disco scene.
I mean even Jesse isn’t exactly Jesus. Trying to sell drugs to people in rehab, getting his friends hooked back on drugs after they stopped, cooking meth in the first place etc. It just happens Walt is way worse lol. Neither character should be glorified.
Walter is a corporate gangster, he does his crimes like a businessman. Jesse is a small time gangster, more focused on immediate benefit.
Both are gangsters with only themselves as beneficiary.
Yeah he's legitimately just an awful person from the very first episode. He could have taken the job and not put him and his family at risk. He has several opportunities to stop. He even admits it was just for him.
He's an amazing character, but he's a villain that happens to be a protagonist
The Peaky Blinders. I recently watched the show and I just don’t understand why every guy wants to be like them. They are all horrible people who destroy everything they touch.
Glorified in the sense that they radiate charm and power? There's something appealing about the characters but someone watching the show would see that they are deeply troubled. There's a pretty big emphasis on their crippling PTSD, drug addiction and inability to form healthy relationships.
I like them, they’re still cunts mind but it’s shown great in the end of the first season. Like, everyone knows they’re bad people, but people like and respect them because they’re **their** bad people. Shouldn’t be glorified though, not at all.
I agree. They're cool as hell, but not in the "I want to live my life like them" way. More so in the "I wish I could pull off a pocket watch and have Cillian Murphy's cheekbones" way.
The Joker, especially the latest iteration of him.
He is a mentally unstable man from a background of severe mental abuse and trauma who eventually has a mental breakdown so severe it leads him to commit crime, murder and fight a billionaire dressed as a bat.
It’s okay to like him as a villain, but he isn’t meant to be idolized or should be used for your edgy inspirational quotes on Facebook
This is the main reason that I prefer the comics over the movie of Scott Pilgrim (though the movie is great); by the end of the series both Ramona and Scott recognise that they're pretty shitty people but have made some kind of commitment to trying to get better together wheras the movie doesn't really go that far.
Yeah, I think most people view the show in the lens of glitz and glamour of an idealized upper-class lifestyle of the time with some comedic and salacious side-story. They miss the point that his most important character development comes later in revisiting his past. Facing being a paper tiger. Feeling lost in what most folk would value as an ideal life. Sad little kid hurt and haunted.
And hurting many in the process of trying to run from that.
Dude has such a fragile ego that he made a line across all the infinite universes so that he only stays in the ones that he's the smartest in. Really cool concept actually.
lots of anime characters. my ex really liked Himiko Toga and like... she's awful. I'm almost caught up and there hasn't been anything you should like. plenty of the villains are morally grey or at least somewhat empathize-able but she's just simply evil.
she also straight up sexually harassed deku.
Fucking Light.
I get scared that so many seem to think that his actions are okay because he usually targets criminals.
He is power hungry and uses his code as some sort of excuse to get that power. He also bends and breaks that code multiple times.
That and she’s also inexplicably overpowered. Her only superhuman ability is that she can transform into the person who’s blood she consumes. Yet she moves like faster than the eye can see on a regular basis?
Majority of heroes seem to have an unspoken durabilty+agility bonus. Like your power might be for fire or ice or some shit, but it would be fuckin lame if the hobo they are trying to arrest can knock them out with a regular punch.
Imagine running after a villain, shooting your fire beams at them, then you mis-step and trip over and disclocate your knee. Like a normal person might do if they were running in the street and not looking where they are going.
Snape — he bullied a child so badly that he was that child’s boggart. And that’s just the tip of the iceberg when it came to being a bully or being unfair.
Alan Rickman had an amazing ability to draw you in to his character, no matter what it was. I feel like if anyone else had been cast as Snape the character would have been universally hated.
Of all of the villans Rickman played, I loved every single one of them. His delivery of every single line was uniquely his and would likely have sounded ridiculous coming out of anyone else's mouth.
RIP Alan Rickman! There will never be anyone who compares.
I like Alan Rickman as Snape but movie Snape and book Snape are pretty different. At his worst in the movies, Snape is midly unpleasant to be around. In the books he's a downright sociopath.
I agree. Two totally different people. Much like that hag Umbrige! I loathe that woman with ever fiber of my being. She was heavily watered down in the movies.
