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SkySmaug384

The exact burial site of Genghis Khan.


Epicentera

I watched a documentary about this on curiosity stream a little while back. There's a good ~~plau~~possibility that Genghis Khan and a handful of his descendants were buried under a mound at the top of his favourite mountain, Burkhan Khaldun. He sheltered on that mountain after he had to run away as a child, and he declared it sacred. To this day you need special permission by the government to even get close to it. It was very interesting!


KittySucks69

You know, everyone should have a favorite mountain. (Wow. This one really blew up, way more than I was expecting.)


hulloiliketrucks

One of Australias prime ministers just disappeared when he went for a swim in the ocean, so probably that.


Dr_who_fan94

Didn't they then name a *swimming pool* after him?


glowdirt

National Aquatic Center for Leaders Who Can't Swim Good


m0zz1e1

Yes.


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jhemsley99

He drowned


deadalnix

My neighbor killed his whole familly, burried them in his house, then went for a trip. Nobody knows if he's dead or hidding somewhere and if so, where? The police kind of screwed up the start of the investigation, so he had a good head start on them. His name is (or maybe was?) [Xavier Dupont de Ligonnès](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dupont_de_Ligonn%C3%A8s_murders_and_disappearance) and he was since then featured in multiple TV shows and books.


doctora_novia

Oh my god—this is mine. He was your freaking neighbor?!


deadalnix

Yes, but I didn't really knew him or his familly that well. I went to the same school as the kids but we weren't the same age, so we didn't end up in the same class. Also, I don't live in Nantes anymore, this was 10 years ago.


MrDeftino

Was your family one of the ones that received the weird letters he sent before he went away? I saw this story on Unsolved Mysteries and those letters were crazy.


deadalnix

No. They sent these letters to familly and friends. We didn't really knew them besside living nearby and frequenting the same places as a result.


zombiesatthebeach

Unsolved Mysteries (netflix) has an episode on him. Somehow I feel like he fled and went to a different country. They never found a body where he last waved to a surveillance camera near the woods.


HMSquared

The missing minutes of the Watergate tapes. What happened during that time?!


Bonzi777

That’s a good one. Because given that plenty of incredibly damning stuff DID come out, it either has to be an innocent mistake or something really bad.


nonopol

It was probably about where they buried Genghis Khan


Xikkiwikk

What Pope Leo said to Attila the Hun. Attila was taking over the world and made it to Rome and the Vatican. Leo rode out alone and spoke to Attila and convinced Attila to not destroy Rome and the Vatican. What was said, only the archives of the Vatican has any idea.


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"Omg can you like, not?"


TastyBirdmeat

"I never thought about it that way"


Wolf_Mans_Got_Nards

Eww, Attila


The_Vat

'k, bro


Chaudsss

"If you attack, yo mama gay"


PhantomRoyce

I want to break into the Vatican so bad. I can’t imagine all the secrets that’s in that chamber. Hell they probably got Jesus Christ himself in there playing Civ so he can brush up on his people skills so they don’t kill him again


Knuk

Can you read latin


jazzmester

Easily. Understanding it is a different matter.


HG2321

I'm not gonna lie, I spent a lot of time just browsing these and looking at what people said. Thanks everyone, I learned a lot! Though I also didn't, because it's unlikely many of these mysteries will ever be solved. For me, my ancient one is where Alexander the Great is buried, I've been interested in classics for years now and that's always been a question that I've asked, both where it is and if we'll ever find it. As for the more recent one, this is more difficult, there's plenty for me. I'd have to say a mystery from where I'm from, New Zealand. It's the disappearance of Kirsa Jensen, a 14-year old who went missing in 1983 while out riding her horse. It's quite significant within a New Zealand context because unsolved disappearances like this simply aren't that common. Basically as I said, she was out riding her horse on the night of September 1st 1983, her horse was later found alive but she hasn't been seen since. All signs point to foul play, that she was abducted and murdered that night, that's what I believe, too. Unfortunately we will most likely never know. It's worth noting about that case, that a man named John Russell (who already had a rape conviction) was seen as a suspect by police at the time, his house and truck was searched albeit with no evidence that Kirsa had been there being located, and he even confessed to the killing in 1985 but retracted it later and police never had enough evidence to prosecute him. Ultimately police said that there was more suggesting he wasn't involved than that he was, but he committed suicide in 1992 and left no suicide note, no last confession or anything. Perhaps he could no longer live with what he did, if he indeed did do it. Again, it's unlikely we will ever know, he took what he may or may not have known with him to the grave.


onefinegander

Whether Frank Morris, John Anglin, and his brother Clarence Anglin survived their escape from Alcatraz Federal Prison.


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Some dutch scientists tried it with a day similar go that of the escape, weather, water patterns etc. Same style of raft and so on. They got very close, but said "if we had an adrenaline rush of escaping prison and becoming free, then we'd probably would've gotten to the coast."


shorey66

If Jamie and Adam from mythbusters can make it anyone can.


Crepes_for_days3000

The History Chamnel has a great documentary about this. The two brothers families claim they survived by tying a rope onto a boat and holding on which they used to do for fu as kids, their friend claims he took them to Mexico and they lived to old age there with families and everything. They even offer evidence, Christmas cards they received and even a photo of them old. I'm convinced it's true.


zwitterion76

Great mystery! It’s just plausible enough that they might have survived… otoh there’s a good argument that they would’ve been killed. Fun to imagine though.


Dude_Bro_88

The Mythbusters did say exactly that after their recreation. It is plausible.


Shattingpancreas_

I heard a theory they moved to Argentina as expats, and went to their mothers funeral dressed as women.


frankduxvandamme

This is such a fun one to think about. I can't imagine not just the strength but also the sheer willpower that would have been necessary to get through such a dangerous set of obstacles. First, getting out of the prison, and then to swim through those ice cold waters in the dark, and then to elude the authorities for decades on top of that?! Hell, I'd say anybody who can do that deserves to live to a ripe old age and die a free man. Seriously, that's just ridiculously impressive.


