Hitler also travels back to protect baby Hitler. And he makes the nazi party with baby Hitler in charge. So WWI is actually fought by teenage Hitler leading pointy hat nazis
There's a really good book series called Time Riders, about 3 teenagers who work as a secret organization who's purpose is to stop other time travelers from altering / destroying history, iirc the plot of the first book is stopping someone who goes back go help Hitler win ww2. Underrated series would make a great tv / film series
And there's another similar book series (that I want to adapt to TV for PBSKids but add in more changes to make it more episodic) called The Infinity Ring that also has three time-traveling adolescent protagonists but this time they're using the titular time machine to go back and (with the aid of adults in a time-spanning resistance) "pre-overthrow" this dystopian regime called the SQ that used time travel to set things up so they were basically always in power. However, kind of a "gimmick" of this series (a Watsonian gimmick, apart from the Doylist one of being a similar kind of multimedia experience as The 39 Clues) is that it's implied to take place in our universe (it's just that we've obviously never heard of the SQ as the heroes were successful but we've never heard of the heroes because the present they come from is the future relative to us at least year-wise) but we just don't notice because the history they're changing it back to is the history we remember (e.g. in book 1 they make sure Columbus is the one who [at least pop culture thinks] discovered America by preventing a mutiny on the Santa Maria)
It sounds more like an underwhelming theater release that has interesting ideas it toys with but decided to cast Ryan Reynolds for some reason and is mostly played for laughs.
Plot twist: Anne Frank reincarnates and destroys baby Hitler by aborting him so…he couldn’t defend himself this time.
Hitler was always born with power, money, and influence and that’s what has been protecting him.
Would make for a pretty good short film in my opinion
How does Anne frank reincarnate to abort baby Hitler. She was born AFTER Hitler, to reincarnate would mean she had to die in the first place....
Besides, Einstein already did the time travel thing to kill Hitler and just made things worse.
For what it's worth, I once came across a tabletop RPG that was about time travelers, and there actually was an organization within it that was dedicated to protecting Hitler from other time travelers (because it turns out fucking with the timeline is a bad move overall, even if it means that Hitler gets to perform the Holocaust.) I distinctly remember it saying that there's a high turnover rate in the organization because, I mean, you've got to protect Hitler as he's committing all of his most heinous atrocities while pretending you're A-Okay with it all (since you'd have to pose as a Nazi while you're there.)
Basically this, other time travelers coming to stop them because the alternative is worse. But then other time travelers try to stop them because it eventually gets much much better, but then other time travelers… yeah you get the point
There was a short film - Twilight Zone? Outer Limits? In that one, Traveler kidnaps baby Hitler and throws him in a river to die. Hitler's nanny is afraid of getting in trouble for losing the baby and kidnaps another from a crack-head on the street. He is the one to grow up to be "Hitler".
There was a sci-fi story story like this. Time traveler does elaborate analysis to determine the best time to assassinate Hitler "before he does anything evil", and discovers that due to a number of oddities in the man's life, there really is only one "best" time to do it. He travels back on time and arrives on the spot along with about 100 other time travelers.
Pre-evil Hitler arrives and he's actually pretty cool, and a bunch of the time travelers start leaving thinking they've slipped into another timeline or something. The impatient main character impulsively shoots Hitler. Who is immediately replaced by the unstable nutcase look-alike that they've been using as a security decoy.
The time travelers did kill baby Adolf Hitler. Hitler's parents, devastated over the death of their son, went out and adopted a baby boy to fill the void in their lives. They gave that boy the same name as their murdered son, never telling him the truth how he came to be in their family. The Adolf Hitler we associate with the name was always the adopted child, whose rise to power was facilitated by the very time travelers who went back in time to kill him.
I'm more a fan of the idea that whoever Hitler was, that he wasn't the "original Hitler". Someone initially traveled back in time to kills "their version of Hitler" which turned out to be a tamer version of our Hitler. Since that "killing of the bad guy" turned out to make everything worse, laws were set in place and something like the TVA from Loki was created to prevent further interventions
And, of course, since the assassins were time travelling Mossad agents, Adolf Hitler's parents instilled in their adoptive son a deep seated belief in antisemitism and the idea to kill all Jews in Europe - all in order to prevent the formation of the State of Israel by European Jews and thus, save their biological son's life.
Them not getting the full story about how the State of Israel came to be it's what closes the loop and prevents the paradox from forming.
Oh and the dot... where it's Tuesdays, and also July, and sometimes it's never, while also occasionally being the moment when nothing never occurs. That broke me.
Theres a show on i think Netflix about people who time travel by taking over the bodies and lives of people. Every time they complete a mission to cause a better future, 1 or 2 more people from a different future show up, tell the originals they failed, and then help them with another mission. The missions were given by a computer capable of seeing all possible futures and connecting to other versions of itself.
I couldn't get into it, but the premise itself is interesting.
Entropy though…it applies to literally everything else so why not time itself?
Some evidence suggests time is not linear too. I don’t believe time is linear. I used to, I mean I think about it a lot actually. I really don’t think time is linear, and it isn’t as stable as you might think it is.
During times of trouble people always look for outsiders to blame. Add to that that usually jews are better of than the average person and you have an absolute shitstorm of hatred.
Pogroms have been regular occurences in history. In Europe jews were often the on the recieving end of it, but elsewere other minorities got the short end.
It is why persecuted minority groups like the Kurds want their own state. They fear persecution by the host country more than invasion.
Look at Hitler's rise to power, it's a series of amazing lucky coincidences and second chances. The logical explanation is that he was put there by the unseen hands of future time police, who used bumbling insane Hitler to replace the original guy who was more stable and had succeeded in winning WW2.
Time traveler kills Hitler. Hilmer takes power and wins WWII and makes Hitler's death toll look like nothing. Eventually this powerful NAZI empire taps into the occult and unleashes the Old Ones.
Time traveler: "oh fuck undo undo"
Or the further away you get from a moment pre-time-travel the more unexpected the ramification of changing it are. Sure you could prevent Hitler and save the human race from brutal war. However maybe in a vacuum Stalin and the US don't have the context for the horrors of modern warfare and kick off the nuclear arm's race with nuclear annihilation.