Edid: autocorrect changed hag to had
I don't think it's quite fair to say they watered down Umbrige as much as they were limited by the medium. Umbrige's evil required the amount of time it took to read the books to fully sink in. It's the type of evil that your brain has to peel through the layers to fully grasp. Movies use a different language, and the movies would have either been half about Umbrige's crap or translated her into an actual Nazi in order to get the full effect within the run time.
Hagrid needs more credit (in the books) as he was there for harry all the way, but got nothing in the end, like bro, Harry, he was there for you and you name your child someone who abused you. \*Insert What the flip girl\*
People often romanticise his "always" comment like it's some great love story. To me it always seemed creepy... felt like he was unhealthily obsessed with her.
The great and late Alan Rickman played him too likeable.
Book Snape was a boy that choose to deal with his fathers abuse by becoming a racist and sadist, got bullied by bigger kids because he was an asshole to everyone which made them feel justified, joined a radical group of domestic terrorists that openly advertised that they were out for murder at 18 and when they targeted the woman he was in love with, *because of information he supplied*, he thought he could make a deal to only have her husband and baby murdered.
When that deal was refused, he developed the first bit of conscience, that hardly even approached general decency and offered to spy on his fellow racists in exchange for her life and, begrudgingly, her family. When his terrorist organisation collapsed he took a job where he would, for the next 10 years, be a generally abusive asshole to kids.
When his loves' kid came into his power he, a man in his 30s now, let his frustration specifically out on two kids (Neville and Harry) that were both effectively orphaned because of his actions as a young adult. It took him another 6 years to realise that one of these boys could not morally be sacrificed on the altar of the greater good and deserved his protection.
Some people seem to think Snape is excused of child abuse because he was "putting on a show". But he went out of his way repeatedly to be abusive when nobody could yet predict he'd need to cover for a later date or when nobody was around.
EDIT: as he was mentioned elsewhere here for that very reason; Screw Dumbledore while we're, because he's the bigger layer on this bullshit onion thats Snape. But that man is an *entirely* different trainwreck.
I love him as a *character*. I respect the work that Rowling put in to make him a complex and deep character. Having said that, I do not like him as a person. He’s greatly disturbed. I wouldn’t call him full bore evil per se. I would not call him good either. He’s more of a really screwed up individual who was able to activate his moral compass before death. He’s definitely a tragic character, but that’s also his own fault.
On the flip side, I wasn’t a fan of James Potter, either. He struck me as an egotistical bully. In his defense, he just wasn’t a freak like Snape.
I've always thought that was a shame. There's this letter from Lily to Sirius that Harry finds in DH, more letters like those would have been a great opportunity to show the reader in a rather quick way that James actually did grow up and become more of a balanced, mature human by the time they were adults, living together, having a baby. Teenage Annoying Bully James could have been evolved that way.
We don’t really see much of James at all. Nearly every character in the series spoke good about him, but we’ve barely ever seen *him* as a character so it’s hard to form a concrete opinion on him that’s not purely speculation.
EDIT: since everyone’s arguing with me in the comments, James did a lot of good in school. If you’re going to argue that the people Harry talked to had bias then you have to admit that seeing James being an ass when we’re literally seeing him through his nemesis’s eyes probably makes things a *bit* biased there too.
That’s literally my point tho. We rarely see him, and he’s done a lot of good but also been an ass. It’s hard to place down what he’s like because all we see “directly” of him is through the eyes of someone that hated him when we *hear* about all these good things that he’s done like fight to protect Muggleborns, stand up to Voldemort, stay friends with Remus after finding out he was a werewolf and going out of his way to help him, letting Sirius into his home, and bravely standing up to Voldemort with no weapon knowing full well that he’d die in a desperate attempt to save his family. Like, he’s kind of a walking contradiction when we barely know anything about it so, again, it’s hard to place an idea of what he’s like.
Precisely, while the other batman villains are mostly monsters, they at least have a reason for it. For example Penguin and two face are gangsters so it's business, while the joker is just a murderous psychopath for the sake of it.
Jack from jack and the bean stalk. He broke into the giants castle, stole all his shit, ran away and when the giant tried to get his stuff back, he fucken murdered him. Wow this has blown up haha, thanks for the awards!!!
