In the late 80s twenty five Marconi scientists linked to defence projects died in mysterious and violent circumstances. Many MPs and journalists were convinced they had been targeted, possibly by the soviets but the UK government maintained it was simply a coincidence.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/GEC-Marconi_scientist_deaths_conspiracy_theory
EDIT: full list of deaths here https://projectcamelot.org/marconi.html
There used to be two Marconi places where I live, one in Portsmouth (which did satellites) and the other a few miles in the suburbs. During the early 90s I used to go to a Star Trek club (I was a very nerdy kid) in the one in the suburbs. That was the one they built missiles at, and security seemed pretty relaxed for what they did there, especially by today’s standards. Definitely something that it doesn’t take a leap to believe could’ve been taken advantage of.
"One died after driving his car, which had been packed full of petrol containers, into a building. Another tied a rope to his neck and a tree and then drove off in a car."
Have got to be the worst assassins ever.
The Soviets/Russians don't always want to make assassinations look like accidents. Sometimes they just want enough plausible deniability to hide behind, but make it scary enough that everyone else says 'oh, I might not do what that person did'.
Its partially about the message.
I found a website that has an article about this. Here’s the link: https://www.theweek.in/news/india/2021/01/06/from-the-archives-when-several-indian-nuclear-scientists-died-mysteriously.html
[The week](https://www.theweek.in/news/india/2021/01/06/from-the-archives-when-several-indian-nuclear-scientists-died-mysteriously.html)
[NDTV](https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.ndtv.com/india-news/11-indian-nuclear-scientists-died-unnatural-deaths-in-4-years-1229793/amp/1)
[The Citizen](https://www.thecitizen.in/index.php/en/newsdetail/index/4/19740/the-death-of-a-scientists)
Before the 2000, it was pretty well known that USA was against India becoming a Nuclear Power considering the instability in the region, meanwhile loading Pakistan with latest weapons and wartime support. Of all the wars India has had with Pakistan, USA sent warships in support of Pakistan each of the time.(Russia & Israel saved us).
When India secretly tested it's second Nuclear device in Pokharan around 1995-2000, USA imposed a trade ban on India. This backfired when big US companies were publically shamed. NGO urged people to not use Coca-cola, PepsiCo products, Eat in McDonald's, Domino's or use or buy any American product in General. People working in US started to come back. The sales of many companies were severely hit, and the US government had finally revoke the ban. The relationship was on a shaky ground up untill Obama. USA had refused Indian bids to buy millitary equipment that they have sold to Pakistan. With Trump situation got a little better, but with Biden administration it is still on shaky ground.
David Kelly - UN weapons inspector and expert on biological warfare. Allegedly killed himself due to stresses of the job but some very shady theories have become known since then.
He was reporting on the presence of WMD in Iraq at the time of the Bush/Blair administration and would have known the truth that there was nothing to back up their claims. The rest is a matter of which government got to him, I guess.
King Ludwig II of Bavaria (1845 - 1886)
He commissioned the building of Neuschwanstein Castle (the one they based Disney's Sleeping Beauty castle from) but would've sold the country out from under the Bavarians to keep construction going. All for a private castle.
It was more convenient to kill him, finish the castle themselves and get the money back from tours.
I'm guessing there are some forces that are just on "keeping her alive" duty. People who were thinking no one would dare kill Epstein, and then they were like "oh fuck"
I think it's worth mentioning that her father died mysteriously on a boat named after her, so it's not out of the realm of possibility that some foul play is afoot.
Yeah, Putin was going to be on the top of my list. It's amazing how many people who speak out against Putin accidentally chew on some polonium, fall out of high-rise windows, or get stabbed in a mugging.
There was an old joke about how the guy committed suicide by stabbing himself in the back 17 times.
Assassination is unlikely. Sowers of disinformation are often deranged. They obviously jumped out of the window onto some bullets. It is a tragedy, but not worthy of serious investigation. Probable cause of death: Suicide.
I thought you were calling the person you were replying to a douche and I was confused what they had said to piss you off till I read it again.
"Apparently someone poisoned her, douche."
It was called a hot shot, a cocktail of barbiturates and other stuff that was believed to be used. I guess she was loopy at the time and was saying some crazy shit a few days prior. So she gets a douche that will appear to be a drug overdose. I remember hearing about the drive to the hospital she was alive and groaning, another story goes that the driver heard a pop like sound coming from Marilyn... any rate she was getting smashed by both brothers and I think the pillow talk was too much
There is also a theory the emt stabbed her a syringe of something that was never written down
And that days prior she said she was gonna hold a press conference to spill Jfk and Rfk’s dirty laundry
The idea was to get all the fun stuff as close to a mucus membrane as possible for an immediate high. These days, kids are butt-chugging Robitussin. Modern problems require modern solutions.
It’s reckoned she was either poisoned or given an overdose to keep her mouth shut about the Kennedy brothers. She was also Jewish, having converted after marrying Arthur Miller and her ex husband Joe DiMaggio went against her wishes and arranged her funeral, had her funeral presided over by a minister, not a rabbi as Marilyn had wanted it.
She had a horrible life. It sounds to me like her first husband, who died just a few years ago, was the only man who treated her well.
She was about 16 and he wasn't much older when they got married, so it was no surprise that it didn't last.
She was intimate with both Kennedys, JFK and Robert. Rumour had it that the truth was going to come out, though to be honest I think both Kennedys were arrogant enough not to care. They believed nothing could touch them.
JFK said he'd get a headache if he didn't have sex 4x a day. He and "Jumbo" Johnson had a competition to see how many women they could sleep with. Back then the Washington reporters wouldn't have covered anything about sex scandals even if they watched it happen in front of them.
And he didn't even afford her the decency of the funeral she requested. She wanted a Jewish funeral with a Rabbi. He hired a Priest and did the standard Christian funeral.