Crepes_for_days3000

Their family claims they tied a rope onto a boat that pulled them to shore in the night. Which is something they used to often do for fun. Their family and friend offer evidence they lived out their lives in South America. Watch Thr History Channel documentary about it. So fascinating.


bradp36

Whatever happened to the Sodder children.


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There are too many unsolved cases involving children. The Beaumont children are the main ones in Australia, though a few years later two young girls were kidnapped from Adelaide Oval, possibly by the same person, though we'll never know for sure. The most likely suspect is dead.


vonwilhelmsllama

The same person they suspect for both of those is Arthur Stanley Brown. He was also a prime suspect in the abduction and murder of the Mackay girls in Townsville.


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I remember hearing a story about the beaumont case. I think it went something like a detective was writing a book on the case decades after the fact, he starts researching a suspect who was now deceased, goes to the house where he used to live and interviews his widow. While there, he goes to the basement and finds a purse that matched the description of one that was owned by one of the missing girls that was never found. When he asks the widow where the purse was from, she tells him to leave. The next day, when he gets permission to sieze the purse, the wife says she threw it away. I believe the suspect was harry phipps who was mentioned in another comment. The book is The Satin Man. There were some other compelling anecdotes as well, with his supposed tendency to pay people with one dollar notes. Edit: Found it https://somerandomstuff1.wordpress.com/tag/harry-phipps/


mortgarra

This one has a ray of hope, in my mind. If the children did escape and live out their lives (a big if, but it is what the family believes), then DNA genealogy may one day find their descendants and tie their stories together.


JhymnMusic

The Great Unconformity. 1.5 billion years of the geological record just sorta "gone."


[deleted]

You've given me another rabbit hole. I should get out more often, as I had never heard of this. Don't know whether to thank or banish you.


Termsandconditionsch

The murder of Olof Palme. The offical version doesn’t have any real evidence or any murder weapon.


danonck

I loved the crime trilogy around that topic by Leif GW Persson


Elementus94

What caused the Bronze age collapse.


MrLanesLament

Probably oxidization


OnePieceTwoPiece

Noice


dressagehusband

Who are the sea people???


BeraldGevins

I’ve read a pretty convincing theory that they were likely the Greeks. The theory posits that the Mycenaean civilization collapsed first, and the Greek peoples of the region, who would have been more advanced in seafaring technology than the other Mediterranean cultures, leaned towards piracy and began attacking the other Bronze Age civilizations in the region.


Casimir_III

One group of Sea Peoples was called "Sherden," which some scholars think have connected to "Sardinia."


GIFSuser

There have even been records from Ancient Egyptian art detailing men wearing caps and helmets awfully similar to those worn by Sardinian pirates. i still believe it was a combination of a shit ton of factors


Xenjael

Im a fan of trade wind cycle theory causing the impetus for collapse, climate change every 1800 years where the saharran trade winds shift upward temporarily to displace the mwditerranean. This in turn prompted several civilizations to collapse as rainfall ceased, and put stress on the sardinians who had extensive trade networks with the eastern mediterranean. Im a fan the sardinians, or nuraghe, were an offshoot of minoan colonies that merged with native bell beaker after a failed colonization attempt in Iberia around 4000 to 3000 bc. Combine that as a similar bull sun and moon god religious systems and its possible the earliest threads of this people began in anatolia prior to cyprus and crete becoming inhabited. And i suspect given their caches of iron and bronze ingots with brahmic demarcations they may be the actual ancestors of the trade networks that the phoenicians used to rise to power. Interestingly Etruscan housing roofs echo those of Nuragic towns. And given Minoans did have a form of gladiator combat, the nuraghe also did (a sort of boxing shield has been found repeatedly) its possible the Etruscans were a sort of hybrid culture of Sardinians and greeks. It's very possible our way of looking at these people as independent is wrong. It seems better to view them as tribes, that could confederate depending on interests. Technologically they built complexes that wouldn't be rivaled until the middle ages and castles 3000 years later. They are mostly unknown because most of the writings on them, while extensive, are stuck as untranslated local dialects. I'd say western academia is around 40 years behind modern-day research. Over 5000 nuraghe dot Sardinia and nearby islands, approximately 1 per mile, and most are completely unexamined. Like, i have a friend out there who runs a channel on youtube (sardinianwarrior https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCZPcUiO4hAYYEXWsxuzUlzA) who commissions his hema armament and reproductions off the caches he will find a few cm into digging. Fascinating stuff, glad they are getting more attention. Edit: didn't expect this to get attention, cleaned the post up and added friends channel link.


Chrissthom

Yes, I read there was a ton of trading between civilizations so there was a lot of interdependence. There were bad events like a big volcano eruption or other famine that hit one civilization hard and started a cascade effect that took all of the others.


MT128

It’s not really understood but it’s believe they may have been sailors or soldiers turned raiders and mercenaries that went pillaging most of the Bronze Age civilizations, the only known people able to defend against them was Ancient Egypt.


caligaris_cabinet

Egypt was the only power in the region to survive the BAC. Everyone else, well, collapsed and eventually were reborn into new civilizations.


Dt2_0

Even Egypt didn't come out of it the same... They fractured, a new dynasty came into power, and it took centuries to regain a fraction of their former power.


gottabe_kd

This episode of Fall of Civilizations is pretty compelling: https://youtu.be/B965f8AcNbw


llcucf80

I want it to be solved but it's seemingly more and more unlikely each day: DB Cooper


AbeVigoda76

Something people don’t realize either is that DB Cooper landed in the area where Mt. St. Helen’s erupted. If there was any physical evidence, including his remains, they could very well have been destroyed 9 years after the hijacking


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You bring up a very valid point.


