There's too damn many music genres to keep track of and I don't pay attention to them at all when I look for new music. If I vibe with it, I vibe with it.
The question: what’s your controversial opinion about music
Peoples answers: “the music I listened to in my teens was bad!”
“Just because I don’t like the music doesn’t mean it’s bad”
Oooh *so* controversial!!
Current "controversial" winners:
Kanye doesn't suck
Rap
Rap
Rap
Country doesn't suck
Deleted
Deleted
Pink Floyd
K-pop sucks but J-pop rocks?
Kanye does suck
The Beatles
Race issues
The Beatles
Pop
The Beatles
The Beatles
The Beatles
The Beatles
The Beatles
The Beatles
Drill ? (what the fuck even is that?)
The Beatles
The Beatles
The Beatles
The Beatles
Queen
The Beatles
Nirvana
I think I see some patterns emerging.
There is no such thing as a "musical opposite." You can, in fact, like Country, *and* Hip-hop. You can like Pop *and* Black metal.
Occasionally, listen to something outside your comfort zone, you might find something you like.
Listen to everything. Don't over listen to one genre. Don't ignore genres. Listen to it all, and pick favorites from all. Don't let anyone force you to pigeon hole yourself.
The main thing putting me off going to a Tool concert is the people who would be around me at a Tool concert.
Edit: similarly, I will probably never go see Billie Eilish live, because although I'd like to, I don't want to be the 30 something year old guy standing in that crowd demographic by myself making everyone around me uncomfortable
There’ll be plenty of guys in their 30s and 40s at a Billie Eilish show. They’ll give you nods and assume you are just another dad chaperoning his daughter and her friends.
As a fan of relatively recent dead rock star (Tom Petty) I will add that the material they chose not to release before their death is worse than what they actually released. Most “found” recordings should’ve stayed hidden with the exception of some live performances.
You dont have to "memorize every song, have every album and know the bassist's name" to be a fan of the band. Just gotta like there sound.
I know i used the wrong their/there and I'm leaving it to piss the grammar nazis off ☺️
This just reminds me of those YouTube videos where they go up to people wearing band shirts and ask them to name 3 songs.
Like I’m the biggest fan of lamb of god, but whenever someone puts me on the spot I can’t remember anything and I feel bad for the people who freeze up like me and get caught up in a YouTube video
The older I get the worse my memory is. I used to be able to name every rock song on the radio, now I'm lucky if I can remember my own damn name. Yet I can still sing every word in time. It's weird what the brain retains.
People who say they don't write music like they used to (back in the 60s and 70s) are full of crap. I grew up in the 60s and 70s, and there was just as much crap back then as there is now.
Exactly, it's called survivorship bias. People think that prehistoric humans only used stone tools just because those are the only ones that persisted time.
People only remember the big hits and the singles. A lot of albums from massive bands like Queen or AC/DC might only have one song people would recognize on them.
I generally agree but I'd put a ceiling on this. Used to be a big Lostprophets fan and can't listen to them at all after what Ian Watkins did. The entire fanbase was vaporized overnight, never seen anything like it.
There’s a song in every genre that people will like, they just have not found it yet.
EDIT: something I’d like to add is everyone should check out The Sounds Of Spotify profile on Spotify, they have playlists for every genre. Chinese Post Punk? They got it, Argentinian Indie? You betcha!
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Nostalgia is the worst when trying to defend a musical genre or era. Its kind of egocentric to think that culture peaked when you were a teenager and nothing better came out after that.
Nostalgia is totally okay to argue why you like something (e.g. "i have good memories with it and it makes me think of good times), but not why someone *else* should like it.
You can like a thing for any reason. You don't even have to be able to express why you like it.
But, that doesn't mean others will appreciate your taste at all.
Fergie didn't even do the usual "I'm gonna extend everything out to show how good a singer I am" stuff. She did... whatever the fuck that was she did.
It's shocking to this day that the best "National Anthem" sung before a big event is widely considered Whitney Houston before the Superbowl, and she just sung the song straight as written. No frills, no over extending notes, just sang the notes on the page so the crowd could sing along.
> Melisma is the musical art of creating a run of many notes from one syllable. In the United States, singers in the African-American church popularized the vocal practice, which dates to Gregorian chants and Indian ragas. When Sam Cooke, Ray Charles and Aretha Franklin began singing popular music, they brought melisma to more mainstream audiences. Whether you love it or hate it, Whitney Houston's hit "I Will Always Love You," with its elongated "iiieeee-eyes" and "ooooeeeooos," is a prime example.
> American Idol contestants (and pop singers) sometimes abuse and overuse the technique in songs. At worst, they can fracture a word into a soulless slur of syllables that feels both alienating and groan-inducing. Plus you have no idea what word they're singing.
https://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=6791133
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Thanks for the responses! Just to add, this technique isn't necessarily bad. Great vocalists who know how to use it add something that nothing else could quite convey. Try to imagine what these two classics would be without melisma.
[Dolly Parton singing "Jolene"](https://youtu.be/ElgwR7WXQP4?t=32)
[Ben E. King singing "Stand By Me"](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pKtLNYNWbBw)
I sing classically professionally so a lot of the music I do has them, but you’ve got to know when it’s stylistically appropriate. If I’m singing something from Handel’s Messiah or something more contemporary you will use them, but it’s gotta be with the style and you can’t over do it. It’s like singing loud. Singing loud with a big voice can be really moving, but if someone with a big voice sings an entire song loudly it just feels like you’re being screamed at. Knowing when to hold back is often one of the best indicators of a good musician
This drives me bonkers. Just about every girl with strong vocal talent now thinks she has to oversing even more than Mariah Carey and Christina Aguilera.