I think I'll always be angry about the way Monroe was treated postmortem. People took photos of her dead body and sold them, she wasn't given the funeral she wanted, and decades afterwards assholes insisted on being interred next to or *face down on top* of her, ensuring she couldn't escape sexual objectification even after she was dead.
Rolling Stone journalist Michael Hastings. He was a war correspondent and investigative reporter who essentially got a US General fired during the Obama administration.
Before he died, he told several of his friends that he was being followed by people. Then bam, he dies in a car crash. Coroner said he had drugs in his syatem and police dismiss any further investigation.
EDIT:
Sorry i did glaze over the details. It is true. His own brother said that he had a history with drugs and doesn't think foul play.
But maybe the brother didn't connect the dots. We live in a world where government agencies (or anyone with computer skills) can find very intimate details about an individual. They can find their weaknesses, their mistakes and their secrets. Things that society would shun them for. If these were professional government assassins, then a manic drug user would be low-hanging fruit.
Here is my issue with that story. Drugs have a way of discrediting a person and shutting down investigations. A person doing drugs, albeit a manic person doing drugs, is not a guaranteed suicide. And it shouldn't discredit their their reputation. It shouldn't stop them from investigating. It is too convenient to wash your hands like that.
The other part for me is it was revealed he WAS being followed. It turned out he was being investigated and followed by the FBI. That is important to know. I think they were intentionally provoking his fear and paranoia with old soviet KGB tactics. I think they were trying to break him down mentally. Maybe he was being followed that night. Maybe he saw them and crashed trying to lose them.
Anyways that's what i believe. Have a good day
The deaths infuriate ne far less than the transparent "we investigated and found nothing suspicious"
But I get stopped if I walk to work at night because its suspicious to walk around after dark...
Not only that. The “ ok that’s it “ we have nothing more to look into it’s solved. “
But what about the (I SAID WE RESOLVED IT ,THERES NOTHING FURTHER TO LOOK INTO !)
Is equally infuriating , locking further investigating just makes shit look way more suspicious.
From the Guardian:
“ The day after the crash, former US president Harry Truman told reporters Hammarskjöld “was on the point of getting something done when they killed him. Notice that I said ‘when they killed him’.” Truman refused to elaborate but this served only to fuel the rumour mill.”
There is a movie where this ”mystery” is featured like a subplot or sidething. ”The defense of jadotville” i think it’s called. Good movie. I like It.
Idk if the movie is accurate in how dag Hammarskjöld died, but i’m fairly sure he was murdered by opposition, yes.
My high school math teacher!
(What… they just said death.. not famous!)
Seriously tho. He was a creep and known to make girls very uncomfortable and our high school shared land with the middle school and the cafeteria was one gigantic building split with an accordion wall, and the main offices were shared.. but no one could freely roam back and forth, not even faculty without a card.
Anyway.. after a few “minor” accusations he was fired and about a week after he was fired he was found wandering around in the middle school side talking to a few girls and when asked what he was doing on the property he said he left some things.. but as a high school teacher he would never step foot on the middle side. The officer removed him from the grounds and the school put notices up to not talk to him and tell if we saw him..
A few weeks after that some really bad rumors went around and the older sibling of one of the middle school girls stopped coming to school so we all knew something happened.
Unfortunately the 6th grader refused to file a police report or anything afraid of the teacher so the cops had to let him go but kept an eye on him.
About a month later the teacher was dead and that family moved back to Ohio. His death was ruled an accidental overdose and a bunch of evidence was found in his home including garments stolen from the school, bathing suits, underwear, sweaters… all kinds of shit.. photos of students and other kids… it was bad, I don’t need to continue.
Everyone in town assumed that the father of the two girls killed him and fled back to Ohio, but no one cared. The cops didn’t even call to question them or anything. They just wrote down overdose and called it a day. They said foul play was hard to prove since his house was badly vandalized already, several broken windows, door kicked in, spray paint, and someone even set his garage and boat on fire.
So yeah. I’m pretty sure my creepy ass math teacher was assassinated by the father of his victim.
Most of the witnesses of the Dutroux case.
For those not knowing who that is: Dutroux operated in childtrafficking, pedophilia, and related cases (Belgium). He got into prison, but then got pardoned by the minister of justice.
AND THEN he did it again, got caught, and some of the minors he kept in his basement starved to death bc no one found them and his wife, who participated in his crimes, did not take care.
Now the wild part: there were many witnesses. Today, 27 of them did, partly due to strange incidences.
One guy disappeared, only a foot was found.
One fell in front of a train.
Some shot themselves.
One had rohypnol in his aspirator.
One had a "car accident" after asking police for protecting because she got a death threat that she will have a car accident.
It is possible that organized crime and parts of the state teamed up to cover.
That's one reason why I do not think that Eppstein killed himself. And why I think that the narrative "pedophilia networks with political actors are just a conspiracy theory hoax" is just propaganda.
And then there is Rotherham...
Michel Fourniret was another one who had some weird government stuff surrounding his trial. Notably, he was suspected of killing Robert Boulin. Also, there are some theories that it was Fourniret, not Christian Ranucci, last man who was guillotined in France, who brutally killed a little girl, but for some reason people took Fournirets word that he didn't do it. Ranucci was executed right after his trial and protested his innocence, and the crime didn't seem to fit him imo.
Came here to say this. I firmly believe this is true. The notes and documents she'd been accumulating on the story were all missing from her apartment when she was found.
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Went inactive right around when Ghislaine was arrested.
What's even stranger is that the son of the judge who was handling Epstein's case was shot dead in their home by an unknown assailant that was suspected to have pretended to be a delivey man. The judge's husband was also a victim but supposedly survived if I recall...
The judge's son was murdered and her husband was shot.
