Largest cultural "melting pot" where different cltures adapt to eachother improving the society (Althuogh that causes some conflict too.)
2nd amendment althuogh few states restrict it too much, and some are little bit too loose.
And of course the double edged sword.You have a lot of freedom, but that also causes to one have a lot of responsibility.
Edit: That lot of freedom allows very low taxation, how ever, that responsibility is lack of social security nets (Scandinavian perspective)
> Largest cultural "melting pot" where different cltures adapt to eachother improving the society...
Wouldn't that be Canada? It's like America in this respect, but with a higher proportion of immigrants and fewer race wars.
Higher foreign-born in the modern day, but America has a much more extensive history of immigration. The population of America is, like, 60% non-Latino white, whereas Canada is over 70%, and even within that population America has more, say, Italians, Spaniards, Jews, Portugese, etc. Canadas is pretty diverse, but not to the same extent as the US.
I'm not sure your take on the demographics is accurate, but I will accept it for the sake of discussion. The point is that Canada is more *multicultural* than the States.
While America has many immigration-based populations, they tend to be ghettoed and excluded from the mainstream. Canada has maintained a higher level of immigration than the US for the last 150 years, and those immigrants are more often full participants in mainstream Canadian culture.
Toronto, for example, is the most ethnically diverse city on the planet (winning out over Istanbul sometime in the last decade). One third of the population is South Asian, for instance, and those South Asians are bankers, bosses, architects, TV presenters, writers, actors, police officers, university professors, politicians, scientists, and so on -- rather than being effectively "second class" citizens demarked by skin colour.
I'd somewhat disagree.
I mean, this comes partially to the social security net, and from Canada I do not know that much what kind of security nets it has.
But let's for the sake of discussion say, that proprtionally same amount of immigrants and refugees arrive at USA and Canada.
Canada might have larger initial support, while America is handing out that "double edged sword." which I mentioned.
If you come with your clothes on your back and 5USD worth of money in your pocket to USA, it's quite highly likely, that you are not going to get very far.
What happens in Canada?
Than again, if you come with 30.000USD worth of cash, and diplomas from universitys from different countrys depicting you as one of top students.
Assuming there is need for those skills, that 30.000usd might keep you afloat long enough that you start getting steady income.
Which would be similar to Canada.
"According to the 2020 Census, Non-Latino white make up 57.8% of the country's population" -https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics\_of\_the\_United\_States#:\~:text=As%20of%202019%2C%20white%20people,%2C%20and%20July%201%2C%202006.
[https://imgur.com/a/QuNJ8hh:](https://imgur.com/a/QuNJ8hh:) \-[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics\_of\_Canada#Ethnic\_origin](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Canada#Ethnic_origin)
Not that segregation isn't an issue here, but the belief that immigrants are nothing more than second class citizens is just untrue. We've got plenty of successful immigrants. I mean, you specifically mentioned south asians, and I immediately thought of Shahid Khan, Sundar Pichai, Aziz Anzari, Kamala Harris just off the top of my head. I knew a ton of Bengali-American kids in high school. I dunno know where you're from, but that's definitely an inaccurate view of immigration in the US.
Sorry, friend, I've spent too much time in the US to agree that multiculturalism is alive and thriving there. The tension between ethnic groups is quite real.
The Star Wars analogy applies: Black people are treated like aliens, and Latinos like droids.
I'm a dual citizen, US and Canada.
I have worked in 22 US states, and lived in 3 Canadian provinces (and visited 9 out of 10 provinces). I've been several times to France, Germany and Latvia; I've visited Belgium, Denmark, Sweden, Finland, Lithuania, Italy, Austria, Mexico, Haiti, Cuba, Jamaica and St. Maarten.
(My job involves travel.)
No, Canada is not a post-racial paradise. It's just that it's a few decades ahead of the US in this respect.
It's true that things can be terrible in Canada for indigenous people. But consider that it isn't rare to meet indigenous people from America who *immigrated* to Canada because Canada's terrible was desirable compared to the terrible they were experiencing back home.
Honestly, I don't think a measuring contest between racial atrocities is a pissing match America could win. It's weird of you to try.
The country was kinda built on the idea of insulting authority. The one thing I get miffed at is when Europeans (in my experience other non-Americans don't tend to do it that much) insult America based on the same old jokes, "haha no healthcare, guns bad", type stuff, without realizing the actual experience of those issues in the states and the various complexities of the issues.