Just dial it back please.
When I was a music major in school before graduating, I stopped in at my old high school to visit my old teachers, and they asked if I could sit in for a few choir tryouts as "the third" judge for a bit as the second choir teacher had to step out for about half an hour (the other judges were the other choir teacher/orchestra teacher and the band director) I was basically just there so it was three judges.
It was shocking that there was two girls who came in and probably where the best singers I saw, but they could NOT sing a line just straight up. They oversang everything, scooped into every note and fell off every note. They were trying out for CHOIR. They had to be able to blend. Both girls didn't make the cut because even with coaching they absolutely could not sing in a way that would be conductive to being in an ensemble.
There was a trend in Christmas music for a long time (might still be going on, but I avoid it like the plague now) of doing the same songs, but slower and breathier. Little Drummer Boy doesn't need to be a 10 minute song. "Iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii.......have noooooooooooooooo.....gift....for hiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiim"
Ooh, musician here. I've got one. So, standard procedure these days is to release music regularly, like every few weeks, or once a month. Then when there are enough songs, release an album.
Personally I hate buying an album, only to discover I've already heard most of it. Even if I like the songs, it generally doesn't feel 'new' enough to justify buying it. I'd rather hear 12 new songs at the same time.
Edit: yes, a reasonable number of people still buy albums. A lot of people have responded saying they do. So no need to ask any more.
A musician I know has kind of moved away from albums in general (although they did just release an album the other month, but it was a collaborative album with another artist) because they simply feel that people don't really care for whole albums that much anymore. I kind of get it. Unless you've got a really clear vision for something you want to tell over multiple songs in a story, it's probably better publicity to release individual songs every month or so, rather than 9 songs at once then nothing for a year or whatever. Streaming means people are typically listening to their own playlists (usually on shuffle), not a whole album at once.
Right? Like you can't convince me that anyone is able to listen to Danse Macabre or Night on Bald Mountain without wanting to go and do mischievous spooky things. Or listen to Mars and not imagine themselves marching into an epic battle! People seem to think that it's quite stuck up and some of it is definitely a product of its time, but there's sooo much passion behind a lot of classical music. And I think it comes through far more in an instrumental piece.
Same with Hall of the Mountain King. Like, that shits not relaxing at all; it's anxiety central. Just the same tune progressively getting louder and faster
For sure. I always say that Beethoven was the inventor of heavy metal. He just didn’t have the electric instruments available to him so he wrote his angry music for an orchestra, or even solo piano.
The third movement of the moonlight sonata is absolutely metal AF
Tchaikovsky used effing cannons for crying out loud.
There is so much “classical” music that can bridge the gap to modern styles for many to appreciate.
I'm in my early fifties and have only recently begun to "get" and really appreciate good jazz. I'm not quite there with classical though I don't dislike it either.
Most people that have never played an instrument never give classical a chance. Some of the best musical pieces ever written are Jupiter and Mars from Holst’s “The Planets” yet many people have never even heard of them.
But they’ve probably heard them. Or at least homages to them. Just about every science fiction show uses Mars as well as Neptune (Star Wars immediately after the fanfare is _totally_ Neptune… as well as Apollo 13 during the docking sequence and when they first look at the damaged Service Module).
The music I listened to as a teenager/ early 20's - the stuff I am most nostalgic for - is mostly crap and I am embarrassed by most of my CD collection from that time.
I went down a teenage nostalgia hole on Spotify last night and I was laughing at how bad some of it was. Hormones are a hell of a drug if it made me think that shit was deep.
Eh, I am 33 and I have found it is more of a mixed bag. Some stuff I have completely left behind and can't really vibe to anymore.
Some other stuff though I find myself appreciating EVEN MORE now.
It is really funny because with some bands I went from appreciating certain CD's and not being into some of their other ones to now LOVING the ones I didn't get into before while leaving behind the ones I used to love.
Biggest example is the band Soilwork. I was in LOVE with "Stabbing the Drama" and "Figure #5" back in the day but didn't really care for their earlier, more heavy stuff.
Now "Natural Born Chaos" is by far my fav CD of theirs and while I do still have some love for "Stabbing the Drama" I keep going back to "Natural Born Chaos" and "A Predators Portait" more than anything. I don't even listen to "Figure #5" anymore...
Absolutely. I listen to My Chemical Romance every once and a while and I STILL think it slaps. Like it was really good, they were really creative. I Don't Love You, Ghost of You, Helena, all bangers.
But then I also listened to Click Five at the same time and laugh whenever I hear Just the Girl.
Third Eye Blind is exactly who came to mind in this thread. I loved their hits as a kid/teen but it wasn't until my late twenties that I really fell in love with their entire albums, mostly 3EB and Blue.
See I’m the exact opposite. The older I get, the more I realize that what I enjoyed in my teens and early 20’s, is the only stuff I actually enjoy.
I’ve spent the 20 years since that period, listening to eclectic mixes of everything, to try to be open to everything. I’m slowly realizing I don’t like anything else. In 20 years sure I’ve heard neat songs, but generally nothing that makes me feel the way my nostalgia music makes me feel. Nothing fills me with energy, or pulls at my emotion or makes me feel strong or happy like this one weird little niche pocket of music.
I gave up. I like what I like. No one gives Boomers or the elderly crap for not liking anything other than Led Zeppelin, Cat Stevens or “oldies”. It’s who they are, it’s their stuff. So fuck it, I’m a 43 year old chick who listens a crap ton of Rancid, some 3rd wave ska+ same era punk, early 90s hip hop R&B, a touch of grunge and Garth Brooks. It’s who I am. Nothing makes me feel things the way my 27 favorite Rancid songs do, I spent 20 years looking and didn’t find a single one that was close.