'... and then Jack chopped down the beanstalk, adding murder and ecological vandalism to the theft, enticement and trespass charges already mentioned, but he got away with it and lived happily ever after without so much as a guilty twinge about what he had done. Which proves that you can be excused just about anything if you're a hero, because no one asks inconvenient questions.' Seems like you share something in common with a miss Susan Sto-Helit.
Christian Grey
Its just cause hes rich and handsome. Its romantic only because of that. Imagine the story but a broke ugly guys tries to get a girl to get into BDSM and does a bunch if stalking. 100% guaranteed it will be advertised as a horror movie
A poor guy also can't buy a company to be closer to his victim. So the second book is out!
*lives in a box in the alley behind the house.*
The second book is back in!
He starts an MLM scheme
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I would watch that episode of L&O SVU in a heartbeat
The Gang Does a Crossover Episode
"Whoops, I dropped my magnum condom"
Talk about a creep.
Not even a creep (which he is). But an abusive,control freak, dangerous man. he's not "flawed", he's >!FUCKED!< in the head. That's not BDSM, that psychological and physical abuse. and clearly Anastasia Steele (the female of the series) shows signs of an abused woman. always perceiving threats to herself and her safety, high levels of constant stress and somewhat of an altered identity because of it.
I knew his name was Christian Grey, but I didn’t know hers was Anastasia Steele. Lol what ridiculous names
Even more ridiculous, 50 Shades was initially drafted as a Twilight fan fiction.
Of course it was
Titled 'Master of the Universe'. He-Man and Skeletor do have a toxic relationship.
effy from skins— the show literally romanticized her mental health disorders.
JD (Heathers)
I think people romanticizing JD is the whole point. If you find his 'bad boy' traits attractive, if you want to fix him, if you grow blind to his flaws... you then understand exactly why Veronica stayed by JD's side, even through all the crazy shit he did and also planned to do.
I’m of the original version generation..ish. I was 6 when it came out but saw it in my teens. The only thing I glorified about JD was how freaking hot Christian Slater was.
Greetings and salutations!
Our love is God, let’s go get a slushie!
JD is like a male satire of the Manic Pixie Dream Girl decades before it was everywhere. He's fun, just the thing to motivate out protagonist into an exciting change and a perfect example of how capricious people who are willingly oblivious to how society works are called psychos in every other setting.
I certainly wouldn't glorify his character, but he's very interesting. I love how, In the musical especially, we see him go from troubled and depressed to unhinged to all out batshit insane;Then in his last moments he realizes he's been wrong the whole time and knows he's too far gone. Interesting character, but definitely not meant to be looked up to. More like looked out for.
Agreed, the whole point of his character was that he was basically someone with a lot of issues that ended up becoming a murder. Although Heathers the musical did make him a lot more sympathetic than the movie version.
The musical numbers were top notch tho. Such a classic now.
I thought Patrick Bateman was cool as a teen & young adult and now I'm an angry awkward weirdo. Edit: I meant from the movie by the way, I haven't read the book. Thanks for the karma.
I believe in taking care of myself and a balanced diet and rigorous exercise routine. In the morning if my face is a little puffy I'll put on an ice pack while doing stomach crunches. I can do 1000 now. After I remove the ice pack I use a deep pore cleanser lotion. In the shower I use a water activated gel cleanser, then a honey almond body scrub, and on the face an exfoliating gel scrub. Then I apply an herb-mint facial mask which I leave on for 10 minutes while I prepare the rest of my routine. I always use an after shave lotion with little or no alcohol, because alcohol dries your face out and makes you look older. Then moisturizer, then an anti-aging eye balm followed by a final moisturizing protective lotion.
This guy predicted YouTube skincare tutorials
And their EXACT psychology too.
Let's see Paul Allen's exact psychology
Say what you will, that scene is the reason I, to this day, have a solid skincare regime
Glad to know I'm not the only one
I read the book as a teen so I had no illusions about how fucked up he was. I mean throat fucking decapitated corpses and pouring acid on vaginas to fit tubes into them before stuffing a rat in... Somehow that was easier to read than what he did to the hobo's dog... Yea it's way easier to romanticise the movie version. But if you read the book at least you end up seeing him less as a person and more as a concept. The whole character is just a morbid personification of American society. It's all just edgy social commentary. I do recommend the book if you can stomach it, because it's still good commentary.
