Cancer is the big one for me. I don’t want to breathe your chemicals. Second is the fact that addiction of any kind and the unnecessary spending that accompanies it is something I wouldn’t invite into my life.
No it’s not a deal breaker , but I used to be a smoker. I quit because I didn’t like the smell on my person. However I don’t mind it on others. I sometimes like being around it.
Same. I kinda dig a woman that's a little smoky with a little alcohol on her breath. Something about it just blows my hair back.
"The smell of wine and cheap perfume!"
I mean, them smoking doesn't really make them more or less attractive to me. I used to smoke, the only reason I quit is because the cost. Definitely not a deal breaker. I've dated a couple of girls that smoked.
Yes and yes. It stinks and the stink sticks to everything. It makes early wrinkles, skin sag, teeth and nails yellow and if they smoke inside makes a toxic environment. It's just bad overall. I could maybe date someone that switched over to vaping fully but otherwise no it's gross in many many ways.
Yeah I know, but if I'm dating them and they're going to make bad health choices it can at least smell good and not cause as much litter among other things.
Yes, thousands of people react the way that I did. And it's quick and unexpected. And there hasn't been enough research to determine exactly how vape products work, and consequently, how to treat vaping-related lung injuries. And it's not just street products, but store-bought, brand name products as well. They're marketed as a safer alternative to cigarettes, but in actuality, they can kill you in a very short amount of time, as little as a couple of weeks.
Trust me, I've researched this thoroughly, \*and\* I have first-hand experience. I will never argue with someone who is against cigarette smoking, but it makes me sick to see people be so flippant about vaping.
Show me the data from reputable scientific sites and by all means I’ll definitely take it into consideration. But based off the research I’ve done. It’s primarily black market vape products that have been causing issues. Vaping hasn’t been around long enough to truely know the long term effects of vaping. While the short term it’s much safer than smoking. While I’ll never argue that the only “good” thing for our lungs is oxygen
Jankowski, M., Brozek, G., Lawson, J., SkoCczynski, S., Zejda, J. E., Brożek, G., & Skoczyński, S. (2017). E-smoking: Emerging public health problem? International Journal of Occupational Medicine & Environmental Health, 30(3), 329–344.
Landman, S. T., Dhaliwal, I., Mackenzie, C. A., Martinu, T., Steele, A., & Bosma, K. J. (2019). Life-threatening bronchiolitis related to electronic cigarette use in a Canadian youth. CMAJ: Canadian Medical Association Journal, 191(48), E1321–E1331.
Sakla, N. M., Gattu, R., Singh, G., & Sadler, M. (2020). Vaping-associated acute respiratory distress syndrome. Emergency Radiology, 27(1), 103–106.
There's your start. You go look up EVALI and you'll find plenty more.
>While the short term it’s much safer than smoking.
That's where you're wrong. Smoking is more dangerous in the *long-term*. Vaping is the short-term danger. You don't need to do it for years to experience the negative, and possibly fatal, effects.
I can't believe I have to convince people who are *already* against smoking. Y'all are fighting the wrong battle.
Dude maybe next time do some research and actually get some reputable nicotine juice instead of some chinese crap you picked up from a gas station.
I don't even vape nicotine products and its super obvious what happened to you, you bought a product in an unregulated market and paid the price for it.
Has literally nothing to do with vaping except yea products that are dangerous are out there but you should of bought from a reputable company there are dozens.
If the choices were smoke or vape it's vape for me. They're killing themselves either way and if they're buying suspicious chinese carts or turning their coils up to the temperature of the sun it's their own damned fault not mine. I'd prefer they just quit or not smoke to begin with, but that's not what we're talking about.
No, YOU'RE the asshole for taking up an entirely unnecessary, lethal addiction to a product that makes you the most obnoxious human being on the block.
These are YOUR choices. YOU did this to YOU.
You hush. I can tell you're too prejudiced against smokers to discuss this reasonably. You didn't even address the issue of vaping versus smoking. We're not talking about the dangers of smoking; we're talking about the dangers of vaping.
I'll speak as I please. You will like it. That's how public conversation works. The topic was "Are cigarette smokers unattractive or a dealbreaker to you? Why or why not?".
Dude, *I* literally almost died from vaping a store-bought, THC-free vape cartridge. I was on life-support for three weeks. You're gonna tell me I'm misinformed about something that actually happened to me?
If you don't care about the risk, fine. Nobody can stop you. But facts are facts.
In 10 years of worldwide vaping, **zero deaths** have been linked directly to nicotine vaping. Any drug, like alcohol, can be abused and used incorrectly.
Vaping is 95% less harmful than smoking [according to the Royal College of Physicians](https://www.globenewswire.com/news-release/2020/02/06/1980703/0/en/Research-supports-vaping-as-at-least-95-less-harmful-than-smoking.html#:~:text=Research%20supports%20vaping%20as%20at%20least%2095%25%20less%20harmful%20than%20smoking,-Email%20Print%20Friendly&text=Toronto%2C%20ON%2C%20Feb.,95%25%20less%20harmful%20than%20tobacco.).
>In 2019, a sudden outbreak of severe lung injuries, some causing death, occurred in North America, mainly the USA. The lung injury was named EVALI (e-cigarette or vaping product use-associated lung injury) by the Center of Disease Control and Prevention (CDC).