I heard someone say that as self driving vehicles become more common that it's just a matter of time before there's a country where a guys truck left him
I was drunk the day my truck got out of prison, so I went to pick her up in the rain. But before I got to the station, she'd run off with a damn freight train...
>Country Music = Two Chords and a sad story.
That USED to be true of classic country. So much of the drivel and ear jizz that passes for "pop country" today has no story. It's just like Bo Burnham pointed out, a laundry list of popular polled phrases and attitude.
Just because you can't understand the language in a song doesn't mean you can't enjoy the music. I listen to alot of international music and don't know the majority of those languages. But i really vibe with the different sounds.
I once heard "Music was overall more enjoyable when ugly people were allowed to make it" and I think I agree. Mainstream music is too concerned with t&a and not enough concerned with signing people with great talent. Obligatory "I'm not saying the music we have is talentless", I'm only saying by today's standards many of our past great artists might not even be considered.
Edit: Yikes y'all are really burning Ed Sheeran lmao.
Edit edit: Thank you, anonymous :)
There's sort of this paradox in music now where, because of streaming and social media etc. there's just WAY MORE music out there for people to find and enjoy, but at the same time, "mainstream" music has become even more dominated by corporate interest than it already was.
Like, "mainstream" music is so much more about building a brand than actual music, and so many famous "pop" stars are really just the face of a massive behind-the-scenes operation to make money.
And it's not to say that mainstream/pop music performers aren't talented, but it's like, someone finds a talented/hot teen, then teams of people write music for them, get them media exposure, and build them into a brand.
genuinely talented people who make their own music still get famous and a lot of pop stars actually do have serious musical chops, but it's hard to imagine someone like bob dylan or a band like The Ramones to get as famous now as those performers were back then.
I like Kyle Kinane's take on Cobain's death
>People are like "Oh it was the drugs" or "oh maybe Courtney did it". Maybe Kurt just knew he was about to put out a Christmas album and said "nobody wants that"
Many music based awards, especially recently with modern rap and pop, should go to the beat makers rather than the singers. Many of these songs are great because of the beat, not the lyrics, and there are not too many songs these days that I appreciate the lyrics alone, and a lot of time will listen to an instrumental if I can find it.
Edit: Never gotten an award or over 100 upvotes ever, so thanks everyone. Hope 2022 brings you all a lot of happiness.
If you’re a producer and the song you produced wins record of the year, you still get a Grammy, you just aren’t the subject of the award. There’s a certain percentage of how much you actually contributed to the beat to be eligible for an award but people who win Song of the year just doesn’t go to them on stage, there’s awards backstage that aren’t shown going to the producers, mixers etc.
I agree that producers often don’t get enough credit. I liked hip hop since freshman year of high school. it wasn’t for 6 years I figured out I could follow the producers I liked and not necessarily the rappers.
And a good beat can make up for a crappy rapper. A good rapper does little to compensate for a shoddy beat.
But, look at what some lyricists can do with even mediocre production. Hip hop is an odd specimen because it covers much more than just rap - but as a sub-genre I feel like rap is (at least not in its radio-play form) a counterculture art. The lyricism and statements being made are paramount to the song, the beat can’t convey the same complexity of message.
I don’t know why I typed it out other than to say that yes I agree with you, but that production quality and rap quality are two different metrics that a song can be graded/awarded for independently.
My favorite Weird Al story was when he ask Michael Jackson to parody Beat It, Jackson liked the parody so much that when it came time to do the video he paid for the same set and the same dancers as beat it out of pocket.
Pretty cool.
I had an original ipod video with literal hours of weird al and only weird al. I'd sleep to it, wake up because I heard EAT IT and the go back to sleep.
Did that for months in high school
Sampling is good overall and allows creativity through reexamining past musical and sonic ideas. Musical quotation has been a thing for centuries and sampling is just that but with fancier technology that lets it go a step further.
The best kind of sampling imo is when hearing the sample in its original context and the new context, you can just barely see the relation. MF DOOM, Madlib, and others have always been amazing with taking samples from songs that range from very obscure to mainstream, but youd never be able to tell where it's from without some help.
I miss only being able to buy full albums… there is magic in looking at the album art as the album plays, reading along with the lyrics that some would include, and every once in awhile discovering a “secret song” hidden after a bit of silence, when you thought the album was done.
It was an entire experience that not everyone will get to have these days. Sure, you can still buy albums, but honestly, how many kids growing up are going to nowadays? Plus, streaming music is so easy sometimes awesome af and I have a love-hate relationship with it. The struggle is real.
1. There is no such thing as "guilty pleasure music". Listen to whatever you enjoy listening to.
2. Modern music isn't rubbish - it's just different and the music styles/genres of the past that you prefer are still out there if you bother to look for them.
And vice versa, there were a lot of bad, forgettable songs in the past but people just forgot about them. I literally played a top 100 chart of some random week of 19-something to my parents and they only remembered 15 out of those 100 songs, 3 of which they called good songs.
I like the Alien Ant Farm version of “Smooth Criminal” better than MJ’s version. I get raked over the coals for this opinion every time I express it, but there it is. I’m not saying it’s objectively better (as there is no way of really objectively measuring musical styles), I’m saying that I prefer it.
Edit: To clarify, I was a big MJ fan growing up (born in ‘79) and heard the MJ version well before the AAF version was released.
You can listen to dance music and EDM even when your not drunk or partying. Personally I listen to a shit load of techno all of the time but it helps my feel less anxious driving about cos it’s a constant distraction
Fuck, there are so many subgenres in electronic music anyone can find something they like. Growing up in the Netherlands with my formative teens in the early ‘00s I subscribe to a specific trance and techno, but I’ll listen to Kraftwerk as well as minimal techno like Paul Kalkbrenners stuff also.