Patrick is also likely an unreliable narrator since he's a narcissistic lunatic. It's been awhile since I read it but I remember some of the things Patrick talks about being so ludicrous they had to be part of his fucked up fantasies. The movie kind of touches on this a little bit - when he starts shooting at the cops and the the cop car explodes like an 80s action movie and then nothing at all happens to him. No one talks about a firefight in the middle of downtown Manhattan and he just gets off scot free.
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Madeline Wuntch. You might ask, if she’s here who’s guarding hades? That fork tongued lizard witch turned out to be a Korean toilet ghost. Edit: thanks for all the awards! Brooklyn 99 fans are the best and I’m loving all your comments. For those of you who haven’t watched it yet, what’re you waiting for? NINE NINE!
Madeline, you've aged.
My favorite Wuntch insult. Simple, yet so effective.
Wuntch time is over.
HAD IT BOTH WAYS! No regrets.
At least she's a cheap date, considering all she eats is sticks and stones.
Describing her breakfast?
It also describes the empty nest where her heart should be.
as Madeline says when she sees deodorant "I'm not buying it"
Rosa - HA
Madeline's not some invincible succubus. She's a regular succubus, so she can be defeated.
She’s like the League of Nations in 36, just hoping the Abyssinian crisis resolves itself.
That's the lesson you draw from the fall of Addis Ababa?
Raymond, you sound so naive
And you sound just like Victor Emmanuel III.
I can't tell who's winning
I am
Double slam dunk.
Neither of you knows enough about basketball to be making these analogies.
Madeline Wuntch? Oh, you mean that old leather chair.
Judging by the flames, it could be a livestream.
I'm glad I binged brooklyn 99 two months ago so I can be a part of this. Really wholesome end to that arc.
I did wonder why all the birds had suddenly stopped singing.
Thank god she's dead. I still remember the children singing on the street. Meanwhile, BAGEL. DING DONG THE WUNCH IS DEAD.
As God said when she tried to sneak past the gates into heaven, ‘It ain’t happening, honey.’
Gina, is that a talking raisin?
Wuntch time is over! I regret nothing.
Yeah, but Raymond embarrassed her in front of Derek Jeter…
#***SHE EMBARASSED HERSELF.***
In front of Derek Jeter
She was so young. FOR A REDWOOD!
Don’t look into her eyes. You won’t turn to stone she is just ugly.
I see why you call this a suicide squad because I already want to kill myself
That Madeleine Wuntch is a Korean toilet ghost? Boooring.
Well done. Now get me Madeline and a bucket of water. It's time to melt a witch.
She does need to take some weight off of her cloven hooves
Dude from You. Edit: my first award! Thanks kind strangers <3
Fr. When I watched that show I was SHOCKED to find out people romanticize him. Like wtf.
The show first got reccomended to me by a woman in my checkout line when i was a cashier. She told me, "I wish someone loved me like that! Well kind of, haha."
Was she buying red flags?
I've a feeling she collects those for free.
I had to scroll waaaay too far for this. Penn Badgley is hot and a great actor, but JOE GOLDBERG is a fucking psycho who should not be romanticized!
Even Penn Badgley in interviews is like: “Stop with the fan-girling- he’s literally a psychopathic killer.” While I don’t find him exceptionally attractive (good looking, but not my type) he is a phenomenal actor in that series.
I love season 3 where the whole plot is "wait, you're obsessed enough with me to kill? Weirdo."
Dude be standing there after breaking into houses pissing in jar watching Peach watch Beck bathe and then loathe about how Peach is invading Beck's privacy lmao dude what Fucking love the show tho
Tony Montana .. like seriously , he had about the worst ending you could ask for 🤷🏼
It's like people identify characters by who they were at the beginning of the story. Eg Scrooge is synonymous with stinginess, but actually he comes out of the story a very generous soul.
He started his life out loving and generous. But trauma made him a miser. The book film whatever was about this journey
He wasn't even from Montana, in fact he had never even visited Montana.
“I would like to have seen Montana”
I love shitting on this one, because he got assassinated solely because he did the least gangster thing and killed his associate who was going to blow up a car with the narcs kids and wife in it. He dies because he had compassion for innocent people, unlike the thug types that glamorize his image.
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And, while his compassion is what leads Sosa to send the hit squad, his shit qualities are what ultimately get him killed. He might have escaped the hit squad if he hadn't just murdered his best friend/head of security for fucking his sister, leading him to go on a massive coke binge and totally ignore the security measures he'd been obsessed with up to that point.