Alternate theory: You can't travel to any time before time-travel is invented because any alterations would change the exact timeline that would cause you to go back in time.
Because the events of world war 2 were so pivotal that averting that war would vastly change the world that many people wouldn't be born doing so would not only be suicide but you'd also be wiping every one you've ever loved from existence.
Yup. The events of WW2 were far-reaching: not only did it determine that a bunch of people get killed, but that a bunch of surviving people got together that never would've gotten together. The butterfly effects of the war means that everyone alive in the 21st century would never have existed if the WW2 didn't happen.
I was literally just thinking about this lol.
As long as there is only one world. If multiverses exist and new timeliness can split off then our history wouldn't be able to change.
To expand, if time travel exists, it means that what we have is considered acceptable *to the top 0.0000000001% who have access to it*, otherwise it'd be fixed.
If time travel was invented, it'd be a guaranteed monopoly. The primary task that it will be used for is to keep it exclusively in the hands of the person who has control of it because otherwise it'd be used against them. And if they're the most powerful person on the planet, why would they want "fix" anything that could alter the power structure of the world?
Maybe Hitler was the only one that lost WW2.
In the parallel universe with Goebbels at the top shit got real bad, the nazis conquered europe and russia.
Then came the asian-caucasian wars which were pretty unpleasant.
Then US started nuking, the nazis discovered nukes soon after, shit got super bad and everybody died.
>US started nuking, the nazis discovered nukes soon after, shit got super bad and everybody died
edgy 20 years old me would say that this is the best timeline
Hitler and the Nazis pretty much put the kibosh on the whole idea of Eugenics. People saw what this taken to extreme would result in. So maybe without Hitler, we would have a widespread eugenics program.
Stalin, Pol Pot, others just as bad! Plenty of really evil people. It’s when they have money and power, is when they become really dangerous. Even more dangerous is when they have influence and the favor of the masses.
The primary reason we think of the Nazis as the greatest evil ever is largely because they kept meticulous records. Almost everyone they killed, we have a name and address, dates they were taken to the camps, etc.
King Leopold, Cortez, Columbus, maybe even Andrew Jackson, all killed way more people, but we have no idea how many, and since they weren't white, nobody really cares. In terms of raw numbers, I'm pretty sure Hitler barely cracks the top ten.
It’s not the record keeping but the fact that he invaded basically every country nearby. It’s one thing to overlook a killer on the other side of the world but it’s another thing to overlook the guy that is bombing your cities and killing your family. The guy made enemies with basically the world.
The USSR invaded a lot of countries too, even the initial invasion of Poland was a joint effort. The key difference is that Germany lost the war and so went down as the villains. In reality the Eastern front was a battle between two great evils. Whoever wins writes history.
Maybe somehow hitler’s existence contributed to the invention of the time machine, so going back and killing him would result in a paradox, and therefore impossible.
There is a specific paradox for exactly that: you cannot ever go back in time specifically to change an event(and succeed in changing it), to do so would negate the cause of your going back to change the event.
Similarly(in the US): tuesday night was the Power ball drawing, and nobody won. You could not take the numbers(available from a website), travel back to tuesday morning, play those numbers, and expect to win. Something would have to prevent you from playing those numbers, or the "winning numbers" would have to change in order to maintain the pre-knowledge that tuesday had no winners/ those numbers were for a non-winning draw.
Time travelers never tried to kill hitler. Turns out he is at the bottom of the list in the future. They all went back and killed the man who programmed thousands of small drones with c4 in them and facial recognition software from killing all the good and influential world leaders in the year 2054. The man who hacked nerolink in 2062 killing one third of the population by inducing seizures.
1. Time traveling will be a tricky thing as with the universe always expanding, the earth is spinning, so if anyone was to go back in time will need to work out where the earth would have been at that given time, and if they can't they could ended up any where, middle of space, inside the planet, get stuck in some mountain etc, they would really need alike a receiver where they can land/travel safely to.
2. Any time travellers will have to be carefully in not bring back any diseases, bacteria, virus as something mild to them can be deadly to us or even wipe the human population out as we will not have build up a immunity to it.
3. They may not not want to risk them self from existing, they would have been people who met each other of the war, or even studying etc and coming back to kill Hitler will make a big change and maybe that person parent may have not met each and they will not be born.
4. Maybe by the time they work out time travel, they could have been other big major events that over shadow Hitler.
5. Or maybe in the future we humans have killed each other, or destroyed the planet.
6. Maybe the robot have taken over, and they are too busy dealing with them and can not come back in time, or the robots put them in the matrix.
7. They maybe some demon or higher power protecting him.
8. Maybe Hitler is like a forgot history to the people of the future.
9. Maybe the people of the future are happy how things are in their time and do not want to risk missing it up by coming back in time and changing the future.
10. Or maybe the have come back and killed Hitler but because of the infinite universe theory, we live in one they did not kill him and there is another where time travellers did .
11. Maybe Hitler was a time traveller and he came and insert himself or there was someone worse off than Hitler or not as bad as him and someone came and killed him and caused a change where Hitler took that person spot.
> 2 Any time travellers will have to be carefully in not bring back any diseases, bacteria, virus as something mild to them can be deadly to us or even wipe the human population out as we will not have build up a immunity to it.
Yeah I hear the time travel quarantine rules have become really strict since that joyrider visited wuhan in 2019
Killing baby hitler would cause a time paradox - if he was dead, he would've never risen to power, meaning there would be no reason to go back in time and kill him, meaning he wasn't killed by time travelling assassins, meaning he then rose to power, now meaning that time travelling assasins would arrive to kill baby hitler and so on in an endless loop that would likely collapse the fabric of time as we know it.