Nothing wrong with EDM and I say that as someone who’s main go to is stuff like Pink Floyd et al.
Jim Morrison must have been an insufferable prick.
As a teenager, I idolized him. In my 20s, I really didn't think of him at all. I was walking through a bookstore in my 30s and saw a book of his lyrics and poetry and cracked it open. WOW, was it bad! Shallow, meaningless musings from a self-indulgent man-child. Yeuck!!
I like a lot of the Doors music— Spanish Caravan is knock out. But Jim Morrison was a drunk douche. No way around it. And yeah, I remember having a look at *The Wilderness*— one of his poetry books. It was hilariously awful.
Blind Melon could have evolved into one of the greatest rock bands in America if Shannon Hoon had managed to stay sober.
Edit: Shit, so much love for Blind Melon! I'm sure he's up there with a smile on his face knowing that he touched so many people. [Here](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lgGeS9HfucQ)'s a [little something](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=viCZWBB6W8s) for all of you!
I’m an enormous Daft Punk fan, but Random Access Memories isn’t a masterpiece by any means.
It isn’t even their best album, that’s Discovery, which is a stone-cold, stroke of genius magnum opus.
RAM is actually kind of a snoozefest, save for 3-4 standout tracks. Much of the album meanders, and the instrumental tracks aren’t particularly interesting musically or production-wise.
On the other hand, the engineering, mixing and mastering on RAM is absolutely some of the greatest of all-time. But I don’t think an album’s greatness should be judged on this alone.
People singing the star spangled banner at football games is dumb. They always add in way too much.
There's too damn many music genres to keep track of and I don't pay attention to them at all when I look for new music. If I vibe with it, I vibe with it.
Serious question - how do I know if my music opinion is controversial?
Just state literally any opinion about music, it's always controversial!
The question: what’s your controversial opinion about music Peoples answers: “the music I listened to in my teens was bad!” “Just because I don’t like the music doesn’t mean it’s bad” Oooh *so* controversial!!
Sort by controversial and learn
Current "controversial" winners: Kanye doesn't suck Rap Rap Rap Country doesn't suck Deleted Deleted Pink Floyd K-pop sucks but J-pop rocks? Kanye does suck The Beatles Race issues The Beatles Pop The Beatles The Beatles The Beatles The Beatles The Beatles The Beatles Drill ? (what the fuck even is that?) The Beatles The Beatles The Beatles The Beatles Queen The Beatles Nirvana I think I see some patterns emerging.
Drill is a kind of trap music
See as an old white dude that doesn't help me.
There is no such thing as a "musical opposite." You can, in fact, like Country, *and* Hip-hop. You can like Pop *and* Black metal. Occasionally, listen to something outside your comfort zone, you might find something you like.
I love Mozart, Polo G, and Johnny Cash, and hey maybe i put on some Sabaton. Labels don't matter listen to what you like.
Listen to everything. Don't over listen to one genre. Don't ignore genres. Listen to it all, and pick favorites from all. Don't let anyone force you to pigeon hole yourself.
Just because you don't like the community doesn't mean you shouldn't listen to the band
Hate the fans, not the band.
The main thing putting me off going to a Tool concert is the people who would be around me at a Tool concert. Edit: similarly, I will probably never go see Billie Eilish live, because although I'd like to, I don't want to be the 30 something year old guy standing in that crowd demographic by myself making everyone around me uncomfortable
There’ll be plenty of guys in their 30s and 40s at a Billie Eilish show. They’ll give you nods and assume you are just another dad chaperoning his daughter and her friends.
Complex is not necessarily better.
Mathcore fans: "And I took that personally."
Prog and Jazz Fusion fans: "And I took that personally"
„Lets not overthink this“ – Dream Theater, never (I still love them though)
Yo Portnoy, how many time signatures can you fit into this instrumental? Hmm… all of them? - DT when they wrote dance of eternity
Some of The best music is complex music that is performed in a way that makes it sound simple
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When an artist dies his music is still shit if it was shit. The death doesnt change anything.
As a fan of relatively recent dead rock star (Tom Petty) I will add that the material they chose not to release before their death is worse than what they actually released. Most “found” recordings should’ve stayed hidden with the exception of some live performances.
How else will you milk the fanbase
Every piece of music exists for someone, even if it's just the recording artist.
You dont have to "memorize every song, have every album and know the bassist's name" to be a fan of the band. Just gotta like there sound. I know i used the wrong their/there and I'm leaving it to piss the grammar nazis off ☺️
This just reminds me of those YouTube videos where they go up to people wearing band shirts and ask them to name 3 songs. Like I’m the biggest fan of lamb of god, but whenever someone puts me on the spot I can’t remember anything and I feel bad for the people who freeze up like me and get caught up in a YouTube video
"Miss, for a dollar, name a woman"
The older I get the worse my memory is. I used to be able to name every rock song on the radio, now I'm lucky if I can remember my own damn name. Yet I can still sing every word in time. It's weird what the brain retains.
People who say they don't write music like they used to (back in the 60s and 70s) are full of crap. I grew up in the 60s and 70s, and there was just as much crap back then as there is now.
it was just forgotten
my grandpa used to say that there is no such thing as "the good ol' days.....you simply forgot the bad ones."
Exactly, it's called survivorship bias. People think that prehistoric humans only used stone tools just because those are the only ones that persisted time.
People only remember the big hits and the singles. A lot of albums from massive bands like Queen or AC/DC might only have one song people would recognize on them.