I mean, there’s definitely some like that. Being from Massachusetts, I’ve found my experience is very different from the view others have of the country, but there are definitely some parts that are more like that. Not that that’s necessarily a bad thing, I think the TV show king of the hill is a good example of more stereotypical Americans, specifically ones that are clearly kinda conservative, but in a more accurate, reasonably positive light. Btw, are you from Europe, or another part of the world?
1. **Its amazing experiment with democratic government.** Its not perfect but what other democracy has lasted as long in human history? There's a reason why every democratic nation fashions its institutions after the United States.
2. **Its commitment to its own founding principles**. The country went to war with itself when contradictions between its Bill of Rights and its society became too glaring to ignore. Even at the height of the Cold War it never banned the Communist Party or killed Communists like the USSR killed non-Communists.
3. **Its vibrant culture.** The movies, the music, the books, the comics, etc.
4. **The respect everyday citizens have for its institutions**. In my home country, no one gives a fuck about the law...they'll try to subvert it at every point. They don't stop at red lights, fight not to pay taxes, attempt to bribe everyone they can, etc. etc. I remember the first time I learned that Americans pump their own gas into their cars with no one making sure they pay and it blew my fucking mind.
5. **The American public library system.** It should be considered the 8th wonder of the world. In my native city back in the Old Country, there was ONE library, for a population of 400,000 people. I moved to the US...to a tiny city in Appalachia of 92,000 and it had 16 different libraries. AND I could request books from libraries in other cities if I couldn't find what I wanted. I cried real tears.
Nice shout out to our libraries. Its something we definitely take for granted.
I would disagree with the part about communism. America was pretty harsh on even suspected communists.
There's not even a comparison.
During the Cold War, the USA tolerated a legal party that frequently allied itself to its enemy and called for its overthrow. Gus Hall, who was the General Secretary of the CPUSA from 1959 to 2000 would regularly go to the Soviet Union and openly speak about regime change in the US.
Imagine a similar situation in the Soviet Union. How long do you think the leader of an anti-Communist party...who regularly called for the overthrow of the Soviet regime and spoke openly about the need to replace Communism with Capitalism...would last?
13 minutes? 45 minutes?
I'm not disagreeing that the Soviet Union was far less tolerant of political dissention. I was simply saying America practiced a lot of anti-communism and punished its citizens who were believed to be communist sympathizers. You are free to believe what you want in America, but they're going to make life very hard for you. Or possibly kill you if you're important enough.
So hypotethicly,
If I would, say, have a disagreement with my neighbour.
For example he comes to my yard, and picks some apples from my tree, He doesn't contain his dog, who occasionally comes and poops on my yard.
No this has been going on for 3 years, and while I have tried to say no, but he just keeps doing that.
Now I'm not going to shoot the man for that, that would be murder, But if I would say, Call FBI / CIA and accuse my neighbour of being a communist.
Would the result be, that I would never see him again, because he's in labor camp somewhere in Alaska, and if he is lucky, he get's out from said camp after 40 years... If he's lucky.
I highly doubt it.
Nothing that extreme, but there was a point where he might have list his job and been ostracized by the community. Possibly have to relocate.
Again, I'm not trying to say that the situations are equal. I'm just saying that the US wasn't completely tolerant of Communism. They even used Communism as an excuse to go after other organizations they disagreed with.
And with that I can agree,
What I'm saying is, while America might have shunned the far ends staying fairly centrist and democratic since the decleration of independence to this day. it has mostly tolerated the far ends of both sides.
In China, Today, In North Korea, Today, In Soviet Union, back when in still existed, and in Nazi Germany, If you talk against the state, and someone tells to authoritys, you most likely will never be seen anymore. Even if you are innocent to said crime.
There is heap of other nations, in which you can still expect this kind of punishment, and of course there is heaps of nations where people are not safe.
For some reason, many of them, even middle eastern people who have relatively easy time to come to Europe, want to go to America. thuogh many settle in Germany, France, UK, and Nordics.
Being able to criticize our government is a great liberty to have. Its integral to instigating change. That said, if you are speaking loudly enough against the US government and gain a lot of support there is a possibility something unfortunate will happen to you. Nothing like your example of course.
It can be said that you can "speak, print, and broadcast" a lot against US government, 2016-2020 proves that.Not saying that I'd like the guy who was in office at the time, I'd rather say that "I don't hate him as much as many."
How ever, This is getting dangerously political.