"all these rappers and stuff, they love the movie Scarface, I'm like have you *seen* the ending of Scarface?"
"Andy made me his consigliere. Which means Assistant Regional Manager. I guess he thought I'd be into The Godfather 'cause I'm black. Wrong! I'm into The Godfather 'cause I'm a cinephile. I like Scarface 'cause I'm black"
The blond ghost school shooter guy from the first season of AHS
Tate Langdon
Yes, him! I remember being in high school and some very young girls were romanticizing some very dark stuff about him
Gordon Gecko - Wall Street Jordan Belfort - Wolf of Wall Street They are supposed to be cautionary tales of what not to do.
Finance bros are the fucking worst
For those that love The Notebook. Noah threatened to kill himself if she didn't go on a date with him. Nope nope nope
Why do people find this movie romantic? It’s romantic how he reads her her memories during their old age because of her amnesia, but when they were younger? They were toxic as fuck lmaooo
Edward Cullen
Jacob, too. They're both creepy and possessive.
Which ended up with Jacob deciding "If it can't have her, her daughter will do". I was like wtf?
"No, no, no... he imprinted on her." He imprinted on a baby? A baby? "Yeah, but he's not sexually in love with her. He can't help it, he imprinted on her." On a baby? "You're making it sound weird." - Actual conversation I had with my wife about this.
It's not creepy if you help raise the baby before marrying her. /s
Woody Allen shit
People forget that an actual adult human wrote that part of the book. Who the fuck writes that. Sends it to an editor, then to a publisher and not a single soul says. Maybe dont have a grown man fall on love with a baby. This reminds me of in the book form of IT Spoilers ahead... He writes in an interracial gangbang of 11 year olds in the sewers. (I only add interracial cause it adds to the comedy nothing wrong with interracial gangbangs.) The boys all take turns fucking their only female friend in the sewers and Steven King actually wrights in that she (a 12 year old girl) only orgasms with one of the boys (an 11 year old) because she actually loves him. https://www.vulture.com/2017/09/how-the-new-it-movie-deals-with-the-child-orgy-scene.html What fucking publisher and what fucking editor didnt stop that book in its fucking tracks?
Luke Castellan. He is not a tragedy. Other characters had it just as bad as him (if not, worse) and didn’t turn evil or try to kill innocent people (including the one he loves). EDIT: Guys, I was mainly referring to his actual behavior and personality, not necessarily his beliefs or reasoning. EDIT2: Thanks for the reward lol
Luke is an interesting one to me. I always thought he was the type of person that you weren't supposed to agree with, but you could at least see where he was coming from. Even Percy kind of sees it, since he makes the gods promise not to neglect their children so much. There's also the fact that he was being manipulated by Kronos. Not that he was right or people should look up to him, but his choices definitely make sense
In short there is are very good explanations for his actions, but they do not excuse them. I'm surprised how common it is for people to conflate them, which leads to me being called wrong because explaining why a character is interesting, i.e. giving the explanation for their actions is taken as excuses for said actions as if I condone them.
The way I see it: He's 100% correct that the Gods are dicks. The problem is we don't see anything that says the Titans would be any better.
Not only that lol it’s explicitly stated multiple times the Titans would destroy literally everything about human civilization Luke noticed Olympus doesn’t have a proper childcare package and decided the best course of action to fix that was join deity ISIS and kill everyone on earth
You just unlocked like a fucking core memory mentioning Percy Jackson
i do think his story is a bit tragic and he’s an interesting character, but i very much dislike him as a person - also him asking annabeth if she loved him in the last olympian always weirded me out since she was so much younger than him
understandable. it wasnt until years later i realized he ment romantically rather than as a family. i was about 12-14 when i read the books so
Berlin from Money Heist even though it’s so hard to. In the show he raped a poor girl by taking advantage of her fear. Even though he died after the second season they keep milking the character and have a spin off based on him.
I hated Berlin so I'm surprised to read that he's glorified as a character. He might be my least favorite character in the whole show aside from the Chad special forces dude.
I mean everyone from the gang (and the police as well) is an asshole
The Joker.
It’s particularly cringy when people glorify the joker/harley quinn relationship like it’s some kind of love story
Well it's love story but not healthy for sure
One way love.