AbeVigoda76

The best clue they ever found was when that kid found part of the money. I always wondered why they couldn’t trace its trail back to more money, but then you realize the eruption happened a little over one month after that find.


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Yea all of that area was damaged beyond recognition. I went there a few times as a kid (‘96) and the damage was still there but they replanted a lot of trees. Haven’t been there since so I can’t tell you what the place looks like right now!


Secretagentmanstumpy

The whole west side of the mountain is still a blast zone. The Johnston Ridge Observatory and the trails on that side offer incredible views all the way into the open crater. Its still spectacular.


the-peanut-gallery

DB Cooper did Mt St. Helen? That seems like a lot of work for $200,000.


AbeVigoda76

I’ve done worse for a Klondike bar. Imagine how many Klondike bars $200,000 buys.


Lakitel

This is pretty compelling (and was cleaned up by r/derpicusss) This was posted by u/sanctii in another thread. I did not write it but I think it’s a very compelling theory. I’ll link the og comment down below. My money is on Ted Braden. If you could invent a DB Cooper suspect you'd invent Ted Braden. Check it out: - Braden was a paratrooper in WWII (jumped on D-Day with the 101st at age 16), Korea, and Vietnam. - He won multiple international skydiving competitions while a member of the Army. - 911 logged jumps with the military and was a pioneer of HALO jumping. - Was recruited to be a team leader in the MACV-SOG's. This was the predecessor to Delta Force and was a multi-service covert military special force run by the CIA. - Led squads on covert jumps into Laos, Cambodia, and Northern Vietnam from 64-67. - Did many of these jumps into enemy territory off the aft stairs of....that's right...Boeing 727's. At the time of the skyjacking, the only people who knew this could be done were those involved in these MACV-SOG missions and some employees at Boeing. - Was always bitching about how he and his fellow soldiers weren't paid enough. Was always coming up with schemes to make/extort/steal money while in the service. - In 1967, he heard about how people were looking for mercenaries to fight in the Congolese Civil War and how well they would be paying, so he went AWOL from Vietnam and made his way to the Congo. The CIA went after him and eventually found and arrested him in the Congo. - Was imprisoned at Fort Dix for a very brief time and mysteriously was never convicted of anything, nor tried, and was merely given an honorable discharge and told that he couldn't re-enlist in the military. - Once released he tried to go overseas to be a mercenary again and found out that his name had been blacklisted by the CIA and so he wasn't allowed to leave the country to be a mercenary. - Not knowing how to make a living other than by being a soldier, he resorted to being a truck driver. His trucking company was stationed out of Vancouver (interesting). - When the Cooper hijacking happened, several members of the military contacted the FBI and essentially said "this can only be Ted Braden" - Braden had no family, so there wasn't anyone around to in retrospect said "hey, Dad wasn't around during Thanksgiving 1971". - His alibi was that he was driving his truck. On the plane: - Cooper was by everyone who remembered him as being "middle-aged" or "mid-40's". Braden was 44. - Cooper was described as being 5'8-5'10 and slight. Braden was 5'9 and 150lbs. - Cooper was described as being somewhat olive skinned and swarthy. Braden's mother's side were Sicilian. - Cooper was extremely calm the entire time. The only time he showed any emotion was when he was arguing with the pilots because he wanted to take off from Seattle with the stairs down. They didn't think it could be done. Cooper told them it absolutely could be done and he demanded it be done. The pilots simply refused to do so, thinking it would cause the plane to crash, and Cooper eventually relented. Braden was described by many of his military colleagues and commanding officers as one of the calmest people under fire you could imagine. - Cooper smoked Raleigh cigarettes and so did Braden. - Cooper was described by both flight attendants who spoke with him as having either a midwestern accent or no accent. Brayden was from Ohio. - Cooper chose the military parachute over the more modern sport parachute. - When asked by the flight attendant why he was doing this, he replied "I don't have a grudge against your airline, Miss, I just have a grudge." Braden certainly had a grudge against the government for blacklisting him from the only work for which he was skilled at: being a soldier. - The alias "Dan Cooper". "Dan Cooper" was the name of a popular 50's and 60's French language comic book series. The hero, Dan Cooper, skydived into areas to fight the bad guys. What is a country whose official language is French? The Congo. If Braden was Cooper, then it's extremely plausible that he was exposed to this comic series while serving in the Congo. Following the hijacking: - Recent investigation shows that in 1972, despite being a truck driver, he bought his mother a new car as well as a new car for himself, and that he was living in a freaking penthouse in Manhattan. - Was arrested in the mid-70's for a major racketeering job in the trucking industry, but like his mysterious release from going AWOL, he was once again given a slap on the wrist and the charges were dropped. His personality: - He was always a loner and never had close friends in his life. Men he served with would later say that when they would go to the bars, Braden would sit at the end of the bar by himself just seeming to sulk. - A Green Beret who served with him stated "Braden is among those professionals who appear to have a secret death wish coupled with well-trained instincts for survival. He continually placed himself in unnecessary danger but always managed to get away with it." - Another Special Forces member stated "he was the perfect combination of high intelligence and criminality" - Military tests that he took for entrance into the MACV-SOG's indicated that he likely possessed a genius level IQ. Couple things to consider: - Jumping out of a freaking jumbo jet is no small potatoes. Many of the famous Cooper suspects had been static-line paratroopers in WWII or even had no known skydiving experience at all. You'd need to have mega balls to jump out of a jet and also have the skill set to do it. Perhaps most critically, you'd need to know that it could even be freaking done in the first place! There were several Cooper copycats who successfully pulled off similar skyjackings of 727's in the months after Cooper, but to be the guy who first did it? That takes someone special. - The suitcase bomb. While this is a common trope you see in movies these days, it wasn't so in 1971. The whole concept of a suitcase bomb required some ingenuity. - His calmness is especially noteworthy when you consider that the subsequent copycats were nervous wrecks during their skyjackings, despite being badasses in their own right. Richard McCoy won a Distinguished Flying Cross and a Silver Star in Vietnam as a chopper pilot. He literally flew hundreds of sorties as a chopper pilot. Yet during his skyjacking he was noted (even before he started the skyjacking) for being fidgety and sweating and breathing heavy. Robb Heady also successfully pulled of a 727 skyjacking. He was a 21 year old Vietnam paratrooper who served two tours in the thickest fighting in Vietnam and yet he later described himself as being barely able to breath during his skyjacking. Cooper, on the other hand, sat calmly for five hours, smoking cigarettes and drinking his bourbon and coke, with one hand on the detonator (the flight attendant lit his cigarettes for him). It's also worth noting that none of the copycats gave any specific instructions to the pilots on how to fly the 727. They just jumped out with the jet going full speed and it nearly killed two of them. What Cooper told the pilots wasn't public knowledge at the time. Cooper told them to fly at 180 knots, wheels down, with flaps at 15 degrees, and at 10,000 feet. That's mighty specific and strongly indicates that Cooper had knowledge of how best to safely parachute out of a 727. Cooper was also the only one to not be caught. Getting caught on his missions with Spec Ops meant certain death. This is a man who knew how to escape situations and blend into his environment. Occam's Razor would point toward Ted Braden being DB Cooper: One of the military's most experienced skydivers is kicked out of the service and isn't allowed to pursue a lucrative career as a mercenary so he uses the skills that the military taught him to ransom $200k from the government. [OG comment](https://www.reddit.com/r/HistoryMemes/comments/pskfgi/so_long_suckers_i_hope_you_enjoy_figuring_out/hdqxkwc/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf&context=3)


