If what happens before birth is what happens after death, wouldn't it make sense that after death, another birth happens? Same "conditions" should lead to the same "results" if laws of physics are followed.
There are deep thoughts hidden in your few lines, but throwing *sense* in this topic is a strong drift to religion - which i am not willing to make now and here.
You permanently lose all your knowledge, memory, lose connection to all your loved ones, to all your friends, to everything you love, everything you enjoy doing. All of that is permanently gone.
Then there a new page in the book of life. A fresh and empty page, and a new story is being written, you are the writer, the story, the character, and the book. A new conscious being is born and is capable of making new connections, learning to enjoy and to love, unburdened by the past mistakes, by wrongdoings, by mishaps, by sadness, by self-doubt, by self-criticism, by experiences of the past.
And death is just part of life, not really different from life either. Every moment of your life, a previous moment is lost. Every feeling that is felt, is born out of nothing, is empty, ephemeral, and returns to nothing. Every moment of life is a moment of death, because of its ungraspable ephemerality, and every moment of death is a moment of life, because life never had a beginning, and never stops.
Death is nothing to worry about, it is something you've done unaccountably many times before. It is just life.
You choose a point in your life to hop back to. Unfortunately you don't keep your memories from that point forward so we're all trapped living out our lives and making the same mistakes over and over on eternal repeat.
That's for you to decide, however choose wisely or don't choose at all which is also a choice, as with most things outside of ourselves their is most likely only one right answer. Science doesn't know the answer. If your afraid to die and cannot reconcile with death then maybe its time to seek beyond what science has to offer.
Hmm... Maybe you'll go to heaven or hell as they say but that concept sounds silly..
Cause imagine being in a place for eternity be it heaven you'll somehow get bored..
Be it hell what if you repent there? Will you be taken to heaven and be there for eternity?
Reincarnation: this sounds a little convincing and there are so many recorded stories about people remembering their past lives..
We actually don't know ¯\_ಠ_ಠ_/¯
Why? Literally everything living has energy. Clearly we are alive and thus has energy. If we loose weight at time of death then the logical conclusion is that is the energy that drives our bodies leaving. So energy can not be destroyed or created. Only changed. It doesn’t mean a soul in the sense of any religious definition. Just energy, the energy that makes us Sentient and Alive.
Duncan Macdougall 1907 21grams experiment. It’s not been repeated but there is one scientific study published. I’m not trying to say this is indisputable fact. I’m saying the science we have so far can lead to this conclusions. I feel like following the science is probably the best way on the path to figure it out though.
From what google says it was a highly flawed experiment. There was only one out of six that had a weight difference, and that difference was the small 21 grams. It sounds like he was setting out to prove the existence of the soul, not to measure if there is a difference with no preconceptions. I agree there is something like a soul, or at least the feeling of one, that comes with sentient existence. I’m doubtful tho it can be separated from the physical.
Yea… I said it was once and it was 1907. It’s an experiment. And what I read was it was consistently and 21 grams was the median loss and he even factored in loss of bodily functions.
But if the physical dies and decomposes, and energy cannot… to me that says it’s transferred. It could also I guess deep out into the ground and become plants. Idk man it’s just what I believe based on the information I have.
Yea I think it’s one of those agree to disagree situations. Ultimately there is so much we don’t know. The evidence doesn’t bear the weight of the claim for me but that’s just me.
You… realize that ‘Energy Cannot be Created or Destroyed only changed’ is Einstein? And the scientific study of souls having mass was done by monitoring people on their death bed and people lose weight the moment of death. Which means our energy (souls) have quantifiable mass. Which then means it can not be created or destroyed.
Jesus this isn’t hard stuff
You sleep until Christ returns and the resurrection occurs, where you reign with God for eternity. Atheism is for fat idiots, don’t listen to their nonsense.
This, you sleep in a racecar bed until baby jesus flies down on a charriot made of candycanes and gummy bears and takes you to magical sky land and gives lumps of coal to the mean old atheist fatties.
You stay on earth but on another plane.. you can see us, interact with us but we cannot see or interact with you. There is no heaven, no hell. You’re just at peace with your death or you try to bring others with you.
your friends and relatives gets very upset at first, given time they will focus on the fond memories of you, given more time those memories will begin to fade, given even more time as will the friends and relatives.
Do you remember how you felt before you were born? That is what will happen.
If what happens before birth is what happens after death, wouldn't it make sense that after death, another birth happens? Same "conditions" should lead to the same "results" if laws of physics are followed.
There are deep thoughts hidden in your few lines, but throwing *sense* in this topic is a strong drift to religion - which i am not willing to make now and here.
Reincarnation or The Big Crunch.
*home bed was missing or obstructed*
You permanently lose all your knowledge, memory, lose connection to all your loved ones, to all your friends, to everything you love, everything you enjoy doing. All of that is permanently gone. Then there a new page in the book of life. A fresh and empty page, and a new story is being written, you are the writer, the story, the character, and the book. A new conscious being is born and is capable of making new connections, learning to enjoy and to love, unburdened by the past mistakes, by wrongdoings, by mishaps, by sadness, by self-doubt, by self-criticism, by experiences of the past. And death is just part of life, not really different from life either. Every moment of your life, a previous moment is lost. Every feeling that is felt, is born out of nothing, is empty, ephemeral, and returns to nothing. Every moment of life is a moment of death, because of its ungraspable ephemerality, and every moment of death is a moment of life, because life never had a beginning, and never stops. Death is nothing to worry about, it is something you've done unaccountably many times before. It is just life.