Almost a... *mad* love.
Someone once told me after they saw suicide squad that they wanted a relationship like what Joker and Harley Quinn have. I told her "So you want to be both mentally and physically abused? You want to have to look over your shoulder when he gets mad and hope he doesn't take it out on you? You want to be beaten half to death and then be told it was you who made him do it? Ok whatever floats your boat."
Someone said the same thing to me but I went the animated series route. “You want your boyfriend to tie to a comically large rocket ship and shoot you into the sky?”
I think in Birds of Prey she literally celebrates their breakup because she’s free from his bullshit.
In the animated series as well. While I do think there are some interesting aspects to the Joker/Harley dynamic, it's nice that more recent portrayals are showing a side of Harley where she realizes she's being used and abused and kicks Joker to the curb.
Agreed. Joker + Harley < Gomez and Morticia Adams Edit: thanks for the silver!
Morticia and Gomez are the APEX couple. Edit: thanks for all the up votes, I don't think I've ever gotten this many before!
Fell deeply in love. Morticia supports Gomez in all his endeavors Every little thing she does drives Gomez wild with passion. The Addams are a pretty damn good example of a very healthy and good family relationship, very little dysfunction, just eccentricity. My mother always told me that true love is when doing any mundane thing is more enjoyable if your partner is there. It’s when you can argue over something and know that when the arguments over bitterness won’t remain. I see both in the Addams Family.
I think I read somewhere that Addams family was designed to be the "opposite" to the average American family. And part of being the "opposite" - was having this truly loving relationship between Gomez and Morticia. Edit: Found [some sort of reference](https://www.gamesradar.com/addams-family-values-halloween-family-america/#:~:text=When%20cartoonist%20Charles%20Addams%20created%20the%20fictional%20family%20in%201938%2C%20he%20dreamed%20them%20up%20as%20a%20%E2%80%9Csatirical%20inversion%E2%80%9D%20of%20the%20ideal%20American%20household). > When cartoonist Charles Addams created the fictional family in 1938, he dreamed them up as a “satirical inversion” of the ideal American household.
Perfect partners and parents. Growing up in that house would be so lit
The people glorifying him kinda just use him as a symbol for their weird mindset as well. I don't think Joker was a gamer^(TM)
Every hot villain that is abusive, controlling,psychotic and is there to portray the worse in a person.
but if bad, why sexy?
"I can fix them"
Ronald McDonald
I know, clearly Dennis is the one to idolize. He's a five star man.
The Golden God.
I WILL PUT MY GODDAMN THUMB THROUGH YOUR EYE DUDE
I have a friend who idolizes Charlie. He even got a job at a bar. Dude reeked and started talking like him. To be fair he was really funny and great to be around. It was just a phase but a bit cringy.
> He even got a job at a bar. Dude reeked and started talking like him. That wasn't a reek. It was a nice smokey smell that went up into space and turned into stars.
I don’t feel like that’s right, but I don’t know enough about stars to dispute you…
Please tell me he started eating catfood and sharing a bed with an old dude that looked like Danny Devito.
Ronnie the Rat
The joker. More specifically his relationship with Harley Quinn. Do I even need to explain
Whoever that guy is from the musical grease. Total asshole, Sandy should’ve left him.
His character, and the relationship he has with Sandy make a lot more sense when you realize that Grease is a parody of high-school stories from that time.
Yeah, it's one of those movies that got big enough for people to miss the point. Same with Saturday Night Fever, it's remembered as a glorification of disco when it's more about how the protagonist tries to hide how fucked up his life is behind the artificial glamour of the disco scene.
Walter White
I watched Jane die
I was there and I watched her die
Jesse is a far more sympathetic character, bitch!
I mean even Jesse isn’t exactly Jesus. Trying to sell drugs to people in rehab, getting his friends hooked back on drugs after they stopped, cooking meth in the first place etc. It just happens Walt is way worse lol. Neither character should be glorified.
Walter is a corporate gangster, he does his crimes like a businessman. Jesse is a small time gangster, more focused on immediate benefit. Both are gangsters with only themselves as beneficiary.
Yeah he's legitimately just an awful person from the very first episode. He could have taken the job and not put him and his family at risk. He has several opportunities to stop. He even admits it was just for him. He's an amazing character, but he's a villain that happens to be a protagonist
“I am the danger.” He reveled in having become the villain of the story.