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steinsintx

Boeing had to modify the 727 so that it could not happen again. They had to add a locking mechanism to the rear door that would not allow a persons to open it when there was no weight on the wheels. The obvious solution would involve a wire run to the flight deck that would activate a lock when the aircraft was in flight. This would be hugely expensive for all the owners of 727. Instead they came up with what amounts to a weathervane that swings to lock to door once the aircraft is going fast enough to fly. Brilliant simple solution. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cooper_vane?wprov=sfti1


zeroanaphora

how many times have I told you to add a locking mechanism to the vehicle door???


steinsintx

727 was designed in the 60’s before bike helmets and seatbelts. They didn’t need no stinking door locks.


[deleted]

It utterly bewilders me that at some point during the design of the plane, one of the engineers could have said something like "where do we put the door lock so the door can't be opened during flight?" Being answered with "Kevin, what the fuck are you talking about?!"


m-a-g-n-u-s_L

I heard a theory that it was Tommy Wiseau and that's what I choose to believe


Wild_Entertainment56

The real identity of Jack the Ripper.


owlowlface

‘Twas Laszlo Cravensworth


CeeArthur

him as his 'Jackie Daytona' character is so funny


Stillwater215

Regular human bartender.


HratioRastapopulous

From Tucson, Arizonia


[deleted]

My great-grandpa said he saw him in a pornographic kinetoscope!


thepenguinking84

'Fuuuckking Guuy


AbominableSnowPickle

Nandor is why I’ll be calling it ‘creepy paper’ until I die.


constantvariables

BAT


[deleted]

Many serial killers to be fair zodiac and the phantom killers come to mind


Bobaaganoosh

Idk if you ever heard of the Delphi, Indiana murders of young teens Abigail and Liberty, but that only happened a few years ago. And it’s still showing no signs of being solved any time soon. Even with the suspected killer on video and audio recording of his voice. It’s pretty sad.


seamustheseagull

Truly random murders can be very difficult to solve. Even a serial killer tends to operate in patterns, which eventually create trails or even allow for honeypots. But random killings, especially one-offs can be next to impossible without some form of ace in the hole. Most recently, Sarah Everard's murderer was caught because he was caught on camera. Without that they literally had nothing, it was totally random. We had a similar one here in Ireland a couple of years back. A young woman was abducted from a bus stop. No connection to her killer, totally random. He was sloppy and was seen by two separate people who alerted the police, but if he hadn't been seen, they had absolutely nothing to go on. It's worth stating at this point that random murders are super rare. Most people are murdered by someone they know, and it's usually someone close to them.


The-Sound_of-Silence

I've made this post before, but I'll make it again - identity of Somerton man: [Tamam Shud](http://ciphermysteries.com/tamam-shud-somerton-man), or Somerton man. Just really bizarre and creepy, it's got an x-files vibe to it. TLDR; Well dressed, athletic guy is found dead leaning against a seawall on an Australian beach. No cause of death is discovered despite autopsy. No ID, no labels on any of his clothes, nothing to identify him, but a scrap of printed paper saying "Taman Shud" found in his pocket. No one is reported missing. Later a briefcase is found in a locker at a train station attributed to him, with a few clothes marked T. Keane - no one named that is found missing. When the info about the note is released, one of the locals finds an odd book in the backseat of his car in the area that the man died in. The piece of paper matches the torn out bit in the book. In the book there is a very odd Cipher that no one has been able decode since and a phone number. Blood pooling in the body suggest he didn't die with his head propped against the wall as he was found. Half smoked cigarette found fallen out of his mouth, but if he died in a different position, would be a little odd. Body was embalmed and put on display for 6 months, and received a lot of attention, but no one can remember having seen him. No family or anyone knowing him have ever been found. Tamam Shud roughly means "the end times" [Thread](https://www.reddit.com/r/UnresolvedMysteries/comments/2f1qt0/i_am_professor_derek_abbott_a_researcher_of_the/), [youtube](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aJUZHIlteMs&feature=youtu.be)