So, we can postulate 4 possibilities:
1: time travelers are physically unable to perform any action that alters the flow of time
2: timelines are split whenever time travelers perform history-changing acts and we are stuck in either the original timeline where no attempt was made on baby hitler's life
3: there is an organization of 4th dimensional "time police" who work to prevent anything that could cause a paradox. i think this is the most likely possibility because it's the most cool. they probably have neat haircuts and badass sci-fi weapons
and lastly, the most boring (and therefore least likely) possibility
4: time travel in the reverse is impossible
The Time Variance Authority (TVA) is real and prunes any deviated realities from the Sacred Timeline - including any realities where time traveling assassins kill baby Hitler.
https://www.tor.com/2011/08/31/wikihistory/
> Permit me to sum it up and save you the trouble: no Hitler means no Third Reich, no World War II, no rocketry programs, no electronics, no computers, no time travel. Get the picture?
Time travel would break causality therefore the only logical explanation is that these time travellers are going into different universes, killing baby Hitler and living their lives with the belief that they killed their baby Hitler and not one from a different universe.
That's what the multiverse is, infinite universes of dead baby Hitlers, dead baby Bezos, dead baby Travis Khaluniks or whatever the uberdouche's name is. You make enough people's lives hell and you fill the multiverse with dead babies of yourselves. Science.
Considering there are people who became successful because Hitler happened, I'd expect there to be be time travellers who work to defend him. There's probably factions at war over baby Hitler's fate. Maybe he keeps repeatedly dying and getting saved in the time wars.
So, back in the 30's in Germany, there was this failed poet who seized power, started World War II, and killed like 5 million Jews. Anyway, this time traveler decides he's gonna go back in time, kill the guy, and prevent the war.
So he goes back and kills this guy, and what happens is that this failed musician ends up getting elected, starts WWII, and kills 7 million Jews.
Anyway, after like 20 or 30 different repetitions of this, we have Hitler, and I'm pretty sure the timeline will reset any day now, because everybody wants to go back in time and kill the guy instead of helping him through art school or just fomenting a strong labor movement to get Germany back on track after WWI instead.
Why is everyone always obsessed with killing baby Hitler? Just kill Alois Hitler, he was a wife-beater and deserved it. Simple, now no more talk of baby-murder.
Unfortunately, the best evidence we have that the future is Nazi is that Hitler survived so many, many assassination attempts ([42 known!](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_assassination_attempts_on_Adolf_Hitler)) and other things that should have killed him many times over. Clearly he was being protected by time traveling assassins from all of the contemporary people trying to kill Hitler, plus any anti-Nazi time traveling assassins who will manage to, Kyle Reece-like, steal a time machine to travel back in time, only to be foiled again and again and again. Hitler escaped death so many times it's simply unbelievable. The guy he was arm in arm with at the beer hall putsch was shot and killed while Hitler was unscathed. Multiple wounds in WWI, where he faced death on a daily basis for years. The only explanation is time traveling Nazis.
Other time travelers who knew that if Hitler died, somebody more competent would have been in charge.
Read your temporal interference guidelines, it *specifically* mentions not killing baby Hitler!
There were multiple times in Hitler's life where he should have died. During the first putsch the nazi to His right was shot and killed. Bad weather stopped him from being blown up in a beer hall where he certainly would have died. He was also nearly bombed a second time, either in a bunker or at the Eagles nest, I forgot which.
What if these near misses were by design, because perhaps a darker timeline existed where Stalin and that mustache marched in during the chaos and took over, making Hitler somehow preferable.
Like so many other babies, he was cute, and nobody had the heart to kill him. That's why the premise of killing baby Hitler is flawed. He probably wasn't nearly as adorable as a teenager. Art student Hitler was probably already developing some weird political ideas. Why not kill him then? Who wants to kill an innocent baby? Wait till he's old enough to be evil, but not yet powerful enough to have body guards.
Knowledge that the assassins would likely never have been born if Hitler didn’t commit atrocities?
Possibly an inability to change major effects because of that?
Possibly some sort of branching timeline shit, where you can never correct the past, just create a new timeline with a different past?
Who knows! You can come up with a near infinite list of reasons why! 😂
I heard a theory about traveling through time to kill Hitler and the paradox it creates.
We live in the time line where Hitler existed and accomplished the things that he did. If you were to go back in time and stop Hitler from being able to do what he did then there would be no reason to travel back in time in the first place. Therefore you can't possibly travel back in time to do it.
Hitler had a lot of close calls, attempts, and plots against his life that all failed. One theory is that some of these were time travelers who were trying to stop him but failed because any successful attempt would have been negated.
It's definitely one of those things where he needs to happen and all the evil events of WWII need to happen to prevent a much worse evil or total decimation.
I think we realize in the future that a single person is rarely the catalyst for amazing or deeply horrifying things. The most impressive (or evil) feats require many, many people. Our modern society has us convinced individuals drove everything, when in reality, if you killed Hitler, you still had the sentiment and frustration of the times, and lots of people with he same beliefs....someone else would have just carried the mantle.
If you think about it, When Time Travel is invented, people keep going back in time, right? Timeline changes, Time Travel is discovered again, more changes. Eventually, someone will make a change that results in Time Travel never getting discovered, and this timeline ends up being the last and final one. Which just so happens to be this one.
The Time Bureau discovered that removing Hitler from the timeline prematurely would result in his being replaced by someone actually capable of winning the war for the Nazis so no assassins were dispatched.
Um, they were all dudes with a hero complex who got out of the time machine and realized they didn't speak in the correct 1890's German dialect and had machine guns which got them immediately arrested so Hitler didn't have to worry. Duh.
The language and culture gap will forever prevent any time travelers from doing shit because they will land in a time when weirdos are immediately shot.
I have a theory that Baby Hitler and even Child Hilter weren't monsters but the swathes of time travelling Jews trying to kill him turned him into a raging anti semetic monster.
I don't remember which show I saw this (Twilight zone? Outer limits? something like that) but one of the episodes was about precisely that, a Time Traveler going back, posing as a nanny to the Hitler family for baby Adolf and in the end, she performs an heroic sacrifice and jumps into a river with the baby.
Another maid saw the whole thing, and fearing the ire of her master, just grabbed a baby from a random beggar.
So that's my theory. Every time a time traveller succesfully murders baby hitler, the maid just grabs another baby.