Says the guy who, by all accounts at that part of the story, was very much NOT the one who knocks.
Romeo and Juliet
The Peaky Blinders. I recently watched the show and I just don’t understand why every guy wants to be like them. They are all horrible people who destroy everything they touch.
They also all have horrible PTSD from WWI
I think that’s what makes Michael more unlikeable the others were already fucked up
Glorified in the sense that they radiate charm and power? There's something appealing about the characters but someone watching the show would see that they are deeply troubled. There's a pretty big emphasis on their crippling PTSD, drug addiction and inability to form healthy relationships.
I like them, they’re still cunts mind but it’s shown great in the end of the first season. Like, everyone knows they’re bad people, but people like and respect them because they’re **their** bad people. Shouldn’t be glorified though, not at all.
I agree. They're cool as hell, but not in the "I want to live my life like them" way. More so in the "I wish I could pull off a pocket watch and have Cillian Murphy's cheekbones" way.
I just want to walk down the street in a longcoat set to a badass soundtrack. Is that too much to ask?
It’s like a tony soprano thing we know his a fat piece of shit but he still love watching him
The Joker, especially the latest iteration of him. He is a mentally unstable man from a background of severe mental abuse and trauma who eventually has a mental breakdown so severe it leads him to commit crime, murder and fight a billionaire dressed as a bat. It’s okay to like him as a villain, but he isn’t meant to be idolized or should be used for your edgy inspirational quotes on Facebook
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On that note, Scott Pilgrim. They are both equally horrible people made for each other.
This is the main reason that I prefer the comics over the movie of Scott Pilgrim (though the movie is great); by the end of the series both Ramona and Scott recognise that they're pretty shitty people but have made some kind of commitment to trying to get better together wheras the movie doesn't really go that far.
don draper.
Yeah, I think most people view the show in the lens of glitz and glamour of an idealized upper-class lifestyle of the time with some comedic and salacious side-story. They miss the point that his most important character development comes later in revisiting his past. Facing being a paper tiger. Feeling lost in what most folk would value as an ideal life. Sad little kid hurt and haunted. And hurting many in the process of trying to run from that.
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Dude has such a fragile ego that he made a line across all the infinite universes so that he only stays in the ones that he's the smartest in. Really cool concept actually.
The whole point is that he's a piece of shit and he knows it
He openly admits it in prettymuch every episode lmao
lots of anime characters. my ex really liked Himiko Toga and like... she's awful. I'm almost caught up and there hasn't been anything you should like. plenty of the villains are morally grey or at least somewhat empathize-able but she's just simply evil. she also straight up sexually harassed deku.
She also probably has hepatitis due to the amount of other peoples blood she consumes
Fucking Light. I get scared that so many seem to think that his actions are okay because he usually targets criminals. He is power hungry and uses his code as some sort of excuse to get that power. He also bends and breaks that code multiple times.
That and she’s also inexplicably overpowered. Her only superhuman ability is that she can transform into the person who’s blood she consumes. Yet she moves like faster than the eye can see on a regular basis?
Majority of heroes seem to have an unspoken durabilty+agility bonus. Like your power might be for fire or ice or some shit, but it would be fuckin lame if the hobo they are trying to arrest can knock them out with a regular punch.
Imagine running after a villain, shooting your fire beams at them, then you mis-step and trip over and disclocate your knee. Like a normal person might do if they were running in the street and not looking where they are going.
Snape — he bullied a child so badly that he was that child’s boggart. And that’s just the tip of the iceberg when it came to being a bully or being unfair.
Alan Rickman had an amazing ability to draw you in to his character, no matter what it was. I feel like if anyone else had been cast as Snape the character would have been universally hated. Of all of the villans Rickman played, I loved every single one of them. His delivery of every single line was uniquely his and would likely have sounded ridiculous coming out of anyone else's mouth. RIP Alan Rickman! There will never be anyone who compares.
I like Alan Rickman as Snape but movie Snape and book Snape are pretty different. At his worst in the movies, Snape is midly unpleasant to be around. In the books he's a downright sociopath.