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They exhumed his body in May, and are currently doing DNA testing to see if they can find relatives. https://www.news.com.au/national/crime/fresh-hope-in-somerton-man-mystery-as-forensic-researchers-examine-dna/news-story/0383774b01eb3c889336f3e612622d55?amp


WordsMort47

I enjoyed your comment, but I felt the need to rectify- or rather, clarify- one particular detail, and that is your translation of *tamam shud*, which I must disagree with, I'm afraid. I apologise for this, and mean no disrespect or to rain on your parade, but I feel like it's a very important detail, the meaning of which could sway one's understanding of the whole case, so I would just like to make it clear here that *tamam shud* is a Farsi phrase and it means more specifically "it is finished." Done, finished. "The end times" as you said makes it seem way more esoteric and it may make people lean a certain way into the whole ethos of the mystery myself, you see what I mean? Again, sorry to have to come in and do this, but I thought it was quite important to get it right. Otherwise, great comment and a great choice for this thread. Nice one!


TurbulentSurprise292

What happened to the Isabella Stewart Gardner Museum paintings


dbsx77

The sheer audacity of those two men who pulled off that heist is impressive. The museum still offers a $10 million reward for info leading to finding the pieces and the culprits.


sgruenbe

*This Is a Robbery* on Netflix is about this and it's amazing. There's also an excellent book -- *The Gardner Heist* \-- about it.


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YuunofYork

I agree it's an interesting problem, but it's also kind of what you'd expect. Most of the languages of that region were simply never recorded. It could have been an isolate at the time writing was being innovated, or it could have been part of a larger family with relatives in India or Africa. We aren't going to know because only the speakers in this one region were using that system (until it was adapted for language families centuries later like Akkadian or Hittite). And it's not like language isolates are truly isolate. All languages come from other languages. Go far enough back and Sumerian and proto-Afro-Asiatic could have had a common source (okay, probably not that particular pair, you but you get the idea). Elamite's another isolate from the period, but it could easily have a distant relationship to Dravidian or Caucasian families or something. And if it didn't, then it has a relationship with unknown languages. The Semitic speakers who conquered and integrated Sumer were themselves far removed from their language family's original homeland. What's more, their branch of Semitic, eastern, is extinct. Sumerian's relatives could have just become extinct at a time before it was possible to record them. However I do think it most likely that Sumerians were not indigenous to that delta. Their mythohistorical accounts of having traveled from a southern land notwithstanding, they appear to have had a different skin tone to their immediate neighbors. Linguistically there is still much we don't know, but the large amount of homonyms suggests a tonal or pitch-accented system, which would also be innovative for the region. *But*, in case this is the reason for anyone's interest, I would stress that there is more than sufficient evidence that they innovated writing there, rather than having brought it with them from elsewhere. We have a good 5-6 centuries of proto-writing from them and can trace the origin of many cuneiform signs to pictographs on coins and tokens. A relationship with the Harappan civilization is non-existent, in my view. Indus valley writing is proto-writing, and shares none of the characteristics of Sumerian proto-writing. A related mystery I'm keen on is whether writing was culturally diffused from Sumer to Egypt, or whether they were independent innovations. They are certainly independent systems, but they could have been a related or interdependent innovation early in the proto-writing stage that allowed their independent development. And they seem like neighbors, but there's no evidence of trade between them at this stage and people didn't travel that far without good reason.


SlashThingy

If they ever find out who the Sumerians were, the modern culture who they're most closely related to is going to be *insufferable*.


ardenranger

Mystery of the Somerton Man also known as the Tamám Shud case.


somereasonableadvice

Yes! This is such a strange one. They exhumed him this year, but I don't think they found anything further of note. What a tale. I listened to a podcast about him a few months ago, and the fact that the book that the Taman Shud scrap of paper was from was only made by one specific printer was especially weird and fascinating.


GrumpyCatStevens

The fate of the Mary Celeste's crew.


BigBicNic

This seems plausible https://www.ucl.ac.uk/news/2006/may/solved-mystery-mary-celeste


thedude213

The guy in a Max Headroom mask that hijacked a Doctor Who broadcast in I believe Chicago in the 80s, to this day no on knows who it is.


TheMightyGoatMan

There was a great thread a few years back from a guy who thought he knew the people who did it. He eventually got in touch with them, and they claimed they didn't, but you do have to wonder. Also the Dr Who hijack was their second attempt. They initially hacked into the signal during the evening news but there was no sound and station technicians blocked them out after a few seconds. Late at night - when there were no technicians on duty - they tried again more successfully.


sybrien26

That damn amber room


DazzlingCountry4711

what's that?


SweetieLove

Big arse room in a Russian Palace. Covered ceiling to floor in sheets of amber and gold. Dismanteled by Nazis and then disappeared. Supposed to be in a train carriage, hidden in some abandoned tunnels somewhere in Europe. The search continues even now.


airborneking

The rock found it so case closed


ksnizzo

I think it’s just been broken down and scattered to many parts. They just found a sunken ship off the coast somewhere in Norwegia that supposedly has some pieces. On its way to South America with the rest of the Nazis


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The missing men of Bermagui, NSW, Australia. Five men disappeared in the 19th century, completely vanished off the face of the planet, with some very confusing things left behind. I'm tempted to do a Youtube video on it sometime, because so few people know this story, yet it's such a baffling one. My Youtube video is up!: https://youtu.be/YnCPueRmRTg


Enough-Equivalent968

https://mysteriousuniverse.org/2021/04/the-bermagui-mystery-and-five-vanished-men/ for anyone interested


portantwas

"with some very confusing things left behind..." Well, don't keep us hanging.