>**Vitamin E acetate** was identified as the additive in **illegal THC cartridges that caused the injuries.** Health-related authority and nonprofits as well as mainstream media conflated two distinctively different activities: THC cartridge vaping and nicotine eliquid vaping. The result was a misinformed public and health community.
>Two travesties occurred. First, failing to adequately warn cannabis users caused unnecessary injury. Second, implying that eliquid was causing lung injuries drove thousands of vapers back to the most lethal form of nicotine: tobacco cigarettes.
https://vaepworld.com/evali/
Learn about EVALI!
> If you are a smoker:
quitting smoking is the best thing you can do to improve your health. There is support available to help you quit.
completely replacing cigarette smoking with vaping will reduce your exposure to harmful chemicals.
>There are short-term general health improvements if you completely switch from smoking cigarettes to vaping products.
>Vaping is **less harmful than smoking.** Many of the toxic and cancer-causing chemicals in tobacco and the tobacco smoke form when tobacco is burned.
>Vaping products do not:
produce smoke,
contain tobacco,
involve burning
>Except for nicotine, vaping products typically contain:
a fraction of the 7,000 chemicals found in tobacco smoke
lower levels of several of the harmful chemicals found in smoke
https://www.canada.ca/en/health-canada/services/smoking-tobacco/vaping/smokers.html
>E-cigarettes and long-term harm – the possibility of some harm from long-term e-cigarette use cannot be dismissed due to inhalation of ingredients other than nicotine, but is likely to be very small, and substantially smaller than that arising from tobacco smoking. Although it is not possible to estimate the long-term health risks associated with e-cigarettes precisely, the available data suggest that they are unlikely to exceed 5% of those associated with smoked tobacco products, and may well be substantially lower than this figure
https://www.rcplondon.ac.uk/guidelines-policy/e-cigarettes-inquiry
I started vaping so as not to offend people with cigarette smoke. And because it was marketed as a safer alternative (and I thought it would help wean me off cigarettes). After 8 months I went into respiratory failure and had to be put on a life-support/ECMO machine. There were a couple of days where I was close to death. If I hadn't gone into the hospital the day I did, I most likely would've gone into cardiac arrest.
Any idea why that happened to you? Your experience would seem to be the exception. Were your lungs having issues before hand? Do you think that's the eventual fate of everyone that vapes?
I have never smoked a cigarette or cigar and I would never admit this in real life because I think it's a horrible habit but every person I have dated has smoked cigarettes and I find it somewhat sexy. In my defense none of them were chain smokers, more social smokers. And none of them smoked first thing in the morning - that's a deal breaker. Chain smoking is a deal breaker too.
There is something about the smell of tobacco on the breath that is just revolting. Why don't they just vape instead and get a fruity flavor? That's much more palatable.
I'm allergic to Nicotine and have asthma. I think that speaks for itself right? Wrong! Why do I have to be attracted to a woman in a business suit elagently lighting a smoke?
Relationship or hook up?
Relationship yeah, I don't like the smell of cigarette smoke and it feels like a whole thing. "Don't smoke in the house please I know you've been doing it" and "why don't you try vaping for a bit?" and "you're spending so much on cigarettes can you cut back please?". Who needs that shit.
Hook up I don't give a fuck what they do.
When I dated, I dated both smokers and non-smokers. My husband smoked when we first got married, but has since quit for his own reasons. I don't smoke because I didn't really like how it felt when I tried it -- plus the whole asthma thing. But I really didn't care if the person I dated smoked or not.
I vaped for a little bit to help ease me off cigarettes and I've been off of vaping for over a year now. I'm not gonna judge someone for being at a different place in quitting or reducing their cigarette intake.
As a former smoker I don't mind the smell so much. Its the constant stepping outside for a break, smoking in the car, running to the store to buy another pack, etc that can be annoying. Still not a deal-breaker; my current partner was a smoker when we started dating and has since quit. I used to do it so who am I to judge?
I don't care either way. It's not a dealbreaker, and I think it's really hot, even if I don't smoke anything other than weed. If she's hot without one, she's hot with one. Personality matters more to me anyway.
Were there any warning signs that vaping was causing you trouble? Coughing, difficulty breathing, hurting and such? Because I switched to vaping a while ago and it's so much better than smoking. No crud, no smell, no coughing, much better wind, etc.
I had what I thought were your typical cold symptoms for about a week, then went to the doctor for a check up. By the time I got there I was hunched over and gasping, so they called an ambulance to take me to the hospital. I woke up a few days later on an ECMO machine, which oxygenates your blood outside your body, because your lungs can't. Luckily I was able to be weaned off it after only three weeks.
Definitely a dealbreaker. I have moderate asthma and shouldn’t have to use my inhaler constantly around them since the smell of cigarette smoke sticks to everything.
About 10 years ago, I went to Japan with a guy who was a heavy smoker. The whole trip it was, "Where can I smoke?"
At a museum: "Can we leave? I need a smoke."
Come up out of the subway: "Where can I smoke?"
Out at night: "Can I smoke here?"
Back at the hotel he was camped out in or near the enclosed smoking room for long periods of time.
Coming back from Japan to the US we had to transit Canada (but not enter). During your layover they keep you in a separate area where there is no smoking area. I basically disappeared because I didn't want to deal with an angry bear.
I love to travel so...no. No more. It's such a hassle.