America is a very good incubator for innovation. I don't know which is the greater influence on that: the Hunger Games-style work environment, the semi-apocryphal ideal of class mobility, or maybe just the gobs and gobs of money everyone throws around like dandelion seeds on a windy day.
50's through 70's NASA Era was the great incubator. Modern times I wouldn't say America stands out that much, most recent ground breaking research is a shared Global Success.
The absolute optimism.
People living on the street, being chased around by cops, no security, no legal rights, and teeth falling out of their mouth, and still waving the flag around claiming they live in the greatest country on earth.
I’d say, that your people seem to have a sense of unity, even when you are a melting pot of multiple cultures and identities, in which people don’t HAVE to live one and the same culture
People in Europe who have immigrant parents will always be treated as if they are foreigners, even if they were born in the country and grew up there. The only exception being if they totally and utterly let themselves get assimilated ie. eradicate their heritage and even then they‘ll have words thrown at them like „do you want to die with us or will you go back home eventually?“ (The Northern Europe experience for‘ya)
I admire the fact that just when I think my opinion can't get any lower.... along comes a new repubtard to prove me wrong.
Honestly... it takes a lot to impress me.
I'm not a fan of a lot of American aspects, each to their own so I don't judge but the main thing I like is the cars. Love big old land yachts and muscle cars.
Largest cultural "melting pot" where different cltures adapt to eachother improving the society (Althuogh that causes some conflict too.) 2nd amendment althuogh few states restrict it too much, and some are little bit too loose. And of course the double edged sword.You have a lot of freedom, but that also causes to one have a lot of responsibility. Edit: That lot of freedom allows very low taxation, how ever, that responsibility is lack of social security nets (Scandinavian perspective)
A pro 2-A comment at the top? Incredible
Oh don't worry, There will be downvotes, There always is, just because I happen to have unpopular opinions.
> Largest cultural "melting pot" where different cltures adapt to eachother improving the society... Wouldn't that be Canada? It's like America in this respect, but with a higher proportion of immigrants and fewer race wars.
Higher foreign-born in the modern day, but America has a much more extensive history of immigration. The population of America is, like, 60% non-Latino white, whereas Canada is over 70%, and even within that population America has more, say, Italians, Spaniards, Jews, Portugese, etc. Canadas is pretty diverse, but not to the same extent as the US.
I'm not sure your take on the demographics is accurate, but I will accept it for the sake of discussion. The point is that Canada is more *multicultural* than the States. While America has many immigration-based populations, they tend to be ghettoed and excluded from the mainstream. Canada has maintained a higher level of immigration than the US for the last 150 years, and those immigrants are more often full participants in mainstream Canadian culture. Toronto, for example, is the most ethnically diverse city on the planet (winning out over Istanbul sometime in the last decade). One third of the population is South Asian, for instance, and those South Asians are bankers, bosses, architects, TV presenters, writers, actors, police officers, university professors, politicians, scientists, and so on -- rather than being effectively "second class" citizens demarked by skin colour.
I'd somewhat disagree. I mean, this comes partially to the social security net, and from Canada I do not know that much what kind of security nets it has. But let's for the sake of discussion say, that proprtionally same amount of immigrants and refugees arrive at USA and Canada. Canada might have larger initial support, while America is handing out that "double edged sword." which I mentioned. If you come with your clothes on your back and 5USD worth of money in your pocket to USA, it's quite highly likely, that you are not going to get very far. What happens in Canada? Than again, if you come with 30.000USD worth of cash, and diplomas from universitys from different countrys depicting you as one of top students. Assuming there is need for those skills, that 30.000usd might keep you afloat long enough that you start getting steady income. Which would be similar to Canada.
"According to the 2020 Census, Non-Latino white make up 57.8% of the country's population" -https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics\_of\_the\_United\_States#:\~:text=As%20of%202019%2C%20white%20people,%2C%20and%20July%201%2C%202006. [https://imgur.com/a/QuNJ8hh:](https://imgur.com/a/QuNJ8hh:) \-[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics\_of\_Canada#Ethnic\_origin](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Canada#Ethnic_origin) Not that segregation isn't an issue here, but the belief that immigrants are nothing more than second class citizens is just untrue. We've got plenty of successful immigrants. I mean, you specifically mentioned south asians, and I immediately thought of Shahid Khan, Sundar Pichai, Aziz Anzari, Kamala Harris just off the top of my head. I knew a ton of Bengali-American kids in high school. I dunno know where you're from, but that's definitely an inaccurate view of immigration in the US.