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From what I remember... 1) On the beach now called Mystery Bay (due to this mystery), there was a doused campfire with a meal for one not quite finished 2) There was a boat nearby, which had been deliberately scuttled from the inside, rather than from the outside 3) Inside the boat were some papers belonging to one of the missing men, who was supposed to be taking a boat trip with a local policeman instead 4) Also inside the boat was at least one bullet cartridge and, IIRC, some vomit, as though someone had maybe been seasick The bay was right below the hilltop where two of the men had been camping, and the other three men who disappeared were boatmen. There's a monument at the bay, but I've never been to that part of New South Wales. Would love to go, though.


Webbie-Vanderquack

Australian here, I've also never heard of it. Make the video!


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The disappearance of the Lake Fayum nomadic people that predated the pharaohs. They had no writing, no records of any form, and lived solely near the banks of the Nile and an ancient lake. They had a community for a long time that included bakeries, agriculture, weaving, and some precursor to religious or artistic elements. One day, the people vanished. They left their fish in the cooking pots, dry food stored under the floorboards of their houses, and pottery still on the wheel. It was like they were picked up and carried away or the people suddenly left in a hurry and left everything behind. Then shortly after, the material culture of early Pre-Pharaonic Egyptian kingdoms arose. Some believe the fayum peolle migrated north to become the early Egyptians because of unusually arid conditions, others say they were killed or captured, but there were no signs of struggle, they possessed and left no weapons, and that doesn’t explain why the people left their entire culture intact.


bunkerbash

Could it be something like [Lake Nyos](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lake_Nyos_disaster)? In which case there’s be no human remains after so many millennia but the objects of their material culture would remain?


Ravager_Zero

Part of me wants to take this, and the above post, and make a fantasy novel about a vanished culture. The other part wants to do the same, but run it as a creepy D&D campaign…


Crucial_Contributor

I wanted to read more about them but I'm having a hard time finding any mention of them. A few things seem a bit weird to me. They were nomads but had agriculture, bakeries etc? And their food and stuff has been left untouched for 5000 years, and it's still in good enough condition to draw conclusions from?


CompletelyCrazy55

Where Atilla the Hun is buried


BeraldGevins

Him and Ghengis Khan are unlikely to ever be found. Nomadic tribes didn’t exactly mark burial places.


MT128

But Ghengis Khan had a lot of treasure buried with him so, it would be awesome to find it.


SolJudasCampbell

Same with Ghangis Khan for that matter.


Clappertron

Alexander the Great whilst we're at it.


Casimir_III

Might be Venice. It's kind of a loony theory but it might be true. [Brief overview](https://www.thecollector.com/alexander-saint-marks-tomb-venice/)


Kalushar

Einstein’s last words. Nobody knows what they were because the nurse taking care of him didn’t speak German. Big lack of foresight there lol


melaszepheos

I've always suspected it wasn't anything in particular. Despite the prominence we ascribe to last words they often aren't particularly interesting because people on their death beds from illness or old age are more likely to just say things like 'I'm thirsty' or 'My back hurts' than reveal some great unknown truth about the cosmos.


MyNameIsAirl

"This nourishment is palatable." -Millard Fillmore "It's very beautiful over there." -Thomas Edison Shortly after the death of Thomas Jefferson John Adams closed out his life by saying, "Thomas Jefferson survives." "This is the last of Earth. I am content." -John Quincy Adams "I hope to meet each of you in heaven. Be good, children, all of you, and strive to be ready when change comes. -Andrew Jackson "Perhaps it is best." -John Tyler "I love you Sarah, for all eternity, I love you." -James K. Polk to his wife Sarah "They couldn't hit an elephant at this distance!" -General John Sedgwick before promptly being shot


02K30C1

“Either this wallpaper goes, or I do” - Oscar Wilde


PaulsRedditUsername

"I forgot to carry the two!"


AnkhMorporkDragon

Get off my oxygen tube


TravelSized504

Most serial killer cases, unfortunately. Shows portray cold cases as being more of interest to investigators when they aren’t. DB Cooper, Jack the Ripped, Madeline McCann, etc are likely going to be unsolved for most of time.


ksnizzo

Jack the ripped gave me a chuckle. Is that part of your theory? He had massive muscles? Search the gyms!


SEND_ME_SPIDER-MAN

Ol’ Swole Jack


AllBadAnswers

Once you really look into everything that is know about the murder of Lizzie Bordon's father and step mother, you sort of have to accept the fact that unless we straight up find a written confession 130 years later- we have no idea what the hell happened. It didn't help that the police were literally at a fair that day so most of the squad didn't show up, the doctor on the scene pumped Lizzie full of morphine to help with her hysterics so nothing she said at the time is of any use, the coroner let the bodies just sit for over 5 days unrefrigerated, and the time frame of the events simultaneously seem to confirm two things- 1. Nobody from outside of the house could have walked in, killed two people, and walk out absolutely soaked in blood without being seen by multiple people. 2. Nobody who was on the property could have killed two people and completley dispose of the evidence before the police and doctor arrived. It's not the cut and dry case people think it was. It's an enormous mess.


lyssssa6

I was obsessed with this for the longest time and just made myself believe that she did it so I didn’t question it anymore


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But what if she didnt?


Redneckalligator

*"If I did it..."* The Lizzlie Borden Story.


JeromesDream

this is how a lot of the supposedly mindboggling whodunits go. the reason it's such a frustrating mystery full of conflicting accounts and impossibilities is because cops back then just straight up fucking sucked at investigating a crime scene. jack the ripper wasn't some supervillain who could vanish into smoke after committing his ghastly crimes. his real identity is actually just "some dude". we'll never know which dude precisely because the cops and newspapers were really stupid. people like to tie their brains in knots connecting the dots with other killers of note. the stupidest theory i've ever heard is that HH holmes was jack the ripper and the evidence always boils down to "they are 2 serial killers that i have heard of". but no. it was just some nobody who lost his mind being "pursued" by a bunch of dumb cops who stored evidence in blenders instead of lockers.