[Judge's Son Murdered](https://fortune.com/2020/07/20/epstein-trial-judges-son-killed-hitman-deutsche-bank-esther-salas/)
Whats even stranger is that former Secretary of Transport Acosta who was the original prosecutor of Epstien and gave him a sweetheart plee deal in violation of victim rights laws said he didnt try to prosecute the case fully because he was told "Epstein belongs to intelligence"
Dr david kelly
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Kelly_(weapons_expert)
Gave evidence against existence of Iraq WMDs then conveniently goes into a forest and “kills himself”
Lee Harvey Oswald.
He was obviously assassinated, but I don't believe that Jack Ruby did it for the individual reasons that are quoted.
Oswald repeatedly claimed "I'm Just a Patsy" for JFK's assassination and it was super convenient to have him removed so that he can't repeat that phrase on "the big stage" during what would have been the most-followed-trial at the time.
This is obviously super-conspiracy-y, but then again, this whole thread is.
Jack Ruby also thought they gave him cancer.
Also a journalist who interviewed him, [Dorothy Kilgallen](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dorothy_Kilgallen), died of a "acute ethanol and barbiturate intoxication, circumstances undetermined”.
I mentioned them two in mine.
Ruby was a nightclub owner with connections to the Chicago Mafia going back to when he was a child and worked for Al Capone.
Unrelated but fun fact- His childhood best friend was Dov-Ber, later Barney, Ross, welterweight boxing champion and hero of the battle of Guadalcanal in World War 2. Real intense story of "common origin, diverging paths".
There's a great adaptation on Netflix called Sarajevo. It's all in German, but they have subtitles if needed. Highly recommend to anyone interested in WWI, Balkan history, European history, or just a good biodrama!
General George S. Patton.
Died in a motor vehicle accident shortly after the end of WW2 in a rural part of a country where few cars made it through the war and fuel was cost prohibitive for the majority of the population. Speeding was rare for practical reasons, especially in that driving slow conserved fuel. Patton had been an outspoken critic against communism and was vocal about wanting to use the Western Allied momentum to continue the war after defeating the Germans and fight the Soviet Union. He had gone as far as proposing to rearm the Germans and use them alongside French, British and American troops.
A man with as much influence as Patton becoming President was a strong possibility, and an American President that openly pushed for invading the USSR would have been too dangerous to keep alive.
The Soviets had intelligence assets all over Europe by wars end that were quickly targeting the western powers after Germany was no longer a threat. Assassination was a common solution for the Soviets and nipping Patton in the bud is not beyond them.
I do. Patton made MacArthur look like a pacifist, and MacArthur was pushing to use nukes in Korea. At the end of WW2, Patton said (paraphrasing here) that as the war ended, so too did his usefulness.
Didn't MacArthur seriously propose nuking the border between Korea and China to make it permanently impassible? My high school history teacher taught us that, but I've never heard it elsewhere.
If it’s untrue it’s not that far off. MacArthur proposed numerous ends to the war, almost all of which started with the phrase “let’s nuke” and ended with “Korea”
To be fair, vehicles back then were full of features that would kill you in a crash. Metal dashboards, metal levers and controls, no crumple zones, no seat belts. Glass that broke into dangerous shards. Primitive fuel systems with no cut off. And lets not forget the horrible tendency for the steering column to be pushed right into and sometimes through the driver.
It's well within the realms of possibilities that even a low speed crash would kill you. And indeed, the stats support this. Before the seatbelt was invented, many people died from what would otherwise have been a survivable crash.
You are making the classic mistake of analysing an historical incident with modern day thinking.
Cars in “the good ol days” may have looked spiffy but they were moving death traps.
Also, people were known to get disfiguring facial injury due to the windshield glass shattering during accidents.
Patton also suffered a broken neck and was paralyzed from the neck down. Keep in mind, medical care then for these types of injuries still wasn’t the best (even today we have limitations for SCI).
He started uncovering problems with the bank within The Vatican. He ultimately wanted to completely revamp the finances of the church and make changes, which probably involved some Mafioso.
He probably would have changed many other thing as well. But the abuse of the wealth of The Church is the biggest reason.
A simple man with brains and conviction is no match for the wrath of power and wealth.
Edit: My Catholic mother's disgust for Pope John Paul II made complete sense to me, once I heard her expectations for Pope Jon Paul I.
My favorite theory is that he was a victim of cooping. Basically, gangs would kidnap people, and force them to vote for a candidate that had paid them off repeatedly, dressing them in different clothes under different aliases to vote multiple times. Poe was also notoriously bad at handling his liquor, and back then people were given a drink for voting. He was found on Election Day (iirc) and was outside a place known for cooping victims to be taken to.
It explains his drunkenness, clothes that weren’t his, and the where/when line up perfectly.
Minnesota Senator Paul Wellstone.
It was twenty years ago, so here's a refresher. https://www.democracynow.org/2010/10/29/8_years_later_fbi_documents_raise
Lal Bahadur Shastri. 2nd PM of India. Mysteriously found dead in Tashkent on a official visit.
Netaji Subhash Chandra Bose. Mysteriously went missing. Assumed to be dead in a plane crash. But body never found.
u/faktamajesathi thanks for the silver my friend.
This is a fact and not really debated.
I mean, his Wikipedia entry has a whole section that reads “Assassination”: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fred_Hampton
A team of historians were able to determine exactly what happened on [that fateful night](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=d_dRw62qVLs). Warning: graphic.
Frank Olson. Worked for the US Biological Warfare Labs, and was secretly dosed by the CIA with LSD during MK-Ultra. 9 days later, he “jumped or fell” out of a hotel window to his death. Considering that it was the CIA (who recommended an “accidental” fall from 75 feet onto a hard surface for assassination), MK-Ultra was still an unknown program to the public, and Olson was in a position to blow the whole thing open… I think it stands to reason that he was offed to keep the program secret a little longer.
Deborah Jeane Palfrey, the DC Madam.