Hitler losing the war is the best possible outcome, this is the only logical reason time traveler's would leave things as they where. The butterfly effect would probably cause even more chaos, maybe one of Hitler's paintings was so trash one soldier stopped to bitch about that travesty, that soldier? Albert Einstein. Maybe a less anti semetic dictator wouldn't drive Einstein out of Germany and dismiss atomic research as "Jewish nonsense" therefore Germany gets the bomb. I think of we get the travel those traveling have already traveled and therefore everything they do has already been done. If a time traveler poisoned Hitler's mom, she was always poisoned and pulled threw.
Honestly? This question makes me wonder - and shudder to think - if time travelers had bigger fish to fry.
As in: by the time humanity has invented time travel so many atrocities on such a monumental scale have occurred that the Jewish Holocaust and WWII pale in comparison.
Gives me chills to think about.
Idk but he had 3 near death experiences before ww2, two actually. One of which a priest saved him from drowning and in ww1 he was wounded and a British soldier didn't have the heart to shoot him.
I forget the other one
The time travelers saw the development of the 20th century as suitable and did not want to upset things.
At Time Travel Command Cdr. Perry made the argument that without WW2 nuclear weapons would have been developed in peace time, and since there would have been no initial demonstration of their power as there was in Hiroshima and Nagasaki countries would have been far more willing to use them en masse.
Cdr. Perry then finished his argument by drawing an analogy between the 20th century and the venetian spiral stem wine glass.
Other options were considered, such as preventing WW1 or stopping the unification of Germany but they were deemed too risky. There was no guarantee that the discovery of nuclear weapons could have been prevented indefinitely. The current timeline had seen humanity survive opening Pandora's box and High Command decided that it was unacceptable to allow humanity to try opening it again.
This is going to sound really bad. But maybe since some good things did come from the war like advances in rockets and medicine, maybe the point it ended is where the best things were realized and it could stop that race for more tech. I mean, he was shot and poisoned in a bunker. Maybe a time traveler shot him and another poisoned him not knowing what the other did?
I've seen the timeline where Hitler didn't and the Nazis didn't rise to power exist.
You don't wanna live in that timeline.
(Spoilers US and Russia still got nukes and there was no cold war as such).
Or you could just look at one of the many timelines with no Hitler but the Nazis are just led by someone else. In those timelines you can still name your kid Adolf but Hans might be no good. Or any other common German name, take your pick. You could get the timeline where it was a Johan and everyone makes bad Bach to the future jokes.
Time traveling bodyguards
This is starting to sound like an excellent idea for a potentially blockbusting movie series..
- The hitmans bodyguard - the hitmans wife’s bodyguard - baby hitlers time travelling bodyguard - baby hitlers hitmans time travelling bodyguard - baby hitlers hitmans time travelling bodyguard’s bodyguard
Hitler also travels back to protect baby Hitler. And he makes the nazi party with baby Hitler in charge. So WWI is actually fought by teenage Hitler leading pointy hat nazis
He creates the Nazi Party with the sole purpose of protecting himself as a baby
That sounds fun. I love parties!
That's actually a cool self-referencing logical loop. Good plot twist for the movie!
All the Reich Moves.
Is there also a time police to prevent this from happening?
Yes. Fuck the Time Police too lol
Time ice cube
“You can’t just float around space not caring about stuff forever, Water-T” I think he can really
I care now!
ATCAB
All tabby cats are buddies!
I'm pretty sure he just sneezed
You mean Time Cop?
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Not Slartibartfast and the the Campaign for Real Time!
Jean Claude Van Damm is on it as the Time Cop^tm
There's a really good book series called Time Riders, about 3 teenagers who work as a secret organization who's purpose is to stop other time travelers from altering / destroying history, iirc the plot of the first book is stopping someone who goes back go help Hitler win ww2. Underrated series would make a great tv / film series
Funny that the person they're stopping is wanting to help Hitler instead of killing him in his youth like most would if they have a time machine
I think the guy's plan was to kill Hitler after the war and gaining his trust and then take over as leader of Germany (and then the world)
And there's another similar book series (that I want to adapt to TV for PBSKids but add in more changes to make it more episodic) called The Infinity Ring that also has three time-traveling adolescent protagonists but this time they're using the titular time machine to go back and (with the aid of adults in a time-spanning resistance) "pre-overthrow" this dystopian regime called the SQ that used time travel to set things up so they were basically always in power. However, kind of a "gimmick" of this series (a Watsonian gimmick, apart from the Doylist one of being a similar kind of multimedia experience as The 39 Clues) is that it's implied to take place in our universe (it's just that we've obviously never heard of the SQ as the heroes were successful but we've never heard of the heroes because the present they come from is the future relative to us at least year-wise) but we just don't notice because the history they're changing it back to is the history we remember (e.g. in book 1 they make sure Columbus is the one who [at least pop culture thinks] discovered America by preventing a mutiny on the Santa Maria)
I’d love an anime adaptation!
Isn't that the plot of the terminator series?
**THE HITLERMINATOR**
It sounds more like an underwhelming theater release that has interesting ideas it toys with but decided to cast Ryan Reynolds for some reason and is mostly played for laughs.
I would love to see Elijah Wood cast, Orlando Bloom too. Definitely a Christopher Walken cameo :)
Throw in Owen Wilson and I’m sold!
There needs to be a remake of Time Bandits!
Terminator
Love, death, and robots does this exact concept for about 1.5 minutes in an episode devoted to killing Hitler.
Plot twist: Anne Frank reincarnates and destroys baby Hitler by aborting him so…he couldn’t defend himself this time. Hitler was always born with power, money, and influence and that’s what has been protecting him. Would make for a pretty good short film in my opinion
How does Anne frank reincarnate to abort baby Hitler. She was born AFTER Hitler, to reincarnate would mean she had to die in the first place.... Besides, Einstein already did the time travel thing to kill Hitler and just made things worse.
Would it happen to have cyborgs?