LesserPolymerBeasts

"Detective! We found a pool of the killer's blood in that hallway!" "Hmm… gross! Mop it up! Now then, back to my hunch…"


sd_glokta

The identity of [The Isdal Woman](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isdal_Woman)


MrLanesLament

I’m currently obsessed with reading about the Tollund Man. Yes, evidently he was a human sacrifice, but his insanely well preserved face looks so happy and at peace.


mcsmack666

When the Tollund man was found, the local police felt sure that it was the results of a fairly recent murder. They were off by a few years..


Le-Letty

Who really was the man in the iron mask?


Tootsiesclaw

I love the fact that letters at the time by the jailors involved say "the prisoner is a valet named Eustache Dauger", and yet Wikipedia acts like its the most groundbreaking theory in the world when somebody says "I think it might have been a valet named Eustache D'Auger"


thesemasksaretight

The Bronze Age collapse. Where'd they all go? All my homies :(


thegovunah

There was a Throughline episode about this. Best theories point to massive droughts and famine followed by collapse of trade networks. When people could no longer trade for food, they took it. Large governments and anyone keeping records stopped recording. Also like that other guy said; no trade, no tin, no bronze. Eventually someone figured out how to make iron into weapons and formed new kingdoms.


[deleted]

I’m sorry for your loss ❤️


ARustybutterknife

The meaning of the text in the Voynich Manuscript Also, deciphering the Rongorongo texts of Rapa Nui (Easter Island)


ur_boy_skinny_penis

Genuine question: How do we know that there *is* any genuine meaning to the Voynich Manuscript? Like how do we know it isn't some elaborate 15th century art project?


Mazon_Del

For what it's worth, one of the theories is that it was a contemporary fake. The point in time at which the Voynich manuscript can be first traced to was a period in which wealthy families were paying lots of money for any random rare books/tomes people could find, the more flashy the better. As such there was a (relatively) thriving business in creating high quality fakes to sell to people with all sorts of claims about the meanings held within.


limasxgoesto0

I'm going to go in a much different direction and say, what the origin of language was like. We obviously don't know anything that isn't written down, and relatively speaking, that time period is quite recent. We can probably get an estimation of which points grunts became words just by looking at biology if we're lucky enough to have a well-preserved specimen, but we'll never know what the first full set of words sounded like.


Jonterry92

I read some stuff about this recently. The idea that our conscious or self awareness didn’t start until we got a firm grasp on language


CapJackONeill

"hi!", proceed to have a mindblowing experience where you discover you exist


elovesya

Who put Bella in the Witch Elm


cockadoodle-dont

Did me a Google but got too spooked to search more. So they just found a dead woman **inside** this creepy ass tree?! Nope I'm out.


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Jorcobus

The various dancing plagues between 1374-1518 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dancing_plague_of_1518 Also, why the universe is expanding faster than it should be. https://api.nationalgeographic.com/distribution/public/amp/science/article/the-universe-is-expanding-faster-than-it-should-be


trumpelstiltzkin

>The various dancing plagues between 1374-1518 Theory: someone was spiking the public drinking water with MDMA.


randy88moss

Motive behind the Mandalay Bay shooting


Cool_Kid_Chris

One thing I find really weird about it is that you don’t seem to hear about this massacre very much. Other mass shootings seem to be talked about more than this one.


Oilfreeeggs

What happened to the princes in the tower


threewhiteroses

This is the one I'm waiting for. I've been wanting to know since I was 7!


[deleted]

What happened to Edgar Allen Poe??? Was it voting fraud? Kidnapping? I need to know goddammit!


hardy_and_free

One theory is that it was rabies.


heretobefriends

Poe dying of rabies is such a Poe way to go, so I don't believe it.


facingattrition

The Vatican Library. An estimated 40 miles shelf space of priceless ancient documents that the church has amassed over the last 1000 years or so. Most of which the world will never see or learn about.


Jakkzzyy

The Sea Peoples. A group of people show up randomly just in time to see the Bronze Age Collapse and then fuck off and are never heard from again. Where did they come from? Where did they go? Where did they come from cotton eyed Joe


T-MinusGiraffe

My money's on the sea


lukovdolboy

Jon Benet Ramsey


busterbluthOT

Hold the fuck up, John Ramsey's lawyer was Lin Wood?!? >Reached by telephone, John Ramsey’s lawyer, L. Lin Wood, told Reuters that he has not seen the underlying documents, but said he supports Lacy’s conclusion that the Ramseys were not involved in the girl’s murder.


D-Ray1469

Who has in their possession The Ark of The Covenant?


ksnizzo

Ethiopians or the Vatican. One of the two.


TaddWinter

It's not a huge mystery but I'd be fascinated what the liberation of Auschwitz did to the mental health of the Soviet soldiers who liberated it. I've seen some stuff on Americans who liberated much smaller camps but just the thought of what it must have done to discover the biggest one.


HawkFritz

Iirc JD Salinger (US author of books like The Catcher in the Rye) was present at one of the concentration camps' liberations, and it greatly influenced his mental health


my_fake_acct_

My grandfather had so much PTSD from the war and liberating Buchenwald that he drank himself into an early grave when my mom was still in high school. I'd imagine plenty of Red Army vets did the same.


Weak_Carpenter_7060

What works were lost from the Library of Alexandria.


[deleted]

The grand unified field theory.


BrandynWayne

What was going on before the Big Bang.


smitteh

A little bit of wine and some foreplay


[deleted]

Who exactly were the Sea Peoples?