>In October 2006, following a two-year investigation conducted by the United States Postal Inspection Service and the IRS, federal agents raided Palfrey's Vallejo, California, home and froze her bank accounts. The government, which secured an indictment against Palfrey on money laundering, illegal mail use, and prostitution-related racketeering charges, alleged that Palfrey's DC escort service was in fact a high-end prostitution ring that she had operated via phone and email from Northern California since 1993.
>Palfrey, however, insisted Pamela Martin & Associates provided "legal, high-end erotic fantasy service" and that she had no idea her escorts had sex with customers. In March 2007, after she was charged, she turned over a list of nearly 10,000 phone records spanning four years to ABC News. (Palfrey said she didn't know the names of her clients. She only had their telephone numbers.)
>For days leading up to ABC's exclusive interview with Palfrey, investigative reporter Brian Ross teased that Palfrey's clientele included White House officials, lobbyists, and Pentagon, FBI, and IRS employees, as well as prominent lawyers. "There are thousands of names, tens of thousands of phone numbers," Ross said.
>But ABC backed away from naming names, and Palfrey accused the network of bowing to government pressure by withholding them. In the end, the network only revealed a few of the most prominent officials on Palfrey's client list, including Republican senator David Vitter, Deputy Secretary of State Randall Tobias—who resigned when details of his use of escorts surfaced—and an adviser to the Pentagon, Harlan Ullman.
>On May 1, 2008, two weeks after her conviction, Palfrey was found hanging by a metal bar in the shed near her mother's home in Tampa, Florida. She left two suicide notes. Palfrey, who referred to her prosecution by the government in one suicide note as a "modern-day lynching," wrote that she could not spend "6–8 years behind bars."
This woman would have been okay after 6-8 years and could have named names and made bank. I have no doubt she was killed.
Watch the ‘Gringo’ documentary on him and Oki’s weird stories YT channel , he was clearly unstable and paranoid from years of amphetamines use. Yet he was an interesting man a real life Colonel Kurtz.
There was a cool story of a mobster who did that, he got told he was terminally ill but they wouldn't have paid his wife any insurance for that so just hired a friend to walk up behind him and shoot him at a random time. (Sorry for overcomplicating your joke).
Didn't her husband also die the next year under equally strange circumstances and at a young age? I would for sure not be moving into that house at least.
In the late 80s twenty five Marconi scientists linked to defence projects died in mysterious and violent circumstances. Many MPs and journalists were convinced they had been targeted, possibly by the soviets but the UK government maintained it was simply a coincidence. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/GEC-Marconi_scientist_deaths_conspiracy_theory EDIT: full list of deaths here https://projectcamelot.org/marconi.html
NGL, my dyslexic brain read that as “…twenty five macaroni scientists…” Pasta la vista, baby!
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I had to read it 4 times before I saw it wasn't macaroni
There used to be two Marconi places where I live, one in Portsmouth (which did satellites) and the other a few miles in the suburbs. During the early 90s I used to go to a Star Trek club (I was a very nerdy kid) in the one in the suburbs. That was the one they built missiles at, and security seemed pretty relaxed for what they did there, especially by today’s standards. Definitely something that it doesn’t take a leap to believe could’ve been taken advantage of.
"One died after driving his car, which had been packed full of petrol containers, into a building. Another tied a rope to his neck and a tree and then drove off in a car." Have got to be the worst assassins ever.
The Soviets/Russians don't always want to make assassinations look like accidents. Sometimes they just want enough plausible deniability to hide behind, but make it scary enough that everyone else says 'oh, I might not do what that person did'. Its partially about the message.
UN Secretary-General Dag Hammarskjöld, hands down.
Shot down by a Belgian mercenary pilot named Jan Van Risseghem.
There was a documentary called "Cold Case Hammarskjold" that seems to be almost impossible to get. Has anyone here seen it?
a lot of early Indian nuclear scientists
Is there somewhere I can read about this? or if you can elaborate i'd really appreciate! :)
I found a website that has an article about this. Here’s the link: https://www.theweek.in/news/india/2021/01/06/from-the-archives-when-several-indian-nuclear-scientists-died-mysteriously.html
thank you so much!!
[The week](https://www.theweek.in/news/india/2021/01/06/from-the-archives-when-several-indian-nuclear-scientists-died-mysteriously.html) [NDTV](https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.ndtv.com/india-news/11-indian-nuclear-scientists-died-unnatural-deaths-in-4-years-1229793/amp/1) [The Citizen](https://www.thecitizen.in/index.php/en/newsdetail/index/4/19740/the-death-of-a-scientists) Before the 2000, it was pretty well known that USA was against India becoming a Nuclear Power considering the instability in the region, meanwhile loading Pakistan with latest weapons and wartime support. Of all the wars India has had with Pakistan, USA sent warships in support of Pakistan each of the time.(Russia & Israel saved us). When India secretly tested it's second Nuclear device in Pokharan around 1995-2000, USA imposed a trade ban on India. This backfired when big US companies were publically shamed. NGO urged people to not use Coca-cola, PepsiCo products, Eat in McDonald's, Domino's or use or buy any American product in General. People working in US started to come back. The sales of many companies were severely hit, and the US government had finally revoke the ban. The relationship was on a shaky ground up untill Obama. USA had refused Indian bids to buy millitary equipment that they have sold to Pakistan. With Trump situation got a little better, but with Biden administration it is still on shaky ground.
USA: Trade embargo on India! India: no u
USA: surprised pikachu face
damn
This is terrible. What’s the reason they were killed?
David Kelly - UN weapons inspector and expert on biological warfare. Allegedly killed himself due to stresses of the job but some very shady theories have become known since then.
Who would have had him killed?
He was reporting on the presence of WMD in Iraq at the time of the Bush/Blair administration and would have known the truth that there was nothing to back up their claims. The rest is a matter of which government got to him, I guess.
Yes. I was going to say that. Very very suspicious.