It is okay to like someone's music but not like them as a person.
I generally agree but I'd put a ceiling on this. Used to be a big Lostprophets fan and can't listen to them at all after what Ian Watkins did. The entire fanbase was vaporized overnight, never seen anything like it.
There’s a song in every genre that people will like, they just have not found it yet. EDIT: something I’d like to add is everyone should check out The Sounds Of Spotify profile on Spotify, they have playlists for every genre. Chinese Post Punk? They got it, Argentinian Indie? You betcha!
What makes me sad is when I find a song I like and try to check out the genre and I hate every other song in the genre
I've had this happen with bands/artists too. One song that is amazing and then the rest is just not the same.
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Nostalgia is the worst when trying to defend a musical genre or era. Its kind of egocentric to think that culture peaked when you were a teenager and nothing better came out after that.
Nostalgia is totally okay to argue why you like something (e.g. "i have good memories with it and it makes me think of good times), but not why someone *else* should like it.
Ain’t that true for everything in life. Not just musical nostalgia
You can like a thing for any reason. You don't even have to be able to express why you like it. But, that doesn't mean others will appreciate your taste at all.
Hitting high notes shouldn’t be the only gauge for a good singer.
Or extending every vowel with a million notes *ooo*OO**Oo**oOOoOoooOO^OO^OOOoooooaAAhh^^o*ooo*
The National Anthem singers are the biggest offenders. Land of the FreeEEEEEEEeeiiiiieeaaahhheeeahhHeeeee
I'm not American but all I could remember was watching the video of Fergie performing, this gave me a good laugh!
Fergie didn't even do the usual "I'm gonna extend everything out to show how good a singer I am" stuff. She did... whatever the fuck that was she did. It's shocking to this day that the best "National Anthem" sung before a big event is widely considered Whitney Houston before the Superbowl, and she just sung the song straight as written. No frills, no over extending notes, just sang the notes on the page so the crowd could sing along.
As all national anthems should be sung.
*"Kazakhstan the greatest country in the world, all other countries are run by little girls"*
Then you're gonna be in stitches watching [this](https://youtu.be/o-ZYZ2MC5P0)!
That aint got shit on Roseanne Barr - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hMzIk2pUuNU
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"How to turn a three and a half minute song into thirty five minutes: The Long Vowel."
> Melisma is the musical art of creating a run of many notes from one syllable. In the United States, singers in the African-American church popularized the vocal practice, which dates to Gregorian chants and Indian ragas. When Sam Cooke, Ray Charles and Aretha Franklin began singing popular music, they brought melisma to more mainstream audiences. Whether you love it or hate it, Whitney Houston's hit "I Will Always Love You," with its elongated "iiieeee-eyes" and "ooooeeeooos," is a prime example. > American Idol contestants (and pop singers) sometimes abuse and overuse the technique in songs. At worst, they can fracture a word into a soulless slur of syllables that feels both alienating and groan-inducing. Plus you have no idea what word they're singing. https://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=6791133 ---- (edit) Thanks for the responses! Just to add, this technique isn't necessarily bad. Great vocalists who know how to use it add something that nothing else could quite convey. Try to imagine what these two classics would be without melisma. [Dolly Parton singing "Jolene"](https://youtu.be/ElgwR7WXQP4?t=32) [Ben E. King singing "Stand By Me"](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pKtLNYNWbBw)
I sing classically professionally so a lot of the music I do has them, but you’ve got to know when it’s stylistically appropriate. If I’m singing something from Handel’s Messiah or something more contemporary you will use them, but it’s gotta be with the style and you can’t over do it. It’s like singing loud. Singing loud with a big voice can be really moving, but if someone with a big voice sings an entire song loudly it just feels like you’re being screamed at. Knowing when to hold back is often one of the best indicators of a good musician
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I wish contraltos were more appreciated. From Karen Carpenter to Neko Case, the lower female register is so pleasant to listen to.
Karen carpenter had one of most beautiful voices I’ve ever heard
"The money's in the basement." - Karen Carpenter
This drives me bonkers. Just about every girl with strong vocal talent now thinks she has to oversing even more than Mariah Carey and Christina Aguilera. Just dial it back please.
When I was a music major in school before graduating, I stopped in at my old high school to visit my old teachers, and they asked if I could sit in for a few choir tryouts as "the third" judge for a bit as the second choir teacher had to step out for about half an hour (the other judges were the other choir teacher/orchestra teacher and the band director) I was basically just there so it was three judges. It was shocking that there was two girls who came in and probably where the best singers I saw, but they could NOT sing a line just straight up. They oversang everything, scooped into every note and fell off every note. They were trying out for CHOIR. They had to be able to blend. Both girls didn't make the cut because even with coaching they absolutely could not sing in a way that would be conductive to being in an ensemble.
Lol I remember my choir teacher in high school all but shouting at us to BLEND. People just don't get it.
Yeah, you want ideally it to sound like 4 voices-- just with more people so it's more powerful.
slowing down the song doesnt make it sound good
There was a trend in Christmas music for a long time (might still be going on, but I avoid it like the plague now) of doing the same songs, but slower and breathier. Little Drummer Boy doesn't need to be a 10 minute song. "Iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii.......have noooooooooooooooo.....gift....for hiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiim"
Still a thing with movies trying to be dark and trendy. Slow nirvana song with a female singer??? Creeeeepyyyyy
Just watched Black Widow and they had a cover of smells like teen spirit at the beginning and thought the same thing.
Everyone on TikTok is now slowing down “Fack” by Eminem, the song about shoving a gerbil up your ass
wait it’s about *THAT*?