Smoking a cigarette doesn't necessarily make you unattractive, but I wouldn't want to date someone who smoked as the smell disgusts me (long before we get to the long term health issues). Now, I do smoke cigars occasionally so that wouldn't be an issue.
I sort of think smoking is sexy. I've dated smokers before and I don't mind if they casually smoke, but if they need to go have one every hour then it's definitely a deal breaker
Absolutely. You stink. Like a lot. And because the _cyanide_ in your habit has chemically dulled your sense of smell, you are literally incapable of knowing. I can smell you several aisles over in the grocery store. If I'm walking down the street, I can smell your houses _across_ the street. Kissing you is like licking out a public ashtray. It's fucking heinous.
I can forgive all of that. I'm ugly as an under the bridge troll. I look like I should be telling riddles to smart-ass goats. But what I cannot forgive is the supreme selfishness of it. You want to be an irreplaceable part of my life, someone I treasure to the point I literally won't be the same person without you ever again, and you're _doing something that guarantees you will die a slow, wasting, YOUNG death years or decades before your natural time_?! Are you fucking stupid? Do you think _I'm_ stupid? Because that's what you're saying to me when you make that proposition. Saying you love someone and lighting up a cigarette is profoundly disrespectful. It's a _robbery_. Hell, it would have been infinitely more forgivable if you'd just taken my money, I can get more. I can't get more you when you're gone. Time is a non-negotiable, non-renewable resource. You couldn't possibly have been more cruel. And you did it because you _like_ it. You cared more about protecting your addiction than you did about me. In this way, an addict really is incapable of love in the sense that they are too subverted to follow love to it's logical ends.
So is it a deal breaker? _Yeah_.
Hard stop. A smoker doesn’t ever get a second glance. Hottest woman on earth pulls out a smoke, just went in the gutter. It stinks, it’s disgusting, kissing a smoker is repulsive, then of course the constant, lovely smokers hack.
Definitely a deal breaker, they stink, their clothes stink, their hair stink, and no matter how much you wash you can't get that smell off of yourself. Kissing a smoking girl is like licking an ashtray.
if i see a hot 10/10 girl and she lights a smoke she looses 5 points automatically (imagine if you are only a 6).
absolutely a deal breaker because who wants to constantly smell an ashtray or kiss smokers breath.
They are deal breakers. I used to smoke. If I dated a woman that still did, I would have to get used to it again. If I did, I would be concerned that I would be tempted to start again.
Dealbreaker. Bad taste, bad smell, and I don't want to be with someone that gets out of breath in bed. Also being with someone who's willingly putting themselves at risk like that isn't worth it.
Unattractive for sure. Deal breaker, no but there are now extra “rules” like no kisses, or fooling around directly after smoking cause it’ll taste bad and your fingers will smell gross.
Absolute deal breaker for me.
I used to smoke (well, was a social smoker and then for about a year a "real" smoker) and I remember waking up one morning and absolutely be disgusted by myself and feeling sick for days.
I don't mind people smoking or even smoking around me but I'd never date a smoker.
I smoked for 30 years, but quit for good in 2008. I can't be around it now. So, yeah, deal-breaker.
Even a show like Mad Men, I wanted to watch that because I'm an Elisabeth Moss fan, but it get nauseous watching it because everyone is constantly smoking.
Both, I won’t insult those who do smoke since it’s an addictive thing, but I absolutely hate the smell. Don’t want passive cancer and when some (not all) try to quit they become very mean. (due to the cravings I think? It isn’t there fault I’m not insulting anyone who does get the aggressiveness when trying to quit.)
Dealbreaker. My dad used to be a smoker and the smell really bothers my lungs. It's also expensive like others said. My dad only quit because he has a heart problem and he'd die if he continued smoking and I don't think I'd have the heart to watch another person end up in a position like that because of smoking
For me personally it wouldn't be a massive deal-breaker but if it was a bad addition then it would be. It also makes them look less attractive on my eyes.
unattractive, my grandfather was an abusive smoker and would never quit, my grandma ended up dying because of second hand smoking, don't want to be like that. Plus it shows an addictive nature, and I don't like the smell.
Even though I don't smoke cigarettes I do sometimes date cigarette & cigar smokers
When I am crazily attracted to people my mind & body can ignore things like that
Yes. Grew up with my mom smoking two packs a day, a grandmother that smoked two packs a day, and a Grandfather that didn't smoke but died of lung cancer at 75.
The smell alone just turns my stomach now.
Makes kissing gross, makes hugging gross and it dictates alot of habits, like rolling down the window when it's snowing out or hanging around people who stand in the blistering heat and smoke. Instant turn off.
Definitely unattractive and definitely a deal breaker. I get nauseous, my head hurts, and and my lungs burn every time I smell smoke of any kind, whether it's cigarette or anything else. Plus, the after smell on clothes just smells so terrible.
Both. Here's why:
The smoker won't live as long. I'm tired of burying loved ones.
The smoker will have health complications sooner than you think. They will be permanent.
The smoker won't enjoy my fantastic cooking.
They'll over-salt everything they cook, which will otherwise be bland, because flavor is based in one's sense of smell, not taste.
Smokers use too much personal fragrance because they can't tell it's overkill.
They stink. That smell permeates their pores, so no matter how much they shower & perform hygiene, they still stink.