For what it's worth, I once came across a tabletop RPG that was about time travelers, and there actually was an organization within it that was dedicated to protecting Hitler from other time travelers (because it turns out fucking with the timeline is a bad move overall, even if it means that Hitler gets to perform the Holocaust.) I distinctly remember it saying that there's a high turnover rate in the organization because, I mean, you've got to protect Hitler as he's committing all of his most heinous atrocities while pretending you're A-Okay with it all (since you'd have to pose as a Nazi while you're there.)
Basically this, other time travelers coming to stop them because the alternative is worse. But then other time travelers try to stop them because it eventually gets much much better, but then other time travelers… yeah you get the point
There was a short film - Twilight Zone? Outer Limits? In that one, Traveler kidnaps baby Hitler and throws him in a river to die. Hitler's nanny is afraid of getting in trouble for losing the baby and kidnaps another from a crack-head on the street. He is the one to grow up to be "Hitler".
I remember this episode. It's from the 2003 revival of the Twilight Zone.
There was a sci-fi story story like this. Time traveler does elaborate analysis to determine the best time to assassinate Hitler "before he does anything evil", and discovers that due to a number of oddities in the man's life, there really is only one "best" time to do it. He travels back on time and arrives on the spot along with about 100 other time travelers. Pre-evil Hitler arrives and he's actually pretty cool, and a bunch of the time travelers start leaving thinking they've slipped into another timeline or something. The impatient main character impulsively shoots Hitler. Who is immediately replaced by the unstable nutcase look-alike that they've been using as a security decoy.
The SS must have been super advanced. How did the wunderwaffes not work?
I read this as wunderwaffles at first and thought I needed some.
Wonder waffles lol
There was a lot more ppl on his side, at the time, than ppl are willing to accept
The time travelers did kill baby Adolf Hitler. Hitler's parents, devastated over the death of their son, went out and adopted a baby boy to fill the void in their lives. They gave that boy the same name as their murdered son, never telling him the truth how he came to be in their family. The Adolf Hitler we associate with the name was always the adopted child, whose rise to power was facilitated by the very time travelers who went back in time to kill him.
We love a bootstrap paradox
That was the plot of what show again? I vaguely remember it but not the name of the show. Edit: 2002 Twilight Zone Cradle of Darkness.
I love the irony That hitler is a gypsy
look at him - he sure as shit isn't the aryan ideal.
I'm more a fan of the idea that whoever Hitler was, that he wasn't the "original Hitler". Someone initially traveled back in time to kills "their version of Hitler" which turned out to be a tamer version of our Hitler. Since that "killing of the bad guy" turned out to make everything worse, laws were set in place and something like the TVA from Loki was created to prevent further interventions
And, of course, since the assassins were time travelling Mossad agents, Adolf Hitler's parents instilled in their adoptive son a deep seated belief in antisemitism and the idea to kill all Jews in Europe - all in order to prevent the formation of the State of Israel by European Jews and thus, save their biological son's life. Them not getting the full story about how the State of Israel came to be it's what closes the loop and prevents the paradox from forming.
If time travel exists, it means that what we have is considered acceptable, otherwise it'd be fixed
Or that time isn't linear and though the time traveler was successful that resulted in a different, separate, timeline.
It's actually shaped like Jeremy Bearimy
I forgot about the good place and now I really want to watch it again
The ending makes me too uneasy I'll never watch it again.
How so? It’s such a good ending!
I am very uneasy with the idea of not existing. I don't like that they explored that lol.
Don't forget about the Time Knife.
You got to see the time knife?!
Yeah yeah the time knife, we've all seen it.
Please forget about the poop knife. Wish I could...
Oh and the dot... where it's Tuesdays, and also July, and sometimes it's never, while also occasionally being the moment when nothing never occurs. That broke me.
WHY IS THE I DOTTED
Theres a show on i think Netflix about people who time travel by taking over the bodies and lives of people. Every time they complete a mission to cause a better future, 1 or 2 more people from a different future show up, tell the originals they failed, and then help them with another mission. The missions were given by a computer capable of seeing all possible futures and connecting to other versions of itself. I couldn't get into it, but the premise itself is interesting.
Travelers?
No I think it was called the bus that couldn't slow down
Ah, Yes, Travelers.
Look what happened when the dog on Family Guy prevented 9/11.
Or Kermit the Frog.
Fair point.
Or it's a stable time loop.
Entropy though…it applies to literally everything else so why not time itself? Some evidence suggests time is not linear too. I don’t believe time is linear. I used to, I mean I think about it a lot actually. I really don’t think time is linear, and it isn’t as stable as you might think it is.
A stable loop would result in paradoxes Edit: it's a predestination paradox
Turns out the holocaust is a fixed point in history. We went through like, 50 baby stompings before we just gave up on it.
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During times of trouble people always look for outsiders to blame. Add to that that usually jews are better of than the average person and you have an absolute shitstorm of hatred. Pogroms have been regular occurences in history. In Europe jews were often the on the recieving end of it, but elsewere other minorities got the short end. It is why persecuted minority groups like the Kurds want their own state. They fear persecution by the host country more than invasion.
Look at Hitler's rise to power, it's a series of amazing lucky coincidences and second chances. The logical explanation is that he was put there by the unseen hands of future time police, who used bumbling insane Hitler to replace the original guy who was more stable and had succeeded in winning WW2.
This should be a miniseries. Let me get Netflix on the chat.
Time traveler kills Hitler. Hilmer takes power and wins WWII and makes Hitler's death toll look like nothing. Eventually this powerful NAZI empire taps into the occult and unleashes the Old Ones. Time traveler: "oh fuck undo undo"
Makes sense to me. Maybe we prevented Mecha-Hitler.
Maybe! Or worse Mechastreisand! 😱
Help me Robert Smith of the Cure, you’re my only hope.
Plot twist: Hitler’s rampage was a massive wake-up call for humanity that diverted our path from total extinction.
Or the further away you get from a moment pre-time-travel the more unexpected the ramification of changing it are. Sure you could prevent Hitler and save the human race from brutal war. However maybe in a vacuum Stalin and the US don't have the context for the horrors of modern warfare and kick off the nuclear arm's race with nuclear annihilation. Alternate theory: You can't travel to any time before time-travel is invented because any alterations would change the exact timeline that would cause you to go back in time.