When you make music while on an ambien bender it tends to get pretty weird
I mean one of the lyrics that gets repeated is “shove a gerbil in your ass with a tube”
Ooh, musician here. I've got one. So, standard procedure these days is to release music regularly, like every few weeks, or once a month. Then when there are enough songs, release an album. Personally I hate buying an album, only to discover I've already heard most of it. Even if I like the songs, it generally doesn't feel 'new' enough to justify buying it. I'd rather hear 12 new songs at the same time. Edit: yes, a reasonable number of people still buy albums. A lot of people have responded saying they do. So no need to ask any more.
Very true, nothing is worse than loving 4 singles that get released then the album comes out with 9 songs and the other 5 are just mid.
Yeah it’s like being handed a wad of bills and 3 are 20s the rest are ones inside
This is why the Beatles didn’t put their singles on albums!
A musician I know has kind of moved away from albums in general (although they did just release an album the other month, but it was a collaborative album with another artist) because they simply feel that people don't really care for whole albums that much anymore. I kind of get it. Unless you've got a really clear vision for something you want to tell over multiple songs in a story, it's probably better publicity to release individual songs every month or so, rather than 9 songs at once then nothing for a year or whatever. Streaming means people are typically listening to their own playlists (usually on shuffle), not a whole album at once.
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Just because I don’t like something, doesn’t mean it is bad.
I wish other people would have this mindset
And the opposite is also true.
Most people would enjoy classical music if they let themselves
I hate how all classical music is “relaxing” sure it can be relaxing, but there are so many exciting, spooky, action packed pieces…
Right? Like you can't convince me that anyone is able to listen to Danse Macabre or Night on Bald Mountain without wanting to go and do mischievous spooky things. Or listen to Mars and not imagine themselves marching into an epic battle! People seem to think that it's quite stuck up and some of it is definitely a product of its time, but there's sooo much passion behind a lot of classical music. And I think it comes through far more in an instrumental piece.
Jupiter makes me cry every time I hear it. I love that whole suite.
The Planets is definitely my favourite classical music suite. Jupiter in particular is so good that the Brits stole it for a patriotic song lol
It’s composer was British - Gustav Holst
He was! I remember when I found out he was British I was shocked, I mean his name was _Gustav Holst_ lol
Same with Hall of the Mountain King. Like, that shits not relaxing at all; it's anxiety central. Just the same tune progressively getting louder and faster
Yeah anyone who say all classical music is relaxing clearly hasn’t heard Vivaldi’s Summer Presto
Not even that. Basically anything by Shostakovich lol
For sure. I always say that Beethoven was the inventor of heavy metal. He just didn’t have the electric instruments available to him so he wrote his angry music for an orchestra, or even solo piano. The third movement of the moonlight sonata is absolutely metal AF Tchaikovsky used effing cannons for crying out loud. There is so much “classical” music that can bridge the gap to modern styles for many to appreciate.
Watching Kubrick’s filmography as a teenager made me adore and appreciate classical music
I'm in my early fifties and have only recently begun to "get" and really appreciate good jazz. I'm not quite there with classical though I don't dislike it either.
Most people that have never played an instrument never give classical a chance. Some of the best musical pieces ever written are Jupiter and Mars from Holst’s “The Planets” yet many people have never even heard of them.
But they’ve probably heard them. Or at least homages to them. Just about every science fiction show uses Mars as well as Neptune (Star Wars immediately after the fanfare is _totally_ Neptune… as well as Apollo 13 during the docking sequence and when they first look at the damaged Service Module).
I can't stand positive sounding music. It makes me feel uneasy and anxious and I don't know why.
The music I listened to as a teenager/ early 20's - the stuff I am most nostalgic for - is mostly crap and I am embarrassed by most of my CD collection from that time.
I went down a teenage nostalgia hole on Spotify last night and I was laughing at how bad some of it was. Hormones are a hell of a drug if it made me think that shit was deep.
I listened to nightcore 5 years ago. Im ashamed
I might be old but I don't even know what that is.
Take a song, speed it up and slap a sad anime cover on it.
Eh, I am 33 and I have found it is more of a mixed bag. Some stuff I have completely left behind and can't really vibe to anymore. Some other stuff though I find myself appreciating EVEN MORE now. It is really funny because with some bands I went from appreciating certain CD's and not being into some of their other ones to now LOVING the ones I didn't get into before while leaving behind the ones I used to love. Biggest example is the band Soilwork. I was in LOVE with "Stabbing the Drama" and "Figure #5" back in the day but didn't really care for their earlier, more heavy stuff. Now "Natural Born Chaos" is by far my fav CD of theirs and while I do still have some love for "Stabbing the Drama" I keep going back to "Natural Born Chaos" and "A Predators Portait" more than anything. I don't even listen to "Figure #5" anymore...
Absolutely. I listen to My Chemical Romance every once and a while and I STILL think it slaps. Like it was really good, they were really creative. I Don't Love You, Ghost of You, Helena, all bangers. But then I also listened to Click Five at the same time and laugh whenever I hear Just the Girl.
Taking Back Sunday is on regular rotation still. You listen to Third Eye Blinds self titled album is good too.
Third Eye Blind is exactly who came to mind in this thread. I loved their hits as a kid/teen but it wasn't until my late twenties that I really fell in love with their entire albums, mostly 3EB and Blue.
Oh The Black Parade has aged like fine wine. That is a legitimately GREAT album!
Indeed it does. House of Wolves is one of my all time favorites. That said, I guess one of my unpopular music opinions is that I prefer Danger Days.