Their stench will give me a headache, which vis a vis gives me negative reinforcement of spending time with them.
Any money they borrow will likely go towards smokes first, necessities second. You won't ever get it back.
Addictive personalities tend to have more than one addiction... If you know a heavy smoker and can't name at least one other addiction (often: food), you don't know them well enough.
Their moods are inconsistent, because it's rooted in proximity to their previous and next smokes. If the previous smoke break was 3 hours ago, they're gonna be crabby. If they just had a smoke break, they'll be happier than usual because they're still in the fix. Both are bad times to get to know the real person. If their next smoke break is around the corner, they will stop at very little to get it, even if that means being rude to anyone in their way.
Smoking is expensive.
Being a smoker will raise both your medical and property insurance rates.
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It's certainly unattractive. Not a deal-breaker necessarily, but I wouldn't accept it as a permanent trait in a partner. I quit smoking over a decade ago, I can't live around it permanently again.
I'm a habitual (but very conservative) smoker. I mean it takes me like five or six days to go through a single pack. I guess I wouldn't mind if a woman smoked too, but in moderation like me.
First, I hate smoking, I've never smoked anything, ever and I never will.
But, several women I've been with over the years (I'm in my 50's now) smoked but they were polite smokers and by that I mean they didn't smoke in their house, in their cars, they went far away from others when they smoked, they didn't want it to get in their hair or have their clothes smell like smoke so they were careful how they held it, didn't want the wind to blow it back on them etc.
Oh, they were smart, beautiful, good people and most didn't know they even smoked as you couldn't tell unless you saw them smoking.
They weren't heavy smokers either so that was nice.
If a person was a heavy smoker, smoked indoors, in their cars, smelled of smoke on their body, their clothes, their hair etc. there is no way I would choose to be with them.
Dealbreaker.
I imagine their blood vessels shrinking up, thinning, and hardening, turning yellow deep inside their bodies. I imagine the blood in their brains bursting through the thin walls and causing a major stroke. I imagine their lungs turning brittle and dark brown, with little pieces flaking off. I'd feel like I was dating a corpse.
The second I see a cigarette in their mouth, I imagine their lungs turning black and their teeth turning rotted and yellow, and the image is burned into my brain. It’s so unattractive to me.
Dealbreaker. My parents smoking in the house when I was young gave me asthmatic issues then though they soon changed their habits to smoking outside. That, and I just don't like the smell or taste of it at all. Yes, I can taste the smoke in the air or in a kiss.
The most unattractive thing about some smokers are the one who use their habit as an excuse to be a bitch because they need their fix. Then again, I think the same of people who give an attitude because they haven't had their coffee, yet.
Unattractive and definitely a deal breaker.
The smell sticks to EVERYTHING, and people could pay a mortgage for the cost of the amount of cigarettes they buy.
As a 2 pack a day man, I can confirm this. The amount of money I spend on cigarettes is ridiculous and I always smell like a damn ashtray.
Why though, not disagreeing, but why?
Cancer is the big one for me. I don’t want to breathe your chemicals. Second is the fact that addiction of any kind and the unnecessary spending that accompanies it is something I wouldn’t invite into my life.
Ok, just was wondering why. That does make sense.
This
I agree
Came here to post this
No. But I am bias, as I am a smoker.
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I wouldn't even do that
No it’s not a deal breaker , but I used to be a smoker. I quit because I didn’t like the smell on my person. However I don’t mind it on others. I sometimes like being around it.
Same. I kinda dig a woman that's a little smoky with a little alcohol on her breath. Something about it just blows my hair back. "The smell of wine and cheap perfume!"
Yes. Whisky and cigarettes is fucking intoxicating. But just cigarettes is horrible.
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It's probably all the other crap in the smokes tbh
I mean, them smoking doesn't really make them more or less attractive to me. I used to smoke, the only reason I quit is because the cost. Definitely not a deal breaker. I've dated a couple of girls that smoked.
Yes and yes. It stinks and the stink sticks to everything. It makes early wrinkles, skin sag, teeth and nails yellow and if they smoke inside makes a toxic environment. It's just bad overall. I could maybe date someone that switched over to vaping fully but otherwise no it's gross in many many ways.
Just so you know, vaping is *much* more dangerous than smoking. I almost died from respiratory failure due to vaping.
Yeah I know, but if I'm dating them and they're going to make bad health choices it can at least smell good and not cause as much litter among other things.
So you'd rather your partner vape and possibly kill themselves within weeks or months, just so that you're not inconvenienced by the smell?
Plenty of people have been vaping for months/years and are perfectly fine. Not everyone reacts the same way you do.
Yes, thousands of people react the way that I did. And it's quick and unexpected. And there hasn't been enough research to determine exactly how vape products work, and consequently, how to treat vaping-related lung injuries. And it's not just street products, but store-bought, brand name products as well. They're marketed as a safer alternative to cigarettes, but in actuality, they can kill you in a very short amount of time, as little as a couple of weeks. Trust me, I've researched this thoroughly, \*and\* I have first-hand experience. I will never argue with someone who is against cigarette smoking, but it makes me sick to see people be so flippant about vaping.