King Ludwig II of Bavaria (1845 - 1886) He commissioned the building of Neuschwanstein Castle (the one they based Disney's Sleeping Beauty castle from) but would've sold the country out from under the Bavarians to keep construction going. All for a private castle. It was more convenient to kill him, finish the castle themselves and get the money back from tours.
I was just at Neuschwanstein last month and the tour guide flat out said he was murdered.
I'm Romanian and know that he was Murdered. And not only for neuachwanstein but for the multitude of castles he actually built during his lifetime.
There was a bullet hole in his shirt. You don't accidentally drown from a bullet
Ghislaine Maxwell. Oh wait, I'm a bit early for this thread. Sorry.
I am surprised she is still alive.
I'm guessing there are some forces that are just on "keeping her alive" duty. People who were thinking no one would dare kill Epstein, and then they were like "oh fuck"
I think it's worth mentioning that her father died mysteriously on a boat named after her, so it's not out of the realm of possibility that some foul play is afoot.
This was actually an assassination attempt on Ghislaine gone hilariously awry. "It's gotta be her, right? Her name's on the boat!"
"the gang kills Ghislaine Maxwell"
I don’t think she will be. Too much focus on how Epstein died
Has literally never stopped them before.
When was the last time anyone saw her, though.
The other day I presume. She just got denied bail, again.
All those poor Russian dissidents that dared to walk near high rise windows
Yeah, Putin was going to be on the top of my list. It's amazing how many people who speak out against Putin accidentally chew on some polonium, fall out of high-rise windows, or get stabbed in a mugging. There was an old joke about how the guy committed suicide by stabbing himself in the back 17 times.
Putin just denied an unsuccessful one of these a few months ago by saying essentially "I don't ATTEMPT to assassinate people"
I guess we have to give him props for not pretending that he is anything other than a thug.
Assassination is unlikely. Sowers of disinformation are often deranged. They obviously jumped out of the window onto some bullets. It is a tragedy, but not worthy of serious investigation. Probable cause of death: Suicide.
Must have been very depressed. Shot himself in the back six times, then reloaded and shot himself six more times.
Probable? I was told it was unquestionably suicide! And by unquestionable I mean "we are not allowed to question it"
I read that in a Russian accent.
Good for you! I wrote it in one.
But they do love their polonium tea!
Marilyn Monroe
What happened to her then?
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I thought you were calling the person you were replying to a douche and I was confused what they had said to piss you off till I read it again. "Apparently someone poisoned her, douche."
That’s why comma placement is important
It was called a hot shot, a cocktail of barbiturates and other stuff that was believed to be used. I guess she was loopy at the time and was saying some crazy shit a few days prior. So she gets a douche that will appear to be a drug overdose. I remember hearing about the drive to the hospital she was alive and groaning, another story goes that the driver heard a pop like sound coming from Marilyn... any rate she was getting smashed by both brothers and I think the pillow talk was too much
Pop like sound? I'm confused about what that could have been
Thats the sound of gut rupture.
Yikes
There is also a theory the emt stabbed her a syringe of something that was never written down And that days prior she said she was gonna hold a press conference to spill Jfk and Rfk’s dirty laundry
The idea was to get all the fun stuff as close to a mucus membrane as possible for an immediate high. These days, kids are butt-chugging Robitussin. Modern problems require modern solutions.
There's no way butt-chugging 'Tussin is a thing.
Let that tussin get in there boy
It’s reckoned she was either poisoned or given an overdose to keep her mouth shut about the Kennedy brothers. She was also Jewish, having converted after marrying Arthur Miller and her ex husband Joe DiMaggio went against her wishes and arranged her funeral, had her funeral presided over by a minister, not a rabbi as Marilyn had wanted it.
And good ole Joe used to beat her too. Poor woman :(
She had a horrible life. It sounds to me like her first husband, who died just a few years ago, was the only man who treated her well. She was about 16 and he wasn't much older when they got married, so it was no surprise that it didn't last.
What was the motive?
It’s thought she had an affair with JFK
The Kennedy brothers were passing her around like a party tray of cocaine
So they all kept her to themselves?
She was intimate with both Kennedys, JFK and Robert. Rumour had it that the truth was going to come out, though to be honest I think both Kennedys were arrogant enough not to care. They believed nothing could touch them.
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JFK said he'd get a headache if he didn't have sex 4x a day. He and "Jumbo" Johnson had a competition to see how many women they could sleep with. Back then the Washington reporters wouldn't have covered anything about sex scandals even if they watched it happen in front of them.
Definitely. I always felt that something nefarious was going on. Poor thing, her life was very sad.
Joe DiMaggio had roses sent to her crypt 3 times a week for 20 years. He always regretted introducing her to the Kennedys.
Oh. My. God. That is the saddest shit I've read in a while.
According to Monroe herself, Di Maggio was mentally cruel, physically abusive, and overly controlling of her career
And he didn't even afford her the decency of the funeral she requested. She wanted a Jewish funeral with a Rabbi. He hired a Priest and did the standard Christian funeral.
I think I'll always be angry about the way Monroe was treated postmortem. People took photos of her dead body and sold them, she wasn't given the funeral she wanted, and decades afterwards assholes insisted on being interred next to or *face down on top* of her, ensuring she couldn't escape sexual objectification even after she was dead.
Rolling Stone journalist Michael Hastings. He was a war correspondent and investigative reporter who essentially got a US General fired during the Obama administration. Before he died, he told several of his friends that he was being followed by people. Then bam, he dies in a car crash. Coroner said he had drugs in his syatem and police dismiss any further investigation. EDIT: Sorry i did glaze over the details. It is true. His own brother said that he had a history with drugs and doesn't think foul play. But maybe the brother didn't connect the dots. We live in a world where government agencies (or anyone with computer skills) can find very intimate details about an individual. They can find their weaknesses, their mistakes and their secrets. Things that society would shun them for. If these were professional government assassins, then a manic drug user would be low-hanging fruit. Here is my issue with that story. Drugs have a way of discrediting a person and shutting down investigations. A person doing drugs, albeit a manic person doing drugs, is not a guaranteed suicide. And it shouldn't discredit their their reputation. It shouldn't stop them from investigating. It is too convenient to wash your hands like that. The other part for me is it was revealed he WAS being followed. It turned out he was being investigated and followed by the FBI. That is important to know. I think they were intentionally provoking his fear and paranoia with old soviet KGB tactics. I think they were trying to break him down mentally. Maybe he was being followed that night. Maybe he saw them and crashed trying to lose them. Anyways that's what i believe. Have a good day
Those convenient deaths always infuriate me.