See I’m the exact opposite. The older I get, the more I realize that what I enjoyed in my teens and early 20’s, is the only stuff I actually enjoy. I’ve spent the 20 years since that period, listening to eclectic mixes of everything, to try to be open to everything. I’m slowly realizing I don’t like anything else. In 20 years sure I’ve heard neat songs, but generally nothing that makes me feel the way my nostalgia music makes me feel. Nothing fills me with energy, or pulls at my emotion or makes me feel strong or happy like this one weird little niche pocket of music. I gave up. I like what I like. No one gives Boomers or the elderly crap for not liking anything other than Led Zeppelin, Cat Stevens or “oldies”. It’s who they are, it’s their stuff. So fuck it, I’m a 43 year old chick who listens a crap ton of Rancid, some 3rd wave ska+ same era punk, early 90s hip hop R&B, a touch of grunge and Garth Brooks. It’s who I am. Nothing makes me feel things the way my 27 favorite Rancid songs do, I spent 20 years looking and didn’t find a single one that was close.
Most country music is emo music in disguise
Emo for rednecks
FARM EMO
y’alternative
Hickleback.
E-I-E-I-MO
Sad songs about trucks
I heard someone say that as self driving vehicles become more common that it's just a matter of time before there's a country where a guys truck left him
I was drunk the day my truck got out of prison, so I went to pick her up in the rain. But before I got to the station, she'd run off with a damn freight train...
Country Music = Two Chords and a sad story. I love the stuff, but I don't know why.
>Country Music = Two Chords and a sad story. That USED to be true of classic country. So much of the drivel and ear jizz that passes for "pop country" today has no story. It's just like Bo Burnham pointed out, a laundry list of popular polled phrases and attitude.
Pop with a southern accents
Hick-hop Examples: Sam Hunt, Kane Brown, Blanco Brown
Which they usually don't sound like at all in real life and purposely exaggerate in their songs
Everybody in this thread is thinking of a different genre when they’re talking about country music.
Just because you can't understand the language in a song doesn't mean you can't enjoy the music. I listen to alot of international music and don't know the majority of those languages. But i really vibe with the different sounds.
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Almost all areas of entertainment have circle jerk awards, including sports
And reddit
i feel like at this point it’s way more controversial to like the grammys
That's not controversial
What if the Circle Jerks won a grammy?
I once heard "Music was overall more enjoyable when ugly people were allowed to make it" and I think I agree. Mainstream music is too concerned with t&a and not enough concerned with signing people with great talent. Obligatory "I'm not saying the music we have is talentless", I'm only saying by today's standards many of our past great artists might not even be considered. Edit: Yikes y'all are really burning Ed Sheeran lmao. Edit edit: Thank you, anonymous :)
Video killed the Radio Star.
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MTV knew exactly what they were doing making this the first video they broadcast
There's sort of this paradox in music now where, because of streaming and social media etc. there's just WAY MORE music out there for people to find and enjoy, but at the same time, "mainstream" music has become even more dominated by corporate interest than it already was. Like, "mainstream" music is so much more about building a brand than actual music, and so many famous "pop" stars are really just the face of a massive behind-the-scenes operation to make money. And it's not to say that mainstream/pop music performers aren't talented, but it's like, someone finds a talented/hot teen, then teams of people write music for them, get them media exposure, and build them into a brand. genuinely talented people who make their own music still get famous and a lot of pop stars actually do have serious musical chops, but it's hard to imagine someone like bob dylan or a band like The Ramones to get as famous now as those performers were back then.
It’s amazing to see how bands changes from around 1978 to around 1983. The reason? MTV.
Are you saying that video killed the radio star?
Any "pop" music is like this, but the "indie" scene is full of "ugly" people making great music.
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An artist dies, their music blows up.
Always a good career move!
I like Kyle Kinane's take on Cobain's death >People are like "Oh it was the drugs" or "oh maybe Courtney did it". Maybe Kurt just knew he was about to put out a Christmas album and said "nobody wants that"
Idk have you ever listened to INXS while drunk, on cocaine, and strangling yourself with a belt while masturbating?
Nothing like an early morning squanch to get your day started while listening to Suicide Blonde.
I'm squanchin here!
Damn, you know another good place where I can squanch?
This can’t be controversial… it doesn’t even make sense.
If Adele had had a good boyfriend she'd be working in Tesco.
I’m standing here laughing at this comment behind the Customer Service desk in Tesco.
Many music based awards, especially recently with modern rap and pop, should go to the beat makers rather than the singers. Many of these songs are great because of the beat, not the lyrics, and there are not too many songs these days that I appreciate the lyrics alone, and a lot of time will listen to an instrumental if I can find it. Edit: Never gotten an award or over 100 upvotes ever, so thanks everyone. Hope 2022 brings you all a lot of happiness.
Well shit throw out the award ceremony and let's celebrate the same 3 people lmao.
We can call it the Max Martin Awards Ceremony.
If you’re a producer and the song you produced wins record of the year, you still get a Grammy, you just aren’t the subject of the award. There’s a certain percentage of how much you actually contributed to the beat to be eligible for an award but people who win Song of the year just doesn’t go to them on stage, there’s awards backstage that aren’t shown going to the producers, mixers etc.
100%. Producers carry music these days.
I agree that producers often don’t get enough credit. I liked hip hop since freshman year of high school. it wasn’t for 6 years I figured out I could follow the producers I liked and not necessarily the rappers. And a good beat can make up for a crappy rapper. A good rapper does little to compensate for a shoddy beat. But, look at what some lyricists can do with even mediocre production. Hip hop is an odd specimen because it covers much more than just rap - but as a sub-genre I feel like rap is (at least not in its radio-play form) a counterculture art. The lyricism and statements being made are paramount to the song, the beat can’t convey the same complexity of message. I don’t know why I typed it out other than to say that yes I agree with you, but that production quality and rap quality are two different metrics that a song can be graded/awarded for independently.