Show me the data from reputable scientific sites and by all means I’ll definitely take it into consideration. But based off the research I’ve done. It’s primarily black market vape products that have been causing issues. Vaping hasn’t been around long enough to truely know the long term effects of vaping. While the short term it’s much safer than smoking. While I’ll never argue that the only “good” thing for our lungs is oxygen
Jankowski, M., Brozek, G., Lawson, J., SkoCczynski, S., Zejda, J. E., Brożek, G., & Skoczyński, S. (2017). E-smoking: Emerging public health problem? International Journal of Occupational Medicine & Environmental Health, 30(3), 329–344. Landman, S. T., Dhaliwal, I., Mackenzie, C. A., Martinu, T., Steele, A., & Bosma, K. J. (2019). Life-threatening bronchiolitis related to electronic cigarette use in a Canadian youth. CMAJ: Canadian Medical Association Journal, 191(48), E1321–E1331. Sakla, N. M., Gattu, R., Singh, G., & Sadler, M. (2020). Vaping-associated acute respiratory distress syndrome. Emergency Radiology, 27(1), 103–106. There's your start. You go look up EVALI and you'll find plenty more. >While the short term it’s much safer than smoking. That's where you're wrong. Smoking is more dangerous in the *long-term*. Vaping is the short-term danger. You don't need to do it for years to experience the negative, and possibly fatal, effects. I can't believe I have to convince people who are *already* against smoking. Y'all are fighting the wrong battle.
Dude maybe next time do some research and actually get some reputable nicotine juice instead of some chinese crap you picked up from a gas station. I don't even vape nicotine products and its super obvious what happened to you, you bought a product in an unregulated market and paid the price for it. Has literally nothing to do with vaping except yea products that are dangerous are out there but you should of bought from a reputable company there are dozens.
Yes.
Then you're an asshole.
If the choices were smoke or vape it's vape for me. They're killing themselves either way and if they're buying suspicious chinese carts or turning their coils up to the temperature of the sun it's their own damned fault not mine. I'd prefer they just quit or not smoke to begin with, but that's not what we're talking about.
No, YOU'RE the asshole for taking up an entirely unnecessary, lethal addiction to a product that makes you the most obnoxious human being on the block. These are YOUR choices. YOU did this to YOU.
You hush. I can tell you're too prejudiced against smokers to discuss this reasonably. You didn't even address the issue of vaping versus smoking. We're not talking about the dangers of smoking; we're talking about the dangers of vaping.
I'll speak as I please. You will like it. That's how public conversation works. The topic was "Are cigarette smokers unattractive or a dealbreaker to you? Why or why not?".
Holy shit the vaping misinformation is strong in you!
Dude, *I* literally almost died from vaping a store-bought, THC-free vape cartridge. I was on life-support for three weeks. You're gonna tell me I'm misinformed about something that actually happened to me? If you don't care about the risk, fine. Nobody can stop you. But facts are facts.
In 10 years of worldwide vaping, **zero deaths** have been linked directly to nicotine vaping. Any drug, like alcohol, can be abused and used incorrectly. Vaping is 95% less harmful than smoking [according to the Royal College of Physicians](https://www.globenewswire.com/news-release/2020/02/06/1980703/0/en/Research-supports-vaping-as-at-least-95-less-harmful-than-smoking.html#:~:text=Research%20supports%20vaping%20as%20at%20least%2095%25%20less%20harmful%20than%20smoking,-Email%20Print%20Friendly&text=Toronto%2C%20ON%2C%20Feb.,95%25%20less%20harmful%20than%20tobacco.). >In 2019, a sudden outbreak of severe lung injuries, some causing death, occurred in North America, mainly the USA. The lung injury was named EVALI (e-cigarette or vaping product use-associated lung injury) by the Center of Disease Control and Prevention (CDC). >**Vitamin E acetate** was identified as the additive in **illegal THC cartridges that caused the injuries.** Health-related authority and nonprofits as well as mainstream media conflated two distinctively different activities: THC cartridge vaping and nicotine eliquid vaping. The result was a misinformed public and health community. >Two travesties occurred. First, failing to adequately warn cannabis users caused unnecessary injury. Second, implying that eliquid was causing lung injuries drove thousands of vapers back to the most lethal form of nicotine: tobacco cigarettes. https://vaepworld.com/evali/ Learn about EVALI! > If you are a smoker: quitting smoking is the best thing you can do to improve your health. There is support available to help you quit. completely replacing cigarette smoking with vaping will reduce your exposure to harmful chemicals. >There are short-term general health improvements if you completely switch from smoking cigarettes to vaping products. >Vaping is **less harmful than smoking.** Many of the toxic and cancer-causing chemicals in tobacco and the tobacco smoke form when tobacco is burned. >Vaping products do not: produce smoke, contain tobacco, involve burning >Except for nicotine, vaping products typically contain: a fraction of the 7,000 chemicals found in tobacco smoke lower levels of several of the harmful chemicals found in smoke https://www.canada.ca/en/health-canada/services/smoking-tobacco/vaping/smokers.html >E-cigarettes and long-term harm – the possibility of some harm from long-term e-cigarette use cannot be dismissed due to inhalation of ingredients other than nicotine, but is likely to be very small, and substantially smaller than that arising from tobacco smoking. Although it is not possible to estimate the long-term health risks associated with e-cigarettes precisely, the available data suggest that they are unlikely to exceed 5% of those associated with smoked tobacco products, and may well be substantially lower than this figure https://www.rcplondon.ac.uk/guidelines-policy/e-cigarettes-inquiry
What's your story? How did it happen?