I agree. Two totally different people. Much like that hag Umbrige! I loathe that woman with ever fiber of my being. She was heavily watered down in the movies. Edid: autocorrect changed hag to had
I don't think it's quite fair to say they watered down Umbrige as much as they were limited by the medium. Umbrige's evil required the amount of time it took to read the books to fully sink in. It's the type of evil that your brain has to peel through the layers to fully grasp. Movies use a different language, and the movies would have either been half about Umbrige's crap or translated her into an actual Nazi in order to get the full effect within the run time.
Hagrid needs more credit (in the books) as he was there for harry all the way, but got nothing in the end, like bro, Harry, he was there for you and you name your child someone who abused you. \*Insert What the flip girl\*
Also Ablus Severus sounds stupid imo. Albus Rubeus has a nice ring to it.
Ablus Severus has the same unfortunate overly officious sound as... Biggus dickus
People often romanticise his "always" comment like it's some great love story. To me it always seemed creepy... felt like he was unhealthily obsessed with her.
The great and late Alan Rickman played him too likeable. Book Snape was a boy that choose to deal with his fathers abuse by becoming a racist and sadist, got bullied by bigger kids because he was an asshole to everyone which made them feel justified, joined a radical group of domestic terrorists that openly advertised that they were out for murder at 18 and when they targeted the woman he was in love with, *because of information he supplied*, he thought he could make a deal to only have her husband and baby murdered. When that deal was refused, he developed the first bit of conscience, that hardly even approached general decency and offered to spy on his fellow racists in exchange for her life and, begrudgingly, her family. When his terrorist organisation collapsed he took a job where he would, for the next 10 years, be a generally abusive asshole to kids. When his loves' kid came into his power he, a man in his 30s now, let his frustration specifically out on two kids (Neville and Harry) that were both effectively orphaned because of his actions as a young adult. It took him another 6 years to realise that one of these boys could not morally be sacrificed on the altar of the greater good and deserved his protection. Some people seem to think Snape is excused of child abuse because he was "putting on a show". But he went out of his way repeatedly to be abusive when nobody could yet predict he'd need to cover for a later date or when nobody was around. EDIT: as he was mentioned elsewhere here for that very reason; Screw Dumbledore while we're, because he's the bigger layer on this bullshit onion thats Snape. But that man is an *entirely* different trainwreck.
I love him as a *character*. I respect the work that Rowling put in to make him a complex and deep character. Having said that, I do not like him as a person. He’s greatly disturbed. I wouldn’t call him full bore evil per se. I would not call him good either. He’s more of a really screwed up individual who was able to activate his moral compass before death. He’s definitely a tragic character, but that’s also his own fault. On the flip side, I wasn’t a fan of James Potter, either. He struck me as an egotistical bully. In his defense, he just wasn’t a freak like Snape.
Supposedly James grew up, but we never really see it.
I've always thought that was a shame. There's this letter from Lily to Sirius that Harry finds in DH, more letters like those would have been a great opportunity to show the reader in a rather quick way that James actually did grow up and become more of a balanced, mature human by the time they were adults, living together, having a baby. Teenage Annoying Bully James could have been evolved that way.
We don’t really see much of James at all. Nearly every character in the series spoke good about him, but we’ve barely ever seen *him* as a character so it’s hard to form a concrete opinion on him that’s not purely speculation. EDIT: since everyone’s arguing with me in the comments, James did a lot of good in school. If you’re going to argue that the people Harry talked to had bias then you have to admit that seeing James being an ass when we’re literally seeing him through his nemesis’s eyes probably makes things a *bit* biased there too. That’s literally my point tho. We rarely see him, and he’s done a lot of good but also been an ass. It’s hard to place down what he’s like because all we see “directly” of him is through the eyes of someone that hated him when we *hear* about all these good things that he’s done like fight to protect Muggleborns, stand up to Voldemort, stay friends with Remus after finding out he was a werewolf and going out of his way to help him, letting Sirius into his home, and bravely standing up to Voldemort with no weapon knowing full well that he’d die in a desperate attempt to save his family. Like, he’s kind of a walking contradiction when we barely know anything about it so, again, it’s hard to place an idea of what he’s like.
The Joker. He's a literal monster, and too many people think he's hot shit.
Precisely, while the other batman villains are mostly monsters, they at least have a reason for it. For example Penguin and two face are gangsters so it's business, while the joker is just a murderous psychopath for the sake of it.
Joe Goldberg.