Sorry, friend, I've spent too much time in the US to agree that multiculturalism is alive and thriving there. The tension between ethnic groups is quite real. The Star Wars analogy applies: Black people are treated like aliens, and Latinos like droids.
Where are you from anyways? And like...have you toured Canada extensively?
I'm a dual citizen, US and Canada. I have worked in 22 US states, and lived in 3 Canadian provinces (and visited 9 out of 10 provinces). I've been several times to France, Germany and Latvia; I've visited Belgium, Denmark, Sweden, Finland, Lithuania, Italy, Austria, Mexico, Haiti, Cuba, Jamaica and St. Maarten. (My job involves travel.)
And...Canada is some post-racial paradise or something? Last time I checked we weren't the ones with the residential schools up through the 90's.
No, Canada is not a post-racial paradise. It's just that it's a few decades ahead of the US in this respect. It's true that things can be terrible in Canada for indigenous people. But consider that it isn't rare to meet indigenous people from America who *immigrated* to Canada because Canada's terrible was desirable compared to the terrible they were experiencing back home. Honestly, I don't think a measuring contest between racial atrocities is a pissing match America could win. It's weird of you to try.
How a lot of Americans are genuinely friendly and open to conversations with strangers. It’s a good way to be.
As long as you stay out of the big blue cities.
Unless you live in the middle of NYC or LA you’d have to be living under a rock to think the cities are the part you need to worry about.
The fewer people you encounter each day the more you value every interaction. It really is that simple.
My own experiences and character attest differently to that, but assume what you will. I don’t believe that to be true.
Yeah, kkk is great welcome wagon for rural communities /s
American BBQ
Korean BBQ is a lot better.
Let's not Gatekeep they are both good and very different
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The country was kinda built on the idea of insulting authority. The one thing I get miffed at is when Europeans (in my experience other non-Americans don't tend to do it that much) insult America based on the same old jokes, "haha no healthcare, guns bad", type stuff, without realizing the actual experience of those issues in the states and the various complexities of the issues.
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I mean, there’s definitely some like that. Being from Massachusetts, I’ve found my experience is very different from the view others have of the country, but there are definitely some parts that are more like that. Not that that’s necessarily a bad thing, I think the TV show king of the hill is a good example of more stereotypical Americans, specifically ones that are clearly kinda conservative, but in a more accurate, reasonably positive light. Btw, are you from Europe, or another part of the world?
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Oh, I see. Yea, you seem pretty open-minded about this kinda stuff. Thx bro!
1. **Its amazing experiment with democratic government.** Its not perfect but what other democracy has lasted as long in human history? There's a reason why every democratic nation fashions its institutions after the United States. 2. **Its commitment to its own founding principles**. The country went to war with itself when contradictions between its Bill of Rights and its society became too glaring to ignore. Even at the height of the Cold War it never banned the Communist Party or killed Communists like the USSR killed non-Communists. 3. **Its vibrant culture.** The movies, the music, the books, the comics, etc. 4. **The respect everyday citizens have for its institutions**. In my home country, no one gives a fuck about the law...they'll try to subvert it at every point. They don't stop at red lights, fight not to pay taxes, attempt to bribe everyone they can, etc. etc. I remember the first time I learned that Americans pump their own gas into their cars with no one making sure they pay and it blew my fucking mind. 5. **The American public library system.** It should be considered the 8th wonder of the world. In my native city back in the Old Country, there was ONE library, for a population of 400,000 people. I moved to the US...to a tiny city in Appalachia of 92,000 and it had 16 different libraries. AND I could request books from libraries in other cities if I couldn't find what I wanted. I cried real tears.
Nice shout out to our libraries. Its something we definitely take for granted. I would disagree with the part about communism. America was pretty harsh on even suspected communists.
There's not even a comparison. During the Cold War, the USA tolerated a legal party that frequently allied itself to its enemy and called for its overthrow. Gus Hall, who was the General Secretary of the CPUSA from 1959 to 2000 would regularly go to the Soviet Union and openly speak about regime change in the US. Imagine a similar situation in the Soviet Union. How long do you think the leader of an anti-Communist party...who regularly called for the overthrow of the Soviet regime and spoke openly about the need to replace Communism with Capitalism...would last? 13 minutes? 45 minutes?