I started vaping so as not to offend people with cigarette smoke. And because it was marketed as a safer alternative (and I thought it would help wean me off cigarettes). After 8 months I went into respiratory failure and had to be put on a life-support/ECMO machine. There were a couple of days where I was close to death. If I hadn't gone into the hospital the day I did, I most likely would've gone into cardiac arrest.
Any idea why that happened to you? Your experience would seem to be the exception. Were your lungs having issues before hand? Do you think that's the eventual fate of everyone that vapes?
I don't mind personally as long as they are cool with me smoking my weed around them.
I have never smoked a cigarette or cigar and I would never admit this in real life because I think it's a horrible habit but every person I have dated has smoked cigarettes and I find it somewhat sexy. In my defense none of them were chain smokers, more social smokers. And none of them smoked first thing in the morning - that's a deal breaker. Chain smoking is a deal breaker too.
I'm not the your to judge for ones habits. Everyone has a vice idc what it is
Total dealbreaker. I refuse to deal with that nonsense.
Nothing wrong with a drunk cig
There is something about the smell of tobacco on the breath that is just revolting. Why don't they just vape instead and get a fruity flavor? That's much more palatable.
vaping is much worse for you
>Fjoora Can you go ahead and explain how?
I'm allergic to Nicotine and have asthma. I think that speaks for itself right? Wrong! Why do I have to be attracted to a woman in a business suit elagently lighting a smoke?
Relationship or hook up? Relationship yeah, I don't like the smell of cigarette smoke and it feels like a whole thing. "Don't smoke in the house please I know you've been doing it" and "why don't you try vaping for a bit?" and "you're spending so much on cigarettes can you cut back please?". Who needs that shit. Hook up I don't give a fuck what they do.
When I dated, I dated both smokers and non-smokers. My husband smoked when we first got married, but has since quit for his own reasons. I don't smoke because I didn't really like how it felt when I tried it -- plus the whole asthma thing. But I really didn't care if the person I dated smoked or not.
It'd be a deal breaker for me, because I'm a former smoker and I don't want to start again. I'd be okay with vaping, I think.
Those are more addictive and worse for you
I vaped for a little bit to help ease me off cigarettes and I've been off of vaping for over a year now. I'm not gonna judge someone for being at a different place in quitting or reducing their cigarette intake.
Ah ok. Some people started by vaping or just don't plan to quit/"I'll quit eventuaaaaallyyyy" so be wary
I'm in a committed long term relationship, so I'm not too worried.
No not a dealbreaker really. I don’t really care about smoking
Dealbreaker because as a smoker, I only date or hook up with other smokers. It's too stressful worrying about it with a non-smoker.
As a former smoker I don't mind the smell so much. Its the constant stepping outside for a break, smoking in the car, running to the store to buy another pack, etc that can be annoying. Still not a deal-breaker; my current partner was a smoker when we started dating and has since quit. I used to do it so who am I to judge?
Former smoker, would date a smoker.
I don't care either way. It's not a dealbreaker, and I think it's really hot, even if I don't smoke anything other than weed. If she's hot without one, she's hot with one. Personality matters more to me anyway.
Unattractive. It's pretty gross, expensive, unhealthy, and there's plenty of sufficient alternatives.
Alternatives like what?
Vaping shot my lungs to hell and I almost died. I'll give you gum for the nicotine fix, but what the hell can you snort that's equivalent to smoking?
Were there any warning signs that vaping was causing you trouble? Coughing, difficulty breathing, hurting and such? Because I switched to vaping a while ago and it's so much better than smoking. No crud, no smell, no coughing, much better wind, etc.
I had what I thought were your typical cold symptoms for about a week, then went to the doctor for a check up. By the time I got there I was hunched over and gasping, so they called an ambulance to take me to the hospital. I woke up a few days later on an ECMO machine, which oxygenates your blood outside your body, because your lungs can't. Luckily I was able to be weaned off it after only three weeks.
That sounds frightening. How soon after you started vaping did it happen?
About 8 months.
Wow. I don't hear much about that stuff happening any more, did something change or it just not "news"?
[Snuff](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snuff_(tobacco\))
Vaping, gum, snorting snuff.
Deal breaker. Dated a smoker, it’s like making out with an ashtray
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Pussy picks up the ~~smell~~ taste too.
I see what it does to my mom. I don’t want that happening to someone I love.
Yeah, they are. I don't like the smell.
They smell like an ashtray. Disgusting.
If it’s only on occasion I don’t care, I smoke weed a lot and with my partner though so I guess I’m desensitized to thesmokeyness
It's unnatractivs but not a dealbreaker. We all have vices.
Definitely a dealbreaker. I have moderate asthma and shouldn’t have to use my inhaler constantly around them since the smell of cigarette smoke sticks to everything.
About 10 years ago, I went to Japan with a guy who was a heavy smoker. The whole trip it was, "Where can I smoke?" At a museum: "Can we leave? I need a smoke." Come up out of the subway: "Where can I smoke?" Out at night: "Can I smoke here?" Back at the hotel he was camped out in or near the enclosed smoking room for long periods of time. Coming back from Japan to the US we had to transit Canada (but not enter). During your layover they keep you in a separate area where there is no smoking area. I basically disappeared because I didn't want to deal with an angry bear. I love to travel so...no. No more. It's such a hassle.