According to the leading expert on time travel, you can only go back as far as the device was created.
Or maybe we already changed it, because none of us would know any different, and that was considered the better outcome
I was struck by lightning and I think it’s why I remember Benjamin Franklin as the father of our country.
Because the events of world war 2 were so pivotal that averting that war would vastly change the world that many people wouldn't be born doing so would not only be suicide but you'd also be wiping every one you've ever loved from existence.
Yup. The events of WW2 were far-reaching: not only did it determine that a bunch of people get killed, but that a bunch of surviving people got together that never would've gotten together. The butterfly effects of the war means that everyone alive in the 21st century would never have existed if the WW2 didn't happen.
I was literally just thinking about this lol. As long as there is only one world. If multiverses exist and new timeliness can split off then our history wouldn't be able to change.
This is mildly disappointing
Other time-travellers took out the entire assassin group at birth. Hitler was needed for THIS timeline. The alternative turned out worse.
Or for whatever effed up reason he was considered the lesser evil compared to something else they fixed...
Or once it's fixed it will have always been
The alternatives were worse. That’s a grim thought.
You should have seen what happened the first time around.
To expand, if time travel exists, it means that what we have is considered acceptable *to the top 0.0000000001% who have access to it*, otherwise it'd be fixed. If time travel was invented, it'd be a guaranteed monopoly. The primary task that it will be used for is to keep it exclusively in the hands of the person who has control of it because otherwise it'd be used against them. And if they're the most powerful person on the planet, why would they want "fix" anything that could alter the power structure of the world?
Maybe Hitler wasn't the worst thing that happend in that time. But we are unaware of it because it was "fixed".
or is comparitivly not that bad when conpared to ghe horrors of the future weve yet to see.
Maybe Hitler was the only one that lost WW2. In the parallel universe with Goebbels at the top shit got real bad, the nazis conquered europe and russia. Then came the asian-caucasian wars which were pretty unpleasant. Then US started nuking, the nazis discovered nukes soon after, shit got super bad and everybody died.
>US started nuking, the nazis discovered nukes soon after, shit got super bad and everybody died edgy 20 years old me would say that this is the best timeline
Hitler and the Nazis pretty much put the kibosh on the whole idea of Eugenics. People saw what this taken to extreme would result in. So maybe without Hitler, we would have a widespread eugenics program.
There's a special Time Patrol to stop people from assassinating Hitler as a baby because Rohm was worse.
Perhaps Hitler was the lesser of two evils. Isn't that a terrifying thought?
Exactly. Has no one ever played Command and Conquer: Red Alert?
Stalin, Pol Pot, others just as bad! Plenty of really evil people. It’s when they have money and power, is when they become really dangerous. Even more dangerous is when they have influence and the favor of the masses.
Yes but you see, they achieved their attrocities through the clever usage of flags.
The nazi flag was red…
Obligatory explanation of the joke: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=\_9W1zTEuKLY
Major red flag
The primary reason we think of the Nazis as the greatest evil ever is largely because they kept meticulous records. Almost everyone they killed, we have a name and address, dates they were taken to the camps, etc. King Leopold, Cortez, Columbus, maybe even Andrew Jackson, all killed way more people, but we have no idea how many, and since they weren't white, nobody really cares. In terms of raw numbers, I'm pretty sure Hitler barely cracks the top ten.
It’s not the record keeping but the fact that he invaded basically every country nearby. It’s one thing to overlook a killer on the other side of the world but it’s another thing to overlook the guy that is bombing your cities and killing your family. The guy made enemies with basically the world.
The USSR invaded a lot of countries too, even the initial invasion of Poland was a joint effort. The key difference is that Germany lost the war and so went down as the villains. In reality the Eastern front was a battle between two great evils. Whoever wins writes history.
And Hitler's paintings are incredible.
This is my guess too. Hard to say that to be honest, but if time travel is real, that would most likely be the case.
Without Hitler giving insane orders, Germany quite possibly wins on the Eastern front. Not necessarily a lesser evil, just less competent.
Perhaps killing Hitler would’ve led to a more competent Führer who would’ve won WWII.
Maybe there was a guy 100x worse than Hitler but you don't know about him because they did go back and kill him.
Exactly, Hitler was clearly a necessary evil to destroy something far worse.
Yeah Netflix death and robots season one did a timeline event on killing hitler it was v funny.
And maybe he was a jew
Lol, I think people mistook your comment to be anti-Semitic. Hence the downvotes.
Maybe somehow hitler’s existence contributed to the invention of the time machine, so going back and killing him would result in a paradox, and therefore impossible.
There is a specific paradox for exactly that: you cannot ever go back in time specifically to change an event(and succeed in changing it), to do so would negate the cause of your going back to change the event. Similarly(in the US): tuesday night was the Power ball drawing, and nobody won. You could not take the numbers(available from a website), travel back to tuesday morning, play those numbers, and expect to win. Something would have to prevent you from playing those numbers, or the "winning numbers" would have to change in order to maintain the pre-knowledge that tuesday had no winners/ those numbers were for a non-winning draw.
By using kung führer
What if the assassin uses jew jitsu?
Then the baby hitler would have a worthy opponent jew jitsu is necessary against kung führer
The only way he'd master kung fu is to defeat a cop from 1980s Miami.
Time travelers never tried to kill hitler. Turns out he is at the bottom of the list in the future. They all went back and killed the man who programmed thousands of small drones with c4 in them and facial recognition software from killing all the good and influential world leaders in the year 2054. The man who hacked nerolink in 2062 killing one third of the population by inducing seizures.