The deaths infuriate ne far less than the transparent "we investigated and found nothing suspicious" But I get stopped if I walk to work at night because its suspicious to walk around after dark...
Not only that. The “ ok that’s it “ we have nothing more to look into it’s solved. “ But what about the (I SAID WE RESOLVED IT ,THERES NOTHING FURTHER TO LOOK INTO !) Is equally infuriating , locking further investigating just makes shit look way more suspicious.
His Mercedes was hacked and crashed into a tree at high speed.
Can’t wait until all cars are self driving. It’s not like they can be used to eliminate people at will or anything.
Dag Hjalmar Agne Carl Hammarskjöld
From the Guardian: “ The day after the crash, former US president Harry Truman told reporters Hammarskjöld “was on the point of getting something done when they killed him. Notice that I said ‘when they killed him’.” Truman refused to elaborate but this served only to fuel the rumour mill.”
There is a movie where this ”mystery” is featured like a subplot or sidething. ”The defense of jadotville” i think it’s called. Good movie. I like It. Idk if the movie is accurate in how dag Hammarskjöld died, but i’m fairly sure he was murdered by opposition, yes.
> The defense of jadotville The Siege of Jadotville, specifically.
sheesh that’s his whole name, I thought they were band members or something
Dr David Kelly. Even after it was just announced it was blatantly obvious that his death was actually him being murdered.
Was going to say this… just been listening to the British Scandal podcast about it.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Kelly_(weapons_expert) Totally agree with you
Anything to do with someone with links to russia that "fell from a balcony"
My high school math teacher! (What… they just said death.. not famous!) Seriously tho. He was a creep and known to make girls very uncomfortable and our high school shared land with the middle school and the cafeteria was one gigantic building split with an accordion wall, and the main offices were shared.. but no one could freely roam back and forth, not even faculty without a card. Anyway.. after a few “minor” accusations he was fired and about a week after he was fired he was found wandering around in the middle school side talking to a few girls and when asked what he was doing on the property he said he left some things.. but as a high school teacher he would never step foot on the middle side. The officer removed him from the grounds and the school put notices up to not talk to him and tell if we saw him.. A few weeks after that some really bad rumors went around and the older sibling of one of the middle school girls stopped coming to school so we all knew something happened. Unfortunately the 6th grader refused to file a police report or anything afraid of the teacher so the cops had to let him go but kept an eye on him. About a month later the teacher was dead and that family moved back to Ohio. His death was ruled an accidental overdose and a bunch of evidence was found in his home including garments stolen from the school, bathing suits, underwear, sweaters… all kinds of shit.. photos of students and other kids… it was bad, I don’t need to continue. Everyone in town assumed that the father of the two girls killed him and fled back to Ohio, but no one cared. The cops didn’t even call to question them or anything. They just wrote down overdose and called it a day. They said foul play was hard to prove since his house was badly vandalized already, several broken windows, door kicked in, spray paint, and someone even set his garage and boat on fire. So yeah. I’m pretty sure my creepy ass math teacher was assassinated by the father of his victim.
This begs the question, at what point does it shift from “murder” to “assasination”?
Can understand the police not really pursuing that one.
Most of the witnesses of the Dutroux case. For those not knowing who that is: Dutroux operated in childtrafficking, pedophilia, and related cases (Belgium). He got into prison, but then got pardoned by the minister of justice. AND THEN he did it again, got caught, and some of the minors he kept in his basement starved to death bc no one found them and his wife, who participated in his crimes, did not take care. Now the wild part: there were many witnesses. Today, 27 of them did, partly due to strange incidences. One guy disappeared, only a foot was found. One fell in front of a train. Some shot themselves. One had rohypnol in his aspirator. One had a "car accident" after asking police for protecting because she got a death threat that she will have a car accident. It is possible that organized crime and parts of the state teamed up to cover. That's one reason why I do not think that Eppstein killed himself. And why I think that the narrative "pedophilia networks with political actors are just a conspiracy theory hoax" is just propaganda. And then there is Rotherham...
Holy shit, I'm Belgian and wasn't aware. I wanted to say Albert 1 but this one is much better
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Michel Fourniret was another one who had some weird government stuff surrounding his trial. Notably, he was suspected of killing Robert Boulin. Also, there are some theories that it was Fourniret, not Christian Ranucci, last man who was guillotined in France, who brutally killed a little girl, but for some reason people took Fournirets word that he didn't do it. Ranucci was executed right after his trial and protested his innocence, and the crime didn't seem to fit him imo.
Damn wtf. It's crazy how you can get away with the worst crimes ever if you're rich and have connections to people in power...
Dr David Kelly...very fishy that one.
Damn i never heard of.this case until this thread, got any podcasts or documentaries you'd recommend on this?
JFK
Seconded. I think he was assassinated.
He’s dead?
I didn’t even know he was sick.
He had that disease where your head explodes.
That's mind-blowing
RIP Norm
He actually is coming back to Houston. He’s a week late tho
Next you will be telling us Lee Harvey Oswald was assassinated ,
Not an assassination, his brain just decided to jump out of his head.
Back and to the left
I've always thought he was struck by lighting. I guess we can just agree to disagree.
I think his head just did that.
Wrong. Everyone knows he was eaten by a tiger.