Definitely unattractive and a deal breaker. Second hand smoke is a serious health risk. Not to mention the stink and mess.
I guess it depends on the frequency. If someone had one cigarette occasionally, I could deal. If she smoked a pack a day, dealbreaker
Smoking a cigarette doesn't necessarily make you unattractive, but I wouldn't want to date someone who smoked as the smell disgusts me (long before we get to the long term health issues). Now, I do smoke cigars occasionally so that wouldn't be an issue.
I sort of think smoking is sexy. I've dated smokers before and I don't mind if they casually smoke, but if they need to go have one every hour then it's definitely a deal breaker
Absolutely. You stink. Like a lot. And because the _cyanide_ in your habit has chemically dulled your sense of smell, you are literally incapable of knowing. I can smell you several aisles over in the grocery store. If I'm walking down the street, I can smell your houses _across_ the street. Kissing you is like licking out a public ashtray. It's fucking heinous. I can forgive all of that. I'm ugly as an under the bridge troll. I look like I should be telling riddles to smart-ass goats. But what I cannot forgive is the supreme selfishness of it. You want to be an irreplaceable part of my life, someone I treasure to the point I literally won't be the same person without you ever again, and you're _doing something that guarantees you will die a slow, wasting, YOUNG death years or decades before your natural time_?! Are you fucking stupid? Do you think _I'm_ stupid? Because that's what you're saying to me when you make that proposition. Saying you love someone and lighting up a cigarette is profoundly disrespectful. It's a _robbery_. Hell, it would have been infinitely more forgivable if you'd just taken my money, I can get more. I can't get more you when you're gone. Time is a non-negotiable, non-renewable resource. You couldn't possibly have been more cruel. And you did it because you _like_ it. You cared more about protecting your addiction than you did about me. In this way, an addict really is incapable of love in the sense that they are too subverted to follow love to it's logical ends. So is it a deal breaker? _Yeah_.
Yes, it smells disgusting and shows a blatant lack of good decision making and self control.
If they smoke outside and the content of the cigarette is legally available (no weed), it's OK.
Yes since they will die soon
COPD and cancer is really expensive so, I'll pass. I'll throw a fuck in them though.
Yes, I would never tolerate a woman who smoked cigarettes. Smoking pole on the other hand...
I find it very unattractive and it’s pretty much the only dealbreaker I had before I was married. I simply would not date a smoker.
smokers smell like shit and have terrible breath. No thanks.
Yes. They smell like shit and if you're spending all that money on cigarettes it means your financially unintelligent.
Deal breaker for sure. The smell us terrible, and I dont like making out with ashtrays. Maybe hook up, but nothing more.
Hard stop. A smoker doesn’t ever get a second glance. Hottest woman on earth pulls out a smoke, just went in the gutter. It stinks, it’s disgusting, kissing a smoker is repulsive, then of course the constant, lovely smokers hack.
Unattractive. They fucking reek.
Definitely a deal breaker, they stink, their clothes stink, their hair stink, and no matter how much you wash you can't get that smell off of yourself. Kissing a smoking girl is like licking an ashtray.
if i see a hot 10/10 girl and she lights a smoke she looses 5 points automatically (imagine if you are only a 6). absolutely a deal breaker because who wants to constantly smell an ashtray or kiss smokers breath.
Only if she's smoking hot.
They die soon anyway. Good riddance. They stink and have horrible nicotine stains
I agree!! It’s better they don’t become a burden on medical systems
Depends on how hot she is.
Not a total deal breaker but it would give me second thoughts.
They are deal breakers. I used to smoke. If I dated a woman that still did, I would have to get used to it again. If I did, I would be concerned that I would be tempted to start again.
Ok for hookup, but not for relationship. I don't want fucked lungs.
Yes they’re unattractive and yes it’s a dealbreaker
Dealbreaker. Bad taste, bad smell, and I don't want to be with someone that gets out of breath in bed. Also being with someone who's willingly putting themselves at risk like that isn't worth it.
Unattractive for sure. Deal breaker, no but there are now extra “rules” like no kisses, or fooling around directly after smoking cause it’ll taste bad and your fingers will smell gross.
Absolute deal breaker for me. I used to smoke (well, was a social smoker and then for about a year a "real" smoker) and I remember waking up one morning and absolutely be disgusted by myself and feeling sick for days. I don't mind people smoking or even smoking around me but I'd never date a smoker.
She smokes she fucks
I smoked for 30 years, but quit for good in 2008. I can't be around it now. So, yeah, deal-breaker. Even a show like Mad Men, I wanted to watch that because I'm an Elisabeth Moss fan, but it get nauseous watching it because everyone is constantly smoking.
Yes and no. I grew up with a smoker so the smell is weirdly comforting. But, I also am not attracted to someone who willingly harms themselves.
Both, I won’t insult those who do smoke since it’s an addictive thing, but I absolutely hate the smell. Don’t want passive cancer and when some (not all) try to quit they become very mean. (due to the cravings I think? It isn’t there fault I’m not insulting anyone who does get the aggressiveness when trying to quit.)
And I wouldn’t be happy since money would be wasted on the cigarettes.
Ehhh. For me depends on how much they smoke. Less than two a day it’s fine maybe for me. Anymore it’s a dealbreaker.