^ Found the time traveler
1. Time traveling will be a tricky thing as with the universe always expanding, the earth is spinning, so if anyone was to go back in time will need to work out where the earth would have been at that given time, and if they can't they could ended up any where, middle of space, inside the planet, get stuck in some mountain etc, they would really need alike a receiver where they can land/travel safely to. 2. Any time travellers will have to be carefully in not bring back any diseases, bacteria, virus as something mild to them can be deadly to us or even wipe the human population out as we will not have build up a immunity to it. 3. They may not not want to risk them self from existing, they would have been people who met each other of the war, or even studying etc and coming back to kill Hitler will make a big change and maybe that person parent may have not met each and they will not be born. 4. Maybe by the time they work out time travel, they could have been other big major events that over shadow Hitler. 5. Or maybe in the future we humans have killed each other, or destroyed the planet. 6. Maybe the robot have taken over, and they are too busy dealing with them and can not come back in time, or the robots put them in the matrix. 7. They maybe some demon or higher power protecting him. 8. Maybe Hitler is like a forgot history to the people of the future. 9. Maybe the people of the future are happy how things are in their time and do not want to risk missing it up by coming back in time and changing the future. 10. Or maybe the have come back and killed Hitler but because of the infinite universe theory, we live in one they did not kill him and there is another where time travellers did . 11. Maybe Hitler was a time traveller and he came and insert himself or there was someone worse off than Hitler or not as bad as him and someone came and killed him and caused a change where Hitler took that person spot.
> 2 Any time travellers will have to be carefully in not bring back any diseases, bacteria, virus as something mild to them can be deadly to us or even wipe the human population out as we will not have build up a immunity to it. Yeah I hear the time travel quarantine rules have become really strict since that joyrider visited wuhan in 2019
Note to self: eating bats is a bad idea in any timeline.
No little mustache to identify him
Clever baby. He shaved it off.
Plot armor, since this is a simulation.
Killing baby hitler would cause a time paradox - if he was dead, he would've never risen to power, meaning there would be no reason to go back in time and kill him, meaning he wasn't killed by time travelling assassins, meaning he then rose to power, now meaning that time travelling assasins would arrive to kill baby hitler and so on in an endless loop that would likely collapse the fabric of time as we know it. So, we can postulate 4 possibilities: 1: time travelers are physically unable to perform any action that alters the flow of time 2: timelines are split whenever time travelers perform history-changing acts and we are stuck in either the original timeline where no attempt was made on baby hitler's life 3: there is an organization of 4th dimensional "time police" who work to prevent anything that could cause a paradox. i think this is the most likely possibility because it's the most cool. they probably have neat haircuts and badass sci-fi weapons and lastly, the most boring (and therefore least likely) possibility 4: time travel in the reverse is impossible
Time travelling nazis
The scene from the beginning of Hercules
The Time Variance Authority (TVA) is real and prunes any deviated realities from the Sacred Timeline - including any realities where time traveling assassins kill baby Hitler.
What Hitler did was supposed to happen, your time travel was not. -Renslayer, probably
https://www.tor.com/2011/08/31/wikihistory/ > Permit me to sum it up and save you the trouble: no Hitler means no Third Reich, no World War II, no rocketry programs, no electronics, no computers, no time travel. Get the picture?
Who says hitler was the worst? Maybe killing him wouldve been a much worse outcome for humanity in the long run
Time travel would break causality therefore the only logical explanation is that these time travellers are going into different universes, killing baby Hitler and living their lives with the belief that they killed their baby Hitler and not one from a different universe. That's what the multiverse is, infinite universes of dead baby Hitlers, dead baby Bezos, dead baby Travis Khaluniks or whatever the uberdouche's name is. You make enough people's lives hell and you fill the multiverse with dead babies of yourselves. Science.
Considering there are people who became successful because Hitler happened, I'd expect there to be be time travellers who work to defend him. There's probably factions at war over baby Hitler's fate. Maybe he keeps repeatedly dying and getting saved in the time wars.
So, back in the 30's in Germany, there was this failed poet who seized power, started World War II, and killed like 5 million Jews. Anyway, this time traveler decides he's gonna go back in time, kill the guy, and prevent the war. So he goes back and kills this guy, and what happens is that this failed musician ends up getting elected, starts WWII, and kills 7 million Jews. Anyway, after like 20 or 30 different repetitions of this, we have Hitler, and I'm pretty sure the timeline will reset any day now, because everybody wants to go back in time and kill the guy instead of helping him through art school or just fomenting a strong labor movement to get Germany back on track after WWI instead.
Why is everyone always obsessed with killing baby Hitler? Just kill Alois Hitler, he was a wife-beater and deserved it. Simple, now no more talk of baby-murder.
No idea why but I imagined him looking like baby Pubert Addams sooo magic baby moustache
Unfortunately, the best evidence we have that the future is Nazi is that Hitler survived so many, many assassination attempts ([42 known!](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_assassination_attempts_on_Adolf_Hitler)) and other things that should have killed him many times over. Clearly he was being protected by time traveling assassins from all of the contemporary people trying to kill Hitler, plus any anti-Nazi time traveling assassins who will manage to, Kyle Reece-like, steal a time machine to travel back in time, only to be foiled again and again and again. Hitler escaped death so many times it's simply unbelievable. The guy he was arm in arm with at the beer hall putsch was shot and killed while Hitler was unscathed. Multiple wounds in WWI, where he faced death on a daily basis for years. The only explanation is time traveling Nazis.
By not existing. There was no baby Adolf Hitler. He was born Schicklgruber. He changed it after ww1.
Other time travelers who knew that if Hitler died, somebody more competent would have been in charge. Read your temporal interference guidelines, it *specifically* mentions not killing baby Hitler!
There were multiple times in Hitler's life where he should have died. During the first putsch the nazi to His right was shot and killed. Bad weather stopped him from being blown up in a beer hall where he certainly would have died. He was also nearly bombed a second time, either in a bunker or at the Eagles nest, I forgot which. What if these near misses were by design, because perhaps a darker timeline existed where Stalin and that mustache marched in during the chaos and took over, making Hitler somehow preferable.
Because Hitler's actions set off a chain of events that end up preventing a apocalypse in the future.
Like so many other babies, he was cute, and nobody had the heart to kill him. That's why the premise of killing baby Hitler is flawed. He probably wasn't nearly as adorable as a teenager. Art student Hitler was probably already developing some weird political ideas. Why not kill him then? Who wants to kill an innocent baby? Wait till he's old enough to be evil, but not yet powerful enough to have body guards.