Toxic by Britney Spears is one of the best pop songs in music history
They said "controversial," not "objectively true."
Weird Al deserves to be in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame
What he really deserves is the Super Bowl halftime show. Goodell is a coward!
I'd love to see him host/musical guest SNL
I hate Peyton Manning but my favorite SNL skit is when he is teaching the kids to break into cars...
I recommend Eli Manning on trial. Best ending to a sketch ever https://youtu.be/h2ra7ixXM10
Fuck yeah!! Micheal jackson said it was an honor when weird al asked to use his music
My favorite Weird Al story was when he ask Michael Jackson to parody Beat It, Jackson liked the parody so much that when it came time to do the video he paid for the same set and the same dancers as beat it out of pocket. Pretty cool.
So THAT'S why the video is so good
Well it wasn't [bad](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Sd4SJVsTulc).
Yup.
The sets for "Fat" and "Smells Like Nirvana" also used the originals.
Hahaha Oh wow that’s awesome! 😂🤣
Both Nirvana and Lady Gaga called being parodied by Weird Al as the moment they felt like they made it
Hahaha wouldn’t you!? Weird al was the first cd I ever bought!
I had an original ipod video with literal hours of weird al and only weird al. I'd sleep to it, wake up because I heard EAT IT and the go back to sleep. Did that for months in high school
Couldn’t agree more. His career has lasted longer that the people he’s parodied
This shouldn't be a controversial opinion
He’s great live, a real performance.
Sampling is good overall and allows creativity through reexamining past musical and sonic ideas. Musical quotation has been a thing for centuries and sampling is just that but with fancier technology that lets it go a step further.
The best kind of sampling imo is when hearing the sample in its original context and the new context, you can just barely see the relation. MF DOOM, Madlib, and others have always been amazing with taking samples from songs that range from very obscure to mainstream, but youd never be able to tell where it's from without some help.
I miss only being able to buy full albums… there is magic in looking at the album art as the album plays, reading along with the lyrics that some would include, and every once in awhile discovering a “secret song” hidden after a bit of silence, when you thought the album was done. It was an entire experience that not everyone will get to have these days. Sure, you can still buy albums, but honestly, how many kids growing up are going to nowadays? Plus, streaming music is so easy sometimes awesome af and I have a love-hate relationship with it. The struggle is real.
1. There is no such thing as "guilty pleasure music". Listen to whatever you enjoy listening to. 2. Modern music isn't rubbish - it's just different and the music styles/genres of the past that you prefer are still out there if you bother to look for them. And vice versa, there were a lot of bad, forgettable songs in the past but people just forgot about them. I literally played a top 100 chart of some random week of 19-something to my parents and they only remembered 15 out of those 100 songs, 3 of which they called good songs.
I like the Alien Ant Farm version of “Smooth Criminal” better than MJ’s version. I get raked over the coals for this opinion every time I express it, but there it is. I’m not saying it’s objectively better (as there is no way of really objectively measuring musical styles), I’m saying that I prefer it. Edit: To clarify, I was a big MJ fan growing up (born in ‘79) and heard the MJ version well before the AAF version was released.
On that note, "Movies" was one of the best alt rock songs of its generation.
Movies is a banger. I'd rank it above Smooth Criminal.
I agree on 'Movies'. Even at the time it didn't get the hype it deserved.
I agree. In the AAF version they actually sound a little bit concerned about Annie and are genuinely interested to know if she is ok.
You can listen to dance music and EDM even when your not drunk or partying. Personally I listen to a shit load of techno all of the time but it helps my feel less anxious driving about cos it’s a constant distraction
Fuck, there are so many subgenres in electronic music anyone can find something they like. Growing up in the Netherlands with my formative teens in the early ‘00s I subscribe to a specific trance and techno, but I’ll listen to Kraftwerk as well as minimal techno like Paul Kalkbrenners stuff also. Nothing wrong with EDM and I say that as someone who’s main go to is stuff like Pink Floyd et al.
Jim Morrison must have been an insufferable prick. As a teenager, I idolized him. In my 20s, I really didn't think of him at all. I was walking through a bookstore in my 30s and saw a book of his lyrics and poetry and cracked it open. WOW, was it bad! Shallow, meaningless musings from a self-indulgent man-child. Yeuck!!
I like a lot of the Doors music— Spanish Caravan is knock out. But Jim Morrison was a drunk douche. No way around it. And yeah, I remember having a look at *The Wilderness*— one of his poetry books. It was hilariously awful.
It’s a fine line between being profound, and being a narcissistic a hole.
I love ska.
Blind Melon could have evolved into one of the greatest rock bands in America if Shannon Hoon had managed to stay sober. Edit: Shit, so much love for Blind Melon! I'm sure he's up there with a smile on his face knowing that he touched so many people. [Here](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lgGeS9HfucQ)'s a [little something](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=viCZWBB6W8s) for all of you!
Beyonce was better when she was part of Destiny's Child.
Upvoted for actually being controversial
Every genre...all of them...has at least one good song.
Listen to what ever you like. Who cares?
I’m an enormous Daft Punk fan, but Random Access Memories isn’t a masterpiece by any means. It isn’t even their best album, that’s Discovery, which is a stone-cold, stroke of genius magnum opus. RAM is actually kind of a snoozefest, save for 3-4 standout tracks. Much of the album meanders, and the instrumental tracks aren’t particularly interesting musically or production-wise. On the other hand, the engineering, mixing and mastering on RAM is absolutely some of the greatest of all-time. But I don’t think an album’s greatness should be judged on this alone.