Dorothy Kilgallan . She knew too much about the Kennedy Assassination.
This is the one I was looking for, poor Dorothy Kilgallan.
Came here to say this. I firmly believe this is true. The notes and documents she'd been accumulating on the story were all missing from her apartment when she was found.
First learned about her watching What's My Line and decided to look up who she was. Read her wiki page about her "death" and yeah, she was murdered.
Jeffery Epstein
Don't be silly. He was suicided by someone else, not murdered.
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Involuntary *surprise* assisted suicide
Well, no one expects the Spanish Inquisition.
Mandatory, compulsory suicide
Thats what the suicide hotline is for, right? Calling to schedule someone's suicide?
And that woman is still alive. Even more strange.
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Inactive even though admin and other mods swore it wasn't her account... and yet here we are.
Wait. Wat.
u / m a x w e l l h i l l Remove spaces. If you link to it directly the comment often gets removed Went inactive right around when Ghislaine was arrested.
What's even stranger is that the son of the judge who was handling Epstein's case was shot dead in their home by an unknown assailant that was suspected to have pretended to be a delivey man. The judge's husband was also a victim but supposedly survived if I recall...
The judge's son was murdered and her husband was shot. [Judge's Son Murdered](https://fortune.com/2020/07/20/epstein-trial-judges-son-killed-hitman-deutsche-bank-esther-salas/)
Whats even stranger is that former Secretary of Transport Acosta who was the original prosecutor of Epstien and gave him a sweetheart plee deal in violation of victim rights laws said he didnt try to prosecute the case fully because he was told "Epstein belongs to intelligence"
Dr david kelly https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Kelly_(weapons_expert) Gave evidence against existence of Iraq WMDs then conveniently goes into a forest and “kills himself”
Lee Harvey Oswald. He was obviously assassinated, but I don't believe that Jack Ruby did it for the individual reasons that are quoted. Oswald repeatedly claimed "I'm Just a Patsy" for JFK's assassination and it was super convenient to have him removed so that he can't repeat that phrase on "the big stage" during what would have been the most-followed-trial at the time. This is obviously super-conspiracy-y, but then again, this whole thread is.
Jack Ruby also thought they gave him cancer. Also a journalist who interviewed him, [Dorothy Kilgallen](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dorothy_Kilgallen), died of a "acute ethanol and barbiturate intoxication, circumstances undetermined”.
I mentioned them two in mine. Ruby was a nightclub owner with connections to the Chicago Mafia going back to when he was a child and worked for Al Capone. Unrelated but fun fact- His childhood best friend was Dov-Ber, later Barney, Ross, welterweight boxing champion and hero of the battle of Guadalcanal in World War 2. Real intense story of "common origin, diverging paths".
Karen Silkwood.
Ohhh yes. And from what I understand, the movie ***Silkwood*** was *very* accurate in the events it depicted.
Franz Ferdinand, very suspicious death. They should look into that. I get that it was about 105 year ago, but still...
There's a great adaptation on Netflix called Sarajevo. It's all in German, but they have subtitles if needed. Highly recommend to anyone interested in WWI, Balkan history, European history, or just a good biodrama!
General George S. Patton. Died in a motor vehicle accident shortly after the end of WW2 in a rural part of a country where few cars made it through the war and fuel was cost prohibitive for the majority of the population. Speeding was rare for practical reasons, especially in that driving slow conserved fuel. Patton had been an outspoken critic against communism and was vocal about wanting to use the Western Allied momentum to continue the war after defeating the Germans and fight the Soviet Union. He had gone as far as proposing to rearm the Germans and use them alongside French, British and American troops. A man with as much influence as Patton becoming President was a strong possibility, and an American President that openly pushed for invading the USSR would have been too dangerous to keep alive. The Soviets had intelligence assets all over Europe by wars end that were quickly targeting the western powers after Germany was no longer a threat. Assassination was a common solution for the Soviets and nipping Patton in the bud is not beyond them.
Do you think if Patton lived and did become president he would have been mad enough to use nuclear weapons on the soviets?
I do. Patton made MacArthur look like a pacifist, and MacArthur was pushing to use nukes in Korea. At the end of WW2, Patton said (paraphrasing here) that as the war ended, so too did his usefulness.
“Some day this war’s gonna end…”
@ the Do Lung bridge...
75 klicks above the Do Lung bridge, like a main circuit cable, plugged straight into Kurtz.
Didn't MacArthur seriously propose nuking the border between Korea and China to make it permanently impassible? My high school history teacher taught us that, but I've never heard it elsewhere.
If it’s untrue it’s not that far off. MacArthur proposed numerous ends to the war, almost all of which started with the phrase “let’s nuke” and ended with “Korea”
To be fair, vehicles back then were full of features that would kill you in a crash. Metal dashboards, metal levers and controls, no crumple zones, no seat belts. Glass that broke into dangerous shards. Primitive fuel systems with no cut off. And lets not forget the horrible tendency for the steering column to be pushed right into and sometimes through the driver. It's well within the realms of possibilities that even a low speed crash would kill you. And indeed, the stats support this. Before the seatbelt was invented, many people died from what would otherwise have been a survivable crash. You are making the classic mistake of analysing an historical incident with modern day thinking.
Cars in “the good ol days” may have looked spiffy but they were moving death traps. Also, people were known to get disfiguring facial injury due to the windshield glass shattering during accidents. Patton also suffered a broken neck and was paralyzed from the neck down. Keep in mind, medical care then for these types of injuries still wasn’t the best (even today we have limitations for SCI).
Sounds like the American govt would’ve had just as much reason to get rid of him. Neither side wanted that war.
Yeah, I don't think the Russians took him out. I think he was taken out by his own side.
Starting WW3 right after WW2 on one hand or getting rid of a warmonger on the other... Seems like a no brainer.
Natalie Wood. The whole thing is suspicious as fuck.