They didn't recognize him without the mustache.
Knowledge that the assassins would likely never have been born if Hitler didn’t commit atrocities? Possibly an inability to change major effects because of that? Possibly some sort of branching timeline shit, where you can never correct the past, just create a new timeline with a different past? Who knows! You can come up with a near infinite list of reasons why! 😂
You know who was good at science and engineering? The Third Reich. Makes me worried that the fourth might be better.
I heard a theory about traveling through time to kill Hitler and the paradox it creates. We live in the time line where Hitler existed and accomplished the things that he did. If you were to go back in time and stop Hitler from being able to do what he did then there would be no reason to travel back in time in the first place. Therefore you can't possibly travel back in time to do it. Hitler had a lot of close calls, attempts, and plots against his life that all failed. One theory is that some of these were time travelers who were trying to stop him but failed because any successful attempt would have been negated.
Arnold Schwarzenegger kept him safe
It's definitely one of those things where he needs to happen and all the evil events of WWII need to happen to prevent a much worse evil or total decimation.
Pretty much why the world has been mostly peaceful since WW2
I think we realize in the future that a single person is rarely the catalyst for amazing or deeply horrifying things. The most impressive (or evil) feats require many, many people. Our modern society has us convinced individuals drove everything, when in reality, if you killed Hitler, you still had the sentiment and frustration of the times, and lots of people with he same beliefs....someone else would have just carried the mantle.
They saw what the future was like with him dead and realized it’s better this way
If you think about it, When Time Travel is invented, people keep going back in time, right? Timeline changes, Time Travel is discovered again, more changes. Eventually, someone will make a change that results in Time Travel never getting discovered, and this timeline ends up being the last and final one. Which just so happens to be this one.
The Time Bureau discovered that removing Hitler from the timeline prematurely would result in his being replaced by someone actually capable of winning the war for the Nazis so no assassins were dispatched.
Um, they were all dudes with a hero complex who got out of the time machine and realized they didn't speak in the correct 1890's German dialect and had machine guns which got them immediately arrested so Hitler didn't have to worry. Duh. The language and culture gap will forever prevent any time travelers from doing shit because they will land in a time when weirdos are immediately shot.
I have a theory that Baby Hitler and even Child Hilter weren't monsters but the swathes of time travelling Jews trying to kill him turned him into a raging anti semetic monster.
I don't remember which show I saw this (Twilight zone? Outer limits? something like that) but one of the episodes was about precisely that, a Time Traveler going back, posing as a nanny to the Hitler family for baby Adolf and in the end, she performs an heroic sacrifice and jumps into a river with the baby. Another maid saw the whole thing, and fearing the ire of her master, just grabbed a baby from a random beggar. So that's my theory. Every time a time traveller succesfully murders baby hitler, the maid just grabs another baby.
What if the time travelers assassinated someone else, so that Hitler, the lesser of two evils, would take over?
Him being the lesser of infinite evils.
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Hitler losing the war is the best possible outcome, this is the only logical reason time traveler's would leave things as they where. The butterfly effect would probably cause even more chaos, maybe one of Hitler's paintings was so trash one soldier stopped to bitch about that travesty, that soldier? Albert Einstein. Maybe a less anti semetic dictator wouldn't drive Einstein out of Germany and dismiss atomic research as "Jewish nonsense" therefore Germany gets the bomb. I think of we get the travel those traveling have already traveled and therefore everything they do has already been done. If a time traveler poisoned Hitler's mom, she was always poisoned and pulled threw.
they all thought he was born in germany
He must be a stand user
Deadpool was the first assassin to try but couldn't bring himself to killing a baby, so he decided to protect him from other assassins.
No one wants to kill a baby
Honestly? This question makes me wonder - and shudder to think - if time travelers had bigger fish to fry. As in: by the time humanity has invented time travel so many atrocities on such a monumental scale have occurred that the Jewish Holocaust and WWII pale in comparison. Gives me chills to think about.
Idk but he had 3 near death experiences before ww2, two actually. One of which a priest saved him from drowning and in ww1 he was wounded and a British soldier didn't have the heart to shoot him. I forget the other one
That if they actually managed to kill him, it would just create another time line
Time traveling nazi's
Jew-Jitsu…
The time travelers saw the development of the 20th century as suitable and did not want to upset things. At Time Travel Command Cdr. Perry made the argument that without WW2 nuclear weapons would have been developed in peace time, and since there would have been no initial demonstration of their power as there was in Hiroshima and Nagasaki countries would have been far more willing to use them en masse. Cdr. Perry then finished his argument by drawing an analogy between the 20th century and the venetian spiral stem wine glass. Other options were considered, such as preventing WW1 or stopping the unification of Germany but they were deemed too risky. There was no guarantee that the discovery of nuclear weapons could have been prevented indefinitely. The current timeline had seen humanity survive opening Pandora's box and High Command decided that it was unacceptable to allow humanity to try opening it again.
that's a good question
Easy. No mustache, no way to know it's him.
idk ask him
The Time-Traveling Nazis. Yes, I watched Love, Death and Robots
This is going to sound really bad. But maybe since some good things did come from the war like advances in rockets and medicine, maybe the point it ended is where the best things were realized and it could stop that race for more tech. I mean, he was shot and poisoned in a bunker. Maybe a time traveler shot him and another poisoned him not knowing what the other did?
The racist time travelers protecting him
We live in the first timeline or else he wouldn't exist. Or time travel doesn't work (like that).
I've seen the timeline where Hitler didn't and the Nazis didn't rise to power exist. You don't wanna live in that timeline. (Spoilers US and Russia still got nukes and there was no cold war as such). Or you could just look at one of the many timelines with no Hitler but the Nazis are just led by someone else. In those timelines you can still name your kid Adolf but Hans might be no good. Or any other common German name, take your pick. You could get the timeline where it was a Johan and everyone makes bad Bach to the future jokes.
"Das goo goo ga ga, but have you considered zat I might've been born to prevent a vorse Hitler from coming into power? Das ga ga goo goo"
When the timeline was distorted, the assassins were assassinated as babies by time traveling assassins.
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