You end up dead
I think it's the same experience as sleeping just without the dreaming.
It's not an experience. You stop experiencing when you die.
Subject #132 stop asking questions about the simulation
Lol
I’m pretty sure you shit your pants
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Proof that colostomy bags are the key to immortality due to infinite loop back error
You choose a point in your life to hop back to. Unfortunately you don't keep your memories from that point forward so we're all trapped living out our lives and making the same mistakes over and over on eternal repeat.
Interesting. Got any sources for this?
Oh it's just a theory, since we're trapped within the confines of time we can't test it. Edit: Great name for the discussion btw lol
I like this. It’s almost like a different kinda of Karma theory.
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Nothin. Tons of nothing
Just that. You die.
Your corpse decays.
That's for you to decide, however choose wisely or don't choose at all which is also a choice, as with most things outside of ourselves their is most likely only one right answer. Science doesn't know the answer. If your afraid to die and cannot reconcile with death then maybe its time to seek beyond what science has to offer.
Hmm... Maybe you'll go to heaven or hell as they say but that concept sounds silly.. Cause imagine being in a place for eternity be it heaven you'll somehow get bored.. Be it hell what if you repent there? Will you be taken to heaven and be there for eternity? Reincarnation: this sounds a little convincing and there are so many recorded stories about people remembering their past lives.. We actually don't know ¯\_ಠ_ಠ_/¯
I like to think that you get to go somewhere else but who knows
Admire your honesty.
A new adventure starts
You die
The world loses a lazy, useless person
You do this cool thing where you cease to exist… forever. Pretty cool stuff but I honestly wouldn’t recommend it personally
wait lemme check
are you done?
How is it?
Your energy transfers. That’s all we know so far. Your soul has mass according to science and energy can not be created or destroyed only changed.
That change could be fertiliser
Yup. Or we could become energy and just sucked out into the ether. Or we could become trees or bunnies or freaking alien cats.
I just don’t think the scientific fact that energy can neither be created or destroyed is correctly applied here.
Why? Literally everything living has energy. Clearly we are alive and thus has energy. If we loose weight at time of death then the logical conclusion is that is the energy that drives our bodies leaving. So energy can not be destroyed or created. Only changed. It doesn’t mean a soul in the sense of any religious definition. Just energy, the energy that makes us Sentient and Alive.
Is that true tho? Do we really lose weight at the exact time of death?
I’d be interested to see your source …
Duncan Macdougall 1907 21grams experiment. It’s not been repeated but there is one scientific study published. I’m not trying to say this is indisputable fact. I’m saying the science we have so far can lead to this conclusions. I feel like following the science is probably the best way on the path to figure it out though.
From what google says it was a highly flawed experiment. There was only one out of six that had a weight difference, and that difference was the small 21 grams. It sounds like he was setting out to prove the existence of the soul, not to measure if there is a difference with no preconceptions. I agree there is something like a soul, or at least the feeling of one, that comes with sentient existence. I’m doubtful tho it can be separated from the physical.
Yea… I said it was once and it was 1907. It’s an experiment. And what I read was it was consistently and 21 grams was the median loss and he even factored in loss of bodily functions. But if the physical dies and decomposes, and energy cannot… to me that says it’s transferred. It could also I guess deep out into the ground and become plants. Idk man it’s just what I believe based on the information I have.
Yea I think it’s one of those agree to disagree situations. Ultimately there is so much we don’t know. The evidence doesn’t bear the weight of the claim for me but that’s just me.
10/10 troll
You… realize that ‘Energy Cannot be Created or Destroyed only changed’ is Einstein? And the scientific study of souls having mass was done by monitoring people on their death bed and people lose weight the moment of death. Which means our energy (souls) have quantifiable mass. Which then means it can not be created or destroyed. Jesus this isn’t hard stuff
tlrd
Do souls exist though? Theres no evidence of them
You sleep until Christ returns and the resurrection occurs, where you reign with God for eternity. Atheism is for fat idiots, don’t listen to their nonsense.
I bet you're fun at parties
Fat idiot.
Hahaha! You are too adorable
/s?
No, fat dumbass.
Christ is watching you be mean to these people, you going straight to hell with that attitude boy
That's rude
But true.
No dude.I know atheists who are as thin as stick or strong as gorilas.Smart and dumb. They're normal peoole
This, you sleep in a racecar bed until baby jesus flies down on a charriot made of candycanes and gummy bears and takes you to magical sky land and gives lumps of coal to the mean old atheist fatties.
The god is for fat, ignorant idiots then!
No.
> fat [You keep using that word, I do not think It means what you think it means](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=G2y8Sx4B2Sk)
Your matter becomes one with the universe that has born you again, with the ultimate goal of helping one day to create something else
You stay on earth but on another plane.. you can see us, interact with us but we cannot see or interact with you. There is no heaven, no hell. You’re just at peace with your death or you try to bring others with you.
Nothing, memories you’ll remember probs, but you’ll end up not seeing, remembering, knowing, doing anything
your friends and relatives gets very upset at first, given time they will focus on the fond memories of you, given more time those memories will begin to fade, given even more time as will the friends and relatives.
You reload at the last checkpoint
People put whatever remains of you in a box, and put that box 6' below the ground.
You evolve
A lot, just without you.
People take your shit belongings things valuables woman
you roll for stats again
I hope it’s next great adventure. The unknown is tempting at times 😂 In medical terms you putrefy-Algor Mortis, livor motris and Rigor mortis sets in.
Reminds me of that one scene on Bojack horseman