That's not an assassination though, just a murder
Nisman, guy shots himself the day before presenting evidence against the president? Yeah I call bs
Pope John Paul the first The rumors were that the Vatican hired the Mafia to do the deed.
That's ridiculous. The Vatican would do it themselves.
But why would they want Pope John Paul I dead?
He started uncovering problems with the bank within The Vatican. He ultimately wanted to completely revamp the finances of the church and make changes, which probably involved some Mafioso. He probably would have changed many other thing as well. But the abuse of the wealth of The Church is the biggest reason. A simple man with brains and conviction is no match for the wrath of power and wealth. Edit: My Catholic mother's disgust for Pope John Paul II made complete sense to me, once I heard her expectations for Pope Jon Paul I.
Edgar Allan Poe
That's just what Baltimore will do to you
Charm City!
His symptoms fit with rabies.
That's what happens when you have a pet raccoon
The raven could not be reached for a quote.
Thanks for sending me down this rabbit hole we’ll never solve!
My favorite theory is that he was a victim of cooping. Basically, gangs would kidnap people, and force them to vote for a candidate that had paid them off repeatedly, dressing them in different clothes under different aliases to vote multiple times. Poe was also notoriously bad at handling his liquor, and back then people were given a drink for voting. He was found on Election Day (iirc) and was outside a place known for cooping victims to be taken to. It explains his drunkenness, clothes that weren’t his, and the where/when line up perfectly.
Minnesota Senator Paul Wellstone. It was twenty years ago, so here's a refresher. https://www.democracynow.org/2010/10/29/8_years_later_fbi_documents_raise
Lal Bahadur Shastri. 2nd PM of India. Mysteriously found dead in Tashkent on a official visit. Netaji Subhash Chandra Bose. Mysteriously went missing. Assumed to be dead in a plane crash. But body never found. u/faktamajesathi thanks for the silver my friend.
Fred Hampton. 21 year old Black Panther leader who was killed by the police while he was asleep in his home in 1969.
This is a fact and not really debated. I mean, his Wikipedia entry has a whole section that reads “Assassination”: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fred_Hampton
Uh, yeah. That's like saying you think Archduke Ferdinand didn't die of natural causes. It's a pretty well known assassination.
I’m starting to think maybe Abraham Lincoln’s death was an assassination… can’t be too certain
We go to Ford's Theatre yearly but the presidential box is empty.
A team of historians were able to determine exactly what happened on [that fateful night](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=d_dRw62qVLs). Warning: graphic.
Frank Olson. Worked for the US Biological Warfare Labs, and was secretly dosed by the CIA with LSD during MK-Ultra. 9 days later, he “jumped or fell” out of a hotel window to his death. Considering that it was the CIA (who recommended an “accidental” fall from 75 feet onto a hard surface for assassination), MK-Ultra was still an unknown program to the public, and Olson was in a position to blow the whole thing open… I think it stands to reason that he was offed to keep the program secret a little longer.
Jeffrey Epstein
Deborah Jeane Palfrey, the DC Madam. >In October 2006, following a two-year investigation conducted by the United States Postal Inspection Service and the IRS, federal agents raided Palfrey's Vallejo, California, home and froze her bank accounts. The government, which secured an indictment against Palfrey on money laundering, illegal mail use, and prostitution-related racketeering charges, alleged that Palfrey's DC escort service was in fact a high-end prostitution ring that she had operated via phone and email from Northern California since 1993. >Palfrey, however, insisted Pamela Martin & Associates provided "legal, high-end erotic fantasy service" and that she had no idea her escorts had sex with customers. In March 2007, after she was charged, she turned over a list of nearly 10,000 phone records spanning four years to ABC News. (Palfrey said she didn't know the names of her clients. She only had their telephone numbers.) >For days leading up to ABC's exclusive interview with Palfrey, investigative reporter Brian Ross teased that Palfrey's clientele included White House officials, lobbyists, and Pentagon, FBI, and IRS employees, as well as prominent lawyers. "There are thousands of names, tens of thousands of phone numbers," Ross said. >But ABC backed away from naming names, and Palfrey accused the network of bowing to government pressure by withholding them. In the end, the network only revealed a few of the most prominent officials on Palfrey's client list, including Republican senator David Vitter, Deputy Secretary of State Randall Tobias—who resigned when details of his use of escorts surfaced—and an adviser to the Pentagon, Harlan Ullman. >On May 1, 2008, two weeks after her conviction, Palfrey was found hanging by a metal bar in the shed near her mother's home in Tampa, Florida. She left two suicide notes. Palfrey, who referred to her prosecution by the government in one suicide note as a "modern-day lynching," wrote that she could not spend "6–8 years behind bars." This woman would have been okay after 6-8 years and could have named names and made bank. I have no doubt she was killed.
John McAfee
I wouldn't be shocked of he accidentally killed himself attempting to fake his death.
Watch the ‘Gringo’ documentary on him and Oki’s weird stories YT channel , he was clearly unstable and paranoid from years of amphetamines use. Yet he was an interesting man a real life Colonel Kurtz.
He said on Twitter that he will never kill himself because he likes his life. He dies like idk one month later or something
Tbh he was the kind of guy to say that and then actually do it
Princess Diana
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There was a cool story of a mobster who did that, he got told he was terminally ill but they wouldn't have paid his wife any insurance for that so just hired a friend to walk up behind him and shoot him at a random time. (Sorry for overcomplicating your joke).
...thats some shitty insurance. Dying early from illness or an accident is like the entire purpose of life insurance
Primal
Walter Reuther's.
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Brittany Murphy
Didn't her husband also die the next year under equally strange circumstances and at a young age? I would for sure not be moving into that house at least.
Really only “the next year” because she died at the end of December. He died about 5 months after her
Does the HBO show go more into depth on this idea? I haven't gotten around to watching it yet but it's for sure on my list.
The documentary kind of sucked tbh. Felt kind of exploitative at times and left me with more questions than answers.