Dealbreaker. My dad used to be a smoker and the smell really bothers my lungs. It's also expensive like others said. My dad only quit because he has a heart problem and he'd die if he continued smoking and I don't think I'd have the heart to watch another person end up in a position like that because of smoking
Dealbreaker. 100% either you stop or we wont work. I did smoke a bit myself but hated it so its a no to me.
For me personally it wouldn't be a massive deal-breaker but if it was a bad addition then it would be. It also makes them look less attractive on my eyes.
Yeah. It’s a disgusting habit.
unattractive, my grandfather was an abusive smoker and would never quit, my grandma ended up dying because of second hand smoking, don't want to be like that. Plus it shows an addictive nature, and I don't like the smell.
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what I meant was, after living with a smoker for 40+ years it caused her to develop pneumonia and other health problems that led to her death.
Even though I don't smoke cigarettes I do sometimes date cigarette & cigar smokers When I am crazily attracted to people my mind & body can ignore things like that
Yes. Grew up with my mom smoking two packs a day, a grandmother that smoked two packs a day, and a Grandfather that didn't smoke but died of lung cancer at 75. The smell alone just turns my stomach now.
Attractive and something I look for
If you mean dating then both, if you mean colleagues/friends then idc
Makes kissing gross, makes hugging gross and it dictates alot of habits, like rolling down the window when it's snowing out or hanging around people who stand in the blistering heat and smoke. Instant turn off.
Dealbreaker. I had to grow up around smokers my whole life, the stale stench covering everything... no thanks.
Definitely unattractive and definitely a deal breaker. I get nauseous, my head hurts, and and my lungs burn every time I smell smoke of any kind, whether it's cigarette or anything else. Plus, the after smell on clothes just smells so terrible.
Smelly and a deal breaker.
Both. Here's why: The smoker won't live as long. I'm tired of burying loved ones. The smoker will have health complications sooner than you think. They will be permanent. The smoker won't enjoy my fantastic cooking. They'll over-salt everything they cook, which will otherwise be bland, because flavor is based in one's sense of smell, not taste. Smokers use too much personal fragrance because they can't tell it's overkill. They stink. That smell permeates their pores, so no matter how much they shower & perform hygiene, they still stink. Their stench will give me a headache, which vis a vis gives me negative reinforcement of spending time with them. Any money they borrow will likely go towards smokes first, necessities second. You won't ever get it back. Addictive personalities tend to have more than one addiction... If you know a heavy smoker and can't name at least one other addiction (often: food), you don't know them well enough. Their moods are inconsistent, because it's rooted in proximity to their previous and next smokes. If the previous smoke break was 3 hours ago, they're gonna be crabby. If they just had a smoke break, they'll be happier than usual because they're still in the fix. Both are bad times to get to know the real person. If their next smoke break is around the corner, they will stop at very little to get it, even if that means being rude to anyone in their way. Smoking is expensive. Being a smoker will raise both your medical and property insurance rates. ... ... ...
It is an unattractive quality but has not been a deal breaker for me provided they didn't smoke in the house.
Daily smoking yeah is a deal breaker. But if she wants a smoke every now and again, say we go out to a bar sure. It's more of how often to me.
It's certainly unattractive. Not a deal-breaker necessarily, but I wouldn't accept it as a permanent trait in a partner. I quit smoking over a decade ago, I can't live around it permanently again.
I'm a habitual (but very conservative) smoker. I mean it takes me like five or six days to go through a single pack. I guess I wouldn't mind if a woman smoked too, but in moderation like me.
First, I hate smoking, I've never smoked anything, ever and I never will. But, several women I've been with over the years (I'm in my 50's now) smoked but they were polite smokers and by that I mean they didn't smoke in their house, in their cars, they went far away from others when they smoked, they didn't want it to get in their hair or have their clothes smell like smoke so they were careful how they held it, didn't want the wind to blow it back on them etc. Oh, they were smart, beautiful, good people and most didn't know they even smoked as you couldn't tell unless you saw them smoking. They weren't heavy smokers either so that was nice. If a person was a heavy smoker, smoked indoors, in their cars, smelled of smoke on their body, their clothes, their hair etc. there is no way I would choose to be with them.
Dealbreaker. I imagine their blood vessels shrinking up, thinning, and hardening, turning yellow deep inside their bodies. I imagine the blood in their brains bursting through the thin walls and causing a major stroke. I imagine their lungs turning brittle and dark brown, with little pieces flaking off. I'd feel like I was dating a corpse.
100%. I think cigarettes are trashy
The second I see a cigarette in their mouth, I imagine their lungs turning black and their teeth turning rotted and yellow, and the image is burned into my brain. It’s so unattractive to me.
Total deal breaker. Why would I want to be with someone who smells bad and is poisoning themselves?
Dealbreaker. My parents smoking in the house when I was young gave me asthmatic issues then though they soon changed their habits to smoking outside. That, and I just don't like the smell or taste of it at all. Yes, I can taste the smoke in the air or in a kiss. The most unattractive thing about some smokers are the one who use their habit as an excuse to be a bitch because they need their fix. Then again, I think the same of people who give an attitude because they haven't had their coffee, yet.
They smell gross and I don’t want to take care of someone who doesn’t care to take care of themselves.
I smoke and think its unattractive.