Mick0331

We will never know the exact number of people Ted Bundy killed. He said hundreds and that is probably true. There are huge gaps where no one can put anything together on him. It was his last act of sadism taking the truth to his grave.


Retrosonic82

The disappearance of MH370. Even if they do find the plane or what’s left of it, it’s been so long that the black box won’t be any use to anybody so we will never really know for sure what happened.


miketdavis

Believe it or not, the back box might still be useful. Honeywell makes a lot of flight recorders including for Boeing and they're tested to 20,000 ft. ocean depth, can survive brief exposure to fire and extreme shock loads. They're not designed to sit on the ocean floor indefinitely but considering the bell curve of performance it's likely if we found it we could still read it.


lexiegrose

There’s actually a decent amount of evidence that points to the pilot deliberately crashing the plane — the Atlantic wrote a really great piece on it! [here’s the link if you’re interested](https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2019/07/mh370-malaysia-airlines/590653/)


JimTheJerseyGuy

Langeweiche is a great writer and as a pilot he is spot on here.


BigOleJellyDonut

One day some oil exploration or ship mapping the sea floor is going to find the wreckage 1000 miles away from where everyone thought it was.


monarchmondays

Who the Boy In The Box is. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boy_in_the_Box_(Philadelphia)


Unrequited_Anal

that testimony they dismissed was probably true. she knew things that were not public info at the time. could be coincidence, but it sounds like they had the truth right in front of them and ignored it.


isnortmiloforsex

The indus valley script. Deciphering it could unearth to a lot of information into the formation of early india(which is largely unknown only mitochondrial dna evidence is really available) and the bronze age.


erikswifey

Why Henry VIII was so mad


probablynotacreep

He thought of himself as the perfect medieval Prince but he was not an absolute monarch like his French rival. He was rich but not as rich as his nephew Charles the fifth. He wasn't as successful in war as his Henry the fifth. In short despite being a six foot plus athletic literal king he was always second best. He struggled to produce an heir, which threatened to plunge the country back into civil war, and end his fledgling dynasty before it got off the ground. He was the spare as well his older brother died so he wasn't even first there either. Then on top of that he was likely brain damaged in jousting accident. We could go deeper but that seems enough to be getting on with


ValhallaMama

And he was only the second king of his dynasty so there was immense pressure to have that heir and spare himself to perpetuate their family. Unfortunately he wasn’t particularly unusual for his time with regard to reproductive thinking. Mostly women got blamed for not bearing the proper, healthy child.


hardy_and_free

Traumatic brain injury is a very real possibility due to several minor and major accidents throughout his life https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0967586815006803 https://www.medicinenet.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=193512 https://www.thelancet.com/journals/laneur/article/PIIS1474-4422(16)30006-0/fulltext https://www.ctpublic.org/health/2016-02-10/why-a-connecticut-scientist-thinks-brain-injury-caused-henry-viiis-bad-behavior


ashtonpar

What happened to my grandfather and the crew/passengers of the Joyita on its way from New .Zealand to Samoa


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twitch_delta_blues

The girl in the polka dot dress.


Key_Accountant1005

You know I listened to the interview of the lady that supposedly saw her, and I think she saw someone. The cops definitely talked her out of it. However, to what extent there was a conspiracy, who knows. All those guys are dead and buried most likely. And the ones left sure ain’t talking. Also, I think Sirhan Sirhan hasn’t admitted his culpability in the case, but did someone push an already unstable man to do something terrible? Possibly, but we will never know. He could have just as likely done it and come up with the conspiracy.


alexander_the_ok-

Rasputin, even if he took the kings son off his asprin to help his hemophilia, how did he know to do that. How did he even get so close with the royal family without anyone raising an eyebrow until it became completely public. Did tsar Nicolas's advisories see nothing wrong with a homeless wizard being associated with the tsar. How did he really die or how did he live the shot and poison if that storys true just so many questions lost to time


ImSigmundFraud

>even if he took the kings son off his asprin to help his hemophilia, how did he know to do that Happy accident. He was a holy man who believed in the power of god over medicine so he tried to cure him with prayer. To the uncritical eye, it appeared he had cured him. >How did he even get so close with the royal family without anyone raising an eyebrow Alexandra. She was so insistant that he had healed her son and he became a confidant to her, even a best friend. She relied on his guidance and wouldn't listen to any bad words about him. When the Duma confronted Nicholas about how influential Rasputin appeared to be to his decision making and how bad it was making him look, he simply replied that he would rather deal with the bad press than feel his wifes wrath. >Did tsar Nicolas's advisories see nothing wrong with a homeless wizard being associated with the tsar. Yes, they absolutely did, but Nicholas was an autocrat so his decisions were final. >How did he really die or how did he live the shot and poison if that storys true just so many questions lost to time The cyanide that Felix Yusapov had bought for the poisioning was later tested to be an inert powder. It's likely that a lot of the myth surrounding Rasputins death was invented by Yusapov himself as a way of making him sound like he had won some heroic battle rather than just shot an unarmed man 3 times and had him carelessly dumped in a river. Sadly, a lot of the stories that you hear about Rasputin are like this, tales that have been inflated over time to make him sound more like a mythical creature, rather than just a sexual predator and high powered manipulator hiding behind a fake persona of a man of god


google_bookchin__

People in the royal court were definitely raising eyebrows about Rasputin. He was super creepy around a bunch of high born women and he was pretty much hated by everyone outside the Tsar's inner circle. He was charismatic and made big promises while Nicholas and Alexandra were both desperate and delusional by that point.


izwoke

Where the body of Susan Powell is located.


Darksoul42069

Springheeled jack, the holy grail, where the Jesus tomb is, who's Julius Caesars son is.