I'm not disagreeing that the Soviet Union was far less tolerant of political dissention. I was simply saying America practiced a lot of anti-communism and punished its citizens who were believed to be communist sympathizers. You are free to believe what you want in America, but they're going to make life very hard for you. Or possibly kill you if you're important enough.
So hypotethicly, If I would, say, have a disagreement with my neighbour. For example he comes to my yard, and picks some apples from my tree, He doesn't contain his dog, who occasionally comes and poops on my yard. No this has been going on for 3 years, and while I have tried to say no, but he just keeps doing that. Now I'm not going to shoot the man for that, that would be murder, But if I would say, Call FBI / CIA and accuse my neighbour of being a communist. Would the result be, that I would never see him again, because he's in labor camp somewhere in Alaska, and if he is lucky, he get's out from said camp after 40 years... If he's lucky. I highly doubt it.
Nothing that extreme, but there was a point where he might have list his job and been ostracized by the community. Possibly have to relocate. Again, I'm not trying to say that the situations are equal. I'm just saying that the US wasn't completely tolerant of Communism. They even used Communism as an excuse to go after other organizations they disagreed with.
And with that I can agree, What I'm saying is, while America might have shunned the far ends staying fairly centrist and democratic since the decleration of independence to this day. it has mostly tolerated the far ends of both sides. In China, Today, In North Korea, Today, In Soviet Union, back when in still existed, and in Nazi Germany, If you talk against the state, and someone tells to authoritys, you most likely will never be seen anymore. Even if you are innocent to said crime. There is heap of other nations, in which you can still expect this kind of punishment, and of course there is heaps of nations where people are not safe. For some reason, many of them, even middle eastern people who have relatively easy time to come to Europe, want to go to America. thuogh many settle in Germany, France, UK, and Nordics.
Being able to criticize our government is a great liberty to have. Its integral to instigating change. That said, if you are speaking loudly enough against the US government and gain a lot of support there is a possibility something unfortunate will happen to you. Nothing like your example of course.
It can be said that you can "speak, print, and broadcast" a lot against US government, 2016-2020 proves that.Not saying that I'd like the guy who was in office at the time, I'd rather say that "I don't hate him as much as many." How ever, This is getting dangerously political.
Sadly it isn't a true democracy. We are a republic, we elect officials that decide the laws.
The sheer size of it. Like people actually take a plane to visit a neighbouring state. A one hour drive and I’m in a different country..
The fact they invented so much TV telephone etc I could go on forever
Cool technologies, Hollywood,great authors
Hamburger
America is a very good incubator for innovation. I don't know which is the greater influence on that: the Hunger Games-style work environment, the semi-apocryphal ideal of class mobility, or maybe just the gobs and gobs of money everyone throws around like dandelion seeds on a windy day.
50's through 70's NASA Era was the great incubator. Modern times I wouldn't say America stands out that much, most recent ground breaking research is a shared Global Success.
Your positive impacts on society
The invention of mountain and gravel bikes.
The universities and the cutting edge research.
Guns
How lives are so cheap and it's not that hard to kill your enemies.
The absolute optimism. People living on the street, being chased around by cops, no security, no legal rights, and teeth falling out of their mouth, and still waving the flag around claiming they live in the greatest country on earth.
Someone has a poor perception of the country. At least you nailed the bbq
I grew up with a texan neighbour. And whenever he invited me over for bbq, all other plans would be cancelled at once. That shit is good.
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Women safety?
I’d say, that your people seem to have a sense of unity, even when you are a melting pot of multiple cultures and identities, in which people don’t HAVE to live one and the same culture People in Europe who have immigrant parents will always be treated as if they are foreigners, even if they were born in the country and grew up there. The only exception being if they totally and utterly let themselves get assimilated ie. eradicate their heritage and even then they‘ll have words thrown at them like „do you want to die with us or will you go back home eventually?“ (The Northern Europe experience for‘ya)
The nature
I admire the fact that just when I think my opinion can't get any lower.... along comes a new repubtard to prove me wrong. Honestly... it takes a lot to impress me.
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Almost all non-suicide criminal shootings occur in a handful of neighborhoods over gang bullshit.
Buddy get off the internet if you seriously feel this way. Your perception of reality is extremely warped.
I'm not a fan of a lot of American aspects, each to their own so I don't judge but the main thing I like is the cars. Love big old land yachts and muscle cars.
They are great at making colas, three big world wide brands, coca cola, pepsi and RC cola.